Trans Ideology and Black America

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@shabanahfazal6512
@shabanahfazal6512 25 күн бұрын
As a left-wing British woman of Pakistani heritage, I really appreciate this excellent discussion. 100% this is a white upper-middle class phenomenon. I’m so sick of the minority of younger activist/university educated voices in our ethnic communities that claim to speak for the majority of us who do NOT agree with this unscientific, misogynistic, homophobic, child safeguarding nightmare ideology. It’s bad enough here in the UK, where we’re expected to go along with a tribal package of ‘progressive’ (actually regressive) beliefs if we’re people of colour but far more polarised in the USA. At least here in the UK, the fightback started back in 2016 or so with real feminist journalists, trade unionist and radical feminist women’s groups (not to be confused with younger mainstream liberal/4th wave women who peddle a perversion of feminism). They heroically led the way, but since then the fightback has spread across the political spectrum so that public, cross-party debate and discussion is possible here in a way that it just isn’t in the USA. We managed to put a stop to self-ID and pushed for child gender medicine to be curbed, resulting in the major development of the Cass Report and ban on puberty blockers. Would love to hear a follow-up discussion, with more liberal Black/Asian (including Indian or Pakistani heritage) voices of colour
@gfys756
@gfys756 25 күн бұрын
Imagine calling yourself "left-wing" and being a reactionary right-wing anti-Trans bigot in 2024. 🤦🏿‍♂️
@alison8719
@alison8719 25 күн бұрын
It's most definitely not 100% "white," it's a different ethnicity that purports to be when convenient. So tired of this ongoing deep deception and the criminalization of speaking of it.
@gfys756
@gfys756 25 күн бұрын
​@@alison8719Agreed. How can it be "100% white" when I already know several black, Asian, and Latino Transwomen in my small city?
@shabanahfazal6512
@shabanahfazal6512 24 күн бұрын
@@gfys756 I phrased that badly - apologies. I was 100% agreeing with their point that this is very largely a phenomenon driven and exhibited by higher white socio-economic classes, with much smaller numbers of people of colour joining in, seeing it as something aspirational. The panellists did spend some time explaining that, and exactly why the majority of Black people have no time for gender nonsense.
@farai5539
@farai5539 23 күн бұрын
@@shabanahfazal6512 Around 11-13% of the trans community in the US is black, like most people here you've made a lot of assumptions with very little knowledge
@katherineroddy9190
@katherineroddy9190 24 күн бұрын
They've also taken phrases from the battle from gay rights, and changed the meanings. "Outing" someone used to mean revealing that someone is gay against his/her wishes-- usually as an attack. Now it's used to mean teachers telling a parent that their child is identifying as trans at school. "Conversion therapy" used to mean browbeating a gay person to "go straight." Now, if a therapist does not IMMEDIATELY agree that a child is really in the wrong body, its called conversion therapy.
@Mrs.CGraves
@Mrs.CGraves 22 күн бұрын
Typical leftist tactics. Change language and meaning and move goalposts often. Racism meant hatred for someone due to race. Now it’s power, and control of others and the system and destruction of whiteness etc etc plus hatred of someone’s race. It’s total crap.
@Stacy_Sunshine
@Stacy_Sunshine 24 күн бұрын
I was driving while listening and wanted to come back and thank the panel! As the ex wife of an autogynophile, who also worked at a major Cali insurance company, I have heard hundreds of stories of trauma that became an identity. And I can say detransition requests exactly match 1:1 transition requests, and they are always denied.
@saracorbin1152
@saracorbin1152 17 күн бұрын
Appalling.
@Gwion-x8w
@Gwion-x8w 23 күн бұрын
This is the most lucid, calm, straight forward discussion of the issue I have heard.
@cestmoi4532
@cestmoi4532 24 күн бұрын
Baahaahaa 🤣🤣🤣 when Rielly said "jail onset dysphoria," I had a real laugh. Thank you for that, I needed to lighten the load on my heart. Thank you all for your work. Thank you, Genspect. ❤❤❤
@Elliott-uk5bm
@Elliott-uk5bm 24 күн бұрын
As a white guy in higher ed in the South, with many black students, I found this conversation extremely edifying. Thank you to all the participants and Genspect USA
@stellawella2104
@stellawella2104 24 күн бұрын
As a British sex-realist feminist, it's really refreshing to hear all your very thoughtful voices that cut through the BS. More please.
