Destiny Frustrates Redpill Expert

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[@nixon4731]

Guys it's really important that we straighten out the definitions for the made up movie pills

[@LoLchilled09]

And don't you just love it when a lot of people that use terms like "red/blue pill" haven't even watched the damn movies?

[@younggeezer8232]

DayQuil and NyQuil are real.

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

@@younggeezer8232 underated comment

[@sathrielsatanson]

@@LoLchilled09 that;s a retarded point. I am sure that there are people that say "forbidden fruit" and they have never read the Bible. Are you angry with them?

[@LoLchilled09]

@@sathrielsatanson I like to compare it to 1984 and the people that never read the book even though they reference it everytime they get censored. Just because the reference might be similair if you take it out of context doesn't mean you're not an absolute clown for using the reference unironically.

[@alexander4566]

Would be interesting to see her say all this in front of the red pill dudes and watch them disagree with her saving them.

[@dinglemccringleberryjr.8632]

truuuu

[@MisterBadman]

She seems nice, if not super bright. Seems like she desperately wants “Redpill” to mean something, that it just doesn’t anymore. I think redpill I think Jesse Lee Peterson, Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson and Crowder. To claim there isn’t a political bent, and one that heavily leans right, is Absurd. I’d like to hear her definitive definition of Exactly what “Red Pill” is about in her mind.

[@TrollinFromFlask]

Literally just depends on who it is and that was her point.

[@glocktaviousmaximus]

@@MisterBadman I've been in the space for a long time, Andrew Tate repeated the talking points of the red pill to push his fame, the rest are tradcons and Republicans, who are trying to get men on their side since the left is heavily influenced by Feminism

[@IdwarfRedwoods]

@@MisterBadman Peterson isn’t redpill, he’s a behavioral psychologist that advises working on yourself as the main thing you can change in the world rather than blaming external forces.

[@xerxesi2648]

She really said out loud I hate when you use numbers. I’m done. 🤦‍♂️

[@Wtb_skill]

It hurt me when I heard it.

[@Jimbo5900]

"fuck the stats"

[@AdamX1124]

Come on I think it was clear what she meant when she said it. Sure she acts a little ditzy but she meant that for her she preferred it when Destiny explained concepts qualitatively rather than quantitatively. She didn’t want destiny to make up numbers for things when he could just say this thing is greater or lesser than this other thing. I don’t know much about this person but she definitely wasn’t doing the Sneako thing where she was saying all numbers are fake and come from the government

[@usucdik]

@@AdamX1124 uh, dude, he was simply doing his "that's 1, now 2..." and she said that. I wasn't sure if it was a joke or what. She is just weird.

[@Jimbo5900]

@@AdamX1124 She said this in response to Destiny numbering his points lmao

[@mikeb.7845]

She's so terrified of her own audience.

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

“Dont worry Destiny the 95% of things you hear from the biggest Red Pill creators aren’t actually Red Pill the things that I say are the actual Red Pill” 😂

[@TonyCox1351]

It’s like Sam Seder debating a libertarian

[@brandonandtom941]

If you have to laugh at your own attempt of a joke, it's usually not funny

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

@@brandonandtom941 well i guess this is the exception isnt it

[@canonhayes9330]

@@brandonandtom941 okay master of comedy

[@brandonandtom941]

@@canonhayes9330 okay master of race

[@Wtb_skill]

This could be interesting if she had anything to say at all.

[@gehrig7593]

"redpill expert" sounds like that meme "pornography historian"

[@User71956]

Isn’t that someone who just jacks it to vintage shit? Been on a 80’s binge myself.

[@domenicgalata1470]

I fancy myself a Porn Historian. A skin flick aficionado if you will. It’s a noble hobby.

[@bennymountain1]

@@User71956 No, that's someone sho can recall talents' names and when they were active. Maybe even trends or some shit. I used to work with a guy like that. He turned every off-hand porn or jaking off reference into a whole in depth porn history and nomenclature lesson.

[@nokiot9]

😂😂😂😂😂🐼

[@nokiot9]

That shit literally made me laugh- woke ppl up and then ate a bamboo chute apparently

[@yeetboiii7798]

I'm orange pilled (I take advils regularly for my gigantic headaches)

[@dawnwatching6382]

gigachad holy

[@glenrichardson8266]

Ah, Nuprin! Little. Yellow. Different.

[@waisetsubunsho7934]

Consider sleeping more and at regular hours, if you have the ability. I used to have the same problem.

[@Observette]

I take the green gel cap Advil’s.

[@paulkerrigan9857]

I drink a lot of water to help with that, but aspirin is fantastic.

[@ethan-scott]

We’re scrapin’ the bottom of the intellectual barrel and it’s only January 😢

[@allisons6910]

probably due to the non-stop factorio, he threw away his opportunity with Lex who even stopped by a couple times afterwards. Lex's catalogue would have made for excellent discussions with actual experts (as well as Lex himself).

[@usucdik]

@@allisons6910 hot take (?) here, but uh... Lex is boring af. And he is a censorship bro.

[@stevejones5075]

@@usucdik true but also probably a better convo than this girl

[@allisons6910]

@@usucdik That's a valid opinion. What about the first point re: Lex, can we agree that his catalogue of interviewees would have been a great resource for conversations or debates with experts? Personally, there are a few AI architects and CS engineers I would love to see the world view of.

[@chasmurphy1227]

he's basically pulling a ben shapiro after grilling it

[@hellshakeyano7686]

This girl is from like an alternative red pill universe

[@ANTIStraussian]

The red pill is based on the movie Total recall. The pill doesn't take you out of the simulation it's just a trick that kills you.

[@wabbitseason80085]

@@ANTIStraussian I thought it was based of the Matrix.

