TRANS COMMUNITY HATES ME! Destiny Talks Trans Issues w/ Taftaj

[@LastNightDestiny]

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[@cl4998]

Okay groomer

[@thetrueking6137]

This young man was a great guest destiny 💯

[@pepegacrazy7905]

forsenCoomer 🔥

[@supersexisenpai7545]

@@thetrueking6137 🤡

[@donttreadonme4394]

Na im good

[@vgorp3849]

I can't really relate to most of these issues but I'll say one thing because I work in surgery. People mystify surgery because they see articles about life-saving procedures or images of sophisticated equipment, etc, but surgery is not the futuretech/candy science that people believe it is. It's still very brutal, crude, bloody, grotesque, and embarrassing. People pee and poop on the OR table while under anesthesia. Their bodies are poked, proded, pulled, and yanked around. It bothers me that it's become such a mundane accessory in pop culture and that people talk about it when they've never even watched a procedure. I'm not saying it can't be a sensible treatment for dysmorphia but it is definitely not the right move for a lot of people and the gravity of that decision has not been given due respect in the past couple of years.

[@BillMayonaise]

I hope the science will get there one day to properly help people but in it's current state, SRS is absolute madness.

[@minoo1160]

@@BillMayonaise wym

[@NotimetoVero]

@@BillMayonaise I don’t think it’s anymore “mad” than many other cosmetics procedures. BBLs are still more dangerous than SRS. And FFS is literally just the same cosmetic surgery cis people get, except it’s done to treat gender dysphoria. Surgery is brutal, but to pretend it’s MORE brutal because it’s done on a trans person instead of a cis person is madness.

[@BillMayonaise]

@@NotimetoVero To be clear, SRS refers specifically to the surgery to replace the genitals, not implants/facial surgery. To my knowledge, cis people do not get SRS. I have no issue with trans people getting the latter two surgeries. The difference, to me, is the final product of a successful surgery. Even in a successful MTF SRS, the genitals still needed constant maintenance and are rife with medical issues. I can't speak to FTM SRS but I would assume it probably has a significantly better final result since your trying to create a sealed and healed appendage instead of a hole in the body, kept open by design.

[@NotimetoVero]

@@BillMayonaise i don’t know how you could read my reply and think that I thought SRS is something cis people do. Clearly I was only referring to FFS being surgeries that cis people also get. And, once again, BBLs are also rife with infection. With a mortality rate of 3% in 2017. It is the deadliest cosmetic procedure. It’s just so weird to be fixated on the procedures specific to trans people, when breast implants are basically guaranteed to make you sick, women with breast implants are constantly taking antibiotics- but that’s not talked about ad nauseam. Same with hair transplants, an industry that has skyrocketed in popularity. I know it’s a “whataboutism” but I’m just adding to the original comment, that in the same way we shouldn’t hand-wave surgery for trans people- cis people often times get very similar, if no the same procedures that shouldn’t be taken lightly. With how common BBLs are on social media despite the infection and death rate- trans women aren’t the only ones that should be reminded that surgery is risky business.

[@lilspeth_]

destiny's understanding of pronoun usage and correct-gendering is more sophisticated than most trans people i talk to. i don't want to be gendered female because i told someone to, i want to be gendered female because it means that person genuinely sees me as female. being misgendered doesn't hurt because it's "disrespectful," it hurts because it means that i am not a woman in that person's eyes. and not being a woman is why i have gender dysphoria

[@deeznutz8320]

You never be a woman too, Maybe stop watching porn and anime and come to the real world.

[@tl4637]

My only criticism of this kind of thinking. Is that other people's feelings of masculinity or feminity shouldn't undermine your confidence in your own character. Womanhood, and manlyhood is just a scope/lens in which we view world through. A woman who is really into traditionally cis masculine men, would see a femme masc. person with long hair as someone identifying with characteristics we commonly view as female. But just because this woman views this man as essentially female, it doesn't make him any less masculine. Even though he embodies feminine characteristics, his sense of masculinity comes from within. And so it does not change, depending on what some other person sees you as. That's how a man that's 5'2 can be just as much a man as a NFL O-Line defender that's 6'7"

[@lilspeth_]

@@deeznutz8320 i don't watch porn, buddy, but nice try

[@lilspeth_]

@@tl4637 i understand that, and i'm not saying it's healthy to feel the way i do. it's something you have to work on, otherwise you wouldn't be able to function in society lol i just meant that a lot of people seem to think the pain of being misgendered is the same kind of pain as if someone called you the wrong name - as though you're being disrespected. but from my experience, the hurt comes from the "reminder" that you are not a woman in the way you want to be. but i totally undertand what you're saying

[@tl4637]

@@lilspeth_ And that's totally valid to feel that way! It sucks to not feel like you fit in, and that other people might view you differently purely for political reasons or ignorance.

[@lord6617]

I have a distinct memory of being in college 20 years ago and talking with a good looking woman that seemed pretty cool and relatable, and a while later a guy next to me who knew her saying she was trans. And looking back, she probably wouldn't have been held up on a pedestal as "perfect passing" but I perceived her as a woman. I know a lot of people don't treat people as they choose to present, but you are never going to satisfy those people. But the people who don't care and will just treat you as you want to be treated don't care as much about your passing as you think they do, imho. As some 20 something dumb college dude, I was attracted to that woman and treated her as a woman, and isn't that what you are looking for?

[@puffdaddy69]

bro you are pansexual, welcome to the lgbtq community

[@cosmic_ghostwolf]

@puffdaddy69 He's attracted to women, that doesn't make him pan. Are you saying that trans women aren't real women? Boom, progressive trap card!

[@rddento]

Am I the only one that feels spoiled by Stevens willingness to engage anyone at all on conversations ? God bless this man .

[@7th_blessing]

Woman*

[@hata6290]

definitely not always lol

[@indyz4329]

So happy to see destiny giving other women a voice on her platform

[@traveel9409]

Sorry, but Lord Destiny has told me to bully you and anyone else who utters the "Destiny is a girl's name" joke. It's nothing personal, and it didn't have to be this way, but you gave me no choice. Goodbye, comrade, it pains me to do this, but I must T_T

[@willh5667]

​@@traveel9409 but did you tho

[@istanformarzipan]

@@traveel9409 Teet?

[@alexkehoepwj]

​@traveel9409 I get where you're coming from, but you're running from the objective reality that Destiny IS a girls name

[@pdxlasher]

"Fake trans people" is exactly the way to describe them. I've always just called them "trans trenders," and they have absolutely destroyed the trans movement.

[@asdgjgjhgs_hhhjs]

What she’s saying about being disappointed about her transition is EXACTLY why people should proceed with caution when it comes to transitioning, especially in young people. When you have an ideal or an expectation of something you will obtain, you set yourself up to fail as the reality will never match your ideal. This is not specific to trans issues either , it’s everything.

[@518UN4]

It's a trap a lot of trans people fall into. In the beginning transition is their only goal but at some point they finish and then they realize they forgot to build anything besides their trans stuff, theres still school, work, everything else. And that doesn't really change just from changing gender. The transition just puts you in a place where you are hopefully more happy with yourself so that you have it easier to tackle the other parts of life.