@kreneeh
@kreneeh 25 күн бұрын
Excellent conversation - thank you for your voices. Mad respect for all of you.
@rekindle
@rekindle 25 күн бұрын
I appreciate everyone on this panel Sharing their perspectives, thank you
@emmarotolo5645
@emmarotolo5645 25 күн бұрын
I'm like 90% sure Wilfred was one of my professors in my online master's of online social work program from uky and that is very exciting to find out.
@susan1984yes
@susan1984yes 25 күн бұрын
I would love to hear more from this panel, what a great and informative discussion.
@katherineroddy9190
@katherineroddy9190 24 күн бұрын
"The confict between truth and what people are supposed to believe.". Thank you, Professor Riley.
@josephblue4135
@josephblue4135 24 күн бұрын
Shawn is a powerhouse & shouldn't have lost her seat!
@hayfalahraoui8361
@hayfalahraoui8361 24 күн бұрын
What an intellectual discussion, I feel like I'm better armoured to tackle those discussions after listening to you all 💪🤛
@ElizabethDohertyThomas
@ElizabethDohertyThomas 25 күн бұрын
Fantastic discussion that should have many zero's behind the view count. Just finished Prof Reilly's Hate Crime Hoax book and it's cool to see the crisp social science, data-driven clarity of the book in his conversational skills.
@jcimsn8464
@jcimsn8464 25 күн бұрын
Bottom surgeries are barbaric
@rosablume4346
@rosablume4346 25 күн бұрын
And gender affirming care is a totally vicouse euphemism
@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559
@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 25 күн бұрын
So are top surgeries, hormone-blockers and 'cross-sex' hormones.
@goodgrief888
@goodgrief888 25 күн бұрын
The infantilizing language around these surgeries “bottom surgery” instead of phalloplasty/vaginaplasty, top surgery instead of mastectomy, etc it tells you how unable to handle the reality of these procedures the people behind given them are. And then they have to get over that real quick afterward. It’s all so based in faith and belief that requires hiding the truth from the very people most affected.
@amaryllisequistra
@amaryllisequistra 22 күн бұрын
Even Dr Marci Bowers has said she no longer recommends vaginoplasty because it’s too risky. So much for ‘settled science’
@Jo-nr6vx
@Jo-nr6vx 6 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed your discussion- People who live in the real world. I wish my man gave a damn as well. Thank you,
@JeanNovacco
@JeanNovacco 25 күн бұрын
It's important for adults who are naturally authority figures to leave children alone. In my 1936 and my 1968 LARGE Webster's dictionaries the term "gender" is not AT ALL defined the way it is used today. The use is ONLY about parts of speech of latinate or romance languages "agreeing" in sentence structures. It is a use restricted to grammar. What is called "gender" is more fittingly called "persona", but the theories are cooked up in English departments and Linguistic departments and maybe even Semiotics courses. I am bringing this up to urge you to look into the intellectual history of this movement. The first time I heard the word gender used to used to refer to the difference between the two sexes who procreate together was the mid 1980s in a college town that was home to an ivy league university. At the time it sounded like a good idea, back when people were unlikely to casually discuss sex, perhaps useful in discussing whether soneone was adopting a male or female dog, witjout using the " b" word. I personally consider this gender movement as part of the dismantling of cultural norms as a tactic of Cultural Marxism and post modernist activism (including, but not limited, to sterilizing youth). I'm not black, yet my algo served this link, and since all of you look younger than me, I am this sharing this dictionary revelation as yet another tool for you to look into. Gender as an identity tied to societal roles serms to be an idea that was relatively recently invented -- with the transgender movement being a solution in search of a problem. Yes, I know some people harbor genetic anomalies expressed biologically, but this differs from the wholesale dissemination of the fanciful idea of being born into the wrong body. When I was working in the human resources department of that east coast university, in those early 1980s, a young man applied for some kind of job perhaps leading a seminar, and in the conversation that took place, he began to push some society/movement rationalizing man-boy love. I'm not sure that his "cause" was why he was not hired, but it seems like redefining pedo practices as non-criminal was occuring at the same time as other redefinitions of language. Nobody in the department seemed to be buying it. These social contagions may be more obvious in the white community because there are simply more white people, and more liberals amongst them, especially in the deep blue states of the northeast. Even so, the first transvestite I ever saw was a thin black man wearing a dress and a dramatic wide brim lady's hat which looked like the product of a millinery shop, in my home town of about 55,000 people at that time, walking up a sidewalk near the post office. Neither the majority white population or the minority black population would ever dress