Everything Wrong with the Trains in The Lone Ranger

[@TrainFactGuy]

Honestly, I have so much to say about this film and bits I cut from the script that I might do a directors commentary

[@yeoldeseawitch]

Do a realism check of Titfield Thunderbolt

[@eliotreader8220]

engines back then where stopped by shutting off steam and the valves set in mid gear and the tender brake applied

[@TrackMaster844]

I’d love to see you do one on The Train (1964)

[@Braystrains]

Yes please!

[@Optimusprime0418]

Are we not going to talke about the ho model train that showed up in this movie

[@Hyce777]

Shoutout to ToT for putting up with my ADHD brain and me not realizing when things were happening and making editing the least fun. Great video, mate! I've had similar ideas for other films for years...

[@TrainFactGuy]

I feel another collaboration might be on the horizon

[@ErieRRfan]

​Exciting

[@RailPreserver2K]

I've been curious to see someone do something regarding Walt Disney's version of the Great Locomotive Chase, Particularly due to the fact it preserved the Tallulah Falls Railroad to an extent. (A route i came to know well after it'd gone) ​@@TrainFactGuy

[@cabowerks3973]

Oh yes please 🙏 I love both of your channels so much! I literally lol’d when I saw Hyce’s cameo! 3 cheers to the 2 of you!

[@seymoarsalvage]

@@TrainFactGuy indeed

[@ryancooney3219]

I didn’t realize I needed a Hyce and Train of Thought crossover, but now that we have it, I hope y’all make more videos together

[@DixieRailProductions4018]

Agreed

[@350enginestudios2]

Yeah

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

They need to do a cursed trains stream together.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

Agreed until the end of the universe.

[@SPRailfan4449]

Facts! 💯

[@TankEngine97]

When I saw the title of this, I thought this was an actual 'Everything Wrong With' type video. I will admit a number of the trains scenes in this film are over the top and may have resulted in the movie going over budget, but the amount passion and dedication that was put into them really does show.

[@DixieRailProductions4018]

I agree.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

True.

[@Plokman040]

I will agree passion is there but to a train enthusiasts eye, it is half hearted. Because we know so much about these machines, that we notice where they went too far to just make action scenes for action sake. Don't get me started on locomotives with cow catchers never being given a coupling.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

@@Plokman040 noted.

[@survivingworldsteam]

@@Plokman040 but outside of maybe "The Train" movie, how many train movies are out there that are 100% accurate, with no artistic license to add some excitement to the movie? Same thing in aviation and military movies; it is fun to make a list of all the inaccuracies.

[@michaelramsey82]

One of my favorite silly details about this movie is that, when he's riding the horse along the top of the train, he manages to ride at full gallop for several minutes and only seems to move about halfway down the length of the train.

[@nickthompson9697]

Brb, need to jump a horse onto a train in rdr2 now.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

I guess in The Lone Ranger world, Hunter Harrison existed 150 years earlier.

[@looseycanon]

OK, I read about a filmmaker wanting a field scene to be realistic, so he bought a farm, sowed, left it to grow, shot the scene, harvested, sold the crops and the farm and turned profit, even before the film released, but here they're buliding entire flipping railroad just for a few scenes! Man film making is crazy :D

[@TrainFactGuy]

Christopher Nolan when he shot Interstellar

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@TrainFactGuy "Christopher Nolan when he shot Interstellar" Yes; that is the one. Cooper's farmhouse was located here: 50° 24.383'N 114° 12.201'W You can see the disturbed dirt if you activate historical imagery and go back to about 2016.

[@rafidhiyaulhaq1107]

please do more of this, im very interested in breaking down train portrayals in movies

[@arthurhammeke8296]

I 2nd this.

[@voltsiano116]

3rd Unstoppable comes to mind. Some of those scenes are absolutely bonkers, but some seem kinda plausible.

[@ADBLOCKER4YOUTUBE]

@@voltsiano116 Especially at the end when the train goes tilting off its wheels around that really slow curve.

[@voltsiano116]

@@ADBLOCKER4KZbin Yeah. I wonder whether a single diesel pulling in the opposite direction could - given just the right circumstances - stabilize the cars like that

[@ADBLOCKER4YOUTUBE]

@@voltsiano116 I'm just going by memory of the film, and when I saw that scene I thought “No way.”

[@joshslater2426]

The climax of this film is for my money the best train chase in cinema history. It’s dynamic, fast paced, as epic music, and culminates in a lot of dynamic train shots. I’m aware that the Jupiter replica isn’t fully accurate and rail laws are ignored, but the whole scene is a lot of fun. I’ll never truly understand why people have so much hatred for the 2013 Lone Ranger.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Because everyone keeps making odd life choices in the film, ie. travelling through the canyon, saving the main character then proceeding to keep info from him (Tonto maybe *is* a little mad) and also THE KID SCENES because apparently Tonto is in a museum exhibit telling some 6yo kid about this set of events about 40 years after they happened

[@joefrew1614]

It’s because of EVERYTHING ELSE in the movie people have problems with, the story doesn’t make a lotta sense, and it’s WAAAAAAYYYY TOOOOO LONG for it’s own good, just like the later Pirates of The Caribbean movies.

