Traditional Chinese Boxing - context is SUPER important!

[@EliteBlackSash]

In the west, the phrase, “Chinese Boxing,” is actually the root of the problem. People take that literally. People will argue you down that KungFu has no wrestling, almost with disdain. And I talk to A LOT of people. Practitioners have tried for so long to tie every single application into a series of strikes. Even if it’s spinning around and swinging your arms over your head - they will argue you down that it’s turning around and blocking a downward attack from behind. Anything but admitting it’s a throw, and their Sifu just did not pass down proper context to them. I was the same. But, It was my uncle, who trained Shuaijiao as well as a brother from Taiwan who had his sifu explain one of the most popular Long Fist forms step by step and how it was all Wrestling techniques.. they broke me out of it. They enabled me to see and breakdown art, context and system

[@the.wandering.warrior]

yea trying to fit Chinese Boxing into the Western concept of Boxing as opposed to say Boxing as it was before all the rules, or say Thai boxing, has been a big problem... doesn't help with the craze in western Boxing and kickboxing in the 1900s... still the truth rears its brutal head, and I'm glad that you too embrace the truth - there's a fair bit of wrestling movement with the striking in Chinese boxing

[@YTPrule]

This really. A monumental buttload of especially Northern Chinese styles are so connected or incorporating wrestling that they can't be separated.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@YTPrule a monumental buttload indeed

[@azlaroc12]

Right now, this is one of the most important martial arts videos on You Tube. Thank you.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

I appreciate the kind words, please share with your friends in the martial arts

[@Fierydice]

So much of my mother art opened up and made sense only after i crosstrained. Forcing the bridging of arms, i learned to do this to stop boxers from going ham. Throw a backfist and frame off their guard. Now you have one free arm and they have none. The defense? Jab the backfist, aka long guard. Now you have chosen to bridge the arms rather than be smothered. Bridging the arms makes sense as a position, just not as a starting position!

[@danbolinder2282]

This is a conversation that needs to happen more often 👌

[@PomboPierre]

Just as interesting as I thought it would be. This is what we need to bring up more often.

[@bizikimiz6003]

Martial arts geek like Jesse Enkamp! You are in good company with this.

[@afreespirit5444]

Yes context matters even if it's not Chinese martial arts. Japanese jitsu turned into "do" to have emphasis on character development (also no longer needing to kill/maim people). then people started saying why the katas are silly or this doesn't work in empty hand sparring, not keeping in mind that original context passed thru several changes to a different context. I think aikido is a great example. It came from aiki-jitsu which dealt with people might be drawing knives and swords or you might hold a weapon yourself and be grabbed, then people wonder why aikido which prefers standing elbow control, wrist manipulation , doesn't work in empty hand mma.

[@mangarulz2]

bravo! I love all your points! I truly feel your passion for the art and I love that you mentioned all the things that were frustrating me with my TMA teachers :(

[@the.wandering.warrior]

hopefully my journey can make yours smoother then!

[@Donatellangelo]

Exactly! Especially about what you said with Baguazhang, that one is basically a meta.

[@tonytomahawk5160]

Excellent video. One thing I always found annoying is folks forget the pinnacle of martial arts is it's use on the battlefield. Cqc and hand to hand combat is used to this day and and none use MMA of BJJ. 40+ years so I know this isn't debatable. Yet the loudest critics of traditional martial arts are the mma and bjj crowd. My only experience with Chinese martial arts was a brief time with Grandmaster Tsai and Shuai jiao. Interesting fact is my instructor was giving closed door training to instructors of other styles. That's how I figured out that a large portion of kung fu was grappling.

[@psychoshonen]

Love the subtle shout out to Donn Draeger at the beginning!

[@bumpdat01]

Thank you for saying you’re a Hoplologist!!!!

[@the.wandering.warrior]

an underused term for sure

[@domenicobarzotto892]

What you said about trying to train while avoiding injury rings really true for eagle claw (鹰爪 翻子拳) a lot of the chinna training seems to be trying to teach the body mechanics throws and imobilizations without actually throwing your partner.

[@watermelonprom7197]

I used to believe that what Chinese Martial Arts needed was some kind of Combat Sport... One in which the Chinese Method would be encouraged & could be properly displayed while also being safe & inclusive... But after having some time to think I have come to the conclusion that this is not what Chinese Martial Arts need most... While I don't think that a Combat Sport would be a terrible thing... I no longer believe that it would be the Proper Context for Traditional Martial Arts... & It all has to do with Sparring... The goal of Traditional Sparring should be to build confidence in your own abilities & attributes so that when a situation arises where you must Fight then you shall do so Decisively & Instinctually... However the Goal of Modern Sparring is to Teach the Practitioner how to Play the Game... & As Cringey as it is to say- Traditional Arts are too dangerous for such a context without heavily redesigning them to be safer... Similar to what happened with Muay Thai, Judo, Savate & Wrestling... & While I don't hate the idea... I would much rather preserve the original context... What Kung Fu needs is a form of Safe & Progressive Sparring... One in which it starts out almost like a Free flow drill but as the Practitioners become more & more proficient the Pace & Power increases untill it is almost like a real fight... I call this Soft & Hard Sparring... The Difference is that unlike Combat Sports... There are no Rules to what you can & can't do... Which is why it is so imperative to keep the Progression veeeerrrrrryyyyy slllloooowwww... In order to make sure that the practitioners are properly trained so that no one gets hurt... & Ideally by the end it should look like a scene straight out of a movie... Which is ironic- because that represents the most unrealistic way of fighting... But this done properly will be one of the most realistic... Another bonus to this kind of training is that the practitioners will know how to control their power so that if one messes up the other will not take their head off... However just like Combat Sports this is not full proof & accidents can & will happen... Further more this should only be done after you have done the proper Training, learned the Techniques & have Drilled the Applications... Only then should you be allowed to do the Soft Sparring & eventually the Hard Sparring... This is in my opinion is what Kung Fu need the most... Instead of trying to bend it to fit the shape of what other's deem as the Proper Context... We should instead bring back the Original Context...