that way on a weekday afternoon in a town that still relied on factories for most employment. My overriiding impression was the person was from out of town, a reasonable assumption since the post office was not far from the train state. A shocked teenager, I scurried away. My current understanding is that male cross-dressing practices can differ from trans-gender transitioning and from same sex attraction. What really baffles me is my intuitive sense that if someone really wants to go through life in the appearance and role of the "opposite" sex, that person would make deliberate careful efforts to pass as that as that sex, rather than "identify" as any OTHER alternate "gender" option, and likely NOT as "trans-gender." The entire movement seems self-defeating, which raises my suspicions that, at heart, we are being challenged by a subversive Marxist strategy to undermine societal roles the family structure, and human reproduction. You're hearing this from a person who wore a green patch of hair to work at least a few times in the early 1980s, saw no problem with wearing costumes as extreme as the cover of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, painted flowers and spray paint curliques conspicuously on cars, pulled the chrome off at least one vehicle, and otherwise struggled with expressing my artistic temperament in conjunction with my conservative values. But I always knew the difference between whatever outrageous experiment in which I would sporadically indulge and the girl on my college dorm who consistently dressed as Peter Pan. If I recall the pevading sense of ennui that permeated my college days, I'm not at all surprised that academics promote being untethered from fundamental, instinctual values. I do want to note that at least one middle aged white female researcher claims that transgenderism IS the gateway to transhumanism, and that this "movement" is being promoted in a top down fashion by wealthy elite promoters of transgender experimentation. Having said all this, I agree with almost everything being said in this episode on this channel. I urge you not to give people promoting these ideas the benefit of the doubt. Attractive ideas are not always good ideas.
@illjusthavecoffee
@illjusthavecoffee 24 күн бұрын
I don't think other social contagions like this filtered down into the black community, like repressed memories and multiple personalities. Or am I wrong?
@robertmarshall2502
@robertmarshall2502 20 күн бұрын
This is a very interesting point. I wonder if it's similar with eating disorders? Speaking from a point of ignorance I wonder if there have been other social contagions. I have seen some of this compared to exorcism or similar religious beliefs which I have seen in other countries. I wonder what the factors involved here are?
@KramRemin
@KramRemin 23 күн бұрын
Dang, WilDaBeast just got that BIG! COMMON-SENSE! VOICE! that just cuts through everything.
@Donatello-go5sn
@Donatello-go5sn 25 күн бұрын
Another reason blacks aren't as susceptible to this ideology, yet, is our familiarity with American medical Apartheid. African Americans on some level know that the medical industry sometimes does harm to its patients. An American history of eugenics, racism and poverty may deter a black mother from sterilizing her gender confused child if she realizes "gender- affirming" surgeries is just that - sterilization. Also, many, if not most, black transwomen are Dr Ray Blanchard's HSTS typology. Black straight men do not have the sexual freedom to be middle- to upper-class folks who publicly display their autogynephilia. Sadly, Shawn is correct that this ideology might be pervasive in the black community in the coming years if we are not able to nip it in the bud before it takes root in the our community.
@gfys756
@gfys756 25 күн бұрын
I already know several black Transwomen in my relatively small city. I think this "ideology" is quite popular within the black community. 🤷🏿
@aceinspadesz4882
@aceinspadesz4882 25 күн бұрын
​@@gfys756 astrology is also popular. In the black community.
@ruetoo
@ruetoo 24 күн бұрын
@@gfys756yes especially in the ballroom culture ofc!
@Donatello-go5sn
@Donatello-go5sn 24 күн бұрын
There have always been black transfolks, but this current trans movement is problematic. Black gay boys who experienced internal homophobia, external homophobia and/or trauma (sexual, physical or mental) seem more susceptible to transitioning. Gay men, in the black community, are the transwomen we see. In the "majority" community the overwhelming percentage of transwomen are A^G^P'S. They are the lesbian or bisexual transwomen who constitute most TRA's. They are the obviously male folks who enter female sports, locker rooms, etc.; they sue for "misgendering" and insist they are biological women who should be *Women of the Year.*
@robertmarshall2502
@robertmarshall2502 20 күн бұрын
​@@Donatello-go5sn Can I ask why you believe there have always been black trans folks? What do you mean by "trans folks" in this case? Because I'd argue "trans" is a 20th century idea at the earliest. Non-binary a 21st one. Third genders are very different although serve a similar function of what you highlight of Homosexual males but they aren't considered women.
