Traditional Latin Catholic Solemn High Mass

[@iesusetmaria2333]

As a boy in the latter 60's I remember after Mass men saying about the changes, "If it ain't broke why fix it?" The reforms were unnecessary, they rather destroyed. Today we truly need a reform and that would be to undo the reforms.

[@nativetexanful]

Fortunately, the Latin Tridentine mass is making a comeback. Many young people are being drawn to it.

[@itsnando20]

@@nativetexanful especially during Covid, the Latin mass is booming because people want to receive reverently and we need the calm TLm

[@jhlfsc]

@@nativetexanful The Church should have kept the ceremony and dropped the B.S.

[@cor_.iesuu3]

As a young catholic, I want to let you know, that this generation of younger Catholics are loving the traditional mass

[@jhlfsc]

@𝔍𝔬𝔥𝔫 ☦︎ Not all of us. While it is intriguing to many, to others it is just as foreign as the post Vatican II Mass was to people of the 1960's as they had never know it for their entire lives. Most young Catholics do not cite aesthetics as the main reason for being driven or drawn back to the Church to begin with. It is the moral failings of the institution on things like rampant and unaccounted sexual abuse of children, and the misuse of funds and resources to fight state protected issues rather than Catholic social justice issues.

[@jurisdude]

As a Traditionalist from Los Angeles, seeing what our Cathedral was and the MONSTROSITY OF A CATHEDRAL we have now, cannot help but to cry!!!!!

[@christiangoubaud]

It won’t last forever, the TRIUMPH OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY WILL OCCUR! AMEN 🙏🏼

[@christineriegler5854]

I agreed 🙏

[@heathermetz3974]

There is something so beautiful about the Tridentine Latin High Mass, that resonates in my soul!

[@lucindabunda2106]

It was never known as Tridentine. Wrong title.

[@E.C.2]

@@lucindabunda2106 Yes it was known as the Tridentine Rite. (Taken from the Council of Trent and Quo Primum)

[@Hilaire_Balrog]

Which is why the Modernist in control of the Church now hate it.

[@imanacer]

Really, Lucinda? Maybe your somantics could be appreciated elsewhere. Why don't you look around for that place...

[@ssoldie5490]

always has always will. I support and attened FSSPX

[@PetrusJosephus]

I cannot see into a mans heart, only God can read the soul. Yet, when I see the outward adoration and piety of these Traditional Masses, I am in sorrow. I weep, because of how far we have fallen, how impious the Novus Ordo is. On the other hand, the loss of Faith is just a part of the plan, a sign of the times. Sanctus Deus, Sanctus Fortis, Sanctus Immortalis, Miserere nobis et totius mundi.Amen.

[@crowlikemadness]

Yes, but in the end Good always wins. Pray for us, I know you commented 12 years ago, flash forward the worst Pope in history, who is actively trying to suppress the TLM, he is doing a good job of it, God help us! WE are going underground at some point, Dear Lord hear our prayers.

[@almeusdei2297]

Please return to the Tridentine Mass. Tridentine Mass, Tridentine Mass.

[@الكشافهقصهحبلاتنتهي]

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[@diegoheredia1223]

I wish it was still like this 😢😢😢 it was so beautiful

[@southfloridaspeed3681]

Still is… check out your local SSPX churches. It’s traditional Latin mass only

[@shreve99]

I've never had the pleasure of attending a Mass in the Tridentine Rite, but I wish I could. Hard to describe, but I got "butterflies" watching this video. It seemed so holy...and made me want to get down on my knees! What has happened to our Church???

[@ElizabethHopkinson]

This is a very beautiful and moving insight into the traditional Mass. Thank you.

[@Emeraldshields]

I love the intonation of the Confiteor at 2:55.

[@sydneylam19]

This Second Confiteor, though absent from the 1961 Roman Missal, can be recited during Mass. For your information :)

[@LordManuwaR]

sydneylam19 Where is it written in the Missal?