[@ANTIStraussian]

@@wabbitseason80085 the matrix writers took it from total recall I'm just joking around

[@Sampsonoff]

She literally called redpillers liberals, then went further and called them progressive 💀

[@chattingman6777]

@Sampsonoff the majority of Redpills are liberals/progressives. Democrats and Republicans are bluepill they push marriage nonstop. Redpill doesn't push marriage as a option.

[@PopeDope69-420]

“I hate when you use numbers.” Gurl. The numbers were 1 and 2.

[@B-Nice]

It sounded like letters were confusing her also

[@champagne4bfast]

literally 😂 what the fuk did i just watch? i couldn't look away

[@tjblackmore7863]

These women come into the community and in a matter of months they have a following and consider themselves experts. Lots of room to cash in on the grift!

[@TheKomentor]

I have problems trusting anyone who talks with a vocal fry. I also wonder why I've never seen an over*eight w*man on Destiny's streams.

[@Observette]

Oh yeah, the redpill/trad wife/modest women are ALL over this new libertarian/conservative grift. There’s about 50 versions of JustPearlyThings all over tiktok and the convincing ones are now moving to youtube too.

[@99Bobson]

"These women" Sounds like misogyny. I approve.

[@RollingCalf]

Everyone knows torsha is a grifter though. I think she is Rollo's girl. Seems she is supposed to be his avatar to Destiny.

[@Observette]

@@TheKomentorBecause he doesn’t bang the fatties. Not trying to be rude (I’m fat) just being honest. Majority of the chicks he brings on, he’s probably vetting for possible future encounters. He’s a smart guy when it comes to most issues but when it comes to women? He’s a total coomer and frankly, a bit of a simp. Bless his heart. 😂

[@jamesnite2157]

1.5 hours of "No true Redpill!"

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

More like 1.5 hours of Destiny not knowing what the redpill is.

[@kylerBD]

@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je destiny knows more about what the redpill is than any person on this platform.

[@The1Liner]

@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je or the movement is more broad and doesn't have a consensus on everything

[@currentcommerce4774]

1.5 hrs of "omg my dogs guys guys like this is so crazy i have dogs like omg"

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

@@kylerBD No he doesn't. He probably thinks Andrew Tate invented the term.

[@ryanrockwell2245]

"The mass production of streaming equipment and unfettered availability of platforms to use it on have been a disaster for the human race," or whatever it was the Unabomber said.

[@ladyvanda]

@Ryan Rockwell Did you follow Null’s reading suggestion from yesterday’s stream? 😂

[@MrMctastics]

Unabomber manifesto 10/10 -Lex Fridman

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@MrMctastics nah that would be the only thing that ever offends lex, making fun of his robot friends.

[@Rx_orcist]

@@thomaswalmsley8959 I recall Lex got pretty upset at Steven’s use of a certain gamer word. The one that’s a synonym for “remedial”

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@Rx_orcist I mean I wouldn't say lex was offended in that conversation, just saying that he thought it was unnecessary and Steven was better than that. I was just making a joke cause lex is an autist that loves his robots and doesn't like it when people trash them.

[@uNVme130]

Completely speechless by 10 minutes in. I can already see Sneako and FnF saying this is what they meant the whole time lmao

[@beastemeauxde7029]

I posted the same thing before I read your comment lol

[@906AKORN]

😂😂😂

[@xbabu142x]

This was a opium fever dream surrealistic clusterfuck lol

[@jennybtx]

Yes, but they never actually get around to saying it.

[@missinterpretation4984]

All of their fans “pRoTeCt hEr aT aLl cOsTs”

[@OldSkoolWax]

All these fucking conversations are incredibly myopic. 'Men want this", "women want this". Anyone who's read any classical fiction from Bronte to fucking Tolstoy would tell you flat out what women and men find attractive shifts through trends and how a man or a woman acts shifts through time. In the 19th century men would walk hand in hand with their friends down the street. Read Dostoyevsky and you'll find men talking about their deepest feelings to friends. Hyper masculinity started in the 20th century.

[@JD-tp6ei]

Exactly! Thank you !

[@alexf3036]

True. Emotional depth does not equal weakness.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

It's true about debunking redpill falsehoods but this still doesn't debunk blackpill facts. Still though I'll try checking out that fiction you recommended

[@bennymountain1]

Yeah. Read Dostoyevsky and try saying "Men aren't emotional" with a straight face.

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

@@danielsurvivor1372 What are some blackpill facts

[@currentcommerce4774]

nothing about this woman seems like a professional

[@frostedlambs]

She seems like a grifter who doesn't know anything but pretends to know everything and won't admit to being wrong because if she was able to do that she'd understand she doesn't know anything

[@usucdik]

@@frostedlambs She seems like she is in the middle of having 2 concurrent concussions. I don't know if this has ever not been the case for her.