[@garryferrington811]

I've never seen it and I detest it.

[@caramelldansen2204]

I have native friends, so... need I explain why I and they aren't fond of it?

[@The_Oddon]

I love the train chase, its one of my favourite scenes in film history. I actually really enjoy this movie quite a lot, I understand why people don't enjoy it but I like it for what it is. To me it pulls off the pirates of the caribbean vibe pretty well. Though they may not be accurate, its one of my favourite movies with a train in it. Even better that its part of the story

[@pacificproductionsofficial]

Honestly I was not expecting a Hyce and TOT Crossover, that was very cool

[@ErieRRfan]

Honestly, I don't even think anyone was thinking such thing could happen

[@Arkay315]

That Hyce bit is priceless.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

Agreed

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

Sidenote: Wow. Thanks for the highlight and like.

[@ChristheXelent]

This movie is basically proof that you can't measure the quality of a project by the size of its budget. I have a soft spot for it in places, but it would have been so much better had it maintained the same pace, tone and energy that the train chase climax had. The historical and technical accuracy irks me to no end, but finding accuracy in a Disney project is like trying to find a vegan who likes beef.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"is like trying to find a vegan who likes beef." That would be like my mother. Vegan for virtue signal; but sneak out to Mickey D's for a burger.

[@jordaneriksson5417]

Chris!

[@TheLuckyJ11]

BRO WAS COOKING 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️📣📣📣📣📣📣📣

[@railfandepotproductions]

Never fond of culinary puns, I'm more of a engineering/architectural type of guy (Just a simple opinion trying to make it's way on the internet)

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

Well welcome to the internet. Try not to run into the wrong people.

[@PPPPPPmaisad]

I don't forget galvanize square steel

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

@@PPPPPPmaisad good

[@P0nyB3h0ldr]

As someone who thoroughly studies 19th century steam locomotives for my modeling projects, you were being EXTRAORDINARILY generous with your critique of their details. Both of these engines are clearly based off the vogue of the 1910-1920s. They feature stylings, proportions, technologies, and even tender trucks that were either unfounded or impossible for the 1860's. It's important to remember the engines of the actual vintage were dainty because builders were still optimizing firebox placement, which was typically set within the frames beneath the drivers. Tiny fireboxes can only efficiently heat thin boilers, and thus the locomotives were built to much thinner standards--prioritizing agility over size. Even that simple fact is only scratching the surface of why these locomotives are completely inappropriate for the context, but I'm sure no one wants to read a comment section essay. Also of note is that in the opening scene, the locomotive is equipped with a westinghouse air pump, therefor it also presumably has premature air brakes.

[@BandanRRChannel]

In fairness regarding the air brakes, that's probably a concession so that the trains would actually be safe to operate during filming, especially during scenes where they had the diesel shoving on the rear. It stands out mostly because it actually gets used in the film as opposed to being "in the background" so to speak.

[@P0nyB3h0ldr]

@@BandanRRChannel The presence of airbrakes are definitely understandable, but I still think they could've omitted the westinghouse pumps given the fact they're fake on the steam engines anyway.

[@garryferrington811]

It comes down to this: they didn't care. They were looking for "cool."

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

As someone who is also majorly into trains and also does a lot of studying (even though I freelance things a lot), I feel compelled to respond. I agree with some things you said, but take issue with others. Biggest problem: "Both of these engines are clearly based off the vogue of the 1910-1920s". Sorry, but no. Maybe if you were talking solely about the Constitution you'd be more on the mark, because it has some notable overly-modern construction (the cab and the boiler both stand out) despite the 1860s-inspired trappings. But unfortunately, you spectacularly derailed your point by using the word "both" and dragging the Jupiter into it. The *Jupiter* is absolutely NOT in any way "based off the vogue of the 1910-1920s". Looking at screenshots and other photos (which I'm doing as I write this), the firebox shape (A big bulge substantially greater than the boiler diameter-wise, and located within the frames) and the proportions seem fairly close to the actual 1860s engine and its replica - the running boards seem set lower, with more of the firebox and boiler barrel visible above them, but you can definitely tell it's based on the 1860s engine. Complete with a wooden cab and the running boards using actual wooden boards. It does look like the _scale_ of everything above the wheels may be wrong, but if so that would more be a technical concession to facilitate filming. Now, the stylings... Please point out what specifically is out of place there instead of just saying "stylings". Because at least on the whole, the stylings are very much 1860s. The ornate dome detailing, headlamp supports (with Jupiter's being an exacting match for the replica's), paintwork, etc. the big wide pilots, Jupiter's balloon stack, the gold plating on the boiler bands... those are decidedly more in keeping with the flamboyance of 1860s locomotives (as seen on the Jupiter and Leviathan replicas, and the preserved C.P. Huntington) than the utilitarianism of the 1910s-1920s. Nothing jumps out at me as overly modern except the Constitution's cab. You are however right about the tender trucks, which look nothing like the tender trucks of the day. EDIT: However, I think mechanical considerations may have forced their hand there - remember that the tenders of the prop locos are actually compact dolled-up diesel engines that provide the actual motive power. Technically, this is just *barely* in time for the trains to have air brakes. They would have been a brand-new thing introduced just that year - Westinghouse patented his initial train airbrake design in April 1869. What other technologies with the locos stand out to you as premature, if any?

