Trad wives aren't particularly trad.

[@KarimMurza]

Some people act as if humanity began in nineteenth century

[@Butlins14]

Some people act as if picking nuts and berrys is some sort of own when it's not

[@gingerj4440]

I’m actively hopeful I’ll be able to take a whole class taught by Macken someday in my lifetime.

[@murphymacken]

@@gingerj4440 link in bio:)

[@gingerj4440]

@@murphymacken Oh, this is fantastic thank you!

[@Butlins14]

I'm actively hopeful I'll be able to watch jeudeo feminists and cucks like macken eat nothing but nuts and berrys and have access to no male inventions like running water and electricity whilst I sit back with the world's largest bucket of popcorn

[@theukeconomist6518]

In the modern world, the majority of couples are working class, and therefore both have to work. Only a tiny percentage of relationships exist where the husband is the sole provider due to high income.

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

Idk if that’s true lol . I’m pretty sure proportionally the majority of married couples are middle class , however in absolute numbers I’m not sure. If we’re talking about everyday couples I don’t really see the point including under like 23 or 25 if we want to talk about economics. Women don’t like dating working class man , as a working class man, please don’t gaslight me.

[@theukeconomist6518]

@bobbybilly-xn4ch If your hypothesis was correct, schools would be closing down at a high rate within the working class communities due to women not coupling with working class men. Also, do you really believe every man you see outside with a partner is earning a high income, this is simply not a realistic assumption. For example, most of my working class friends are married and have girlfriends. How would you explain this?

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

@@theukeconomist6518 I didn’t say every , what? Maybe it’s something I should investigate more because this is an empirical question that can be answered quite reliably through study. No point making a conclusion based on anecdotal experience really for something like this. There’s lots of reasons women enter relationships with men and socioeconomic status is only one of them , although one of the most important ones.

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

@@theukeconomist6518 also it’s funny how everyone assumes when I say woman care about money that means that woman only wanna date men who make more money than them if a woman dates a man across herself in her income bracket and you never see her date below income bracket or she very seldom has there’s probably a good chance she does care about money. She just doesn’t care to go gold dig. There’s a distinction there both care about money if women didn’t care about money at all then the relationships they have would be totally random and they would be no trends based on income. Of course I can make some speculations of personality. Correlations looks correlations to someone’s income even if the reason women don’t get into a relationships with men is the money itself is the correlations that the money has but still if I’m going to occams razor, I’m gonna say women care about money. Like Mac said the data says woman care about money but they don’t care about it as much as they report they do nor as most people perceive they do but they do still care and they care enough for it to have an effect … the predictive percentage of that effect ? I’m not sure but if I had to wager it’s significant

[@studabakerb]

Thank you for this darling! Love your work.👌

[@WilliamRP263]

In Hunter Gatherers men emphasise parenting in boys after 7. Same age when spartan Agoge started, or european noblemen introduce warfare to their sons.

[@johnrogstad1278]

It's fair to say that most genuinely traditional societies featured men and women who worked in and around the home with more interaction with family and children while working, correct? So at least the contemporary "trad wife" trend gets it partly right in promoting women spending more time at home. But maybe a more complete picture would involve men not doing 40+ hours a week at some distant office that the kids never see...

[@Butlins14]

Who needs the space age when you can have women picking nuts and berrys so we can live in the stone age 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

The women providing 75% of calories commonly in hunter gathering tribes is an important fact for us involved in the man and woman conversations. Forgot about that one for a min

[@wolong2232]

>in hunter gathering "tribes" (plural) sigh...please work on your reading comprehension. it varies from group to group

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

@wolong2232 I'm.aware of this, clown

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

@@wolong2232 I realize that , what’s your issue lol?

[@EriPages]

I don't buy it. Fruits, gardening, maybe breads I don't believe can equate to a whole deer being brought in by the man Only problem with deer or a cow or a bison or whatever is that they'd be forced creative ways to store the meat for weeks or months

[@bobbybilly-xn4ch]

@EriPages what about nuts and seeds though and grains

[@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose]

I'm not supporting the tradwife îdeology because it's a conservative utopia but must say: Finally, a great criticism about tradwives, which is NOT misogynistic. Thanks for your wonderful work❣️😊🙏

[@shaunathornton8032]

Thank you for this

[@ST-rj8iu]

Things don't just happen in a vacuum. People acting like things happen to them not because of them.

