The Hack SHIMANO Doesn't WANT YOU TO SEE! (Drop Bar CUES...NOW?!)

Will Shimano Cues work with Microshift Brifters?
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[@newoldsteel]

Yes folks underestimate how LONG garage videos/experiments can take and I seriously appreciate you doing this!!

[@jacobatherton8339]

Microshift brifter paired with a CUES rd. Now that's Creating a Unique Experience!

[@agunlogisteam]

Sramano: CUEM! Finally, a worthy opponent! 😂

[@pault1289]

Really appreciate you testing things like this, most of us wouldn't have the time or resources. It just shows that there are solutions to tricky issues if you think creativity and are prepared to be a little unconventional. Thanks!!

[@yilmanbabilonia]

Thank you for all the effort you put into doing this videos. You are appreciated

[@jeffandersen6233]

Your channel is unique in the amount of thought, research and hands on work. Not withstanding the information provided too. Im working on an older Trek experimenting with subcompact cranks and bar ends with 105 derailleurs. It is time consuming setting everything up . I applaud all your hard work and diligence.

[@Krakonospivo]

We should officially call this combo "Shword". Btw it also appears that you don't need Linkglide cassette to run CUES. Interesting.

[@RikvanHuik]

The cog spacing is different between HG and CUES. This combo of Sword + CUES would most likely not work with a 10 speed CUES (Linkglide) cassette, because those have the same (narrower) cog spacing as 11 speed CUES except with one fewer cog.

[@bendekker6552]

@@RikvanHuik Even HG 10 speed and HG 11 speed are very similar spacing. I think @LockedIn did a video interchanging them with no complaints.

[@Pellagrah]

Everyone laughed at Sean Connery until they realized he was dropping sick nicknames for hybrid groupsets.

[@RikvanHuik]

@@bendekker6552 interesting, I didn't expect that. Good to know.

[@primitiveairraid]

@@Pellagrah Haha! I thought the same thing when I read the "Shword" suggestion. "I'll take 'shword' for $100 Alex."

[@deek9043]

Thank you for continuing to answer the compatibility questions and trying things out 👏

[@jamesgodfrey8678]

Thanks, Russ. Seems like a lot of work for this video. We appreciate it, as these kinds of tests shed a lot of light on our options in the component world. THANKS!

[@cxvelasco1]

Casually whips out Top Shelf handlebar.. please review!

[@cyanginpedro]

Thanks Russ, we appreciate it

[@Crankaholic]

Oh man, this is great news. Thank you for experimenting!

[@BackcountryRenegade]

Good stuff. I just fit the 10-45 on my 2x on my GRX 12 speed, with a clutch. will be making a vid about it eventually

[@Kukibajker]

I'm using MIcroshift brifters R8 with Shimano Claris rear Derailour on my 2002 Cannondale F3000SL CAAD5 based gravel bike. It's 1x 8 setup with Sunrace 11-40 cassete, 40T NW front chainring, KMC 9 speed chain (yes, on old setups thinner chain shifts better - like 10 sp. chain on 9 sp. cassete , etc.). And the left brifter's shifter actuator is used to actuate my Tmars 27,2mm dropper seatpost. It rides like a dream. TRP HYRd brakes helps to.

[@app6336]

Nice setup! 🤌Really like it. You inspired me to use my old Campy Xenox and build something like you did.

[@LA8OKA]

A while ago, you mentioned the Shimano Acera M3020-8 derailleur, I bought one and the CS-HG400-8 11-40T cassette, with my old 48-38-28 crankset I now have a bike with 623% gear range! I am currently using the original trigger shifters, but this should also work with Shimano 8 speed dropbar brifters. You should try it!

[@RikvanHuik]

That's a good one! And those Claris brifters are really cheap and quite nice!

[@xzcion]

I've used that one some old 2x and 3x bikes that I was replacing the worm out cassette with a larger range one. Really good range. And derailleur. It does not have the clutch that the grx, sword or cues derailleurs have.

[@bendekker6552]

I bought 1 of those derailleurs too after Russ reviewed it. I have it set up with 44-26 chainrings and an old 5 speed wide range freewheel 14-38t. Friction shifting and it works great.

[@app6336]

​@@RikvanHuik The 2nd gen Claris brifters are way better than the old ones. And quite budget friendly. 👍

[@rsrnsrwds]

Great stuff, Russ!! Love it!

[@richardgitz2264]

You are a beast! Thank you for your hard work, fearless!