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

@@P0nyB3h0ldr They might not necessarily be fake, given that the prop locos were still self-propelled via the tenders.

[@00Zy99]

The ladder to the passenger car roof is actually something that I can account for. Some passenger cars carried water (for washing and drinking). While some cars used an on-board container, others (especially more deluxe cars) used a built-in tank for more capacity. In an attempt to get at least a modicum of pressure, water was poured into this tank from a hatch on the roof. A hose would be snaked up to this hatch for filling. I have seen contemporary images (admittedly, drawings) of this, and I do somewhat recall seeing a ladder on the car. So, the passenger car roof ladder is acceptable. That said, the under-frames of all of the passengers is much too substantial. Though that can probably be waved for safety/stability reasons.

[@garryferrington811]

Waived

[@Anchovistic]

20:53 The best part BEGINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@kingadam69]

TOT's got a good voice, give him a record contract.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

For sure!

[@survivingworldsteam]

Out of all of his videos I have seen to date, this is by far his best. Well done!

[@DeoxysPrime300]

And the name of the song?

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

@@DeoxysPrime300 no clue. But I’ve heard it many times.

[@Mikado_Mika]

We need a whole series of this!

[@KeeperOfTheKitten]

Meanwhile in a parallel universe there's an equivalent "Shipload of thought" channel ranting about the incorrectly rigged vessels in the Pirates franchise! Great video as always, ToT

[@SpeedCooler1835-vb6ur]

“The real Lone Ranger was the friends we made along the way.” -John. L. Ranger Sooooo inspiring😂😂

[@exveefan]

Makes you wonder how much detail Walt Disney would have done to make the trains scene more realistic.

[@OddHunter5504]

Honestly, he probably wouldve thrown that disney money at thr production and built real ones

[@Sudriantank12]

Omg it's you!

[@KaiHenningsen]

Disney? Much money. No realism.

[@AnimalsVehiclesAndMore]

@@OddHunter5504 Maybe, he could've included original Disney trains, such as Casey Jr.

[@christianpark5155]

​@KaiHenningsen Walt Disney had a passion for trains that lasted his entire life and even did business with the ATSF for several decades, I think in a situation like this he would have thrown as much money as possible to make it as accurate as possible

[@00Zy99]

Okay. I need to add more. First, the train would not be moving that quickly with that many buffalo around it. (and that's an incredibly small herd of buffalo for 1869) In reality, there would be AT LEAST ten times as many buffalo-contemporary reports talk about them filling the horizon in every direction, and taking more than a day to pass. When encountering a herd of buffalo, standard procedure was to come to a stop-colliding with a single buffalo would cause a total wreck. Charging into a buffalo herd like that would be suicidal-literally. And buffalo wouldn't be living in terrain like that without any grass to eat. Then, there's the fact that the train is digging into the ground and flipping over. As Hyce noted in one of his videos, commenting on a US Army rail sabotage documentary, trains can deal with a surprising amount of non-trackage. Not to mention the whole Canadian National temporary generator story. I think somebody made a video about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIi8k3donMZreq8 Regarding stealth track construction-there is actually precedence for it. Somewhat. There was the construction of a terminal facility at Promontory Summit-the railroad that built a siding there first could claim terminal rights, so one company sent a team out in darkness, and they managed to build a siding AND A WYE before dawn. Then there are the many examples of companies building tracks across other lines' rights of way in various "Frog Wars". Or building across the land of objecting property owners. Really, you have to appreciate just how empty and unpopulated large parts of the US are, even today. There are reports of lines being built in secret and presented as a fait accompli. Admittedly, I can't think of any that were built and then HIDDEN, but I suppose it could happen. Interesting fact-the first electric toy train was invented by Joshua Lionel Cowen (he changed his name from Cohen) in 1900. He sold it to a store to run in circles in a display window advertising a product. It got plenty of offers-but for the train instead of the product it was supposed to be advertising! The completion of the transcontinental railroad was (rightly) celebrated across the entire US. It's not inconceivable that the banner is commemorating this, or that the banner was left over from those celebrations (it does look rather oddly worn). The presence of the Jupiter is actually not entirely inaccurate. The Southern Pacific was created by the owners of the Central Pacific, and the two were inextricably linked from Day 1. After an IMMENSE amount of (sometimes rather questionable) corporate shenanigans (enough to fill several books and a couple feature films), the SP ended up being the owning body and the Central Pacific was folded into it. The corporate entity of the Central Pacific came to an end in the 1920s, but it was nothing more than a few pieces of paper decades before that. As a result of this corporate entanglement, the Jupiter could very easily have been dispatched to Texas. As it was, it ended its days in Arizona in the early 20th Century, honored by its crew (who knew its history), but not by anybody else. So the Jupiter being in Texas could have been feasible. The BIG issue is that there would have been no reason for any "stealth" to begin with. Historically, when valuable resources were discovered on land belonging to one of the Native peoples, the US simply dispatched the army to remove them, with the full cooperation of the railroads-when they didn't request the removal themselves to begin with. Even if the land had been set aside for those people in a treaty with the US Government, said treaties were basically worthless scraps of paper only acknowledged when it was convenient. The railroad owners would simply buy up the land or use other bureaucratic means to ensure that they got as much of a cut as possible. There would be no need to resort to working with nutjobs for something like this.

