Specs WRONG?!? John Deere 1025R & Attachment Weights

[@ritterjon]

💥 This video really tipped the scales. It will weigh on my mind for a long time. *Keep on tractoring!*

[@jamiemacleod6463]

It would interest me to see what a full bucket of stone or dirt adds to weight. How it compares to what you have on the rear. I think this kind if stuff is cool as well. Great video!

[@PastorDavidFranklin]

Great info. Tim as usual. As a Trooper (former career/ret.) I saw so many folk playing dangerous games with load limits on trailers and insufficient towing vehicle capacity. Sadly, for some it did not end very well! However, I thought the "X" on Johnny X would have made him the clear winner in the weight class category. LOL!

[@roybrochu5409]

The best comment you brought up here, was how much does it weigh when you put it on a trailer to tow. The majority of people these days unfortunately don’t consider that. Thanks again Tim. Oh, the best tractor in wet or spring conditions is the Ventrac.

[@StikkySS]

But wait - some guy on Facebook said it's perfectly okay to tow his 1025R on his 3500# axle trailer. Something doesn't add up. 🤔 Nice work with the real world numbers Tim, always insightful.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Something like “handles it great!” Right!? All is wonderful until he has an accident…then the lawyers will have a heyday!

[@tracksoneverything4085]

The weight matters most to me when I need to put my 1025r on my pontoon barge to float it to my property. Your results were definitely heavier than I expected. Good to know, currently have a 4500lbs capacity but I think I'll be looking for a middle pontoon to add to the barge for a little extra "just to be safe capacity" Great video as aways.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Cool story! Yea, don’t think I would want to be overloaded in that scenario!

[@tracksoneverything4085]

Yeah I really don't want to turn the 1025 into the world's most expensive anchor lol

[@phild9813]

We need to see a video of this process, sounds interesting!

[@tracksoneverything4085]

@@phild9813 I was thinking I should record and post it. Guessing not that many tractors are floating across that many lakes out there.

[@jasoncooperpcola]

This is really helpful for me. The majority of us tow a trailer with 2 3500lb axles. My trailer weighs 1800lbs. So I know I have a 5200lb load capacity. Makes me feel alot more confident now knowing my normal configuration is around 3500lbs.

[@briankeller2284]

Tim I have 200lbs of rim guard in my radials on my 2021 1025 r. I agree with you 100 percent. Mowing with the rim guard is a bit heavier than my last 2018 1025 r.that did not have it. But the extra ballast helps make the tractor a whole lot safer on hills.

[@tonyjohnson1659]

I added dual rear wheels and tires filled with fluid love the tractor. Very stable now 4 tires full of fluid weights close to 400 pounds in the rear tires.

[@bartonmd]

Yeah, I was surprised when the "4900lbs shipping weight" 5320 somehow ended up making an 18' 10k trailer weight 12k, with the loader, wheel weights, and stump grinder. That was about 2k more than I thought it was going to be. We were still under all the axle weights because of a WD hitch setup and 20% tongue weight, but it was definitely surprising!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yep. Now get it muddy all over! Surprising how much weight they can carry in mud!

[@MessicksEquip]

I think it's actually pretty typical for the spec sheets to be on the light side. I've always heard them describe the shipping weights, not operating weights. The interesting thing here would be to check out the "heavy" brands and see how the numbers compare. Do we see the typical overstating of capability?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Interesting question!

[@farming4g]

It'd be great for some future videos to weigh some tractors at your lot... vary some new holland series, kubotas, and such, heck even a combine. Be interesting to see what numbers come up. Makes me wonder how much my tractor actually weigh...

[@jdinnis]

Really appreciate these videos. I'd also love to see you put the 2038R on the scales too. I was adding up what I though my tractor SHOULD weigh but seeing your real world numbers is a great help.

[@chrismichels4616]

Yes, it’s too heavy to mow my yard. That’s why I kept my JD X320 and didn’t get a mower deck for my 1025R. My yard is just natural forest landscaping so it is extra soft and I mostly need to mow during the rainy season when it is wet.