[@DracoPacheco]

For friction shifting with a CUES rear derailleur, I had good results with a JTEK 6 Shiftmate. The CUES rear derailleur is something like 1.05 so that shiftmate works well with friction shifters that can pull 10 or 11spd ~ 1.4ish

[@antoniocruz8083]

One must respect the work taken to explore the different options. How boring life would be without taking the efford to satisfy one's curiosity. Imagine just accepting the setups sold out there when many don't even satisfy the job they advertise. I'm taking about today's 1x system for gravel bikes that are meant to be used on pavement and off-road but come with limited range, which Russ had to adapt with a 2x. With this last adaptation and his bike is closer to the perfect gravel bike. Hope this shifter doesn't need constant adjustment since it seems more practical for roller-coaster terrain.

[@christiansoleta7556]

I applaud the courage to hack your main whip for our benefit

[@j.k.b9247]

Must admid, that the microshift front and rear derailleur look pretty similiar to the 11speed shimano grx/cues etc derailleurs, so they probably copied a lot, which is why they work so well together. Quite nice to see more brands being compatible with shimano stuff, although shimano isn't that expensive anymore if your buying used gear!

[@davidross8233]

Love this content even though I don’t ride drop bars. I’m doing a build right now with an Uno shifter and XT Linkglide 1x. Wish me luck.

[@escgoogle3865]

I love how you are just tinkering and testing with the gift box of products not reading a product sheet and fake gushing. I hope GROWTAC sends you their brifters for an episode. I'm still looking for a left brifter to replace my vintage 3x ergos. Mmm 11 clicks of trimming goodness.

[@echobanda9412]

I have on my ghost grappler microshift sword shifters 2×10, front derailleur grx 400, rear derailleur Shimano RD M9100 XTR 11/12speed with 10 speed cassette 11-48 and it working very good.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

That sounds like a cool combo.

[@timogross8191]

Used to screw the front axle of quick release front wheel into the hanger to check alignment. 🙂 It worked for threaded front wheel axles.

[@erics9214]

As I'm sure we've all experienced, shifting and shifting well and reliably are two different things. I've often had derailleurs shift reasonably well on the stand and then jump and skip gears when you ride under load. It will be interesting to see what Russ finds in his road testing. Personally I wouldn't want to ride and rely on this kind of kludgy setup.

[@ARandomATube]

To me the real magic is going to be getting that LinkGlide cassette working. I don't see this CUES rear derailleur working with drop bar being so groundbreaking. We already have a plethora of similar RDs, but so far I'm not aware of anyone being able to shift the LG cassette with drop bars. Having that LG durability for a commuter bike would be a game changer

[@kongnadian886]

Yes. I am putting an LG 11 speed on my commuter as well. And unable to find a road shifter that is compatible for me to do the drop bar conversion. The bike has hydraulic discs, it feels weird to have a road hydraulic brake lever but not using it to shift.

[@app6336]

So far only friction shifters will do. Old non-indexing brifters from Shimano, Sachs or Campy can be a solution. For commuting they should be o.k.🤔

[@slavikslavik681]

I have a similar combo AdventX 1by shifters, 4100 Deore 10 speed cassette, Shimano 5100 rd and ZTTO 10 speed chain, 42 tooth chainring. And... in general, the work is good, but not too great. The main problems are dropping the chain on the three largest sprockets, as well as choosing the chain length for this combination. I had to put a slightly longer chain and instead of the lower pulley with 13 teeth, a pulley with 14 teeth to compensate for the slack of the chain, but be able to unscrew the b-screw as much as possible. And with this combination, everything worked quite well, only the release of the chain from the largest chain sprocket was slightly slower, but not critical. There is no overdrop, as there was with a shorter chain.

[@kibbee890]

Russ is on indexed shifting now. What is this world coming to.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I'm testing it for The People. We all have to make sacrifices sometimes.

[@viktor1511]

Hey I just want to make sure I understand everything correctly. index shifting is the common shifting with one click is one shift up or down in other words index shifting is the not-friction-shifting - shifting (?)

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

@@viktor1511 yes

[@jaybe6188]

a video on that derailleur hanger alignment tool would be nice. never seen this before :)

[@paulmcgee8226]

Dude the GRX 810 derailleur is the beast! Yea!!! I use it with Microshift Centos 11 brifters- Campy copycats. Shifting is perfect every time. I beat the crap out of my bike on NJ mtb trails. No issues.

[@whirving]

For me I just can't rely on my shift adjustments on the stand. They have to be ridden to be correct. I love your Cave of Bad Ideas, its such a good idea.