[@marciacunningham5877]

Bison. Michael

[@BlueBerry2283]

I’ve ridden through small reindeer herds on a train. Even then it’s at a snails pace. Going anything over turtle speed when dealing with buffalo just feels insane on a primal level

[@doggo7]

26 minute of train of thoughts...YES

[@TalonAvalon]

7:50 YOOO ITS HYCE THE ABSOLUTE GOAT LETS GO

[@Train_Tok_Man]

He’s not the GOAT. I’m sure he’s done some good things, but I wouldn’t consider him the GOAT.

[@ErieRRfan]

​@@Train_Tok_Manwho would you consider the 'goat' then

[@Train_Tok_Man]

@@ErieRRfan Easy answer(s): Steve Lee, Ed Dickens, Doyle McCormick, The Claytor Brothers, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t know who any of those fellas are because a majority of Hyce’s fan base are just Foamers.

[@Train_Tok_Man]

@@ErieRRfan Very easy Answer(s): Steve Lee, Ed Dickens, Doyle McCormack, The Claytor Brothers, etc. Hyce is still very young and it’s silly Foamers are already considering him the GOAT even though he hasn’t done much other than making a KZbin Channel.

[@andrewadams3894]

Just to pile on a little, the freight car that gets t-boned appears to have a metal underframe. In this era freight cars might have a wrought iron plated wood underframe or a wood underframe with wrought iron truss rods, but a frame of rolled wrought iron structural sections wasn't a thing yet. I would also note that Bessemer process steel wasn't available in the US until after 1875 due to a patent dispute. Also, for future reference, the use of brass or copper tubes or copper fireboxes in the US was pretty much over circa 1850. Wrought iron fireboxes and tubes (frequently charcoal iron) were preferred, at least until steel plate and tubes became available. Any confusion on this point is understandable, given that British practice used copper to the end of steam.

[@cr10001]

Ah. I'd picked up on that too, in fact the sectioned locomotive used in the illustration (Ellerman Lines) undoubtedly has steel tubes.

[@bear470]

The fact you went to hyce for info makes me love this even more!

[@rudyproductions4557]

When it comes to movies, I usually prioritize the “Rule of Cool” over accuracy. But the boiler being on fire, that bugs me!

[@RedJubilee]

At first I wanted you to do BTTF Part III next, but then I realized that the film crew actually did their research for that movie and there probably aren’t a lot of inaccuracies.

[@LoopedCat]

Not gonna lie, I thought I wasn't gonna like the song bit you did, but God damn you proved me wrong. Well done!

[@jordaneriksson5417]

20:43 You are one of the GREATEST SINGERS EVER!!! I hope there's more songs that you can do

[@TristanMorrow]

I'm not even autistic but at 18:30 the historian in me wants to just say that the owners of the Central Pacific RR -- as stated, one-half of the OG transcontinental railroad -- purchased the Southern Pacific Railroad in *1868* -- the SPRR subsequently grew exponentially by building and linking and aquiring every robber-baron railroad they could get their hands on -- especially in Arizona, Texas, and México and fwiw, in a massive self-dealing buyout, the SPRR and CPRR were combined into the famous -Octopus- *Southern Pacific Company* in *1885* ...so, same railroad company, actually.

[@railmastergaming]

between the collaboration of 2 of my favorite KZbin channels, lyrics of the song describing what was wrong in the movie, and little details I've never noticed making me rage, this is by far the best movie review I've ever seen in my life man!

[@b43xoit]

Masterful lyric writing.

[@DaGardenChair]

At. 16:35 I can absolutely believe that steam is cool enough and at a low enough pressure to be safe to walk through. The relationship between temperature and pressure are very close and the fact you can see the white stuff shows that it is mainly water vapour condensing as it rapidly expands and cools outside of the pressure vessel. I still wouldn't stand directly next to an open cylinder cock but after being sprayed by many locomotive's cylinder cocks and blow down valves I'm fairly confident that those chaps would be fine.

[@Castor586]

The biggest problem with the film was that they tried to create a Western film in the same spirit as Pirates of the Caribbean. The original story of The Lone Ranger was a gritty revenge plot that blended iconic elements of Robin Hood and Batman into a classic Western. The TV show that followed had a much more standard "Good guy wins, bad guys lose" plot element, but still kept a more serious tone. When Disney turned the story into a carnival sideshow, a lot of people were disappointed. There was a lot of hype surrounding the film, but the overall reception was really low.

[@cr10001]

As a teen I was utterly derisive of the Lone Ranger TV show, for reasons I can't remember. (Terminal corniness? And wasn't the Lone Ranger prone to pointing out the moral of the story at the end? Could be wrong). This ludicrous mess of a movie tramples the Lone Ranger meme into the mud and dumps all over it like a rogue elephant with a stomach complaint.