[@lydiawilder5996]

But she's literally stupid as fuck, she is in the top 0.001% of trans people in terms of cis passing and beauty standards. Her feelings and dysphoria are valid of course, but her having mega brainworms doesn't mean she actually failed by any metric. The reason trans people hate her is because even though she is top 0.001% of cis passing trans woman, she uses her own brainworms as an excuse to tell other trans people they shouldn't transition/should stop transitioning. She's literally built like a fucking mewtwo, she has no place to talk about her not meeting anyone's standards.

[@Originalchili]

@@518UN4 it's a "trap" lol

[@Originalchili]

Yea the vast majority of trans aren't gonna look passing, and thr ones that do, have spent thousands on surgeries, and even then, it requires loads of makeup and pure genetic luck if you are trying to be feminine as a born male

[@tamsirjames3793]

thats a L BOT TAKE. You should always chase your dreams including wanting to switch gender. The key is measured expectation

[@derekcarter2645]

As someone who is biracial (black and white). I can relate to this a bit. Because I've spent so much of my life wanting to be fully accepted as black, but people will point out that my skin is lighter, that I speak quite differently, etc. And I think that I have gotten greater peace of mind by accepting that I will always be slightly different and that's okay.

[@ron4tron]

Haven't got too deep into the video yet, so I'm not sure I can say I relate similarly to what's described in their conversation... but with what you're saying, I totally relate. My family friends (who we basically call and consider family) along with my mum all speak Tigrinya & Amharic, are all Ethiopian, Eritrean, etc... And while I am half Ethiopian, I definitely don't look at all like almost all of them and only speak English. It definitely makes me stand out in a way that can sometimes be uncomfortable or make me feel "less black" even though my experience feels largely the same to a lot of them, or at least to the people my age. There are still issues that I find difficult to deal with, but I find that the people who know me likely accept me more than I think they do in my mind, and that nobody can deny your experience as a black person even if that experience is different only being half-black. Your experience will also be different for a number of reasons, but there is likely a common ground that nobody can deny you and even if there isn't, you also have that unique experience that absolutely NO ONE can deny you. That unique experience as a half-black individual is just as valid in its differences as anything else, so while things may be awkward at times, embrace it and be unapologetic of any of it. Though still, understand that your experience will be slightly different of course lol, so yeah, that you should be considerate of. Woah, I did not mean to ramble that much lmfao, my b

[@mofthestoryy]

❤

[@deeznutz8320]

Het atleast you can use your race as an identity your whites site cant do that lol

[@David-tt3fq]

What upsets me about being half black, the kinds of things I've done throughout my life to get accused of not being black enough is always stuff that I should do. Like speaking proper English, reading and writing, getting good grades, having pets. I've even gotten shit off those same people who say I'm not black enough, for not dating exclusively black women XD.

[@jsgdk]

Thats a weird Amican thing imo, I grew up around alot of kids who were adopted from africa and asia and they were not treated differently in school and as an adult I would think nothing of it after they opened their mouth, we dont have "culturally black" here, its not a thing. Any negative negative the would face would be being assumed to be a part of some "problematic" immigrant group, but that evaporates as soon as people realize they are not.

[@indyz4329]

Gotta say, F>M passing looks to be easier in many cases than M>F, especially among those who only start during or post puberty.

[@XSRVX_01]

Ftm is DRASTICALLY easier because testosterone is so brutal to the body

[@Bethune_Groundstaff]

Why wasn’t angry man brought in on this?

[@onigengu7846]

Well, first of all, number one, he doesn't know anything about any other community than the black community because he has tons of stories but he doesn't have any stories involving white women, much less trans women

[@szefkuba]

Fak

[@bigdick1267]

Cause he's too based

[@justanotherperson5770]

His emotional self can’t have regular conversations with people 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@bkrich]

Too busy being angry and smoking cigars

[@mikeyTversus]

Taftaj is more passing than JustPearlyThings

[@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878]

You made spit my coffee everywhere XD

[@JD-tp6ei]

😂😂Absolutely!!!

[@Fontaneish]

😂😂😂😂

[@ConsciousRobot]

True

[@Wise__guy]

💀💀

[@SgtGitaroo]

I'm glad there are conversations like this online. Sometimes when I'm in a group voice chat, I'll misgender somebody and it makes me feel pretty bad. But then when I need to consciously use the pronoun that feels "wrong" to my brain, it makes me feel even worse (like I'm a bad person for it not coming naturally). It's good to know I'm not alone and not a bad person.

[@darkstudios001]

What's wrong with being a bad person 😈

[@zeeck666]

august covering up the factorio gameplay wtf

[@jbark678]

Based

[@Sue_Me_Too]

It's not even that good of a screensaver

[@thecooljohn100]

I think the argument/idea she puts forward is a really healthy one. Where essentially she's saying the trans community should put less value on the checklist of physically passing as the gender you transitioned to, and more on generally being in a better spot mentally above all else. Maybe people who have been struggling with gender identity all throughout their puberty years think that transitioning will quiet their mind a lot more than what is actually possible. Because as we all know, everyone struggles with mental issues, trans or not. So maybe there is an unrealistic expectation that when you transition your mind will undergo some huge enlightenment, but really you still feel just as shitty as the rest of us. And that's a very important thing to raise awareness about to the younger pre-transition trans audience who are dealing with all the normal puberty issues and tribulations of being a teenager. And maybe they start thinking that normal people have a quiet mind and don't judge themselves every waking moment. When in reality we will all struggle with mental health for our entire lives. It's just called being human.

[@Observette]

Love that she isn’t afraid of being honest and exploring unpopular ideas. The left needs more of this when it comes to trans topics. Everyone’s so freaking afraid of “saying the wrong thing” 🙄.

[@PuddingXXL]

It's hella funny since taftaj is very conservative when it comes to her politics. I can already see the same lefties ripping her to shreds when she is talking about feminism f.e. lol I like her for her honest opinions and this convo was really nice but her political stances I almost all disagree on. At least the ones I caught on panels and debates. Her honesty is what makes her shine. Politically I'm on a whole different isle.

[@TwilightSentinel]

There was a really good quote I heard from a book regarding prescriptions and mental health. I think it helps in this case too. That quote is: someone who has a mental illness is like being lost in an ocean. And prescriptions are like a life vest to keep you afloat. However, you are still lost in an ocean, so therapy is your way back to shore. And of course, change prescription with transitioning and it seems to make sense.

[@beeohbee]

Thanks for this quote. I'm going to write it somewhere to keep

[@spritvio639]

Awesome guest destiny, you should have her on more often.

[@livybister]

Yes 100%

[@Eterntitty]

@@helena_5456 evidently she's never watched him he was def tryna abuse another orbiter if you know what im sayin

[@keepitsimple3239]

She looks 100% female to me

[@grantwerner7332]

She's bad af

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@helena_5456 I think she has HPD or something, she pretends like nobody likes her for attention

[@blane2472]

I honestly didn't even know she was trans until she mentioned it on a panel she was on months and months ago. And I don't think I'd ever realised she was trans if she hadn't said so herself. Not saying you need to pass as a trans person, but I think she's being really harsh about herself. Most people irl are not looking at people thinking 'are they trans'. Even if she did have masculine features - which she definitely doesn't - people would still sooner presume she looks butch than she is trans.

[@rherd]

You missed her point completely

[@9999ping]

@@rherdwhat point? this comment is only addressing Taftaj passing or not.

[@ThermalSpace]

That's her point entirely. She's saying that passing means little to nothing

[@djbillybool8173]

u can tell by the voice

[@Kuroganemk2]

Really? Was obviously trans to me from the start, the voice sounded faked too.