[@wickedcoyote271]

I'd guess the loader mounts are the main contributor to the weight difference over the spec weight. Its always interesting how fast the weight adds up, and how easy it is to get beyond the tow capacity of your vehicle, or carry capacity of your trailer. Thanks for taking the time and showing some different combinations. It takes more time to change configurations, but I swap my rimgaurd wheels off and change to as light a mowing configuration as I can, then pile on the weight for loader and snow work..

[@Will-tm5bj]

This is why I'm glad I started my john deere journey with a zero turn. It weighs 975lbs and leaves a mark, I can't imagine using one of these

[@Morpheen999]

@@Will-tm5bj Commercial diesel zero turns weigh 1850lbs so when you compare it to something similar, its not that much heavier

[@Will-tm5bj]

@@Morpheen999 well I don't have one so I'm not comparing them

[@Will-tm5bj]

@@Morpheen999 1800lbs is a lot lighter than 3000 though no matter how you look at it

[@Morpheen999]

@@Will-tm5bj Your only at 2000lbs with just a mower on the tractor

[@ericlaker1983]

Ok 2500 lbs on your new one. I been looking at tires on trailer for a while thinking i just wonder. Uuhhhh i added box blade tiller and the tires look like they are screaming a little now i know why!!! Very useful info! Thank you Tim

[@TractorTimewithTim]

No, 3500 or so in full operating configuration. Keep watching.

[@HalDIY]

So much for that 3500 lb tow vehicle I was considering for once or twice a year towing. Even with aluminum trailer it won't haul much over the base tractor. Way cheaper to pay-the-man if it needs to move which also eliminates having to remember all the details for loading and tying it down.

[@johndeere2038r]

Well guys , when you showed me the scales on your last video and I asked in the comments if you wouldn't mind weighing up the 1025r. Thank you guys so much for doing this , I was looking sooooo forward to seeing this and knowing roughly what my tractor weighs now ! Thanks again guys as I truly appreciate you both ! God Bless !

[@Korahandherdad]

Wow! Opened my eyes after seeing this! Thanks Tim!

[@wildandliving]

Well my truck us 4000lb towing I found 1 trailer that worked a stronghaul 24ft trailer all other ones were 200lbs over the towing capacity or 300lbs under payload capacity

[@michaelparker5814]

My koiti is a full size compact and it weighs 4000 pounds without the loader it mowes just fine I cut about 4.5 acres in the mowing season weekly once u add all the accessories like brush cutter or pallet forks when you tow it it's gets heavy fast

[@richardroffers2530]

Tim...another very useful video on the 1025R. Nothing beats actual measurements. Much appreciated.

[@williamcoffman7149]

this did interest me as ive been thinking on getting a trailer for my tractor....thanks for sharing about the weight differences per 1025r tractor.

[@Cfox2000]

Thanks so much for the video and clarification on the 1025r Tim !

[@JelenOutDoors]

Very good information. With regards to towing, too many people only consider the axle rating. You also need to consider the hub and rim, plus and especially the tire ratings to truly understand your trailers max weight capacity, and there are other components that could be considered like tire pressure, springs, coils etc. Anyway great video .... you got people thinking ... Looking forward to more testing.

[@unclealansyard5176]

As a landscaper, I would think the both weight of the wheel weights and rin guard wouldn't be a issue if the ground is good and dry.... but I would prefer one or the other in rim guard or wheel weights.

[@johnhunter273]

Awesome information. Glad too see the differences!

[@HydrosPlus]

Shipping weight of HydrosPlus is 18lbs, but only about 10 is incremental when installed since the pump is being replaced. I wonder how much that seat plastic weighs on the new one. Did you account for that? ;)

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Ha!

[@mnewstadt1]

Think you were still a bit under the weather when you intro'd the scales.. good to see you are feeling better..

[@HuserHelpers]

You forgot about that 175 lbs sitting in the seat Tim 😉. For my yard, mowing the first 2 months is always a muddy experience, so I try to stay light, but that is why I have the old G1800 and don't mow with the BX.