[@BuckleyJonathan-nr1wu]

One of my bikes mixes Shimano RX100, STX, Microshift, LTWoo, Tiagra and Sora. I love a mix and match. 😄

[@pavelg4990]

Great video, Russ! To add to the GRX 810 RD being Shiminano' finest for the 2x11 system (40 tooth stated capacity), for anyone with running 2x10 or on more of a budget --- RD-RX400 is also great and has a 41 tooth stated capacity, which in reality is 47 t easily. I'm running a 46/30 x 11-42 10 speed with no issues.

[@lastfm4477]

RD-RX400 works great with all of Shimano's road 11 speed shifters as well. Remember as long as the cable pull ratio is the same, the number of speeds is determined by only the shifter.

[@pavelg4990]

@@lastfm4477 good point, thank you!

[@chris1275cc]

There are so many "hacks" like this with Shimano combined with the Chinese/Taiwanese stuff. Like the 12 speed Lt-Woo mechanical (cable and Hydro) road levers actually have the same pull ratio (identical not just close) as Shimano 11 speed road/gravel and 10s GRX, so you can take the 12s Lt-Woo levers and combine them with pre Di2 11s 105, Ultegra, DA, and GRX to get 12 speed mechanical rim or disc.

[@dtolios]

Which is probably more useful of a hack cause the $ is in the Hydraulic briefters & stoppers for off roading...but to each their own needs

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I honestly have no interest in the Ali products and will leave that to Trace Velo and Chinacycling.

[@chris1275cc]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Yeah I get it, especially you not being a big fan of the hydro stuff, as with LT-Woo that was when there was a noticeable jump in quality/design. I will say, though, if you haven't been on there in a while, the general quality of the stuff on Ali' has dramatically improved over the last 2-3 years, and now with the "choice" thing they do you can get things in days not months.

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Yet you tested microshift, which is basically the same stuff.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

@wtfiswiththosehandles basically the same stuff except you don't have to go through Ali and its actually speced OEM on bikes of legitimate brands and they have US based customer service so if something goes wrong you have people you can contact. So basically the same I guess.

[@barnicutica3208]

Congratulations! You just discovered the hot water! 😁All derailors are quasi the same. So the only mandatory compatibility is shifter-cassette!

[@anotheryoutuber_]

the bscrew can create a difference in slack, its not its main objective but itll help tune tension in some situations.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Maxed it out and not enough. Also downshifts suffered.

[@slavikslavik681]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Try installing the lower pulley 1-2 teeth larger than stock.

[@HeartPumper]

Aaaand the prices of Microshift & CUES went crazy...thank you Russ :P

[@ajsds66]

What is the biggest cassette the Cues derailleur can handle, and, are the shifters compatible with cantilever brakes? Great video by the way.

[@sotecluxan4221]

Incredible, cannot sleep.

[@theunderbiker7]

Russ! What is your setback seatpost? Who makes it? Appreciate the info in your vids, just awesome. I ride a 2021 Kona Rove Ltd and it’s both comfortable AND tricky to fit. I have the seat slammed too far back rn. Thanks

[@subliminalfreedom]

Thanks!

[@colbysmith2539]

As usual, doing all the things that bike tinkerers want to know! Bike 'bad ideas' legend!!!!!

[@steve101968]

Ive had a feel of the sword brifter and i was suitably impressed. Felt simmiliar to a 10 speed 105 brifter and kind of felt

[@djjohnnymusic]

Here's another for you - MICROShift Advent X cassette and shifter (10spd) with Deore 11spd derailleur. Better clutch and less movement in the derailleur, plus lighter cassette than Shimano (although the MS do wear out quicker)

[@nickporter3531]

I run the 810 2x with an 11/42 XT cassette mated to a 42/26 with a campy 10 speed Veloce FD. I use the Dia Compe wong shifters and they work perfectly with 11 speed. Just can’t get hold of the Uno shifter in UK at the moment

[@HaveFunBikes]

yeah, that is a nice bonus knowledge! Also, you did'nt bump up the RD on the stop lip of the hanger! That's why the chain was loose. Ask me how I know this!

[@dotjade9775]

Super cool to see this confirmed for real. Advent 9 speed is also meant to be totally compatible with advent x and sword (same pull ratio) has big capacity and rear tooth max and comes in clutch and non-clutch versions. In theory should index fine with advent x and sword shifters and 10 speed cassette ?