[@TristanMorrow]

Entire genre of movies notable only for absolute steamingcrap train scenes made to be mediocre spin-off amusement park rides 🚂 🎢

[@garryferrington811]

Looks execrable. Computer graphics instead of good writing and acting.

[@sirrliv]

I have been waiting for a video series like this for literal decades. A few KZbinrs have tried, most notably Gareth Dennis with his look at the first Mission Impossible, but none have made it more than a single episode or so without being nuked by the Copyright Claim Algorithm. You are certainly a brave soul for taking on this challenge and I salute you for it. Doubly so as this is frankly a big issue that deserves to have attention drawn to it. While it may be cheaper and easier for film studios to just use prop or even CGI trains instead of filming around the real thing, it also makes it so much easier for them to get things, as TV Tropes puts it, "Just Train Wrong". And while most may be able to brush it off as not really mattering, it does matter as it takes you out of the film; even if you don't know anything about trains, you still have a basic grasp of physics and realism, so every time a train does something it shouldn't or looks weird it strains our suspension of disbelief, taking you out of the movie. Not to say that prop trains can't be a worthwhile alternative, but you need to have folks in charge who know about trains, not just hire a bunch of gandy dancers just to get credit you didn't earn. Hence why you can waste millions building a 5 mile railroad only to get lampooned for every detail versus trucking in an actual steam engine and coaches from Nevada to Oklahoma for a few background shots that really do deepen the immersion of your film (referencing Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon). And you shouldn't do half measures either, like Kenneth Branagh referencing a real SNCF Class 241P but then building a prop version with the smoke deflectors on upside down, a bizarre Deleware & Hudson smokebox headlight, and a stupid cartoon snowplow, resulting in it looking less like the Orient Express and more like an Indian restaurant. Tl;dr: Bravo to you, ToT. Long may this series continue. Gods knows there's plenty more bad movie trains to go through yet. Also, Hi Hyce! P.S. Regarding the wonky proportions of the train in the opening (I swear the freight cars in particular look too tall to me, one weird detail that even I didn't know until recently was that early railroads in Texas were actually built to 5ft 6in Canadian Gauge. In fact, the idea of adopting 4ft 8 1/2in Stephenson Gauge as the universal standard wouldn't really be a thing in the US until the 1880's. But in the film, the opening train is still on 4ft 8 1/2in Standard Gauge track, and I doubt the crew did enough research to inflate the dimensions to visually compensate. So it's just questionable prop design, not helped by literally all of the cars being built on the same flatcar chassis. Also, there was, and technically still is, a weird quirk of Texas law that states that any railroad company wishing to operate in Texas must be based in Texas, meaning that outside companies like the Southern Pacific would have to partner with, buy out, or form new shell companies to satisfy this law. In SP's case, they bought out the Texas & New Orleans Railroad and continued to use its charter for their Texas operations. Interestingly, this law is still in effect to this day, with a modern prospective high speed rail company buying the charter for the long-defunct Texas Central Railroad.

[@WasatchWind]

Gosh I was surprised at how much effort you put into the song, I'm impressed lol

[@CarlosDeLosMuertes]

7 seconds in and I'm down some rabbit hole with the Sonic 2 movie having a flying CSX train. lol

[@RioGrandeRailfan473]

Hyde’s reaction to the couplers is priceless. This is An amazing video and I hope hyce gets featured in these more lol

[@1234mallard]

Look at the movie unstoppable. While certainly a dramatisation, it’s surprising how much of what happens in the movie has some basis in the real event.

[@RibbonRailProfuctions]

Agreed, and the lash-up scene was going to be a thing in the real event, but wasn't needed as 8888 stopped miles before the 3rd locomotive could be used

[@1471SirFrederickBanbury]

Damn ToT, everything is top notch, especially that opening with Studiopolis, and the William Tell Overture.

[@danielboone3770]

I should also point out I really love the model trains in the behind the scenes sequence here. Especially the fact a diesel engine was used in the engines' tenders as well as a computer so automatic movement was involved. Really fuels up my imagination.

[@Ragan83DE]

That Mosley reference was crazy

[@connormoroney1106]

Hey ToT you said you were cooking, and you whipped up a delicious video. 😁👍👏

[@jelly_ghost1299]

Please make this into a series this is amazing! A polar express review would be awesome

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

Hyce is great. Again another of my to favorite tubers I didn't know knew each other existed

[@1981deloreanfan]

There was no standardization of design when it came to locomotives and rolling stock until the end of the 19th century. Before the creation of the big three steam locomotive manufacturers (Alco, Baldwin, Lima) there were hundreds of locomotive manufacturers not to mention many railroads began building their locomotives in house. Before Budd and Pullman dominated the passenger car market, many wagon/stagecoach manufacturers built rail cars. Many of these designs were one offs and can vastly different when it came to controls, couplings and brakes. But when railroads started merging and the need to reduce downtime became more paramount, the manufacturers started to simplify their offerings and the railroads retrofitted their equipment with more standardized controls.