[@sydneylam19]

From what I know this Second Confiteor is not written in Missale Romanum; instead it appears in 1961 Rituale Romanum since Communion of the Faithful belonged to an independent part after the Mass until some more recent centuries, and so this was retained in the Rituale Romanum. Hope anyone who is more knowledgeable correct me.

[@JessInKY9955]

DonSonriso It was removed from mass in the 1962 missal.We are blessed to have a traditional catholic church in our city.We say the 1947 missal during mass.

[@LordManuwaR]

"traditional catholic church" but when you say "traditional" you say sedevacantist? cismatic? because deny the 1962 Missal sounds like sedevacantist...

[@anthonygullo7351]

The Tridentine Mass truly is beautiful, magnificent, and holy

[@connorpatrick24]

Noah, it is because the Kyrie for the Missa Choralis in this video has boy sopranos, which sing extra lines. In the other videos on KZbin there are only bass and tenor parts. Pax!

[@IgnacioAgramonte]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PLANET NOW???????????? WE MISSED THOSE TIMES.

[@scotthayward7257]

That is the Kyrie Eleison, which is an Ordinary part of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It comes after the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar and before the Gloria. It is the only part of the Mass in the Roman Rite that was retained in the Greek language.

[@Tjalt-EvertvanderKaakbokkert]

Yes and the Alleluia Alleluia is hebrew

[@paynedv]

Beautiful Mass

[@veggiedisease123]

The outside of the cathedral looks the same, but the inside has been completely gutted. It's basically just four white walls now.

[@E.C.2]

Non-Catholics used to convert after attending 1 Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Catholics fasted after Midnight for Holy Communion until 1957.

[@angelolopes8432]

I want this back and not be robbed of the feast of Christ and his Church !!!

[@ivanenrile]

2 Thess. 2:15 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”

[@marcj2551]

I can't believe this used to be the Old Los Angeles Cathedral, now we have an unattractive modernized building which is supposed to be the new Cathedral. Can't wait to have the first Traditional Latin Mass in the new Cathedral this October 1, 2016 thanks to the FSSP!

[@chivamex1906]

Wait! What? There's going to be a Traditional Latin Mass at the L.A. Cathedral next month??? Wow! Thanks for the info!

[@chivamex1906]

Hey, you know they say that God works in mysterious ways! I just so happened to be searching KZbin for videos on Latin Mass and came across this one. I read your comment and said "Wow, really?!" I actually went on Google to get more info. It turns out that the mass WILL be celebrated on 10/1/2016 @ 8AM. I actually went to a Traditional Latin Mass for the first time in my life last Sunday and I loved it! Words cannot explain what it felt like to me. It felt so good to attend the same type of Mass that my parents and grandparents did. My mom said it brought back so many memories of when she would attend mass as a little girl. She loved it, too.

[@chivamex1906]

Well, THIS guy will certainly make an effort to attend. And I'm already starting to spread the word about this Mass. I'm telling relatives and my Catholic friends & co-workers about this special event. I actually ordered my own Latin Missal yesterday so that I can follow along. I'm actually kind of anxious to attend, hahaha!!! 😁

[@chivamex1906]

You're FOURTEEN?! Hahahaha!!! Wow!!! Hey, I'm not laughing at you. It's just that it's rather uncommon for kids your age to be so into this sort of stuff. Most kids your age don't even want to go to Mass. I commend you on that! I honestly thought you were an adult. You really impressed me, kid! Or should I say, young man.

[@marcj2551]

Chivamex, They Moved the Mass, from the LA Cathedral to Our Savior Parish at USC Caruso Catholic Center located at 844 West Thirty Second Street, Los Angeles, CA 90007

[@2ndRatePetronius]

Watch this--and any number of videos of the Traditional Latin Mass on this website--then look me in the eye and tell me the Novus Ordo is the same Mass. You can't because IT'S NOT.