[@NaturalStateWingChun]

Spot on man!

[@TheFlyingMan]

Brilliant explanation. Wish all the haters of kung fu can see this.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@TheFlyingMan share it😉👍

[@restorationofidentity]

A fellow Britishman here, Love your content only recently subscribed.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@restorationofidentity please share with other interested fellows🙏

[@restorationofidentity]

Its great to see fresh youtube channels openness to unique chinese or even japanese mixed martial arts. There's been to much woo woo, or some say mysticism surrounding these arts. Plus the comparison with modern MMA, am no expert only enthusiasm drives my intrigued with mixed martial arts. Would you say that with eastern martial arts most of the practices are to dangerous to sparr with? I'll spread the word to friend's of mine of your channel. 😊😀

[@maxd1744]

Wow, you're amazing! Keep it up!

[@conphenomenal9]

I always been interested in kung fu context I was told Chinese kung fu wasn’t meant and doesn’t work for fighting I wasn’t sure if that was true. I studied karate, and muaythai, now I’m studying pak Mei kung fu and I’m learning a lot of the history from your channel

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@conphenomenal9 stay tuned, in another year or so I'll likely be covering kuntao styles similar to bakmei

[@MikClarke]

Thank you Vincent, that was very well written and presented. Right everyone, for homework, I want a 2000 word essay on "The Context of Doctrine, Methodology & Pedagogy in {style of CMA}". Due Friday. 😄

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@MikClarke 🤣

[@jonathanadler6983]

I am looking forward to your explanation of Tan Tui.

[@NaturalStateWingChun]

This was very good!

[@DenshaOtoko2]

I heard from Acented Cinema that Kung Fu was effective in combat until the Boxer Rebellion of 1899-1900 after the Boxers lost to American and other foreign militaries with firearms, then they removed sparring from 90 percent of the Boxing styles until Sandra replaced it in the 1920's.

[@tantan19910603]

I do think you should include the style name in the context you mentioned. I am 100% sure you mentioned XINYI, BAJIQUEN, TONGBAIQUAN, TAICHI, BAGUA, MANTIS etc

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@tantan19910603 the whole point was to keep it somewhat general since each context can match more than 1 system or style and some overlap

[@wladdragwlya]

The worst weakness of modern martial arts styles is that they did not adjust accordingly when fighting styles transitioned from using weapons to using only the human natural arsenal aka mostly punches and kicks. Take in example parrying. While is absolutely recommended to master parrying when you use swords and spears, you should absolutely not base your boxing or kickboxing style on parrying alone, because human hands are very different from weapons -punching is faster than maneuvering swords and spears, because the additional weight of the weapons, and the variation of kicks and punches exceeds the usually standard 2 or three standard attacks with swords (the most used). So while you can successfully train parrying versus weapons, is much harder to encompass the huge variation of punches and kicks. This makes learning how to parry not only difficult, because karate masters or martial artists try to incorporate as many combinations as possible, according to the variation of the attacks, but is also a huge waste of time. Like someone said, you go to a boxing gym for one year and it counts more than training some Kung Fu or karate style for 10 years. In boxing and kickboxing sometimes you also parry, but the main part of the teachings focus on other things which are more closely related to the way that human body fights when unarmed. Take another example: speed. A common attribute in karate and various martial arts, it is not the absolute number one requirement in regard to boxing and kickboxing, because the damage you deal with a punch ie is lower than the damage you deal with a sword or a spear, when you reach your target. You can get away with receiving 4 or 5 punches, but not if you receive 4 or 5 sword blows. So if a karate guy is very fast he would or should absolutely win a sword fighting versus a boxer ie, because one sting with the weapon is enough to put down the opponent. But things change very fast inside the ring, where the frequency and rhythm of attacks and the wearing down of your opponent through movement have much greater importance than who can touch his opponent first. It is a completely different set of strategies, where boxing and kickboxing adapted perfectly to the style unarmed man fight, while karate and martial arts retain too much things from the past, when weapons were the primordial mean of dealing damage. Ie I even commented once why some shotokan guys throw their punches from the waist -not because it gives additional strength, but because this is the position from where a sudden attack comes when you are wearing a knife. Why did older styles not evolve and progress? Probably because those styles were first spread by military personnel who had weapons in mind and second it became fast a cultural thing.

[@K12war]

Need more videos about Kung Fu post-training massages

[@dudewait462]

Hello good sir, would it be alright to ask for some good places to start, in terms of sources, for anyone who is interestdd in learning aboit the context and doctrine, context and movement and context and pedagogy of chinese martial arts? Im super interested in learning about them

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@dudewait462 I'm releasing an online course soon that will begin to address that 👍👍

[@conphenomenal9]

So Chinese kung fu was a complete martial art that had striking and wrestling

[@davidrodgers6939]

Mic drop

[@DrunkenDarwin]

brennantranslation.wordpress.com/ If you read through any of these manuals and look at the type of climate and ways they trained it is exactly how you say. It was a very different time. The thing all these manuals have in common is they clearly say you need to have sparring in your training or you will not gain true transmission.

[@the.wandering.warrior]

@@DrunkenDarwin 👍😎👍 yessir! 'this is the way'