[@Kcolby47]

Good job on nailing down weight stuff. It seems to be elusive for most folks, and you have a great setup with the scales. It is important info for sure. Blessings.

[@garytimms2951]

Ah very good thank you good channel I needed those that information I got a 2019 1025 rtlb with the standard loader very good information

[@Lanninglongarmmowing]

You could also take the tractors to a CAT certified scale for a super accurate reading.

[@bryce099]

Thank you for doing the math! Looks like I'm keeping the 4.6 v8 after all. Don't think the maverick could do it

[@4-LOW]

I sort of ran into this. Calculated my New Holland Workmaster 40 all wrong. With the loader, land plane, and fluid in the rears it's closer to 5,000 lbs. and I was WAY too low when I estimated. First time I loaded it into my enclosed trailer the rear ramp door started creaking and popping! Oops!! Ramp door was only rated 4,500 lbs. I had to reinforce the door for loading.

[@harmab2]

Thank you Tim, as always, very interesting 👍 😀

[@timraber6575]

Very interesting. The gains made by the modifications does not out way the the small additional use of the tractor. The additional use of the hydraulics just make you want to buy more attachments.

[@ryanouellette7187]

Usually the manual spec weights are dry. Oil\fuel\hydraulic omitted.. I believe.

[@larrypoeschel6871]

Awesome video, you give us so much good information. Things we all really need to know. Thanks Larry

[@andysworld2188]

Tim they don't count the weight of the tires for the tractor because there are at least 3 different tires to choose from. That's why kubota doesn't count weight of bucket with front end loader cuz there are different choices available. And by the way for comparison my BH77 back hoe for my Kubota B2650 specs around 900lbs and the sub-frame was 125 lb i believe but it might have been 100 lb. And the bucket is 29 lb for 10 inch up to 47 lb for 24 inch..

[@vincentpira]

Great to have to actual real world numbers. Thanks for the video Tim and Christy.

[@cantbuyrespect]

thanks for doing this video. it really helps put a actual weight to a configuration on the 1025r. it would be cool to do it with the 2038 you have as well as i have had a hard time finding any actual weights

[@berlinjackson1847]

Great information. Thanks Tim

[@davidsmith-ri3fi]

Excellent video Mr Tim . I like hiw when i think you missed something all of a sudden you mention it ... lol .. Guess i need to keep watching so maybe some day i can say "Ahaa" you missed something ... lol ... You guyz have a blessed day ... ttyl ... oh .. remember im still sporting a 21 Mahindra 1626 shuttle ..

[@projectswithjw]

The rear axle capacity is 1576 lbs and front axle capacity is 1351 lbs. It seems like tractor/loader/backhoe/operator would be over capacity before any load is applied to it ! 🤔

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I have asked Deere about this. No response yet.

[@bdp3502]

Hello Tim! With your new scales one thing id like to see you test would be is the Artillian grapple as light as advertised?

[@bwlyon]

I second Jamie Macleod’s comment. It would be interesting to see how a full bucket of dirt or rock effects the balance and overall weight of the machine front to back with and without the heavy hitch ballast on the rear. I think a lot of eyes would be opened to how important ballast really is to the safe operation of the tractor when moving material around in the loader bucket.

[@mikegraziano1562]

It would be neat to see how having a full load of dirt in the bucket changes the weight of each tire, doing the weighing with both ballast and with out it. I think most folks don't realize how much more weight the front tires have to hold up when they don't have enough rear ballast. I'm also curious about the side to side weight...should more weight be put on one side over the other?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Tomorrow morning 7:15 EST

[@Justin-1025R]

That was really some great information!!

[@billhartman8002]

I have a Mauser cab? I got rimgaurd then 2 add weights, a buddy got me heavy hitch with 8 42lb. I will get you pics of my unit

[@jpl8290]

Nice video Tim, I hope you have plans to weigh the 2038r soon. I have been working to try and determine an accurate weight for tractor and trying to find out if it will be safe to tow with my GMC Sierra 1500.