[@hyukal]

I frequently attend Latin mass. I might even say I attend it at least twice a week if I'm lucky, and I attend low and sung (high mass). I can tell you that it is NOT the same mass as Novus Ordo. They changed a lot of the prayers, especially the Confiteor (What is this "I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters" nonsense? The mass is about God, first and foremost!), Kyrie is no longer said in the ninefold way (six repetitions of Kyrie, three of Christe), the Canon of the mass is the same though some things were omitted or changed.. The presence is real, but badly catechised Novus Ordites don't fully understand the real presence, some as bad as they would walk off with the consecrated host in their hand.

[@psychedelicpython]

2ndRatePetronius 2ndRatePetronius You are completely right. I’m a traditional Roman Catholic, also known as a Tridentine. I believe Our Lady of La Salette, 1879 (?), who said the Catholic Church would be eclipse. I’m called a “radicle” by many people in the city where I live who go to the Novus Ordo because I go to a traditional Roman Catholic Church that never went with the changes and the Mass is only done in pre 1956 rubrics. (I’m also a Sedevacantist because these men in Rome who are called “Popes” are heretical in what they teach and do, which no real, or true, Pope would ever do.) God bless you!

[@psychedelicpython]

aldrick barber I’ve heard a couple of stories from people who are in FB group I’m in who still go to the Novus Ordo Church (but I’m thinking the groups name is Catholics Against Modernism) and they posted how they found a Eucharistic host on the ground outside the church as they were leaving. One of these 2 people (who are in different towns or cities) took the host back into the church and gave it to the priest. I’m not sure if the Eucharist host was actually consecrated because of the changes in the Church, but just in case I’m glad the person gave it a priest. Heartbreaking that these thing’s happen, and they happen A LOT more than I can imagine. 😢

[@alankay6312]

@@hyukal 9

[@Tom19142]

I'm not even sure if the NO "Mess" is a Mass at this point

[@sacredgroovin]

Beautiful.

[@Bartskibeat]

Shreve99 , I couldn't resist picking up on your comment about never having attended a Tridentine Mass. I was an altar boy for many years back in the era of the Latin Mass. A side comment: I could not believe it. I haven't been involved with the church in many years, but I have to tell you, it was a remarkable experience. The Mass took place between the priest & us &, if a high Mass, the choir also. The Gregorian chant had an appeal & effect of reverence that was so reassuring.

[@stellamaris428]

Just stunning!

[@kurtandreipuno3554]

beautiful ,truly beautiful

[@oldtimefreedom]

thanks for posting this! God bless...

[@Breadguy-l5x]

The beauty of the mass

[@trillline4563]

Kyrie Eleison Christe Eleison Kyrie Eleison These words can not be more needful than today.

[@Ronviki]

How could anyone look at this beautiful Mass and think, oh we need to replace this to the sh!t from the 60s and 70s smh 😢

[@trady]

@tlaniganschmidt Thank you for raising this important point. Although I was not alive myself prior to the Council, I too have become aware of some of what you describe, both from watching these videos and from conversations with others. I have spoken with many individuals who left the Church after the Council but who, rather than embracing the revival, prefer to remain at home because of a certain sense of coldness, awkwardness and artificiality felt at revival services.

[@kpman]

Wonderful!

[@colinmccarthy7921]

I love the TLM.I love Gregorian Chant.(Bring them back).

[@tlaniganschmidt]

This Movie-clip really captures the feeling of the Tridentine-Mass,What is missing in the revivals ,are the sense of it as both cozy & splendid.The new-presentations of the TridentineMass miss a major element & often come-off as stiff & smug.Having been an Altar-boy before Vatican2 was an amazing experience,because serving-Mass was as natural as breathing.It is very important for Traditionalist to see this "movie" because very often their "well-meaning representations " just don't get-it-right.

[@deusvult8340]

What movie is this?

[@marya9039]

@@deusvult8340Christmas Holiday 1944

[@dcosgro1]

It always will be in your heart......where God lives closest to you!

[@emjay5577]

I've attended and also served at many High Masses. We had a beautiful choir. So solemn and reverent. Now I have to endure the mess of a NO Mass and little reverence.

[@mpctcfd1933]

Très bien !

[@GIF_CANCEL]

so beautiful. it makes me very sad that all Masses are not this way.