[@B-Nice]

@@frostedlambs which is red pill as fuggggg

[@dip9995]

@@B-Niceyassss

[@gotworc]

@@frostedlambs lowkey i should stary grifting. Seems like theres a lot of financial gain to be had in the space and everyone seems to be able to grift hard off of it lol

[@CoachDitka]

I respect her, she won't let a little bit of brain damage stop her

[@jaydezifour988]

"I hate when you use numbers" "Fuck the stats" "Fuck the data" Kay

[@wfrencher80]

Being able to identify, process, verbalize, and express emotions or feelings is something is learned, and can be developed even in adulthood with both men and women. For me as a 38 year old black man, I was raised in a household where "I love you" wasn't said often, and we rarely talked about our feelings. I now have a 4 year old, and I remember when my son was younger he trip and fell, and he bump his head on floor. He looked up at me, and I could see that he was hurt, but I could also see that he did not wanna cry in front of me. I realized in that moment how what I said or reacted was going to influence the way my son reacted when he was hurt. So I told my son "it's ok to cry if you are hurt. And it's ok to say that you are hurt and feeling said if that's how you feel". He then started to cry, and I picked him up and gave him a hug. I never got this when I was a kid. When i got hurt my parents asked if I was ok, and that I was strong and I didn't need to cry. I've been in therapy for 3 years now, and I've just started to learn how to identify what I'm feeling, what goes on physically with my body when I'm having a certain feeling or emotion, and I've learned to verbalize those emotions to my wife. It has made me a better person as a man, a better husband to my wife, a better father to my son, and a better friend to my peers. I don't think I am weaker man for expressing my emotions or feelings. I think I've become more authentic, and I've given myself more grace to make mistakes, and not always try to be the strong one in my relationships. I highly recommend studying Plutchik's Wheel of emotions. He points out eight primary emotions: anger, anticipation, joy, trust, fear, surprise, sadness and disgust. I suggest getting good at identifying these emotions in yourself. It will help provide good information on what's going on with you mental and physical state of being.

[@beastemeauxde7029]

Same. Great to hear.

[@Eric-vh4qg]

I hate how often the conversation of men's inability to express emotions keeps getting twisted into either men crying uncontrollably, or that it's a skillset that only women are capable of. You are 100% correct, it is a learned skill that anyone of any gender can be taught. Redpill people will readily acknowledge that men express anger externally just fine, yet they immediately call out that crying uncontrollably is not good behavior. The truth of the matter is that not being able to control your anger and punching a wall is much worse than crying, and neither are healthy ways to process and express your feelings. They also refuse to talk about the fact that a lot of that anger that leads to wall punching is actually because of other unresolved feelings. For example, a man gets dumped, which makes him feels sad, hurt, betrayed and insecure. If he cannot express or internalize these feelings, and that will lead him to self-loathing and anger. Being emotionally intelligent, is a simple process that is hard to master. Just as you said, it's a matter of identifying what we are feeling, why we are feeling that way, and being able to not let that emotion get the better of our behavior so we can calmly and rationally resolve negative emotions and get more fulfillment out of positive emotions. Kudos to you for realizing you were in a vicious cycle and breaking it. I think that is a true signifier of strength.

[@chattingman6777]

I got you bro basically your a female dogwho just came out. Congrats on coming out. You played yourself.

[@wfrencher80]

@@Eric-vh4qg I appreciate your response and the kind words for me. Lately what I've been working, with the help of my individual therapist, is verbalizing my emotions out loud. So for instance, if I get annoyed (which is angry) with something Tater Tot (my wife) says, I now make an effort to tell her, "I'm annoyed at what you said to me, and I did not like the way you said that". This is very different from the way I was conditioned growing up. Usually if I have a feeling about something that someone said or did, I just internalized it, and pushed through the feeling. But my therapist told me to think of feelings as information that your body is telling you something. My therapist said that feelings aren't a sign of weakness, or something that only women have, but feelings are a way of the body communicating that something is going on internally. She said it is just like when you have to go to the bathroom. She said that we don't ignore or body's signals when it tells us that we have to pee, so why do we ignore our feelings when our body tells us we're angry or sad, or hurt or embarrassed. She said that we can pay attention to our feelings and use the information our body is giving us to identify what is going on when we're triggered, and why we get triggered when someone says something to us or does something to us. I love this idea of seeing feelings as information. It takes away this stigma that feelings are negative or a person is weak if they have emotions. So I would suggest looking at your feelings as data you can use to understand yourself better.

[@-toxicus-8582]

you a GOAT, keep your head up king!

[@akyra231]

Why is it that redpillers describing their views and redpillers describing "the redpill views" are always so wildly different from each other? It's almost like they're not honest in their engagement with this question.

[@draken5379]

Its because the matrix pill concept is cool and people just like to latch onto it because they dont have the intelligence to think for themselves. I mean, listen to this person Destiny is debating with, they are clueless. These are the kind of people that latch onto things for personal use.

[@tiquezgraham7963]

Beacuse people in ideological groups tend to...... have diffrent opinions shocking I know

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The defining feature of being a "Red Pill Guy" is NOT being a "Blue Pill Guy" "My views _must be_ 'Red Pill' because they sure as hell aren't 'Blue Pill.'" Repeat the process a couple times and you'll have yourself a diversity of thought.

[@jayburnham3994]

Yea its a silly back and forth. I consider destiny red pilled even though he doesn't follow the talking points.

[@jjQlLlLq]

@@jayburnham3994 He did say he's pretty redpilled in a way, though not in an extreme enough way to be a REDPILLER in capital letter ygwim

[@Smayor75]

100% grift. These girls just noticed that this “market” just love their copium and are eager to spend their money!

[@DeathrowJS]

She really said "u can't just add what I said earlier to the points I'm making now" LMAO

[@RGS578]

Hmm... As someone who is an ex-redpiller. This conversation is almost exactly the reason why I stopped listening / agreeing with the movement. I used to be into it back in like... 2014/2015 or so, before it was super mainstream. I feel like it was genuinely about self-help, getting into the correct mindset, and bettering yourself. I'll still say it was a net-positive in my life. It helped me realize I needed to get to the gym, stop feeling sorry for myself, and better myself before I complained about myself. Got my first girlfriend at 20, pulled myself out of nearly failing college, get healthy, etc. But then it started to just... change. People inserting their own spin on shit, and 'indoctrinating' people, seemed to obvious to ignore. It stopped being about self love, and became a place to hate women. So I stopped listening to it. And now it seems it's gone so far into the stratosphere, that you have random women coming on, that clearly don't even know what the movement was founded on, coming on trying to lecture people on male dating strategies. And the cynic in me, says that she's a bad actor, farming views, manipulating lonely men into believing asinine shit. It's almost full circle, where there needs to be a redpill for the redpillers.