[@magicdragon9621]

This seems like such a stressful situation to be in. I feel for trans folk having to face these battles of feeling like they will never get to where they truly want to be.

[@Goodmorning592]

For real, I have a lot of empathy for them

[@shadowsta9]

Then something just snapped, Something inside of me. I didn't care anymore...

[@twinkletoes8094]

Love the reference!

[@deeky1239]

The ''trans community'' of which 90% of them aren't actually trans will hate you if you do not tow the orthodox line anyway, the opinions of fanatics shouldn't bother you.

[@joannalewis5279]

Very perceptive line of questioning and Taftaj is very bright and honest ahead of her years. Looking at it in terms of percentage of passing and finding acceptance was key for me, and I mostly passed without any surgery.

[@MandosCulture]

Risk Reward to transitioning early destroys your hormonal profile if you at all decide you do not want to transition anymore when you are older. You WILL NEVER be able to go through a second puberty, the estrogen/testosterone in your system will never be the same, you will need to balance yourself chemically and if you do not, it can cause long term damage to your body (look up what happens to guys with low test longterm). As far as mental health, I have a degree from ohio state in psychology and medicine, I also worked for a phsychiatric inpatient/outpatient therapy clinic at Ohio state, they will not have better mental health just by transitioning early, they will still have to deal with society being unfair and judging them. Trans women that try hard to pass, understand femininity FAR MORE than a cis gendered woman. Look at the way they speak publicly, they understand femininity AND masculinity to a great degree. People will never accept people who are different on a grand scale. It is unfortunately apart of human nature, so those people who judge should be ignored. Their views should not be perpetuated and strengthened

[@lukeeyles7844]

Currently 30 mins into the conversation and no one has defined passing... seems like Taftaj is using passing to mean unclockable, or 0 masculine characteristics, which is an impossible standard that no one should set as their transition goal. But I think when most trans people talk about passing they're talking about generally being perceived as their gender, which is a huge quality of life improvement if you don't have to deal with constant misgendering and having to correct people, and I think a completely reasonable goal for someone to have.

[@MsHojat]

good point

[@ShaharMS]

I think you answered your question about the definition of "passing". Your'e correct they didn't define it in this clip, but maybe they gave a definition before/after that clip

[@skirtgobrr2415]

Great point. There are tons of cis people who only 'pass' 99% of the time too. I have a cis aunt who is tall and has broad shoulders and she's gotten in shit for going into a women's washroom before.

[@Originalchili]

If you look at trans people online, they look super feminine, sorta like a bunch of Belle delphines, but in reality all that is due to makeup and camera angles and surgeries, and even then it's gonna be extremely difficult for a trans to pass irl, unless the person is drunk, you will be able to tell if they are trans

[@skirtgobrr2415]

@@Originalchili I mean people think that due to the bias because they obviously only notice the ones that don't pass. cis guys will hit on me a decent amount in public and then say nvm when i say im trans. no surgery, started as an adult. It's not that hard and people that think otherwise just don't really have the experience needed to know or are coping

[@Nettamorphosis]

I spoke up in an online space in a pro-trans way & some ppl thought I was trans… It is a very weird & disconcerting experience…. It shows how much the “adult human female” faction, are not as certain about what a woman is, as they portray.

[@Logan800]

I have to and I'm a straight male... I love trans women as a straight male

[@alexdex9439]

​@@Logan800bruh you cant be straight then. Just own it man nothing wrong with being a pack of sticks 😏.

[@quasi-intellecual3790]

I’ve been watching destiny playing factorio for hours, but I still have no idea how the game works.

[@PuddingXXL]

Get it and try it out yourself. One of the easiest tutorials. This game is like crack unironically but it's really good. I was partying when destiny got factorio recommended to him since I love this game to death since it came out. Been playing it since the alpha and it's honestly top 3 of all time games

[@STOPTHECLOWNS581]

Anyone remember when Fuentes called Taftaj she and he was as like oh $hit 😂

[@Olodus]

Haha yeah that was awesome. Oh I barely remember, but wasn't it some other super conservative or something like that on that panel as well that you could see physically jump in his chair when he realized she was trans. So awesome. I guess all these people think of when they think of trans is people that are not yet passing.

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

I love how you people are happy that others are manipulated to see someone who are not what they are. Do you expect these same people to be lied to if they pursue a relationship with these people, only to find out they were “once a man” at the last minute? You can hate an individual, but you’re leading down a path of lies and manipulation because you want to finally have that man you could never get. Bloody pathetic….

[@Sach966]

@@malbasedvalentine3210 lmao this is the funniest read. Wearing make-up is manipulation too, manipulating others into seeing us how we want to be is like, buck standard human behaviour. If you're in a serious relationship with someone and don't disclose that you're trans, that's fucked. But if you're this worried about using pronouns, that's just funny dude

[@CiaranP.McCarthy]

@@malbasedvalentine3210 Dudes who get chicks, cis or trans, never whine like this.

[@ViralVideos-wp5cz]

Need the clip yo 🤣🤣

[@RealmRabbit]

In defense of trans women with beards, Destiny has made the argument that being trans is something you are, you do not become it as soon as you choose to identify as it... Following this point, a trans woman might have a beard because 1. They've not started transitioning. 2. They're not open about being trans (some trans women will grow beards because they are paranoid about others finding out they're trans and so it's sort of a thing you do just to throw people off of suspecting it. Kinda like cheating where you have this big secret and you're EXCEPTIONALLY worried others can tell despite there not being much evidence.) 3. Maybe there's some social situation or anxiety getting in the way. Something holding them back from shaving and doing so consistently (since a lot of them can't go and get laser hair removal for one reason or another, but a big one being costs). Personally I think being trans is more about who you are as a person and whether you have the qualia of being trans (generally coming packaged with a sense of dysphoria, honestly that might be the only true component of the qualia)... Rather than just some label you chose to adopt and become one day, or how you look which can be held back by so many different kinds of anxieties or just being poor... A person who doesn't have that significant amount of qualia that they are trans, yet nonetheless has the money to make themselves appear like a woman, is not 'more trans' then a person with an intense qualia coupled with a strong dysphoric feeling which they cannot do anything about because maybe they're just poor... And there can be a lot of problems too with the self-ID, which I think is just the best way you can handle the uncertainty of being able to tell who is trans given you cannot analyze another person's conscious experiences... It's not perfect or ideal, but it's what we got... At least for people outside of yourself... For you as a person it's a bit different since you should be aware of what you've experienced, you just need to make sense of it... And when it comes to washrooms I'll also state that North America is garbage with their infrastructure regarding this... European countries have like actual stalls where you can't see anything, North American stalls it's generally super easy to see into should you ever wish to take the risk in doing so... One dumb student did it to me when I was in elementary school... Same sex as me... The problem isn't who is going into these bathrooms, ones that everyone can go into are fine and you have same sex attractions anyhow, the actual problem is that the stalls leave so much open...

[@Idkcandy]

It's really sad that nuance like this will get bogged down. Well said.

[@Alias_Reign]

I don't think the problem is Taftaj needs to touch grass, I think these online communities need to touch grass.

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

tomato tomahto

[@Dogan_TM]

Well, one's more likely than the other. Taf is way more likely to go out than any of those psychotic circlejerks are and, honestly, she deserves it more than them.