[@himlogicc]

Church: St John Cantius, Chicago. They still do the Latin mass.

[@karlheven8328]

this is another church though. It is in L.A. Now it is an event space. And St. John Cantius does offer NO Mass in Latin, not the TLM although it seems similar, there are some major differences.

[@stevenlee5673]

Shrine of the Holy Innocents in NYC offers the Tridentine Mass Low and High Mass!

[@rodrigogrigololarratea1509]

Linda missa na catedral de Santa luz no ano de 1944 que saudade das missas em latim e eu conheço eu sei rezar todo latim

[@PiusXEnjoyer]

Anyone know what Kyrie version that is?

[@AP-we6qc]

Pope and Bishops !!! Give us back the traditional, true Catholic Holy Mass !!!!

[@miguelpereira2518]

My God, what did we lost? Why did we lost? 😢😭😭😭

[@SanLewy]

1st Corinthians 11:2 -- I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.

[@SanLewy]

2nd Thessalonians 2:15 -- Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta Once again, the Mass is not a new or additional sacrifice. It is the Church joining Christ in His presentation of His One True Sacrifice to the Father, a presentation which He presents to the Father for all eternity, the one and only sacrifice which is sufficient for our salvation. This is, and always has been, the teaching of the Catholic Church about the Mass.

[@jerryuallera3437]

The american pronunciation of the Latin is so funny!! :D

[@ivanenrile]

Rev. 4:8 - heaven's liturgical chant "Holy, Holy, Holy" is the same that is used in the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth.

[@miighu]

Thanks for the response :-). Maybe I was not specific enough. I meant which Kyrie is that, since I already know its a kyrie? What composer made this Kyrie?

[@atanazy4904]

They sing in the beginning „ Puer natus est in Betlehem, Alleluia! Unde gaudet Jerusalem, Alleluia Alleluia!

[@agispasaribu5676]

there is no worship of bread, but the mystery of worship of Christ the slain Lamb of God who is present in the Eucharist in the form of Bread and Wine in the Cup....

[@robinsonrex1280]

Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ.

[@sydneylam19]

Could anyone tell the name of the Mass setting and its composer? So majestic!

[@Apollonia19]

sydneylam19 It's the "Missa choralis" of Licinio Refice (1883-1954).

[@Hany-fu1vc]

And that was an actual footage of a Midnight Christmas Mass in a movie called " Christmas Holiday" 1944 starring Deanna Durbin

[@kathleenlajeunesse1694]

Nice clip, but it cuts off before the best part! I was hoping to see Jackie's breakdown!

[@RezaChity-G]

It is just the Mass though, just as advertised. Also, the full movie can be viewed here on youtube. Interestig story.

[@catherineoconnell3213]

wow beautiful 10/09/2022

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta I didn't say that at all, I said that the look of the ritual and the things used for it were obviously not at the Last Supper.

[@patc6146]

if mass was like this i would go everyday

[@nathanielramos5338]

Same

[@crowlikemadness]

Unfortunately, we see the fruits from Vat II. The church is experiencing such a horrific situation with the modernists in our church. God help us !

[@swarnamesias9961]

Ave Maria Ora Pro Nobis

[@nasticanasta]

YOU can access them I just did....any comment removed can be seen by clicking the "see" link under each one. Regardless I posted his comments...and yet you use excuses.

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta I include lots of scripture references in the debates I've already had with others. The link information is posted below.

[@jasonburdette697]

I only attend Traditional Latin Mass, this way Mass she always bee, I never could see myself going back to Mass of Vatican 2. If you are Catholic and concern about your soul you will only attend Traditional Latin Mass only.

[@jajanesaddictions]

I love the sounds and tradition of this, but I have to say, I do get frustrated in not being able to understand what they are saying. I was a 50's baby, so there you are you see, in there lies the rub. I love the Gregorian Chant of the Holy Rosary on KZbin here. thanks and Merry CHRISTmas.