[@vgorp3849]

it irritates me that the very first hurdle in this conversation is over whether or not the pill motif is a 1:1 for progressivism vs. alt-right.. No, pua culture adopted the pill motif to demonstrate that you could either live a normal life i.e. marry the first woman that tolerates you, have kids, buy a house, live in debt, and work until you're dead - or - you could take responsibility for your life, rebuke the socially conditioned choices that you were internalizing, and live a life of choice. it was never a political movement, it was always about self-help, turning inward, and taking responsibility. I still relate to that idea even though I haven't identified as redpill in 10-15 years.

[@amateurastronomer9752]

Yeah, I too was deeply confused by a woman defining what red pill truly is lol. And I’m glad that you were able to turn your life around and recognize the indoctrination. I think we all have had a similar experience with some sort of group.

[@irshad334]

I think you are looking for the black pill my friend. Although, honestly, that group of people tend to have very large intersections with blue pillers, since argumentatively, both groups would do anything for a woman's approval. Also well, done on leaving the misogynistic red pill space, to enter back into the misandrist world, limp and docile.

[@rebekkahill4664]

On of things that irritates me about the red pill movement is the message towards men is that you can always better yourself and create your own "value" which increases with age, whereas for women our mistakes define us, if we sleep around we are "damaged goods" and our "value" is determined by youth and fertility, essentially we have a used by date and have no control over our worth. It's pretty uninspiring.

[@purplegirl8036]

I’m really happy that people are getting healthy

[@JL-ol8zg]

She never says anything. Just a dodging technique.

[@purplegirl8036]

Well that’s what happens when you belong in the kitchen and only know how to make a sandwich.

[@justlooking1087]

This conversation was so irritating to listen to. Nothing is redpill to her, and nobody believes what you think they do. That’s basically all she said.

[@ladyvanda]

Strong vibes of “I found out about the RP 3 months ago and even though they say women are subhumans and shouldn’t have basic human rights, it’s a joooke. In reality, they believe in

[@domenicgalata1470]

@29:10 where she says “maybe I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying” is this convo in a nutshell.

[@getusome6776]

true...

[@angelinacappadocia]

This is actually one of the most insufferable conversations I’ve ever had to endure

[@MexicanfNinja]

"Redpillers don't actually believe this but, when they say this stuff it's just entertainment. I know for a fact they don't believe this even though they say all these things and spend all this time looking for studies to support their "entertainment only" arguments. They're very religious even though they selectively choose what to believe in from 2-3 world religions that simply benefit them and require no actual worship."

[@user-fe9dj6wq8e]

1:12:18 "I think you're going super high, like, fast right now and, like, super quick and you're taking things from prior things and you're adding it. And what I'm asking you is literally, like, the thing I said before, you understand."

[@AquaMarineFBVA]

she was saying you are building conclusions based on prior conversations you have had and assuming you know what I mean but I am asking you this one question right now in the context of this conversation. it was a reasonable critique

[@ladyvanda]

How did this person end up in a position to talk about the RP? She sounds like she’s first heard about it a week ago max.

[@Sushi-Katana]

Lol. I recognize this Barbie. She's tryna get her Pearl come up on. 🤣

[@uNVme130]

How are you gonna come into a red pill conversation, as a self proclaimed red pill, and then not know what a blue pill is LOL

[@glocktaviousmaximus]

blue pill is just what the media and society told you in the movies about how romantic relationships should be as well as gender roles, it has nothing to do with your political views or religion smh , you are ignorant and an ideolog

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

Exactly

[@jorgejuantorresquiroga5441]

Woke people are generally Blue Pill, but you don't have to be woke to be Blue Pill. Blue Pill is the illusion of how things work, it can also be outdated conservative views that simply do not work anymore these days.

[@glocktaviousmaximus]

@@jorgejuantorresquiroga5441 true

[@Leotv19]

Because She joined the movement like 4 months ago

[@boost800]

she should go closer to her mic, hard to hear her

[@percentile5247]

🤣🤣

[@andrewtschuta2627]

Holy guacamole she's got more balls than Rollo at this point cause she ain't afraid to talk to Destiny.

[@TheUcHiHaMaD]

Im confused, is she trolling?

[@ANTIStraussian]

Nazis were socialists All of the KKK were democrats And red pill nerds were all progressive

[@HAHAd2]

No she’s a woman

[@B-Nice]

She's gotta stay in the Red Pill Sphere long enough to fulfill the grift. Saying stuff with meaning or using numbers is not important.

[@dip9995]

@@HAHAd2😅😂

[@legendarymajin1535]

I've never seen a conversation derail as hard as that Asia/China moment lmao

[@SmartDave60]

And you saw she did everything should could to shut it down.

[@sshadyh]

good thing it ended there because I was totally lost at that point, I did enjoy the conversation tho

[@eshaybah5581]

1:25:15 she argues that asian men dont get many dates because they are smaller than average in size and that women are wired to see if these tall man are the 'real deal' correlating height with penis size, but destiny argues they have the most population meaning shes probably wrong. It went over her head.

[@SmartDave60]

@@eshaybah5581 no she totally realized that she was wrong and shut the conversation down immediately.

[@JuliaMarieH]

Destiny massively overestimated her intelligence here. I don’t think she’s playing dumb at all, she legitimately didn’t understand at least half of what he said.