[@Morpheen999]

Idk what year your truck is but the newer trucks with the tow package are good for 11'000lbs

[@jpl8290]

@@Morpheen999 2018 with tow package. 5.7

[@RCPSU4]

I'd think you should be good for towing it. There's probably a calculation to double or triple check.

[@robertbunch8362]

I have a 2002 S-10 Chevy, 4WD, extended cab with the 4.3 engine. It's rated at 6500lbs towing. It did not have the factory tow package, but I installed a frame-mount hitch. My 16ft trailer weighs 1800lbs, with two 3500lb axles, so that gives me a 4700lb load limit due to the trucks towing limits. I also carry about 200lbs of straps, chains and other equipment in the bed. So, I figure I am good for another 1000lbs besides my 1025r on the trailer. I usually carry just one other implement besides the backhoe and loader being mounted on the tractor. I'm sure your 1500 is better suited than my S-10! It's also good to have both trailer axles with brakes. A lot of them only come with one axle brakes.

[@BrickyardPowerMan]

The scales are nice to ascertain weight in various configurations.

[@mikekowal4944]

Thanks Tim.... I always wondered what it really was...its even more with me on the 1025r🙄

[@WichhartAcres]

Great info Tim! Thanks for posting!

[@sinclairpages]

You talk about tractor weight. Can a Ford F-150 1/2 ton safely haul it? At what point is a tractor to much for your existing truck to haul. This make a lot of difference on what implements someone may want to add to their tractor.

[@seansysig]

I care about knowing the weight to size the proper trailer and ballast for the loader. I'm looking at the 1025R and already have decided on a 10k lb rated trailer with a 3/4 ton 4wd truck with 5th wheel hitch.

[@cantbuyrespect]

i tow mine with a 7k trailer and a tacoma 4.0. it does fine. thats overkill for a 1025r unless you plan on upgrading oneday.

[@suburbancowboy9]

Tim thanks for this detail it’s super helpful in planning! Another question for you related to real world specs (apologies if you covered this in another video) what’s the length of the tractor in the configuration you start the video with (loader and quick hitch)? Thinking about trailers but also finding a spot in the garage. Thanks again!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

You need 16’ trailer to be comfortable.

[@ericvortecmax]

I wonder what my 3025e weighs with the grapple and box blade on. I also have filled rear tires. I’m guessing 4200

[@Matt10Lawrence]

I remove as much weight as possible for mowing. I like my stripes, so the wheels run in the same tracks almost every time. The less weight the better. If I was going around in random circles or different every time, I think it would be a non-issue for dry ground.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Do stripes at different angles for each mowing.

[@BG-vq9fd]

How many people are overloading their trailer? MY enclosed tandem trailer is 7000 GVWR. Trailer weigh's 2550 pounds therefore my GCWR is 4450 pounds. I have always assumed my 2025R is all my trailer wants. Trailer was ordered with up graded tires but that does not change GVWR. I like the scales. Have you done anything to confirm accuracy?

[@mgeren]

Could you please do the same with the 2038r? Curious to see the backhoe weight as that spec is hard to find.

[@jmoore2781]

I like this too! You’re a true engineer...

[@patrickmchugh4894]

Great video!!! Have u ever thought about the wheel spacers??

[@simpleman4196]

Tim I have a question for you. Farm tractors if they are 4WD should weigh around 130lbs per PTO hp to be properly weighted and get all the power to the ground. Should we try to do this with smaller tractors as well if we use them for loader work and pulling a plow and other tillage work?