@user-pr8pg2ge7k
@user-pr8pg2ge7k 17 күн бұрын
Check out Graham Lineham from Ireland (creator of various very successful TV comedies/shows in the UK i e.Father Ted. 😊He has been speaking up about this for years and was cancelled because of it. But he continues to 'fight' it in order to protect women, girls, children in general, thank god. This is why a lot of people are afraid to speak up about this ideology - the fear of losing their careers and all the hate/threats they receive from these trans activists. Graham is a brave and common sense man 💕
@kathleenvondeegan1
@kathleenvondeegan1 25 күн бұрын
That Kanye West?
@hamburgerchan8389
@hamburgerchan8389 25 күн бұрын
I seriously thought it was him too 😂😂
@kathleenvondeegan1
@kathleenvondeegan1 20 күн бұрын
@@hamburgerchan8389 🤣
@daughter_of_earth
@daughter_of_earth 25 күн бұрын
The panel seems to be all conservatives. We need more leftists and feminists on American panels to stem this issue being portrayed as a right vs. left issue. By the way, I was a working class student who chose my university because of its history of protest. The desire for social justice is not a middle or upper class thing. And one more thing, we especially need more gay men to speak up. We need to cut the connection in people's minds with this and gay rights.
@gfys756
@gfys756 25 күн бұрын
No, we really don't. It IS a left vs right issue. The left supports progress and Transrights, whilst the right is reactionary and anti-Transrights. We don't need regressive leftists engaging in this reactionary nonsense.
@alison8719
@alison8719 25 күн бұрын
Yes, radical feminists have been completely deplatformed and rendered invisible. They are very important voices in speaking out against this. They want to separate LGB from TQ+++
@goodgrief888
@goodgrief888 25 күн бұрын
Leftists who speak up on this issue tend to get beaten down the fastest and most effectively. Maybe because they’re the most powerful voices. The left eats its own. People can write off self described right wingers over this issue, but when a self described leftist speaks up they get attacked mercilessly and then they get thrown into the right wing camp. Eventually the only platforms they find will allow them to speak are self described right wing media.
@MFhljR
@MFhljR 25 күн бұрын
thank you for saying this, we absolutely do. specifically Black leftists feminists.
@daughter_of_earth
@daughter_of_earth 25 күн бұрын
​@MFhljR Yes, not only but especially on panels focused on the black community.
@juliesuberg8965
@juliesuberg8965 23 күн бұрын
Can she be asked why she lost her seat. Was it a wide rejection among constituents, What do they think of this
@robertmarshall2502
@robertmarshall2502 20 күн бұрын
I don't remember the answer but I think she talks about this in a different video where it's her as the focus (Here on Genspect)
@nikkygovier3783
@nikkygovier3783 25 күн бұрын
Just tuned in. As a woman (mother and grandmother) in my late 50's, I just want to respectfully say that I think its sad that women feel they have to wear makeup.
@sherylbusch5853
@sherylbusch5853 25 күн бұрын
In the 70’s we didn’t wear makeup. We were attempting to stop women from being seen as nothing but sexual objects. Clearly didn’t work.
@staterepshawnthierry3839
@staterepshawnthierry3839 25 күн бұрын
What a sad thing for you to say. Some of us enjoy being feminine, pretty, and love a good sexy red lip. Most men love it on us, too. Btw, do you find it equally as sad that some men feel the need to wear makeup? Given the topic of the webinar, seems you’d opine on that.
@janebennetto5655
@janebennetto5655 25 күн бұрын
What a disrespectful thing to say following such an important issue. I would hope as a woman, mother and grandmother your ‘sadness’ should be what is happening to children and women because of this terrible ideology & not how a well educated, successful female chooses to present herself. ❤️🇬🇧❌❌
@nikkygovier3783
@nikkygovier3783 25 күн бұрын
@@janebennetto5655 of course I feel sad and am appalled regarding the subject discussed. I disagree that I was disrespectful in my comments. I just think it is a shame that girls grow up believing they have to wear makeup in order to be presentable. It's part of the problem of the sexualisation they are under pressure to conform to.