[@neileapenninan8706]

She said she had a concussion

[@neileapenninan8706]

But yeah you're right

[@DW51380]

She didn’t play dumb destiny didn’t even understand what she was saying either. Destiny’s view is red pill is controlling women into doing what you want when her point is red pill is accepting what women are nowadays and adapting to them. If she’s dumb then so is destiny because he didn’t understand either 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TooChillery]

@@neileapenninan8706 a built in excuse lol

[@isitme1234]

@@DW51380 What was she saying other than stupid idiotic shit

[@mikerodriguez2103]

OMG....this girl is the Queen of "I'm Not Saying that...or like that" and "drawing blanks". Jeezus.

[@viviciuszn]

In the end she interrupted 50 times, mispoke at least once causing confusion, and became quite annoying lol

[@Muteleight]

Destiny suffered brain damage in this debate

[@ladyvanda]

Damn. The “Destiny … in this debate” format brought a tear to my eye… Reminds me of Nebraska Steve. 😟😣😖🥺😢😭 Please Nebraska Steve, don’t leave us alone!…

[@matthewcourtney8239]

Bro I never knew that arguing for an ideology was so easy. You just say everything you don’t like isn’t actually apart of it and everything you do like is apart of the ideology

[@DontEatSmurfs]

she cant end a sentence without saying "im so sorry guys"

[@dip9995]

@@helena_5456I’m sorry to hear that

[@d_clarence6174]

@@dip9995 I'm a little drunk right now, but that was peak humor righthere

[@JustSherries]

Annoyed the hell out of me!

[@toxendon]

@Just Sherries I'm really sorry, sorry for saying that. Sorry for saying that I said sorry for saying that I'm really sorry :(

[@Cosmic.Origin.exe.]

She still swallowing the red pill

[@ctrl.s3565]

idk why she randomly said good looking guys are always broke when high attractiveness is a predictor of career success. maybe its just that the successful and good looking guys arent trying to randomly fuck girls on tinder

[@SB-se7vb]

Depends on the age bracket. Young girls will date a broke good looking guy because they still have an idealised notion of romance and love. That will change once she reaches late 20s and early 30s. I agree with your latter statement.

[@kwameoluwasomi]

No sex outside of marriage in Islam - so Myron's arguing for something that goes against his religion. You're right - they wear it.

[@saintshaggy1372]

As a Muslim it's disgraceful when they try to get clout out of religion. Like they're world view is SOOOO DIFFERENT from like the BASIC tenants of Islam. They just cherry pick the "muh multiple wives" (which is also actually discouraged most of the times) and call it based

[@gibba2495]

@@saintshaggy1372 I’m not muslim. But the way the hide behind mostly islam (but also other religions) is damn disgusting. They cherry pick just as much as they accuse the women on thier show of doing.

[@saintshaggy1372]

@@gibba2495 ikr. They're the worst

[@carlosperalta1714]

@@saintshaggy1372 They deserve to be called out for that by a religion scholar armed with those verses. They would be shut down by that

[@saintshaggy1372]

@@carlosperalta1714 the problem is I've seen some "religious" guys simp for these guys just because they agree with some of the stuff they say. Which is disappointing

[@Taylzz]

Nice opener. "I have brain damage, please be kind to me guys!"

[@leftboxanderson5361]

I hate listening to people hide their bigotry and ignorance in questions but when pushed to identify their bigotry they run. "Do you think that?"-"Oh i never said that."

[@Luster21]

Why is the mic so close to her face? It’s giving me anxiety.

[@thatenbykid]

practice.

[@Classikh]

Hasancel

[@gibba2495]

Trying to hide her nose

[@feltedsneed]

that semi asmr and cleavage are there to attract simps 🙃

[@R2d2..]

😭😭😭😭

[@sek3ymisek3ymi]

I didn’t know concussions are contagious. My mind is left with a beep sound and bubbles

[@PlanetJeroen]

omfg .. she doesnt connect the dots .. they are just different .. they are emotionally fulfilled, while offing themselves at greater rates. holy cow..

[@TaylorNicole_]

I literally wanted to jump through the screen

[@johnnycash5684]

ahh the in-depth analysis of these Matrix references for made up pills. So good

[@zenbear9952]

The irony that the red pill in the matrix was actually a metaphor for the pill transwomen take when they transition will never not be funny to me.

[@lilbltxh]

@Lol okay lol okay dude this is why everyone keeps having to say women are more than what they look like maybe you were being ironic but cool it with the objectification

[@myself2noone]

@zenbear Not a very good metaphor for that. I know that's what the creators said afterward, but that just feels like an ad-hoc addition. It's got decent applicability for a lot of things, but this is one of the few things it doesn't.

[@zenbear9952]

@@myself2noone Well the color of the pill being red does lead some credence to that metaphor as the pill trans women take is red. The pill is a metaphor for accepting the truth and that to a transwomen could easilly be accepting that you are a woman.

[@ANTIStraussian]

The real red pill is from total recall It is a trick that doesn't take you out of the simulation they are just trying to gas light Arnold's character into killing himself

[@MrJerkelm]

This woman doesn't seem to be equipped for the level of conversation she wants to engage in

[@frostedlambs]

She seems like a grifter who doesn't know anything but pretends to know everything and won't admit to being wrong because if she was able to do that she'd understand she doesn't know anything

[@thatenbykid]

Right in my feeeeeeed

[@ed9859]

Classic.

[@LowTempDabr]

my feed is leaking content

[@XenoTravis]

She like walked to the podium and then face planted, got up, then her high heel snapped.

[@kayokay470]

I read the thumbnail as "that's not very red pill" and now I'm walking around thinking "that's not very red pill of you".