[@littlepastelkitten]

I have a photo standing only a couple feet from the left cylinder on n&w 611. the steam coming from it honestly felt nice tbh. but it also wasnt a jet escaping from the packing gland tho.

[@littlepastelkitten]

SPEAKING OF, why the hell is there even so much steam escaping if the loco is stopped, and the throttle presumably closed

[@northeastartist4158]

I definitely want to see the uncut reactions to the scenes and hear the intense criticism (Bird screeches) from Hyce and you, I'd gladly sit down and listen.

[@BikemanSuperfast]

This feels like it could be the train equivalent of the Fast&Furious movies. Next year they come out with 2Lone 2Ranger and Hammer's character pulls up to the opening race in a Mikado, blowing down steam from custom nozzles mounted in front of the cab

[@irvgiles1482]

This video was unusually long for ToT but I watched it and was incredibly entertained, especially by the singing part. I've never enjoyed a ToT video so much. Great work ! I would never have noticed the problems mentioned but the entertainment comes from the ToT narration. This video obviously took a lot of research and planning to put together. Good show! Impressive! Love it!!

[@penguinmaster7]

you would have an aneurism watching Super 8's train crash. it hits a truck at ~50 mph and suddenly every single car on that train has its gravity turned off

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

Most railfans would probably have a cardiac arrest watching that scene

[@zacharyrollick6169]

23:29 I mean, if were pointing out weird stuff. Rango's gun has a swing out cylinder instead of a loading gate and fixed cylinder.

[@theevildalek5425]

I LOVE this new video format! Looking forward to more!

[@Steamteamrailworks88]

The stupidest thing about the “dual Johnson bar reversers” is that one is to change from forwards and backwards (the main Johnson bar) whereas the second one is *literally* the regulator/throttle. And this stupid idea actually traces far back during the hand-drawn cartoons from the 1930s where cartoon trains had “dual Johnson bar reversers” but can differentiate from the reverser/cut-off and the throttle

[@Hawkeye1701]

Okay... officially your greatest video yet and I cannot wait to see the next one of these!

[@BrandEver117]

This was great. Please do more movie inaccuracy videos, even if they don't all end in song lol

[@Yorie1234]

9:30 the ladder is obviously there to get to the brake wheel that is also on the roof. for reasons. Yes, I know there is also a wheel right there on the balcony, and any wheel will do, so there still isn't really a point in having the ladder there, shut up

[@BrandEver117]

The wheel is obviously to steer the train, you must feel so foolish right now

[@ErieRRfan]

​@@BrandEver117but of course! What else would it be for?

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

@@ErieRRfanother than using train brakes? I have no bloody clue. 💀

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

Why the hell would trains have steering wheels bruh. The bogies and wheels do that work. Edit: it would be useless. Why put one in when you can make the path curve for it and give it special wheels?

[@ErieRRfan]

@@Ehimherebecasuewhynot it's for off roading clearly

[@khuhruzhsvethmeorv8318]

That was absolutely hilarious. I would love to see more videos like this, was giggling to myself throughout

[@rustymidlander05]

This is a bloody good video. I would've never thought you could break into song during a train video and have it work, but it was done really well. If you plan on doing more of these, I'd recommend The Fugitive with Harrison Ford.

[@Fanofthomas31]

No matter how accurate modern westerns try to be, they’ll have nothing on the classics that were produced while steam was still in service.

[@garryferrington811]

None of them is as good as Buster Keaton.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Next you should review trainspotting, drug use, drug dealing, and stealing are of course pretty normal pass times for a train enthusiast but all I saw was a single Class 158 throughout the entire movie, a very misleading title indeed.

[@someonebald2022]

"Dear editor: As an avid fan of both citrus fruit and spring driven mechanisms, I was very disappointed by the film 'A Clockwork Orange'!"

[@Mr._funny2006]

Please upload the ending song by itself

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

He just did

[@Mr._funny2006]

@@harrisonofcolorado8886 add it to your next meme compilation

[@spacecase13]

One of your best videos yet! I laughed myself to tears, and seeing Hyce involved was epic!! Bravo!

[@danielreilly7830]

The dual reverse levers might actually be legit: Before Stevenson's valve gear was widely used in the US, (1850's) there was another type broadly called gab valve gear, and some variations required two reverse levers. So if this was a particularly old engine, it's potentially accurate. But then they never seem to use the controls correctly anyway so...

[@voltsiano116]

I was so happy to hear you say "in SONG!"

[@Brickticks]

Well, at least Constitution will always be remembered as a very useful little ten wheeler for the Lego Railways surrounding Gold City and Legoredo. Although, admittedly, the Lego version lacks any sort of number or internal cab controls. Seriously, all she’s got is a big black 4 stud diameter radar dish in the cab. This means that for my own personal copy I had to custom design and build and integrate a rudimentary set of controls and firebox. Plus she had no rods, so those had to be acquired, thankfully the Sapphire Star had the perfect new drive rods, so all I had to do was order an extra pair. On top of all that she had no whistle and her piston design made her too wide for the track she was intended to go on. But hey, she’s a good little ten wheeler, just only in Lego form. Oh, and to you who has said that a 4-4-0 can’t catch a 4-6-0, I present to you, NWR No. 2 Edward, who has faithfully shown he can catch a 2-6-0, known locally as James. Boom. Rockatoa, Brickticks out!