[@Butlins14]

You will be telling us cheddar man was black next

[@Butlins14]

Yeah let's go back to the stone age what a great idea

[@atrckr-bf7de]

Are the duties that a trad wife does not considered economicaly productive? Cooking, cleaning, transportation, time spend parenting/no need for day care etc

[@atrckr-bf7de]

It just seems like a trad wife is just a variant of the dual income thing rather than being a entirely separate thing

[@towritemichelle210]

*social media

[@s.severn]

I agree that a stay at home wife/husband/mom/dad is also benifitting society/the economy even if they arent working in the conventional sense. I think the main idea of this video is about specifically roles of caregiver vs. provider. The role of provider now is much different to hunter+gatherer times as it used to be about acquiring resources from the land (through hunting or gathering, naturally) whereas in todays world earning money is like the equivalent of acquiring resources necessary for survival (not including the few people who have their own garden/farm they are able to get a significant amount of their food from)

[@anonanon7553]

weird that it's not compensated with money....

[@atrckr-bf7de]

wife's have a say if not outright manage the financials, making less money doesn't mean you have less like rich kid making the same as poor kid but obviously the rich kid has more resources.

[@delaramrafiee]

i don't like trad wife movement but women throughout history did domestic things even as jobs they cleaned and cooked and nursed or they sold their own craft and they did their household dmestic duties things womens roles was not so economically worthy but just because it is not getting paid doesn't mean women don't contribute making women work and also keep their traditional work is putting extra pressure on weaker sex

[@jffryh]

Population of people in the 1950s was a lot greater than the population of people in the paleolithic, wasn't it

[@Butlins14]

Maybe picking nuts and berrys isn't very advanced after all and you need men to advance from the stone age to the space age who'd of thought it

[@jffryh]

​@Butlins14 just be sure to stay within the bounds of sustainability

[@WhoopaDoopaYay]

Do you have an idea as to why women were in the past paid less for the same labor as men?

[@8lec_R]

Misogyny and capitalism

[@SebastianDalhed]

In the past? That’s still true to this day. It’s only decreased a little over the years, but women are still generally paid less for the same amount of work as men.

[@spero360]

Reparations cause Eve fucked us up duhhhh

[@mannyobi6171]

Which type of gender wage gap are you referring to? In both kinds, women are paid less than men, yes, but there's a significant difference between the two types of gaps that indicate different things that need to be solved at a societal level

[@PRASANTHTHOMAS-hx3nh]

Because they did the work that are less dangerous and physically exhausting

[@offBeatRock777]

Trad never meant millions of years ago. What is this guy talking about lol

[@s.severn]

When people use the term "trad" or traditional in the context of the "trad wife" or "traditional family" they are 99% of the time referring to this specific nuclear family type dynamic popular around 20th century. When people (especially those who view that family structure as superior) talk about it they speak with the implication or just flat out saying that it is the "natural" way a family is supposed to be. They talk about it like that is what nature intended or something. Macken is just showing that that view is based on a very small portion of human history so its a false ideology that its "in our nature"

[@Butlins14]

​@@s.severnnature got us out of the stone age and into the space age by having male and female roles. Citation required for the big male conspiracy against women that toppled them from power one day and locked them in the kitchen it never happened

[@lucasgust7720]

In reality, it is irrelevant whether the traditional family model is an old or recent fad. The question is whether it is better than the modern way of life, and it certainly is.

[@dahliaherrod4301]

What do you consider the modern way of life?

[@luigigotbigtiddies9869]

Definitely not, especially for women, have you ever opened a history book?

[@rotskep]

then it should be called a modern family model

[@lucasgust7720]

@@rotskep No, because it's not the most recent model.

[@lucasgust7720]

@@sailingbunny2589 Not just for me. According to Pew 50% of men are not interested in having any kind of relationship with women, not even casual sex. And women want don't value men anymore. In Tinder women like the 5 % of men and men like the 60 % of women. There are less marriages and more divorces than ever before. And people is having less children. We are going to become extinct if we continue as we are in the modern era.