[@claricetweeten2970]

I felt like she gaslit Destiny the entire time, trying to make him believe that the redpill community is something totally different than what it is. As if he hasn’t been debating and reacting to red pill figureheads for a living… if anyone knows red pill ideology, I think it’s Destiny.

[@frenchiegames]

if you haven't watched this yet, you're not missing anything. 1:25:10 'china's not bigger than asia? I started to read a map this year!'

[@labasjonai]

I really hope that the other person fully heals from their double concussion, as it would not be right to lay into a person who's temporarily intellectually stunned, so Destiny was tactful to not kick someone while they're down. Hopefully there will be another discussion in the future with plenty of substance and worthwhile points being raised.

[@acclason17]

I think that was cap, she is like pearl just hoing off redpill script. If people challange them on their beliefs they can't seen to back it up.

[@rabidclean]

One thing I think gets missed by a lot of people pushing the redpill "men naturally don't discuss emotions" talking point is this hasn't always been the case. In a lot of ancient societies, the ability to communicate and emote was seen as an incredibly important thing for a leader to have. Masculine and fraternal ideals weren't just about proving physical prowess and lifting things/competing all the time.

[@Courtguy21]

She kept clarifying that she wasn’t trying to dunk on him and trap him. Yeah we know, you’re not capable of doing that to him 😅

[@imdoingokay]

Bro chill

[@downbad2874]

😂

[@darkman619112]

damn, that was 🥶

[@onlyeveryone2253]

Don't fucking attack their intelligence

[@isitme1234]

She can dunk. After she took it up the a.. like she said.

[@istanformarzipan]

From the intro, sounds like she doesn't have much going on upstairs...

[@Helterskelta]

How to talk ALOT and say almost nothing at all...holy

[@themidnightaristocrat]

She is talking about the old guard Redpill. It was co-opted long ago. I didn't think there were any people still trying to hang on to it.

[@severussin]

📠

[@Earthad23]

Someone is onto the red pill grift , millions of dollars in no time!

[@halfbloodprincess989]

My guess is that she's dating one of the red-pillers and is making up that headcannon to sniff the copium.

[@tiena6630]

She said that women are insentivized by society to be single and childless, but I have to say that's the opposite of my experience. Ever since I turned 23, internet has been flooding me with diaper ads. No joke. For no reason, I don't search for that and I don't even have kids.

[@TaylorNicole_]

In addition to family and friends constantly asking about love life and children

[@tiena6630]

@@TaylorNicole_ Very true.

[@taknoef9195]

@@tiena6630 thats true i wanna take my time

[@gakukilegrandgenerale2354]

You don’t think society promote the strong and indépendant women stuff ?

[@N.1lza]

Yes they definitely are. Women are telling Women all the time to stay single and to not depend on any man. And it's a lot more normalised that Women don't have kids and priorities their carriers. It's even like people look at me finny if I tell them I want a family and a husband and I am not trying to have any type of big career

[@ethakis]

12:24 She is doing so much apologetics for red pill channels. This is something I've been guilty of doing with Mr Girl, where I essentially have a whole headcannon of what someone actually means when they say something and treat that headcannon as if that is the nucleus of their beliefs, when in reality, I'm basically writing fan fic of what I wish these people were.

[@omarnoory]

This conversation gave me a double concussion

[@aidanrock8719]

Bro i'm so glad i saw a clip of her revealing this before watching the video, because at least if i do watch this full thing now, i will understand why she must be so rarted, according to the comments

[@SB-se7vb]

@@aidanrock8719 Nah, she's larping as a traumatic brain injury. If she sustained legitimate damage, she would not have been partaking in this conversation so soon after. And if it were mild enough, she wouldn't have felt the need to bring it up but to compensate for her thinly-veiled vacuousness.

[@StarWolfOnline]

All the guy traits she keeps saying are literally all the socially taught ways for guys to behave. Almost nothing she brought up is complete genetic difference

[@dannyk771]

She does the same thing Pearl Davis does, when she knows she's in a difficult spot rhetorically, she acts ditzy, and when she feels like she's on strong rhetorical grounds, she'll confidently cite a point or study.

[@Torshaa]

did you watch the beginning lol

[@SassanMedia]

Isn’t that what most people do in a debate anyway?

[@AbadonBIack]

​@@SassanMediaI don't know about most people, but I don't think it makes sense to just act stupid rather than concede a point if you have to. It doesn't make your argument better, and people stop taking you seriously. Ideally, you think through your position enough that no one can surprise you, so you don't have to concede anything.

[@Royal_Blue]

I think there is a a way for men to express themselves while also not doing the whole "this is how it made me feel thing." You can do that, but for most men (funny enough destiny included) don't want to express themselves that way. Men Need to be able to state whats happening to them, but maybe in a more factual way. You can still get to the core of the issues without feeling weak, just provide more facts than just "I'm good" or "it sucked but whatever". Maybe instead of "I was feeling this/that" use "I was thinking this/that"...

[@Eric-vh4qg]

The problem with being factual with emotions is that emotions are a subjective experience. I do think that there are other positive ways to express how you feel without necessarily saying "Hey man, when you said I have small PP energy, that made me feel sad". We all know that is just going to provoke more small PP energy jokes. This is a big reason why men don't share their vulnerabilities with other men, because men are assholes that will fuck with you just to get a reaction. If your friends are real friends though, and someone says something that bothers you, you should be able to look them in the eye and say, "that crosses a line". Being able to set boundaries and communicate them is a big part of emotional intelligence. The biggest part, however, is simply being able to identify what emotions you are currently feeling, reflecting on them to understand why you are feeling this way, and being able to control your behavior despite your emotions so you can calmly and rationally deal with them.