@nikkygovier3783
@nikkygovier3783 25 күн бұрын
@@staterepshawnthierry3839 I have 4 daughters and 6 granddaughters. Some wear makeup and some don't. Obviously it's a personal choice and my mother at 81 still likes to wear it. Personally, I just think it detracts from a woman being taken seriously, whilst talking on important matters. It must also be a distraction for the men who should be focusing on what you're saying, rather than on how sexy you look. I have grandsons too who are very masculine and, thankfully, I can't see them ever wanting to wear make-up. My 7 year old grandson was told at school that boys can give birth. It's hard to believe, and shocking, that there are teachers who are willing to teach such blatant lies to our children.
@kevinheath7588
@kevinheath7588 23 күн бұрын
Yeh as a straight white man I fully appreciate I am not allowed to have an opinion about anything...and vast majority of black people and women agree with white men being silenced.
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman 25 күн бұрын
I think it's difficult for non Americans to understand just what the idea of being "black" means in the US. The speakers are all speaking with a distinctly different accent to the Americans I watch who aren't 'black'. There appears to be a discrete cultural boundary to 'blackness' that doesn't exist in other countries where class not race tends to group people.
@DeRocco21
@DeRocco21 25 күн бұрын
thats all it is its part of a theory called intersectionality
@MCJustJ420
@MCJustJ420 22 күн бұрын
She should have just embraced the "Nazi" title If aliens attacked earth during WW2, people wouldn't see the Nazi as their ultimate enemy Like ok, I'm a nazi, but you're going after children, me being what you perceive as evil doesn't justify your own evil actions
@MFhljR
@MFhljR 25 күн бұрын
29:35 gender ideologues don't believe in misandry; they're actively anti feminists. I was wary of the panel from the start but having a group who genuinely don't seem to know much about the group they're criticizing is kind of nonsensical.
@pickupmygroceriespeasant
@pickupmygroceriespeasant 25 күн бұрын
Yes, they are libfems, or what the radfems like to call "pseudo-feminists".
@baconsarny-geddon8298
@baconsarny-geddon8298 25 күн бұрын
"Gender" ideologues virtually universally ARE feminists (regeardless of whether you want to claim they're "not TRUE feminists"; They'll say the exact same thing about YOU). The single greatest architect of modern "gender" ideology, was FEMINIST Judith Butler, developing the belief system in FEMINIST academia, on a foundation of the same FEMINIST texts, and in pursuit of the same FEMINIST goals, that even the most anti-trans radfems share (despite obviously disagreeing on HOW to achieve those goals); Goals like "destroying the (totes super-duper real) patriarchy". NOBODY CARES that radfems believe themselves to be the only "TRUE feminists", any more than we care if Blair White and Buck Angel want claim that people like them are the only "TRUE trans".... You're BOTH just purity-spiralling weirdos, bizarrely trying to defend your own """"TRUE"""" version, of the cancerous ideology that anyone sane is trying to oppose.
@Selmamander
@Selmamander 25 күн бұрын
👁️👁️
@robertfrancois6064
@robertfrancois6064 25 күн бұрын
I was hoping for a trans celebration 🎉
@saracorbin1152
@saracorbin1152 17 күн бұрын
celebrate all you want, just keep those medical quacks away from the kids.
@gfys756
@gfys756 25 күн бұрын
This channel has become yet another reactionary right wing echo chamber. Do better, Genspect. 😡
@lizadeeza
@lizadeeza 23 күн бұрын
I agree that we need more diverse POLITICAL backgrounds - we are playing into the nonsense that this is a right vs. Left issue. Both rightwing and left-wing white privileged parents are transing the gay away in their kids. On the right it has to do with homophobia and on the left it has to do w/ being groomed by Transactivist captured institutions to "be kind" and "affirm" non-verifiable alleged gender mismatch.
@saracorbin1152
@saracorbin1152 17 күн бұрын
I guess nowadays being against child mutilation and experimental drugging is a right-wing thing. This is why Democrats are handing votes over to the R side, in a gift-wrapped package.
@gdavis2020
@gdavis2020 25 күн бұрын
Y’all made an excellent point : the more educated we become , the more we want to emulate the people that have been in power for the longest. I’m Hispanic, and I’ve seen Hispanic with higher education and income ( due to equal opportunity ) now think they actually change he language and customs of Hispanics and they really come off as idiotic and condescending.
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