[@ElvisAronable]

+ja jane There is a missal, after a while it is anon issue, and less frustrating than choir directors and certain priests making up their own masses. The Church is in trouble if they don't figure out what went wrong in the 1960-80s

[@jajanesaddictions]

James Gange I believe this too. It all went wrong in 1958 and 1963. The two Conclaves. What a mess.

[@almeusdei2297]

If you get frustrated do not worry, it is not up to us to understand every bit of conjugated latin verb. But IN FAITH know that every word they are pronouncing in Latin is an act of Adoration to the Blessed Trinity. Who can fully understand the mystery of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? We can only pretend to, in reality not even in Heaven can they fully comprehend it.

[@davidwcooney]

@davidwcooney Here is a reference containing the biblical support for every Catholic teaching you have questioned. I put it here for you - if you dare - and for anyone else who chooses to check it out. I only debate in person these days because it is easier to hold the other person to actually checking out our evidence, as this exchange has made most evident. The reference is "A Textual Concordance of the Holy Scriptures" by Thomas David Williams.

[@davidwcooney]

@davidwcooney You can easily check what the Church actually teaches for yourself. It's all documented and publicly available.

[@nardforu131]

Why was Deanna Durbin's character crying?

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta Rituals certainly were in the upper room. It was a Passover meal - which is a very formalized ritual with particular persons taking particular roles. As far as the "purple" robes, purple is only used for very limited times during the year, so why do you keep focusing on purple? The ceremonies and items used for them are an expression of the royal dignity of Christ. That is why we use them. We always knew that is not what it was like in the upper room.

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta Exactly, the body is offered once and eternally. That is exactly what the Catholic Church teaches.

[@ivanenrile]

Rev. 4:8-11, 5:9-14, 7:10-12, 18:1-8 - the various antiphonal chants in the heavenly liturgy are similar to those used at the Holy Mass on earth.

[@Nicodermus4Life]

Does anyone know why the main character woman was crying?

[@tlaniganschmidt]

@dacatholicbandorgan Los Angeles was originally part of Mexico.So a lot of Mexicans were already there.That's why the name is in Spanish.

[@davidwcooney]

@IMPERIUMMEX, while I cannot say that it never happened, the Catholic Church FORBIDS the segregation of the people. It was something that was actually commented on frequently in the 19th and early 20th centuries, when various Protestant churches had the practice of "selling" pews to wealthy families as part of their funding. The only time seats are "reserved" for certain people for a Catholic Mass is for special celebrations like weddings, ordinations, and things like that.

[@victrolajake]

This looks like Holy Mass at my parish in Omaha. It's too bad Cardinal Mahony is so insane.

[@The_Temu_Reet]

Anybody here from school?

[@MadMax31577]

@catholicpeter Don't weep, just don't be involved with the novus ordo. Traditional parishes are springing up everywhere. While the many have fallen, there is a renewed faith in some. Take heart, a remnant remains.

[@23noahsark]

What is the name of the introit being sung here?

[@AI-hx3fx]

"Puer Natus Est in Bethlehem" - the Introit for the Third Mass of Christmas Day (the "Kings' Mass")

[@shreve99]

@Bartskibeat Just got back from midnight Mass in my parish...in all honesty, I don't even feel as though I've been to Church. I feel like I'm still hungry, if that makes sense. I wish I could find a CATHOLIC Church in my area!

[@SanLewy]

2nd Timothy 2:2 -- And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.

[@ivanenrile]

The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, "trogo" is never used metaphorically in Greek.

[@ivanenrile]

Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13-14 - priests wear special vestments in heaven. Our priests also wear special vestments in celebrating the Holy Mass on earth.

[@23noahsark]

Who is the composer for the Kyrie?

[@fernanditohz]

Licinio Refice. Missa Choralis

[@shreve99]

@nasticanasta I didn't say I "would", I said I "could". Read more closely. Also make note of the reason why I said it was impossible here.

[@VinylToVideo]

Interesting Latin which the priest rushes through the Mass with. I'm happy to say the Extraordinary Form is said better than this today, though sadly far less often.