[@bluepilledalpha]

This girl ain't too bright.. she'll be a good red pill grifter tho..

[@bingbong3643]

She did call herself a dumb bish.

[@cozykarma1542]

The amount of charity Destiny extends to women is staggering. He would’ve evaporated a man that came with these talking points.

[@thealgorithmluvsu3788]

The power of pussy, my guy. Never underestimate it.

[@genevievemorgan7821]

Only if the man was aggressive. This woman is not particularly assertive.

[@Wilbur-mj3fq]

@@genevievemorgan7821Pearly Things needs to take notes on this girl, she didn't interrupt or get masculine at all the whole stream. Pearly is the women she complains about all masculine and such .

[@Champstarrable]

Torshaa has a death grip on the wheel with both hands going 20 Mph. Destiny is leaning back, one hand on the wheel and smoking a stogie while effortlessly going 100

[@rekcr]

Why does destiny shit on men for being lonely because they’re not good at socializing if he believes that it’s society’s fault for socializing them to be that way?

[@RealmRabbit]

Feel like her dog's name is Loki but she knows nothing of Norse mythology/superheroes and someone else who does was the person who gave the dog its name... So she just calls it "low-kai"

[@currentcommerce4774]

she's a dogpill expert

[@iamDeej]

Holy shit

[@hawkrivers-garrett9315]

I mean she pronounces spear like sphere. I believe it.

[@DontEatSmurfs]

maybe she just like how the word "loki" sounds...also its really popular word

[@AdamX1124]

Isn’t Lokal like a bracelet company or something. I feel like every girl I was friends with in college wanted one

[@joshuakohn4408]

I've seen this girl, basically all she does online is make videos hating about destiny calling him a psychopath based on 0 evidence other then "her experience" never seen such a anti fan in my life

[@housemoney3155]

Women have a significantly higher frequency of depression and anxiety in adulthood, while men have a larger prevalence of substance use disorders and antisocial behaviors. Women also have a higher prevalence of depression and anxiety disorders due to genetic and biological factors.

[@Lambdamale.]

The only thing Red Pill guys discuss is dating, being a player, and avoiding marriage. Take it or leave it.

[@rangerdownfishing]

This has to be a troll. I’m 10 minutes in and her contrarian, paradoxical attempt to explain and Stan for the red pill community is comical if it’s fake, but downright scary how far from the mark she actually is. 😂😅

[@DW51380]

Where was she wrong? From what I watched destiny doesn’t even understand what red pill is. Something about returning women to old traditions or something. red pill isn’t about rejecting feminism the whole point of red pill wouldn’t exist without it. red pill is all about accepting feminism and taking advantage of the promiscuous women it created. Red pill wouldn’t be a concept at all if it didn’t go hand in hand with feminism, how are you supposed to fuck a woman by arguing against the way she lives her life? it’s about adapting to women being thots not trying to change them from being thots

[@DW51380]

Red pill isn’t about stopping your girlfriend going to the clubs and being a thot. If you reject feminism and end up with someone that’s a thot or that goes to the club or doesn’t dress how you like you’re not red pill. Red pill is a strategy to get or promiscuous thots created by feminism women to choose you. it wouldn’t make sense to be red pill and use strategies to deal with and fuck women who align with feminist values when being red pill meant you stay away from those women. That just completely contradicts itself. If red pill was about finding traditional Christian women it would be about living to the Ten Commandments and attracting Virgin Maries, red pill is specifically about fucking thots that have options and getting them to choose you instead

[@Ridistrict]

The issue is that "red pill" has had like 500 different specific meanings when it was started as a broad "the truth about X thing" The redpill meaning "women are dumb and you should treat them as such" is relatively new - and Sneako/Tate's current specific offshot of THAT definition is even newer. The original 4 colors and their definitions made sense: Red = "the truth, feels be damned" | Blue = "ignore the truth, I'm comfy" | White = "optimism in spite of bad truths" | Black = "pessimism/checking out in light of bad truths" Everything that deviates from the core 4 are just lazy co opting of internet lingo by groups who decide that their views are X-pilled which is unironically as blue pilled as it gets. It's like when Christians define "truth" as whatever the Bible says because they want the association of the word to apply in a way that gives it more credibility from their perspective.

[@romnesia7729]

The best part about all of this is that the red pill is a matrix (1999) reference. I must've been the last person on the planet to realize that the matrix was created by the Wachowski brothers, who are now the Wachowski sisters. They're both trans women now. The kicker is that the creators say that the matrix is just a huge metaphor for being trans, which is the best of irony.

[@Anthropomorphic]

What I've read is that that's not what they had in mind when they first made the movies, and they weren't the first to come up with that idea, but they think it's a valid and interesting interpretation.

[@Jim-km1xt]

So the whole spoon thing was a reference to them pretending their male genitals weren't really there? It's all coming together. Agent Smith must have been their transphobic therapist.

[@lydiawilder5996]

@@Jim-km1xt no.

[@RollingCalf]

I think that last part about being a metaphor for being trans is a retcon to pander to a movement. Did any of the characters change gender? No. They just became optimized versions of themselves

[@Jim-km1xt]

@@lydiawilder5996 I was joking. Lighten up.

[@fireclaw2]

How close she is to the mic is bringing out a boiling anger I never knew I had the capacity for.

[@Hchris101]

You have PTSD from all the screamming gamers you watch. (penguin)

[@bennymountain1]

Women are natually drawn to microphones, mouth first.

[@TheKomentor]

I think you have misophonia like me.

[@Woolwoven]

@Lol okay is she not cherry?