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@Dogan_TM You don't realize how sad and toxic this mindset is? People don't normally think this much about the lives of people who are a minor annoyance to them online

[@mattreigada3745]

I don’t think she’s wrong that it isn’t an uncommon or crazy position that many if-not-most people probably think most trans women are not passable. However I do disagree with the actual substance of that assertion, as I think most people fundamentally lack the data to make that assessment without bias. For sake of argument we could imagine that 99% of trans women were passable. This would still mean that the only trans women who were visible in daily life were the 1% who were not passable. It seems reality here would always bias that conclusion, even when it would be extremely untrue.

[@nameisbad]

I actually appreciate Taftaj a lot after she appeared on a previous dest stream, she's going through a lot and I tuned into one of her streams where the community basically shat on her because she questioned anything. It's sad as she's really smart imo and there's no way the trans subject in general is "solved" there's so much still trying to be found out, figured out, worked out, etc Questions are healthy. On this there is no one way or the highway. Right now compared to when I met trans people irl like fifteen years ago, I feel like the current movement is trash and does more damage than good for trans people. Like I feel like there is offline lgbtq and online lgbtq and what determines good from bad is the "online/offline" part. Offline people are really nice, level headed, the online lgbtq I don't even think are mostly made of lgbtq people, they are just toxic people, attention seekers, saboteurs, hateful people mostly. It's really sad, I know a few people who have untransitioned simply because of the shock they got from being part of the online side of things amongst other things.

[@cynicalgothbrit2352]

Honestly, I feel all modern movements are the same way it's just purist orthodoxy, popularity cult of personality contests and just rampant narcissism. When we stop treating people like political statistics the better

[@lizzy6333]

29:58 most cis people would call trans women clockable because they only notice those, when people think of plastic surgery they think of the worst possible cases because they are the visible ones.

[@aidan5715]

Put her on a debate with demon mama

[@theprofesionalist7927]

That's not fair...she would destroy demon mama!XD

[@SocDemNate]

How about no.

[@owenhasnofrends]

Or nick Fuentes on trans issues

[@HIGHUP619]

I might be wrong but I think she tried to reach out for a debate

[@Dogan_TM]

DemonMama deserves to fizzle out like the nothingburger she is instead of turn into a lolcow. ...Well, more of one than she already is.

[@thisisaname2250]

Seems really weird that a person who is as 100% passable appearance wise and who makes much of their living off their beauty as Taftaj, would tell trans women they don't need to transition and that she wishes she wouldn't have transitioned as early as she did. If she didn't she would look no where near as good as she does now which would definitely hurt that onlyfans money she brings in and the online presence she has. Just doesn't make much sense. Kind of just seems like a reactionary take from disliking a lot of the twitter terminally online trans community as opposed to something she ACTUALLY believes if she thought about it for more than a few seconds.

[@Idkcandy]

Yeah, it's pretty funny when youre in a position to transition at 14, then proceed into your early adulthood to get dolled up with makeup and surgeries, start a living off internet clout and OnlyFans, and then proceeded to rage bait and tell trans people their goal doesn't matter in the most glib manner possible. I know she means well: she's a good conversationalist too, but it's obvious where she comes from. She obviously had a good ticket in life, minus the dysphoria. The average trans person's life would be hell to her, though, which is the reality that makes her seem disingenuous at times. Especially in this vid.

[@mellowtron214]

*Taft is the most passing trans woman I’ve ever seen. It’s kind of wild really.*

[@mellowtron214]

A pretty big part of me is convinced that if trans people had some 3rd world type problems, (starvation, war, agricultural lifestyle; a bad harvest and waning reserves) all of these self centric, internal issues would go far on the back burner. I could be wrong, but this is always the feeling I get. This was one of the issues I had with The Last Of Us 2, the trans kid who was born in a mushroom zombie hell world, knowing no other reality, under the thumb of a theocratic cult that kills members for minor crimes, in a world where this kid has NEVER SEEN ANOTHER TRANS/LGBT person ever and has no mental or even linguistic conception for these things…? It just seemed super odd, and a piece of our society being transplanted in to this foreign society and the writers pretend it makes sense. But the idea that this kid would rather risk death and put their family that was left behind at risk of punishment by the cult, all to try and what is functionally inventing transgenderism n this world. Seems like there are much much much much much much much much much much MUCH greater issues at hand, and being so caught up with your own internal confusion and relatively trivial whims, just doesn’t make any sense in light of insane people trying to murder everyone you know, and zombies consuming the planet. I’d be curious to see how transgenderism manifests relative to income. Are there many Sudanese trans people? Are there more trans folks in wealthier societies? My guess should be clear by my comment. But that makes it seem like it’s not this brick wall that cannot he overcome or dismantled. You need a different struggle to divert your energy, or some shit like that. But I could be wrong and maybe no matter the environment and situation, a trans person will feel this innate need to overcome dysphoria on a battlefield or plane crash.

[@mellowtron214]

Also, wasn’t there some study that found younger people who identified as trans, if not given treatment, have a *90% DESISTANCE RATE? So you can cure 90% of trans feelings in young people BY DOING NOTHING?* Maybe I misunderstood the study or those reporting on it did so inaccurately, but that seems like something else is going on. A slightly offensive question, is there any trans folks out there that, instead of trying to affirm their internal gender gravity, instead try and deny that an affirm their external gender? I’d be curious to know if there is any treatment which seeks to get rid of dysphoria by affirming the persons biological sex, over their internal gender, as that seems like it would be WAAAAY fucking easier than transitioning. Instead of transitioning; trying to not be trans to begin with sort of thing. Somehow, in all the convos I’ve had and witnessed; I cannot think of a singular time this was brought up. Therapy to make trans people identify with their bio sex instead of affirm their internal gender. You get it. I’d be curious to know if that’s a thing and I’ve just never heard of it.

[@mk2_suprr]

should check out abyxxalwaifu

[@mellowtron214]

Destiny is 100% correct, in that the use of pronouns is not about respect and autonomy, I think it’s literally, genuinely, just a virtue signal. I listen to YMS’ podcast and the Sardonicast boys all use “They/Them” when referring to Ezra Miller in a discussion I’d how Ezra is a complete scum fuck. I don’t respect his fuck shit pronouns, I don’t want to be heard signaling virtue in his favor, so I’d never call Ezra a “they/them”, but Yms and his podcast mates all used Miller’s preferred pronouns, when they haven’t heard from Miller’s mouth that this is his wish, and when referring to him without him being present. I found it super fucking cringe. That guy who did some terrorist shit a few months ago and then identified as “They/Them” as a seeming troll, was not being honored by all the pro-trans folks. The pundits and commenters even said so overtly, “he’s a murderer, he’s a troll, he’s not trans, he’s not non-binary, I’m not using his pronouns.” Hence, it’s a virtue signal with some alliance flagging peppered in there. People who accept claims that Ezra Miller wanrs they then, and use it henceforth, will not accept the murderers pronouns and rejects using them. That says something. Not sure what, but something.

[@keall82]

Check out kayopolice

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Fantastic debate by these two women.

[@LevtNow]

stupid joke, do better

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@LevtNow bro, it’s the internet, it’s not that serious. This isn’t the Comedy Club ya chucklefuck.