[@Token_Civilian]

TTWT: You allude to the point I'm going to make, but don't address it directly, when you state that generally the heaviest tractor with low weights is best for traction and tip resistance. Center of gravity. Getting the center of gravity (CG) right, does wonders for stability, be that a tractor, cars, trucks and SUVs, ships or aircraft. It would appear that your scale set up can give you individual wheel weights. It would be easy to calculate the fore / aft CG of the tractor relative to the axles from those individual wheel scale weights. Then knowing the weight of material in the front bucket (density of crushed rock, or bark, or whatever in terms of lbs / yard - easy to find tables on line), one can easily estimate what the stability margin might be (e.g. once the relative weight on the front axles exceeds some threshold relative to the back, then it gets tippy). Vertical CG can also be deduced from scale readings, but that is a lot more involved as the vehicle needs to be pitched up to a non-level condition (intuitively, you probably get this, as you know that if you drive straight up a steep slope, you need to worry about popping a wheelie as the weight shifts onto the back wheels if you're pitched nose up too steep - this is the same principal for determining vertical CG from axle weights and pitching). I happen to work with aircraft as a weight and balance engineer, 25 years in the business. The professional society, Society of Allied Weights Engineers (SAWE) covers the 3 main branches for the profession - aerospace, maritime (don't want to capsize after all) and land vehicles.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Tune in this Sunday morning, 7:15am EST for a first stab at this. If you are serious and would be willing to help put together some formulas to help calculate this stuff, please contact me at tractoruniverse.com

[@Token_Civilian]

@@TractorTimewithTim Will do. My e-mail address has my YT screen name as part of it - so it'll be easy for you to pick out. Prob will be tonight or tomorrow, once I can find the time.

[@ww3ok]

Very interesting comparison. BTW, I love my 5ElevenDesignZ grill guard.

[@stevenmcintosh3303]

Great video. I wonder if in a future video you might be able to put a load in the bucket or on forks and use your scales to see how having weight on the 3pt or not will change the weight recorded at each axle. I think we all believe that following JD's recommendation for rear weight would take some of the pressure off the front axle, but I think you could actually prove that out with your scales. I find it all very interesting.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

First attempt at this Sunday 7:15 EST

[@tfunkhou88]

What’s interesting to me is according to John Deere the 1025R has a front axle that is rated at 1349lb and a rear axle that is rated at 1576lb. Which adds up to 2925lbs. Which…and correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not THAT bad at math…is less than the basic operating weight you’ve shown. 🤔 Why does Deere put axles on the tractor that are rated for less weight than what they say to use for ballast and the tractor is capable of lifting?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Right. I have reached out to Deere with some questions on the axle ratings. So far no response. Perhaps we are mis-interpreting the numbers somehow? Would be nice if they explained how they rate them.

[@tfunkhou88]

@@TractorTimewithTim so, I may have gotten some insight into it. I downloaded the owner’s manual and in the specs section for axle weight ratings it says “Maximum (continuous)”, which leads me to think the axle rating is for how heavy you can make the tractor and keep it that way. Then when picking up loads and stuff you can go over. How much over? Dunno 😂

[@deanfrancis6474]

I mowe with 203r 2019 yr. With 60d deck no rimguard. I would not want to go any heavier

[@PoisonShot20]

How much is the 54" deck added to the total? My tractor doesn't have any wheel weights. 250 lb for the mower deck? I want to buy a trailer to move it to what ever, maybe to the beach and play with it, like I used to when I was little, using the plastic toy tractor. Well, it's way bigger, just with some plastic still!😂

[@user-mw4ef7eb9b]

Tim, nice video. I would like to see a video on the weight of the LX3310. Any chance you can make a video on the Kubota in the near future?

[@phild9813]

I need to get mine on the trailer and up to the scales! The intrigue is killing me!

[@grumpyvetoutdoors9387]

any chance you could do this on a 3e series? specifically a 3038e? need a trailer and checking load weight

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Get at least a 10k GVWR trailer for your 3e.

[@bob2973]

Tim , now lets do the 2038R and the BX3310...... :-)

[@bradleymcclintock7771]

Very interesting Tim thanks for sharing that. I watch your videos and it makes me want to start adding stuff to my 1025R no end to the money a man can spend on them. I really want to upgrade my hydraulics I use the loader all the time for snow cleanup around the place and it is way too slow 🐌. Again thanks for the videos. Brad from Northern New Hampshire.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The 9.5 hydrosplus is a nice add on.