[@fireclaw2]

@@Woolwoven it's his incel comment. To him all women sound the same lol

[@romnesia7729]

This person said she threw a fastball at 73 mph. This would be 3mph away from the fastest baseballs ever thrown by a woman in history. The 5th fastest baseball thrown by a woman on record is 76 mph, by a multiple MVP-winning Japanese legend pitcher who only reached 76 mph one time, recorded, in a game. Last year was MrGirl and Lav. This year...

[@Desdress]

who cares how fast she can throw a ball or if she lies about that. why not listen to the convo and engage with that?

[@aaronyayger]

​@@Desdress Because she's telling an obvious lie and that kind of shows her character?

[@riese_untoten4183]

@@Desdress Because it’s an exceptionally weird thing to lie about.

[@juanmejiagomez5514]

She has had a concussion, maybe she’s remembering things wrong

[@zenbear9952]

@@juanmejiagomez5514 Than she probably shouldn't be having these discussions

[@locuus7]

Can't believe how many excuses she makes for her fellow Redpillers. "Oh its religion." What a load of bs.

[@piggytub1]

Probably shouldn’t have been concussed TWICE before debating Destiny. That was a silly decision,I hope she recovers well,from the concussions and this debate.

[@B-Nice]

This convo might've been the 3rd concussion, and we know how difficult the numbers 1 and 2 can be 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@kashifsingh791]

Her not thinking men have been loved at every size throughout history is crazy as hell. Her thoughts are so surface level.

[@sshadyh]

there are a lot of instances where men are shamed for their weight tho, like rick ross, DJ khaled, jonah hill, it’s just not on the scale as female body shaming

[@reddillon8425]

@@sshadyh this shit really only matters in the celebrity world. The biggest difference between fat male celebrities and fat female celebrities is that fat male celebrities were always able to fill the comedian niche and still get famous while fat (you would never be a leading man while fat) while fat female celebrities were basically just out of luck and weren't really able to get work. That has changed entirely though, and now there are fat male comedian celebrities AND fat female comedian celebrities, you still don't really get fat leading man or fat leading woman roles outside of like super woke netflix shows though

[@RuggedBadboyBTW]

She sounds like a hot girl who found the Internet 6 months ago.

[@tothemaximum757]

Lmao why is this soo accurate🤣🤣🤣

[@mranere]

"You're not going to follow where I'm going with this..." I don't think she followed where she was going for the majority of the conversation.

[@lifestylewithlexi]

I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she’s trying to exercise her brain after her double concussion? She said she used to do debate so I’m thinking maybe she’s trying to get back to that because she is bringing absolutely zero substance to the conversation lol This is how dumb redpill is though because you just have to be attractive and say you agree and the men will practically throw the engagement at you 😂

[@miskathonic]

This is the most down bad for Destiny I've seen in a while.

[@DrStrangelove_]

"the denialism of human nature" sounds like a book that hits the nail on the head.

[@marudoethiopia]

I love how she moves the Overton window to pre-1920's to define "rightwing." She claims redpillers are mostly progressive and when challenged on how Rollo might not be rightwing, she points out how he doesn't believe in abolishing women's suffrage.

[@Kripmac]

Truly a redpill moment

[@righteousrawb7225]

I feel like she joined the red pill community 2 days ago and automatically assumes her positions are their positions. Fresh n Fit and Andrew Tate are the literal thought leaders of the red pill movement. This woman seems nice but her double concussions seem to have affected her perspective here

[@gakukilegrandgenerale2354]

Nope they are not . Try again , red pill existed prior to those guy . The thought leader is rollo tomassi

[@foraminutethere23]

There was a lot of early thought leaders behind red pill ideas. Roissi in DC aka Chateau Heartiste comes to mind as an early guy who never made youtube vids. The dude gave off psychopath vibes.

[@djarogames]

I consider myself redpill but I think Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit are clowns. They are far from "literal thought leaders of the red pill"

[@righteousrawb7225]

@@gakukilegrandgenerale2354 Even if that was the case, Rollo agrees with FnF all the time. Plus, their audience is extremely larger than Rollo's.

[@gakukilegrandgenerale2354]

@@righteousrawb7225 most of fresh and fit talking point come from rollo or is a point took from them and modified . Rollo agrees with fresh and fit ? That is called networking , you won’t debate every little point with people who are in you side . Destiny in his first time didn’t debate that much even if we know he disagreed a lot W

[@Jess.Anderson]

I started to read a map this year ????? what?

[@johnschenck8497]

Red pill, blue pill, green pill, orange pill, yellow pill. There are actual people who talk like this from a make believe movie.

[@iamDeej]

29:37 i think shes correct about the religious influence. If you recall the Adam 22 episode with the religious guy, he also tried to frame his pro life beliefs as rationally determined, but destiny was able to show that there was actually a religious foundation there. I think this one sided open relationship stuff might be the same

[@khirylowry9007]

The difference is most red pilled men (and non men to be completely honest) would desire an one sided relationship whether they are religious or not while pretty much only religious people are prolife

[@michaelm8529]

How could it be their religious beliefs if they promote premarital sex and adultery? They don't advocate for 4 wives, they advocate for fornication

[@afrochikkin]

No religion talks about having an ever-expanding rotation of random bitches to fuck. These guys never even seem to talk about getting married, which is so important to Abrahamic religious relationship shit. Unless you're saying this is coming from a new religion that they made up.

[@hollerh7346]

The matrix: pop pills to change your reality. ..sounds like a really fun concept👻👻🥳

[@xbabu142x]

If anyone starts talking pills in front of me IRL I give them a firm "get the fuck away from me you dope fiend" and then leave.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

fresh and fit, the guys who promote going to the east to get a woman because they're engrained with traditional values, don't promote going back to traditional values... hmmm

[@kevonslims7269]

This conversation was so exhausting