[@LevtNow]

@@MMAGamblingTips Indeed then stop posting cringe.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@LevtNow Dude, you have a pfp of Denton along with a hundred thousand other people which is the most bot thing on SM, and you have the audacity to call me cringe? 👌 I noticed you deleted your OG comment too. 🤣

[@LevtNow]

@@MMAGamblingTips no it is from Deus Ex

[@carlosanthony4972]

I definitely understand what she means when she says trans women don't pass. Maybe at a glance or over the course of a short casual conversation really feminine trans women can pass 100%. But over the course of longer conversations and you begin to look at them for longer periods of time you begin to notice things like bigger hands or broader shoulders or their voices things to never take note of on a biological woman but you can't help but notice on trans women.

[@serenc]

Unless you’re actively trying to clock someone i don’t know why you’d be looking at their shoulders and hands and thinking they are those of a man.

[@carlosanthony4972]

@@serenc You normally notice those details about biological women you just forget them right away because you see what you expect to see. When you see something out of the ordinary like a woman with really big hand or surprisingly broad shoulders you can't help but notice it.

[@MarigoldAW]

@@serenc The idea that you won't notice any abnormalities whatsoever about a person when speaking to them face to face is inane lol. You are either not perceptive at all or lying.

[@cortster12]

@@serenc Becsuse that's the way put brains work? They're evolved to detect subtle differences in people, and subconsciously at that. It's why it's very easy to tell when something is off. It triggers the uncanny valley.

[@Slembi]

This channel is getting better uploads than the main channel. What's going on?

[@ReiStormie]

Truuuu

[@TheTTrueNoxian]

Honestly, I just can't agree with transitioning as a child.

[@HoloTWWOriginal]

As you shouldn't

[@nfrankiksa4596]

congrats, you're a sane person

[@krob8388]

That's the problem with our society. You almost say it apologetically because you want to be respectful and understand where they are coming from. You probably don't want to be attacked for your opinion. However, it should be obvious that children shouldn't transition, yet crazies on the far left want to call people transphobic for saying so, even if you support other trans issues. Crazy times we live in where it's not longer about progress as a society, but warping reality.

[@toxicwaltz0863]

Me too.. never ever will I agree with that

[@ELA._.BORATED]

Im Trans, neither can i

[@xeroeddie]

I didn't know she was trans until it was brought up on some panel. Watched the whole first talk with her and Destiny and didn't have a clue.

[@stevennixon6930]

Just remember you can always pass as a British woman💜

[@alexdex9439]

What does this mean 😂

[@stevennixon6930]

@@alexdex9439 that bri'ish birds, especially rural older ones, are rough as fuck and some biological females that identify as such look like biological males (I'm British I just don't make the rules)

[@badrequest5596]

35:00 what destiny said here reminds me of the clip of a trans person karen wanting the manager of some store (forgot what it was) to affirm their internal view of themselves without telling the manager what that was "tell me how you want to be addressed and i'll address you like that" "you tell me what i look like" "i don't know how you want to be referred, you'll have to tell me" "no, you have to tell me what i am" and went on like this for a while, refusing to say what they wanted to be referred to and expecting the other person to telepathically know. it's possible they were also just baiting for outrage since they clearly looked like a man

[@TheMikej345]

Lol Ive seen her and destiny talk numerous times. I had zero idea she was trans until today.

[@swampysix9375]

I’d like to see Destiny talk to Hunter Avallone about this. Hunter tries to mask his circular definition of woman, but he says time and time again that self perception is the only thing that holds any weight.

[@Ms10000123]

I have a trans friend who doesn't pass in the slightest, at a level where you wouldn't even doubt that she's male. She seems to get a depressive episode every time a stranger addresses her as 'jongeman' (polite term which translates to 'young man' in English). Passing wouldn't solve all her issues, but it would help so much with her day-to-day life if she gave it a real try.

[@Redcloudsrocks]

your friend should self reflect and accept reality first, THEN look into whatever else comes next, otherwise it's just burying it deeper

[@Ms10000123]

@@Redcloudsrocks I agree, but it seems like transition for her is like an escapist fantasy. Accepting reality seems diametrically opposed to what she is doing, blaming the outside world for every hardship and not taking any responsibility for her situation.

[@grahamrskelly6042]

One problem I have with Destiny Is he makes statements like "the left says... (Often something he disagrees with)" yet he says he is on the left. He should know "the left" is not a block, also trans people are not a block

[@HoloTWWOriginal]

There's people on the left and then theres leftists. I would say destiny is center-left or maybe a little further. I think he's talking about people that are really far left.

[@davidd7201]

Feels dishonest. She passing and resents what she had to do to get there and is now downplaying the positive impacts of it. She should imagine what emotional state she would be in if she had done nothing. If her response is significantly worse then she needs to kindly stfu.

[@Idkcandy]

Pay-to-win playthrough tend to give little satisfaction. That's totally up for the player to decide in the end.

[@ripley2995]

I find it’s very common for humans to look at their path in life with a negative outlook. Grass is always greener or something.

[@XSRVX_01]

While I agree with plenty of the things she says. She has so much passing privelege, especially since she managed to start at 14, that this can easily come off as condescending. She should understand that dysphoria makes it near unbearable to not think about passing all the time. Thats part of how we got to the standard we have Edit: I feel she hardly has the right to say how much transitioning helped her, because she never had a male puberty!

[@Schinken_]

12:00 Passing off as a woman almost always refers to the perspective of others, but when you have body disphoria it's about self-perception. It can help if others see you as the gender you want, but ultimately there is still the problem of knowing that you are not the biological gender you would like to be. Also, one must not forget that many trans people not only have body disphoria but also other mental health problems. She means here that you should first deal with the mental health problems and then maybe start a transformation if you still see it as necessary. At least that's how I understand her and I can only agree with her. I think we place far too much value on the wrong thing, namely the outside, as we do so often. Especially since not all who have body dysphoria are really trans. They may have other problems that manifest themselves in developing body dysphoria and thinking that they are trans. If you listen to stories from ditransitioner, you quickly realize that they were motivated to transition far too quickly even though they were not trans. Instead of talking to psychologists and co. I have no problem with trans people and from the age of 18 it is everyone's own decision, but I see it critically when it comes to children or preventing puberty. A lot changes in puberty, the hormonal balance and many other things, things that can also lead to you seeing the world differently than before. I also see it critically that in tiktok videos and generally on the internet it is said very quickly that someone is trans. classic example you like to play things that the opposite sex usually plays or you like to wear their clothes you like make-up as a boy etc. then you are trans. This leads to young people with various problems believing that they are trans or being pushed in the direction. Especially in women there is still the aspect of testosterone, I read an article a few months ago that testosterone can probably have an effect similar to that of antidepressants. I have to say that you always have to be careful with studies because there are unfortunately a lot of bad or inconclusive studies on all sides. So I don't know how reliable the study is but if it's true it may be that teenage girls get and take testosterone themselves, then after a few weeks they think it's the right thing to do because they're a lot happier. as I said if the study is correct. 16:40 whe dont even have that for biological man and woman so its unfortunately pretty unrealistic that we get that for Trans people in the near future.

[@dontforgettolike7127]

At least she didn’t dye her hair blue.

[@Kool212]

Even some cis women don’t pass 100% of the time.

[@alexdex9439]

😂😂😂 thats the difference we never doubt when its actually a woman. The human brain is highly adapted to be able to tell the difference.

[@Kool212]

@@alexdex9439 This is bs and you know it. Plenty of people get mistaken for the wrong gender. Skinny dude with long hair, tomboys and etc.

[@alexdex9439]

@@Kool212 Look you can have doubts but if you had to guess you'd be right 99% of the time. Which is why trans people get so butt hurt about passing cos we can always sus them out even when we can just tell that something is off. Even with the gender bender in the video, his voice is just a bit uncanny so it feels like something is wrong.