[@sockshandle]

I mean… an American American type… (4-4-0) built for general purpose work wouldn’t… but a British built 4-4-0 built for express duties? Probably would.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

7:50 A wild Hyce appears! Two Johnson bars is for multi-track drifting it's a standard in Hollywood since the Polar Express.

[@keiranallcott1515]

Really liked this one , as a train buff I can understand the frustration, I felt that recently with the latest mission impossible movie. Where they did build a replica locomotive and launched it off a cliff. However it was the way the baddy disabled the controls of the steam locomotive that really made me think that it couldn’t be done with a hammer.

[@C.A.A93]

This has to be my favorite video of yours so far. Cheers to you 🍻

[@ThomasTheorist]

This is your best video ever!

[@blakebrooks4314]

The 2 reversers are to control the different sides of the wheelsets, which is how the locomotive's wheels are moving in that one scene

[@b43xoit]

At least they're consistent.

[@crazypickles8235]

Brilliant!!! Well done! Wonderful vid and terrific foamer insights!

[@gregdone8586]

This is brilliant 😂 Please please please do one for the Polar Express and the orient express they used in the mission impossible movie!! 🙏

[@fishman501]

I'd love to see more videos like this, especially with the sense of humour (I loved that Mosley brick joke)

[@ratheonhudson3311]

Thank you for this video, I had so much of a headache from multiple inaccurate things I spotted and you spotted way more

[@tomsnow7815]

the song! you nailed it! amazing! ❤

[@robertb7918]

Depicting almost parallel tracks for no good reason is a common thing in many model railways where the modeller simply wants to depict two different types of line but it always strikes me as silly when there is a railway track that needs a huge bridge to cross a chasm when there is another railway only a hundred metres away crossing the same landscape where the valley has shrunk to being a small stream.

[@WasatchWind]

The engineer's outfit in the opening scene also appears to be period inaccurate. It's hard to tell with how dirtied up he is, but it just seems to be the stereotypical engineer outfit that wouldn't appear until the early 20th century into the 1920s.

[@Ehimherebecasuewhynot]

12:50 Oh dear hyce are you okay?!?! Sidenote: The fact that they somehow got the valve gear wrong on The General by a little bit bamboozles me. like… HOW?!

[@kookoobrick54]

Walt Disney loved trains as much as any of us, I'm certain he would of cringed at all the inaccuracies in this film.

[@svnifx3757]

What a fun video!! You have such a snappy sense of humor, an incredible skill in editing and a sense of comedic timing that's on point. And I haven't even gotten to the 03:00 mark yet!!

[@ShadowDragon8685]

Now I legitimately want to see you, Hyce, Lawrie, and Antony Couls do a "four experts watch a godawful Western movie with trains" review/pisstake/MST3K.

[@ianpatrickmchugh787]

Given how this covers two subjects that I love, movies and trains, and given just how marvelously engaging, informative, and creative it was, and given the degree of love and care that is palpable throughout, this is THE BEST VIDEO I HAVE SEEN ALL YEAR! Bravo! Thank you so much for making this, and I hope we'll see more videos in the future from you about the depiction of trains in movies!

[@Talesfromtherails8277]

You remind me of the critical drinker there at the end. lol. Also Hyce jump scare lol.

[@nickwogan415]

For the life of me I can't work out if the film is set pre Westinghouse or post Westinghouse, but in either case Tonto was moving the Westinghouse brake lever into the Full Release position to stop the train and not the Emergency position. The effect of this is the complete opposite of what Tonto was trying to achieve. Also the wagon Tonto and his buddy were leaning against as the derailed locomotive slid on its side (with driving wheels still rotating) toward them, clearly had Westinghouse brake pistons fitted. The standard practice for railways world wide when operating mixed braked and unbraked vehicles was to attach all the braked stock to the locomotive and the unbraked stock at the rear of the braked portion. Some brakes are better than none... Excellent video btw. Well worth checking out all of Train of Thought's other videos. Hyce's too. Most enjoyable.

[@OliverT-qt1gn]

Wasn't the brake stand lever action for 'Straight Air' brakes the exact opposite of 'Automatic Air' brakes...? Urg...(Note to Self: Never try to be coherent when you've got a migraine.) What I meant to say was I'd be more interested in knowing whether the system was supposed to be 'Straight' air or 'Automatic'. If Straight, compressed air was admitted TO the brake line...if Automatic, air was released FROM the brake line. If the latter, the Engineer could hear the air being released.

[@nightnight8724]

Dude that singing bit was phenomenal! I was laughing so hard and can't stop smiling, even now at the end of the video. Great job!

[@RailFoxMedia]

20:57 Nah tell me how or why something can be so nit picky yet go so hard at the same time 😂😂 your pen work is on point ❤

[@RNG_Lemon]

The volo auto museum (i think its just the volo museum now) is actually not a long drive from where i live. I occasionally go past it on the way to work. Jupiter is on display outside, and its always a nice sight. Nice to see it be covered in such detail like this.