[@jerrykolb3017]

what dose the 2038r weigh with the loader and whit out

[@darryltognarelli6769]

Remember all the chain tie downs need to be included with weight

[@MJF40]

You forgot to add the Cheeseburger smuggler ;-) This is certainly interesting. My 2020 2025r has a few little add ons, Heavy hitch rear hitch under the transmission and I left the stock plate, HH front hitch, loaded tires, JD 3rd function. I’m wondering what that weighs now. When I got my 60D I got the 2021 version and opted for R3 Bias wheels and tires to lighten up for mowing. R3 radials are loaded. I got a 10,000 pound enclosed car hauler. But I’m wondering load it up just how close it is to that with attachments in. 😛

[@charlesrose7212]

Very helpful. Thanks! 😀

[@birddog79]

Just curious but did you only add fluid to the rear tires or all four?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Just the rears.

[@LoganWillmert]

Have you seen the ballast calculator spreadsheet that was (at one time, but I think no longer) available from John Deere and was circulated on the usual tractor forums? I have a copy saved to my computer (I can't currently find a working link online), and while it doesn't have the 1025r, with the weight recordings you just took, and a little bit of time in the spreadsheet, you might be able to add a new sheet that covers the 1025r (and possibly your other tractors). It might be a great help to the community overall.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Have not seen. Can you post to tractor universe?

[@mattphillips4260]

outside of deere and kubota what other brands would be good to look at i been eying the RK line at rural king but not sure about parts for them just not sure who else to look at watching your channel feel i have a good idea about deere and kubota

[@psychosk8er]

I love mowing with my 1025r

[@alantrott6581]

Do the manufacturer's spec weights have any value at all?

[@raymondheinrichjr.2902]

So a 3500 lb single axle trailer should be safe with loader on.?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

not likely. remember to count the weight of the trailer in the GVWR.

[@projectswithjw]

I have a 7k dual axle trailer that can handle a 1025 TLB. It came with ramps rated for 1500 lbs.😑

[@ProjectsWithPat]

Tim. It would be nice to know the weight ratios front to rear with all the ballast in the back. You know how much weight is on the rear tires with an empty bucket then load the bucket up with gravel and weigh again, people might be surprised to see the weight will be less on the rear tires with more weight on the tractor (in the loader bucket). Maybe so the same with no rear ballast. Just trying to give others a numerical number to show WHY they need ballast. Your scales don’t have to be able to read out all 4 corners individually. Just replace the front scales with 2x4 wood so the level is correct.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Next episode dives into this.

[@rgd2598]

Thanks for the video!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Your other two comments after this one were deleted automatically for some reason. Can you try again?

[@williemaykit7940]

I'm going to need a new trailer if I get one of these!

[@cashxx]

Wish they would get rid of the aluminum transmissions on these subcompacts. Make it heavier and better. Can't see saving weight there is a good thing.

[@davidsmith-ri3fi]

Oh i forgot ... i like that chain box on the i-match ..

[@dave.lawrence.3894]

You are right with the weight...

[@JCWren]

On the 3500lb configuration at the end, what's the weight distribution between the front and rear tires?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We’ll go into that next episode.

[@JCWren]

Heh heh. Yeah, weight AND balance :)

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Sunday 7:15am EST

[@mikeshuler577]

How much weight will your 1025r backhoe pick up ??

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Dunno.

[@georgelee7259]

How much does the kubota weigh

[@macdawg6403]

Love the Vid !

[@warped2875]

You forgot to subtract the weight of the mildew inducing "protective" plastic wrapping on the seat! =O)

[@hudsonvaganis7855]

Can you weight johnny 5 I would like to see how much that weights I have a 5420 open station I tow on my goose neck that's rated for 10k I would like to see how close if not over the 5075e is.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

It is HEAVY! I’ll weigh sometime.

[@timheyboer4786]

I have a guess about what my kubota weight is, but now you have me wondering.

[@tombarnes1871]

A Good discussion about various tractor weights…The Bible verse is very true!!

[@willsinger2945]

Weights only a little more +500lbs than my 1445 front mount mower with similar sized tires I doubt anyone is leaving ruts