[@veespa_]

I don’t know if it’s inappropriate to ask, but I’ve always wanted to know. Why does Taf always do that thing with her mouth?

[@kabelomakanatlengsundra456]

U and me both, brother.

[@hasseo1]

No clue Shoot from the hip guess? Might help her centre herself to maintain feminine mannerisms. Might've started doing it as a touchstone when she was first practicing and it stuck.

[@Eldinarcus]

Wtf is that puffer fish face she keeps doing every 10 seconds lmao

[@lydiawilder5996]

Because her actual issues are not with dysphoria but dysmorphia, she's a navelgazing onlyfans sex worker, clearly her mental health issues from being kind of narcissistic

[@dolph3578]

No need for this comment tbh

[@Eldinarcus]

@@dolph3578 I agree, so delete your comment

[@dolph3578]

@@Eldinarcus lol its like ppl wake up and just need to put out hostile energy into the world I dont get it

[@Eldinarcus]

@@dolph3578 You wouldn't get it.

[@NivaOranir]

Taftaj: you need dysphoria to be trans (which means wanting to pass and be seen as the right gender) also taftaj (someone who got on HRT super early and for sure passes in others eyes): you don't need to pass :) a lot of her takes are for shit stirring and to troll because she finds most trans people cringe. I wish Destiny got some other trans women to talk to on stream other than taftaj shes an outlier as much as neo pronoun supporters. Yes all the neo pronoun stuff is cringe like over half the trans community agrees but theres so much other shit going on with legislation thats more interesting to talk about or just to have more moderate conversations other than full blare white or full neo pronoun gender abolitionist. Most of us just want to transition to feel good in our own bodies and just move on with our lives finally then have this huge thing hanging over us. A lot of us can't get the proper care and having legislation proposed against us in a lot of different states right now so conversations about "just don't transition or pass lol" is really aggravating which I guess is her goal.

[@aguspuig6615]

Someday maybe trough some advancements in tech and biology, all trans women will have it as easy as Destiny, the most easily femenine name

[@kingryan69]

Its funny that destiny is talking about how bad self id has become , I was banned on his discord for literally saying self id was nonsense. I was deemed transphobic and banned by his bot admins lol

[@Car-qu2bc]

All trans identity is self id, when you boil it down.

[@souljaboyisbad]

When was this? I know he's changed his views to bring more transmed over time

[@noahh232]

@@Car-qu2bc Would you say the same thing about depression, anxiety, and other mental illnesses? Technically the only person that knows is yourself but being trans has a clear indication where we feel a complete disconnect even from a young age. The only reason people make a mistake and detrans later on is because of how mainstream nonbinaries and non dysphoric "trans" people have became.

[@Car-qu2bc]

@@noahh232 "Would you say the same thing about depression, anxiety, and other mental illnesses?" For the most part, yes. However i think saying "i have this mental issue" (as much contempt as i have for self id), is different from saying "I feel like a man trapped in a womans body". Essentially, we're expected to see and treat these people as men because they claim to feel like men. This is what i mean by self-id. Also, i think people are now making mistakes and detransing now because being trans is 1) being treated as trendy. Atleast amongst young people and 2) transitioning was never a good long-term solution for their underlying mental issues to begin with.

[@NoName-ym5zj]

I had no idea who Taftaj is walking into this and I had no idea she was trans. It's always the ones that pass perfectly who talk about how passing doesn't matter.

[@Kayzewolf]

She 110% passes. I initially though Destiny was going to talk to a CIS woman about how the trans community hates him.

[@demon3203]

In regards too the whole thing about "passing" or not. What i truly don't understand most of all is this needing to be viewed a certain way by society as whole. Why are trans people walking around saying they are transitioning for themselves so that they can finally feel comfortable in their body and then aggressively look outwards to others perceptions of them. Even sometimes snapping and yelling at people for misgendering them. Based on actions and statements from the outside looking in it just looks like trans people are often times just lying to themselves about being comfortable after transition or whatever. Which sucks because i don't want anyone to go through lengthy surgeries and all type of things just to chase validation from others. Everyone who lives life like that trans or not are often times extremely depressed because you will never please and be accepted by everyone and some people will even hate your guts for actually no reason at all.

[@asherscott3151]

I am a trans man who passes decently, and I've been harrassed and talked down to on trans issues by a "she/they" non-binary woman who literally said she identified as NB (but not trans) because people on online forms mistook her for a man due to her "masculine behavior". Fml men assume everyone they talk to online is a man. Anyone with a hint of masculine experience would know this

[@jsgdk]

Its kind of a dilemma between no one knowing who the f they are before going through puberty and puberty being a real issue for some people who want to pass and the genital issues that needs puberty. Puberty blockers are probably a horrible idea in almost all situations.

[@Sunnywastakentoo]

Puberty blockers are a big maybe. If you had a trans child at around 12, you’d 100% want to give them access to puberty blockers. If you’re not sure if they’re trans, then it starts getting messy.

[@sandworm9528]

@@Sunnywastakentoo but noone is born trans, so how could you 'know' when it's always a guess

[@Sunnywastakentoo]

@@sandworm9528 we don’t yet know if anyone is born trans. And yeah, right now it’s difficult to discern if someone is actually trans at a young age but more work could fix that. And actually the first sentence isn’t entirely right. It seems pretty likely there are people born trans as we have examples of very young children demonstrating gender dysphoria.

[@sandworm9528]

@@Sunnywastakentoo we do know. Gender is a social construct, like money. When people are born rich it's not intrinsic to them, it is a function of the current social relations that they are born into

[@Sunnywastakentoo]

@@sandworm9528 okay I guess you’re technically right, but it seems there are people who immediately upon becoming gendered experience gender dysphoria

[@badatgames2797]

"There can be something nice that feels nice about the social nicity" what a poet 👌 37:15

[@darkangelazure]

Anyone else getting irritated by the mouth pouting, flipping hair & posing from Taft. Just keep still! Bloody annoying.

[@gavinclements482]

I think it might be an insecurity. It seems like everytime she catches herself smiling or after she talks she readjusts her face.

[@Theramanix]

didn't really have a reason to watch this since i'm not too big on this kind of topic but the thumbnail gave me 2 reasons why i should watch it

[@AyakaVR]

i had no idea they were trans

[@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632]

Really? You could tell her features are bigger like males. On pictures they might not pass to men but women can tell and irl they can’t pass at all.

[@steinsberry1789]

@@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632 Stop meat watching homie

[@More_Row]

It's the voice

[@env0x]

i think she might be really tall irl but she passes good on stream

[@raneenah3240]

@@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632 You delude yourself by saying you can tell. Taftaj took puberty blockers and never went through a male puberty. Her features are on par(if not better) than a cis woman.

[@gogmaziosfuse1151]

Thank you someone who doesn't look at the smaller picture

[@nokiot9]

If you transition and largely pass but still feel dysphoric, ive got bad news, it’s dysmorphia

[@MsHojat]

_Probably_ yes, however I think from the bit I watched of this that Taf isn't feeling dysphoric -assuming that is even what you're referring to. They just are irked that they can't _always_ avoid being recognized as trans despite passing as female. And while some of that might be natural, some of it is also probably unhealthy (regardless of whether it's natural or not). I didn't see the whole video though, so she could have more dysphoria/dysmorphia than I saw.