[@milo3733]

Great video! I appreciate that you not only pointed out the mistakes but actually explained them where applicable so us normies could follow along (and learn something too!)

[@LNER4771]

I have actually met a few of the extras that worked on this movie. Namely, reenactors of the First Nebraska Cavalry who play the soldiers in - wait for it - just TWO scenes. To add some realism, these guys drove out to Utah with their full uniform, weapons and tack for the production, and got paid for it as well. Their major gripe with production, though, was that the craft services for extras were not at all filling.

[@paulmetzgar2604]

Great job illiterating what was wrong via song. It got the point across in an entertaining way. Laughed so hard I had to watch that part twice.

[@official06MD]

This is why “Train of Thought” is a musical man in history.📈 🎵[LYRICS BEGINS]🎶 That’s the wrong lever to start the train The boiler pressure’s naught again Why do none of the cars have their brakes applied? *That’s Dangerous!* Not sure boilers are that bullet proof Why are all those men up on that roof? It could hold their weight but the horse’s hoof Would *LIIIIKELY* go through it! He grabbed the throttle wrong You need to pull it back to go forwards Switch stands only indicate direction Hitting them won’t change the points How is a 4-4-0 catching up? A Ten-wheeler should be way ahead of them, Maybe they’d be faster. if they fixed all the leaking joints Also there’s this bit with the air brake *But…* We’ve already been over that… Why’s there another track going up that ridge? They did an awful job when they built that bridge How’d he fit a horse in the carriage? The *dooooor* isn’t wide enough! The cars going faster than the train Look there’s those weird couplers again Why’s a brake wheel there? It’d be such a pain to reach when you want to stop Why are passengers still aboard- A train that was stopped in the town? You’d think they’d walk around and celebrate the railway opening Somehow these hopper cars Are moving faster than before They really should have stopped Climbing that steep grade Speaking of grades, let’s look at this track: For some reason the railway spilts into two separate lines but both travel along the same path It wasn’t unheard of for two lines to be built Parallel during the construction of the transcontinental But to have both in a canyon like this is pretty damn mental One track is like a rollercoaster Going up, down and around That seems a lot of wasted effort Surely you’d choose the route Much closer to the ground The grades are just too steep for an engine to climb It’s stupid. It’s janky. And one messed up railway line Why are the cars so fast? You’d think that on such poor track They would have easily come off the rails by now These hopper cars are whack They have a weird shared-track design That makes no sense to me and just it looks dumb Nobody would build tracks like this The line’s too steep and bend’s too sharp No way a car would keep that much momentum Moving on its side That crash would flip that van And throw off at least hopper car The metal frame wouldn’t break when hit So the van would slide Or you know Also derail the carriages that collide with it. Somehow the throttle applies the brake That reverser is wrong for god’s sake Every wrong detail I swear will take *A year* off my lifespan Shooting a coupler won’t break it A car goes missing for a bit This movie is the biggest plot of shit I’ve ever seen At least it sends Jupiter out in a blaze of glory Even though It’s boring and dumb story Finally the train wreck happens How has this part not collapsed? From the engine’s weight The wood it should have snapped *I…* Guess they really did use galvanized square steel In the end In the movie “The Lone Ranger” All the trains only ever seem to get stranger How did Disney and Verbinski make a meal out of this show? Verbinski’s the same guy who helped direct Rango God this movie annoys me And I hope I never have to watch it ever again 🎶[ENDS IN MUSICAL TONE]🎵

[@D_R-G_S]

“Im glad they built trains but they used em wrong” -everyone ever

[@RobSchofield]

Without a doubt, the best KZbin rant I've ever watched, and worth every invested second of watching time. Special highlight: the totally out-of-tune but ludicrously funny song that had me circular-breathing my cup of tea through my nose and mouth at the same time. BRAVO!!! (the crowd roars!) 🤓👍

[@Veeebeee69]

This was a fantastic video your song was truly enjoyable

[@jakeanthonyjames]

Ok but hear me out. How boring would the train scenes be with real world physics and accurate engines?

[@ErieRRfan]

You gotta point

[@cr10001]

They'd be a damn lot more convincing and satisying than this hyperactive sped-up garbage.

[@fallenmango8420]

Fair, but also you can do some incredible stuff with locomotives. If you haven’t seen it, check out the General. It’s a buster Keaton film, and all of the action sequences are done with real locomotives from about this era, there are some truly spectacular stunts in that move. They drive them like sports cars, it’s great.

[@justaperson8560]

The guy playing the flaming piano was perfect 👍🏻 😂

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

My reply when my friend asks me why I just massacred thousands of people just to dig up silver and plant vegetables on 10000 square miles of land: 2:11

[@THE_WHEATLEY1]

This has been my favorite movie for a long time, glad it’s being mentioned again!

[@RibbonRailProfuctions]

So, i would LOVE to see you do more of these!!!!!!!!!!

[@jameswarner7435]

Bravo good sir! This video was a thousand times better than the movie it is based upon. Loved every minute of it!

[@aaronfreeman5264]

Lone Ranger was a radio drama; historical accuracy would have been historically inaccurate.