[@JacobSnell1998]

His Latin was fine

[@VinylToVideo]

How can you even tell unless you slow down the video to .5 speed? It's hardly Italianate. "Kiree Elys'n.. Crist Elys'n."

[@seaghanobuadhaigh8240]

@@VinylToVideo I can hear it very well. BTW that bit isn't Latin, but Greek.

[@jackneals5585]

Because back in the day your average Catholic Cathedral had like SIX masses every sunday... Priests weren't messing around back then dude!

[@E.C.2]

They were not rushing through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Holy Communion consisted of 300-400 people bare minimum in a city the size of Los Angeles. It was nothing like the post 1970 world. Talk to an old Priest who was alive back then,their stories will blow your mind.

[@davidwcooney]

@IMPERIUMMEX while I cannot say it never happened, the Catholic Church FORBIDS segregating members of the congregation. It was actually commented on during the 19th and early 20th centuries, when Protestant churches had the practice of "selling" pews as part of their fund raising. The only time there is any reserved seating in a Catholic Church is for special events like weddings and ordinations.

[@ivanenrile]

Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. His listeners understood Him alright. They didn't think he was speaking metaphorically. If so, if they mistook what he said, why no correction? On other occasions when there was confusion, He explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5-12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Him to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for emphasis.

[@agispasaribu5676]

O Lord, when will you give me a way to return to this Apostolic Church, Your true Body? looking at the form of worship, it is indeed better and more touching and more beautiful and heavenly than in my church which is noisy with worldly band musical instruments whose center is humans who are on stage to show their skills and their pride is instead centered on the Lord God and our redeemer Christ.. ..

[@nasticanasta]

@shreve99 lol instead of doing so, you just talked about how you "would" do it...I have alreadymade some assertions refute them!

[@miighu]

Can anyone tell me the name of the song they are singing around minute 2:00

[@23noahsark]

Are you sure this is the Missa Choralis? Ive youtubed it and it sounds different.

[@nasticanasta]

Galatians 1-8; But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta What?? You can't be serious. We can't be authentic unless our priests wear the same clothes? That must mean that the minister at your church wears the same clothes the Apostles did, right? And, of course, they don't own their own building in which to preach since the Apostles didn't, right?

[@joshstephens842]

Hollywood would never in 2022

[@nasticanasta]

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

[@tlaniganschmidt]

@trady the "revival" totally ignores a theological-perspective that the laity understood.And this is the centering of the Mass in our daily lives. As Lay-people we identify with our favorite Saints.The old-immigrant Mass is much more complex its organic-simplicity than our over-undereducated,self-absorbed clergy never even bothered to explore.What our-clergy called "clutter" was the affectionate unity of the body of Christ into the ineffable-totality of the Communion of Saints in God'sEmbrace

[@seanynut1994]

I was unable to access them

[@nasticanasta]

actually there is no definite dates for any of the books....

[@nasticanasta]

when Jesus said here is my body the bread, and here is my blood the wine... was the blood and bread his body and blood while he was standing there with it? Was Jesus split up into the cup the bread and himself at the same time? was there alter boys, crosses incense, gold chalices, royal colored robes, was there parading around in that upper room the night before the crucifixion? If so...please post the exact scriptures that says this. I want the scriptures that say this happened.

[@micelangelo100]

What Kyrie are they signing?

[@nasticanasta]

@davidwcooney take your own advice and answer everything I asserted...or give URL's as your defense once again..

[@davidwcooney]

@nasticanasta So, you admit that there ARE scriptures which directly contradict what you are arguing AND that YOU ignore them because it doesn't fit your belief. Catholics absolutely believe that we are justified by faith, therefore, we accept all of these verses. We also accept those verses you reject because we actually believe everything that scripture teaches. We understand that it cannot contradict itself. Scripture says we are justified by grace through both faith and works.

[@seanynut1994]

I protect no freak but my Catholic faith - I cant access his comments they've justly been removed and I am sorry you had to endure such animosity

[@nasticanasta]

@davidwcooney I notice you have no answer