[@bkmessiah1068]

Hate is such a strong word; I doubt they hate you; it might be the opposite since we never seen Destiny date a Transgender person.

[@RadosławŚwiątkowski-j1e]

As someone who used to have gender dysphoria, the entire idea of transitioning before 18 is terrible. Let me explain. When I was a kid I envied women, something led me to think that I should be a woman, I looked up to women more, I liked a lot of girly activities like make up and stuff, my parents never let me do that. When I was 14 I realized that I had gender dysphoria and read a bunch of articles and stuff online as well as some youtube videos and none of them said that this is curable. Mental health specialists over the year even in eastern europe have stepped away from trying to help their patients. More and more kids are being put on hormones. If my parents were pro transitioning, I would've had my life ruined. At the age of 20 I stopped having dysphoria completely which still affects me to this day, because I haven't had any normal life experience in 6 years. I laid in my bed everyday, didn't go outside, had the darkest thoughts and waking up from this nightmare made me realize that transitioning should be the absolute last resort in treating dysphoria and the propaganda that you see online is the main cause of the issue.

[@cheapypeepy9150]

"Gender" dysphoria is a misnomer. It has fuck all to do with gender. Dysphoria is the distress transsexuals feel over their sex being at odds with what their brain expects. Ie feeling like you're born in the wrong body. Looking up to women or enjoying "girly" activities is by no means cause for transition

[@skirtgobrr2415]

As a counter. My I'm 27 and started transition at 25. I've known since I was 6 that I feel like I'm in the wrong body and that I could function better as a girl. (didn't know what transgender meant at this point). Due to these feelings I literally did not care about how my life went as a man, so as soon as I started puberty I was basically a broken person. All I wanted was to be invisible and hide infront of computers where I didn't think about life. If I knew about transition as an option back then I 100% would have taken it and I more than likely would have been able to act like a functioning human from a younger age. These 2 years since transition have improved my quality of life in literally every aspect from mental health, the people around me, finance, education are all better. I don't know what happened to you at 20 but that's something that is very rare considering I haven't seen any other cases like that. I can't imagine how a foundational mismatch in a brain and body can just vanish like that

[@RadosławŚwiątkowski-j1e]

@@cheapypeepy9150 Yeah that's a couple things i forgot to mention. I've had "all" symptons of gender dysphoria basically. Me, who was lucky to not transition and fuck ton of other detrans people just grow out of it. I don't see a reason to not consider dysphoria curable when it clearly is.

[@RadosławŚwiątkowski-j1e]

@@skirtgobrr2415 I couldn't imagine that it could just vanish as well, but it gradually stopped over the span of a year. The detrans community is the testimony of gender dysphoria being curable in some cases. Personally I think that most cases are curable, but that's just a wild guess based on personal experience. I do believe that some trans people should have transitioned if they already tried anything else like therapy and stuff. And especially when they're older than 20. All things aside I'm happy that u made the right decision, but I just hope that you all can take my experience into consideration as I'm only sharing this story to try to save people.

[@skirtgobrr2415]

@@RadosławŚwiątkowski-j1e It could be many things. It's also possible for people to think they have gender dysphoria when it's actually something else manifesting in a different way. Not saying you didn't have it of course, but there's for sure lots of detrans people who transitioned because they either didn't know them self or did not do enough research

[@Erinyes5711]

I am a liberal and I have to say that is the one thing that frustrates me is that the left does not take sexual orientation seriously. I am BI and I just get treated by the lgbtq like a fuck boi or demonized by the right and the Christian community. Also because I am different and don’t like to participate in hook up culture I am not gay enough. Also I genuinely don’t want a relationship and no matter even if I do all the right things people get insecure and cross boundaries and they think that as BI guy that all that we want to do is sleep around. This is problem there is to much toxic positivity and people are using it to ignore there own issues and others. Everyone says to speak your truth but at the end of the day no one listens and use lgbtq as doctrine instead of understanding there as a spectrum of different people.

[@mcbean1]

if passing is not the goal, then what's the point of it?

[@missylarsson3517]

To alleviate gender dysphoria.

[@noahh232]

The goal of transitioning is to pass. The goal of being trans? Well.. there is not goal, you're either born trans or not

[@missylarsson3517]

@@noahh232 Look, the discomfort a trans person feels with their birth sex is called gender dysphoria. The point is not to pass per se - the point is to alleviate the psychological discomfort of gender dysphoria and in many countries transitioning is considered healthcare and is a way of helping the individual get over this extreme psychological discomfort. Passing can help since this means the people interacting with the trans individual will not misgender them - which can trigger the dysphoria and the alienating feeling trans people often feels towards what they perceive as a gender other than their own. However as pointed out in this discussion - passing is not a fix all for alleviating the dysphoria. Many trans people will still feel very bad about their bodies - even after transitioning. It is not a fix all or a linearly declining issue, it can come in waves and it goes up and down even though many individuals do seem to be helped by transitioning. Taft’s point is that most trans people also, or maybe primarily, need therapy to alleviate dysphoria, surgeries on their own is not enough.

[@kidtytus3014]

Wait that pronoun take from Destiny, He came around to what I have been always thinking. First time hearing him verbalise it.

[@evilkonkarne74]

I guess I am blind she passes to me

[@malibération]

Same.

[@rherd]

She is more passing. But things like voice, height, broadness etc aren’t gonna pass as well in general. But I think that’s literally her point

[@raydare2002]

He might pass in the first couple moment you meet him, but then its easy to know something is off. Like the weird voice

[@Sue_Me_Too]

I'm pretty sure that's what "passing" means. First couple times I saw (heard) her I thought she was just a heavy smoker.

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@raydare2002 What motivates you to lie about this?

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

Destiny as a college student I can confirm that the only people my age are nonbinary women. It's a weird time to be elive.

[@canadianturtle7240]

They hate her because she actually looks good, let's be honest. Meanwhile most of the chronically-ill online trans community looks like a random generated character.

[@lydiawilder5996]

What childhood trauma led you to be this toxic to people you've never met?

[@lydiawilder5996]

She's literally stupid as fuck, she is in the top 0.001% of trans people in terms of cis passing and beauty standards. Her feelings and dysphoria are valid of course, but her having mega brainworms doesn't mean she actually failed by any metric. The reason trans people hate her is because even though she is top 0.001% of cis passing trans woman, she uses her own brainworms as an excuse to tell other trans people they shouldn't transition/should stop transitioning. She's literally built like a fucking mewtwo, she has no place to talk about her not meeting anyone's standards.

[@canadianturtle7240]

@@lydiawilder5996 Ah, you've proven my point. So it is "jealousy" from where the rage stems from.

[@canadianturtle7240]

@@lydiawilder5996 The trans community is filled with some of the most catty and disgusting human beings I've ever encountered. I don't need to know them in real life to understand who they are. I already have a good idea of who they are based off how they act towards other people with opposing views as them. They are over-entitled children who feel they deserve everyone else's validation. They constantly have the "i'm the main character of the world" attitude and it bothers me. Even Vaush says that he hates the online LGBT community LOL. Even your own thought leaders admit to how socially repulsive they are.

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@canadianturtle7240 It's not jealousy, it's pointing out hypocrisy. Sometimes you have to be mean to someone for them to understand that their frame of mind is wrong. You should try to understand people who's perspectives you don't understand rather than attacking them. I am not personally jealous of Taf, I don't want to look like she does, I like who I am and what I look like, and there is nobody I'd rather be than myself. I'm just pointing out that she is uncommon among uncommon cis passing trans women, and she is extremely wealthy and privelaged so she can't just push her experience and ideals onto everyone else.