[@Chungleas]

IIRC Dynasis is 1.16:1(ish) ratio, that claimed 1.13 for cues is pretty (suspiciously?) similar. Close enough to make most Shimano MTB mechs (which I'm sure lots of us have in a spares box) combined with a sword lever a viable option, certainly for 1x10 drop-bar setups...

[@rafailloparev2070]

Deore M5120 and m5130 even have clutch like Cues U8020!

[@ArgyPaktitis]

Looks like you have mounted the cues derailleur in the wrong position . The mount is down ward instead of backward therefore the additional slack

[@andyzacek9760]

No, it’s mounted correctly. The GRX has a “shadow link” or shimano’s extra derailleur hanger, the cues mounts directly to the hanger without the extra link

[@andyzacek9760]

Oh wait sorry I didn’t watch the rest of the video! You right 😅

[@levestane6383]

I’m using a similar gearing with 44-34-24 triple (Ritchey Logic) and CUES 11-43 10-speed. This is just about the limit for an RD-M953 friction shift.

[@markjmaxwell9819]

I am sure Shimano will bring out the CUES compatible drop bar shifters at some stage. But it is always nice to have options so the compatibility of the Microshift brifters is a bonus. 😎🇦🇺👍

[@graemetunbridge1738]

I think that all we really need to know if the index pull length of the shifter vs the gap between sprockets at the cassette x gain of the derailleur.

[@KindGottes92]

Does a cues cassette have the same spacing? So would it work with a linkglide cassette as well, since this here semes ti be a hyperglyde cassette?

[@sAmiZZle82]

Thats one heck of a derailleur angle to get those large sprockets!

[@racer-vl5cj]

Russ, maybe try a 26 tooth chainring and see if that solves your loose chain? Keep up the great work and enjoy the wine in Spain.

[@DaddyLongLegzzz]

Or even try tightening the b limit screw a bunch

[@flavortownexperience7433]

Sensah gra10 also works with sword as well with the same wonky pull ratio. 80 bucks for the pair is a steal

[@erhan6095]

The watercolors at behind you is look beautiful.

[@ajmwhiteside]

Of course it works, it's only the cassette cog spacing that is different, or is that cues also?...

[@p49N]

Would love to know the crank/bb spindle length to understand the chain line. The 'near' match with indexed shifters can 'mysteriously' go off a few hundred miles in - and wear tolerances are often equally un-accountable. Overall, completely love this regular segment.

[@KNURKonesur]

Would love a comparison between the Sword and the old Ltwoo GR7 setup, both 1x10, but the Ltwoo is much cheaper than the Microshift. Is it worth paying triple? Or is Ltwoo just and underrated gem?

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Cues Vs Xt derailleur what is the difference the cage looks the same just like the GRX.

[@Ondrej84]

Nice hack. Does it mean that also dynasys shifters with Cues rear derailleur should shift (somewhat acceptably) on a HG cassette? 🤔

[@BrentZahradnik]

Sword is dope. Wish i had a reason to buy one.

[@better.better]

having it work in the stand is one thing but it doesn't always work when you're actually riding it and the system is under load. I remember I once bought a shifter that was claimed to be compatible with my cassette, and in the stand it went up and down just fine, but on the road somewhere in the middle of the cassette the indexing didn't quite match. no matter what I tried it would favor either the gear above or the gear below. if I got off the bike and flipped it over, it would go up and down seamlessly. at the time I didn't have the money to take it to the bike shop for a simple shifting issue that only affected one gear in the middle of the range, so I just learned to live with it. it wasn't until I took it in to replace the cassette (I didn't have a chain whip and cassette removal tool yet then) the mechanic told me it was compatible with SRAM, not Shimano.

[@peppermintpig974]

Whoever claims "not supposed to work" should realize that pull ratios and cog pitch numbers can be used to evaluate compatibility, so the question boils down to: Is it a perfect match? Is it off by some percentage but not enough to be an issue for the totality of the cassette shifting range?

[@Niknamew]

Hey Russ, I really appreciate the video! Would you be able to do a video on testing Sword with a Dynasys derailleur? Or testing it with something like the current 10/11 speed Deore line-up, like the m5120?

[@rafailloparev2070]

M5120 RD + Cues Linkglide 11-43T cassette!

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

1x or 2x?

[@Niknamew]

@@PathLessPedaledTV I was thinking mostly 1x, but heck, I'd love to see it 2x worked too

[@rafailloparev2070]

@@PathLessPedaledTV M5120 is both 1x and 2x compatible.

[@p49N]

One more thing. Cable-derai-chainO-lattee is under greater tension as you go up, so housing system stiffness matters.

[@petergibson7287]

Tell us about that handlebar, Rusty!!

[@_MattyG_]

Need a cave of bad ideas frame only, with a silent hub! Would make the viewing a bit better the hub noise drives me loco!

[@gregoryhoover7471]

Cues Version B will be for Drop Bars....Drop Bar B Cues

[@derek75116]

In this video didn’t see adjustments for taking up chain slack ! (Upper g screw) Might have been able to take out chain slack, (possibly)

[@bingham8624]

Slx 12 speed will run 10 and 11 speed. Go up to a 51 tooth cassette. Picked 2 up for $36 a pop. 10 speed gravel bike I run a 48 and 11 speed mtb I run a 51. Works like a charm.

[@ChilkoNZ]

What shifters do you use on the gravel bike?

[@Cycling_Brian]

An OT question: I currently run Silver 2 shifters with a 2 X 9 wide low setup. Is there any benefit to going with the Uno shifter for the rear?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Only necessary with newer generation of rear derailleurs. 11spd and up.

[@EveryTongue]

Russ is a menace ❤😂

[@northman77]

I did a lot of hack back then. Single plate xt 780 in the front in 2013. 32 cassette with an ultegra 6800 short. Etc. Everything I did back then wasnt suppose to work.

[@antonijankowski3379]

Are you running that GRX with a roadlink to increase the max sprocket, or is it just a regular derailleur hanger?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

No roadlink needed.

[@antonijankowski3379]

@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks! By the way, you really helped with your rd-m3020 review, now have it on my bike, rocking an 11-40 cassette with 46/30 in front and sora shifters :) Love your experiments and bike hacking!

[@MrVwcrowe]

Possibly a silly question. When using the friction shifter, can you not run the cables under the bar tape? Thinking of possibly using friction shift on a future bike build. Thanks. Really enjoy ya'lls content!

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Yes. But you need tandem length shift cables for the rear cable. Standard road cables are too short.

[@mmmolchan]

You can totally run it under the tape to the headtube area. Been doing it for years with regular shifting cables.

[@Kappreh]

Stupid question : this is only if we're going for a 2 x 11? This is not applicable if we're just going for a 1 x 11?

[@OszoNegro]

I used to run a r5800 rd and the m5100 cog (11-36) with a 50/34 (r7000) weirdly enough with some fine tuning it shifts fine ish

[@lastfm4477]

Why is that weird? 5800 & R7000 are 100% cross compatible. I've used Tiagra 4700 10sp shifters, with 6800-SS RD, 44x33T, and 12-36T cassette with no problems. (36T is definitely the max teeth for this setup.

[@Kevin-tl4zw]

sorry if I wasn't paying attention or anything but will the Sword shifters work with older Shimano RDs? Dynasys, non clutch ones? 9 and 10speeds in particular

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

10spd dynasis for sure.

[@kipcc3918]

Oh, Try to take out the chain slop with the B Tension screw, If it’s not enough, Switch it with a longer bolt. 😅

[@lastfm4477]

But shifting often suffers at that point.

[@rogeriocosta1035]

Nice video! Thx! The only think people need is a brifter that can run a Deore 11s rear derailleur. We are waiting for this for so many years. Insted, Microshift is trying do do they own proprietary stuff and it is too expensive for a company with no history. I would save my money to buy a GRX hydraulic set. I don't like Shimano having 4 different non compatible systems at the moment but we know their stuff works for years and years.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Microshift uses the same cable pull as Dynasis 10speed. You can use a Deore dynasis rear derailleur with a Sword or Advent X brifter.

[@rogeriocosta1035]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks! So I think is a viable option if you already have the Dynasys RD at home and do not care/need hydraulic brakes.

[@Temporalplace]

Are there any microshift 11speed shifters that will work with that cues derailleur ?

[@wrcompositi]

As yet, no. I'm looking forward to the next generation of microShift road shifters, which will probably share the features of Sword.

[@andycdgreen]

I have a mint pair of ST-6600 Ultegra 10 speed shifters, does anyone know the cable pull ratio for these and whether I could use them with the Cues derailleur system?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Likely won't work with CUES.