[@bansheewv89]

It sounds like her standard on passing is kinda high. Especially with how she was talking about herself. Would’ve never guessed she was trans. She pretty gorgeous actually.

[@nokiot9]

She absolutely passes. I had no idea till they said something.

[@Jr.BaconCheese]

Infront of a camera all dolled up for the webcam.

[@MsHojat]

Sure, but like she said, she set up camera/viewing angle, and prepared body and make-up for the appearance. Without preparation it is likely not as perfect.

[@nokiot9]

@@MsHojat I’m pretty sure if I met her in person I wouldn’t be able to tell by just looking.

[@nokiot9]

@@MsHojat also I have zero problem calling someone by their chosen pronoun if they put so much obvious effort into trying to pass, and succeed at it.

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@MsHojat She is just self critical, she's wrong about that

[@bigben3089]

It’s too bad the clips channels release all of Destiny’s good content before his actual channels do. I already watched this whole conversation yesterday.

[@AssailantLF]

I think it's a trade-off that Destiny has thought about and is willing to make. Sure, he loses some views to the clip channels, but it also acts as a sort of free advertisement to expand his brand. And if a particular clip channel really pops off, he could also offer to hire them for their talents. That's actually how August (the current channel editor) got hired, I think.

[@donttreadonme4394]

You can tell in the appearance but you can def tell from the voice

[@JordanHh]

God Taft is so hot I mean good debate destiny

[@baban5939]

Is a boy

[@hokey9175]

If anything, much love to the trans community. Y'all have a lot to handle.

[@devontolly1596]

Gay

[@freddieoblivion6122]

Passing on a screen seems to be the main goal - all things done in the pursuit of views, clicks, and likes. Im a bit older and I can remember - NO ONE was talking about this before what, 7 years ago? The left's obsession with hierarchies and power differentials also contributes. Think about the difference in influence between a pretty girl and the average man. A pretty girl is super powerful on social media, and many seek that power. They don't realize that it actually DOES corrupt you eventually.

[@typhoidmary2967]

the trans community hating you probably means you're doing something right tbf

[@lydiawilder5996]

Why?

[@typhoidmary2967]

@@lydiawilder5996 from experience online trans communities are incredibly toxic and care far more how you identify politically than anything else.

[@ibot2157]

Whether or not you care about disrespecting something is purely base on your politics and the person doing the disrespecting, it's simple tribalism.

[@BPOOP1000]

I feel some trans women are more obsessed with looking feminine than even some cis women. We always thaught little girls to accept their bodies even if they have broad shoulders or high foreheads, there are some cis girls that do look a bit more masculine, so if we wouldn't allow these girls to alter their body to meet the perceived standard on how a "woman" should look, why do transwomen obsess over it?

[@HoloTWWOriginal]

It's their single personality trait what do you expect?

[@HoloTWWOriginal]

@@diydylana3151 damn I type one "negative" comment and you say that? Meanwhile this person expressed multiple traits of an extreme narcissist and all they ever talk about is trans related stuff and somehow that's my single personality trait? Aaawwww you poopy your pants from anger?

[@HoloTWWOriginal]

@@diydylana3151 "basically every comment thread" I've responded in maybe 4-5 and NONE of them are "invalidating trans people" Keep crying

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@HoloTWWOriginal I've counted 15

[@featherwebs]

if transwomen dont try to look feminine society murders them. if they do try to look feminine then people critique how they try too hard to look feminine.

[@gabrielpace8370]

Taftaj passes. Didn't even know she was trans until today

[@TiltschMaster]

I swear to god, I have only seen Taf on Destiny's KZbin channel before and on like two or three panels, and I had no clue she was trans until this video. I would have never clocked her in a million years. But I get how that might be hard from the inside viewpoint as trans person who is very concerned with looks and bodily features all the time. I as a cis man am not, so I don't know these signs or even if I did, I wouldn't look for them.

[@mikasasukasa4479]

the voice is a dead give away.

[@wellread8649]

Well thats one way to learn she's trans. I on the other hand hear her say months ago that she posts nudes on reddit so of course I was curious and went digging. As Palpatine once said, it was a surprise to be sure.

[@TiltschMaster]

@@mikasasukasa4479 Is it though? I know cis women with raspy voices. I just assumed she Was one of them.

[@TiltschMaster]

@@wellread8649 Haha I did not follow the bread crumbs :D

[@BillMayonaise]

@@TiltschMaster A raspy cis woman voice and a trans voice still sound incredibly different.

[@PhreakPhantom]

It's actually a badge of honor when a bunch of certified facists hate you.

[@env0x]

yayyy it's taftaj!

[@typhoidmary2967]

i used to say what destiny's saying about trans people being very different online vs irl but i'm not even sure how true that is. the only real local trans community where i'm at is super far left to the point i just avoid going near them bc i know i'm gonna piss someone off if i haven't already. i'd rather just hang around with cis people.

[@dickjohnson8983]

ya its always the acab crowd in my area at least. might just be the places i go though

[@kevinross6235]

A better way of putting it would be "trans people who are terminal online and into politics are different from trans people who aren't terminal online or too much into politics" because I think that's what makes them different. And I guess on which side of the politics they are also matters

[@typhoidmary2967]

@@kevinross6235 yea fair. tbf when i meet other trans people through work rather than online they tend to be more sane.

[@branchie8979]

2:57 i think she passes and looks cute to boot idk

[@1x93cm]

transwomen are men. Just because there is a qualifier in front of it doesn't change what it is. I think that's what people have an issue with.

[@MandosCulture]

INCREDIBLE INTRO Destiny, quality conversations

[@555aboud]

Man it's crazy that Americans (and westerns in general) are so comfortable in their lives that such issues like those discussed in the video are worthy to make a 1 hour video talking about it. Damn

[@carbondory]

I'm not that far into the video, but so far it's been a lot talk related to mental health. I don't know think that means Americans are very comfortable if we are talking about mental health problems.

[@Idkcandy]

Does that make everyone in the international audience "comfortable" as well for having an hour to sit and listen to this? Or do humans spend most of their time doing bullshit? Idk...

[@domie07]

I loved her, hope she becomes a regular.

[@anap1680]

Tbh if the trans community hates you, then youre prolly doin something right

[@ogolthorp]

The online trans community at least. I feel like real life communities and groups have more grounded opinions in general.

[@lydiawilder5996]

The majority of all trans people that exist are "online trans people" because the internet is the only way marginalized communities can have a major voice in the world. To characterize millions of people in such a way is extremely self centered and ignorant.

[@drick69420]

This isn't true I'm a man who identifies as a trans man and I love destiny

[@Nicknoramus]

Taft's arguments in the beginning seem to defeat the whole idea of transitioning at all. Why go through all of that if the goal isn't to look like the other sex?

[@yorgfigure6164]

how does taftaj think she doesnt pass all the time i had no idea she was trans and i watch destiny allll the time.

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

She's fishing for compliments and reassurance. It happens a lot in these communities

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@CharlieKellyEsq It could also be that trans people have a keener eye for this than cis people. So I may not be able to tell, but the average trans woman can because they have essentially trained themselves to identify trans people lol

[@liyanqil]

@@CharlieKellyEsq 🤡 mind reader here