[@wrcompositi]

I've measured some Shimano 10s road shifters including ST-6600, and they pull 22.5mm of cable across all gears. Therefore the ratio is 3.95(cassette spacing) ÷ (22.5 ÷ 9) = 1.58 CUES derailleur has 1.05 ratio (same as other Shimano 10~12 speed mountain derailleurs), so they don't match unless you use converters such as Wolftooth Tanpan or Jtek shiftmate. That said, if you don't plan to use cassettes larger than 40T, than all the Shimano 8~9 speed mountain derailleurs can work with ST-6600. My favorites are shadow RD such as RD-M592/662/772, the longest SGS cage can accommodate up to 47T capacity, which is very useful for 3x10 setting with 11-36T cassette. Incidentally, RD-R3000 & RD-R2000 are essentially derived from old mountain derailleurs (1.58 ratio), they can take 40T cassettes and their 94.5mm GS cages are only slightly shorter than 100mm mountain SGS, so the total capacity is very generous for such a "road" derailleur.

[@reubenwarburton8949]

Next to try a LinkGlide cassette with this setup

[@rafailloparev2070]

Cues Linkglide 11-43T!

[@spectre9801]

Great discovery. I put a Rivendell friction shifter on my LHT. Seemed to be shifting great but noticed it would skip up or down a gear when I stood up on the pedals. Running it 9 spd with 9 spd chain……..thoughts

[@claudemarie9136]

Having the same issue, then, Old Anorak, here, are we still supposed to stand on our crank anymore (isn’t modern cycling about spinning as fast as you possibly can, honestly Dunno 🤷‍♀️?). Apparently, you’ll have to check, a *true* 9 speed chain should be 11/128, many, supposedly 9 speed chains, and sold as such, would be 3/32 ? Worth noting, that I experience these chain jumps, when cranking Watts, only when on the first small cogs, no chain jumps when on the last 5 larger cogs on a 11-32 cassette.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Blue loctite on the screw. Also depends on what derailleur you're using.

[@spectre9801]

@@PathLessPedaledTV I believe it’s a Shimano deore xt came stock with the bike

[@orangevw36]

Sometimes… sometimes… when you put a load on the bike (riding it) it may not shift as well. I’ve never tried this combo, so I’m not saying anything about this experiment. I’ve had that issue at our shop more than once. Shifted great on the stand, but not during a ride.

[@honzikck82]

Would the GRX deraileur work with Ultegra shifters? Both 11 speed.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Yes

[@mymemeplex]

Isn't is a thing anymore these days to avoid big+big and small+small combo's? (started in the 90's with 105 3x9, only just now got 2x10 grx)

[@mythical7thgear]

Cues cassette has 11 speed spacing tho, so a 10 speed cues wouldn't work. I like that the cues cassette will extend the chain life so using a cues RD without the cassette is kind of not worth it. I am using a cues 10 speed 11-39 in friction.

[@jayar6695]

How about the compatibility of U4000(cues 9s) rd to R3000( sora) STI? Is it possible that they can be compatible together?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

No

[@edwardsjohnpaul]

Is there a particular reason to use an 11-speed chain? Could you run a 10-speed chain? Does 11-speed work better? Just curious.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I’ve found 11spd works across mixed drivetrains that use 9,10 and 11spd parts. Also I don’t want to buy multiple speed chains and want as much interchangeability between bikes.

[@al-du6lb]

wait, so doesn't this mean that cues derailer should work with the 105 or ultegra shifters? or am I getting confused and mean GRX shifters?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

No. 105 and Ultegra have different pull ratio.

[@davidthornley4375]

Essa replaces 8 speed. Cues is 9-11 speed. There is a road amalgamation coming, likely cally something else

[@mechanicaldavid4827]

But Russ - you didn't use the CUES setup tool! (white plastic derailleur guide)

[@nascarisawesome5018]

Park tool DAG-3 is one of the best tools I've ever bought. Truly underrated, definitely worth the price.

[@bengt_axle]

Shimano should just address the elephant in the room and make a CUES electric which handles everything from 9-13 speed (with changes to the jockey wheels and interchangeable cages) and has a battery permanently fixed to the derailleur or connects to one in the handlebar or seatpost. It should be wired with a recharge port in the bar end (USB 3) with batteries optionally stored in the bar. Some Asian companies are starting to produce this and it could be the low budget model which works with cable operated (rim and disk) brakes. This could be used on e-bikes as well and it would eliminate a lot of other products.

[@realalbertan]

Wheeltop has this already

[@monty2078]

Looks like a lot of chain slap and potential fro chain drop.

[@killjoy4298]

B screw will fix the slack problem

[@keithadler965]

So many gear choices these days using a combination of components. Shimano seems to have less compatibility issues the Sram. Not much mixing and matching like you do with new Sram.