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@patrickshannon48544 ай бұрын
I've owned 9 single action revolvers, all Rugers. 4 had transfer bars, 5 without. There is a very important difference, between the two, in favor of transfer bars. Let's say you're hunting with a holstered pistol. You draw your pistol, cock it & then for some reason decide not to fire. With the transfer bar, all you need to do, is lower the hammer, reholster & you are safe. With no transfer bar, while you are standing out in the field, you must lower the hammer to half cock, manually rotate the cylinder till you can observe the empty chamber in the proper position before safely lowering the hammer. If you have fired one or more shots, then you have to do the above, count the number of fired chambers & then lower the hammer. If you've miscounted, or erred in indexing the cartridges through the thin gap tween the cylinder & recoil shield, then you may be presented with another problem. The pistol may not be safe as you've assumed, or when you choose to take your next shot, the hammer may drop on a fired case. Given the choice, I would 100% of the time choose a pistol with the safer, more practical transfer bar.
@chubbethsthunder4 ай бұрын
Dustin, Great explanation between a transfer bar and no transfer bar, In one of Mr. Elmer Keith's books Sixguns or Hell, I Was There A Montana Cowboy, he said that the old cowboys when they had money would roll up a bill in one of the chambers that the firing pin would rest on for safety and storage. You and your family have a beautiful and blessed weekend.
@Eltoroblancosass4 ай бұрын
Great video. I do cowboy action shooting and use the new deputy slicked up. Even with the transfer bar it doesn’t make a difference shooting wise. A little extra safety never hurt.
@snappers_antique_firearms4 ай бұрын
I am a none transfer bar kind of guy myself. But definitely understand why some choose it. Hey dustin what Ordinance report did you see colt say not to trust the safety notch? Keep up the great work and congrats on the new Studio
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
Duke showed it to me and I think it was in the book, A History of the Colt Revolver, but I’m not quoting it exactly. I don’t remember the phrasing.
@snappers_antique_firearms4 ай бұрын
@GunsOfTheWest Thanks, dustin. I will ask him. He might be referring to the military trials. It talks about 1 of the guns that broke, but in their words, they stated it had a clear and obvious manufacturing defect. But it says nothing about any recommendations on loading 5. I will ask him. He might have found something i haven't. I am always looking for information prior to early 1900 on the 5 versus 6. I find it to be extremely interesting. Subject.. I have found lots of information for them carrying 6, but Nothing yet about carrying 5. I do personally think carrying 5 is a smart thing to do. Other than a military doc from the 1890s, stating all pistols to be on an empty chamber during parades and inspection. This was for all pistols, not just SAAs. If you look at all Colts Advertisements from 1873-1940, they state safe to carry 6. Plus, most original colt SAA i have seen show quite a bit of wear on the safety notch. Especially US gov owned. I am working on a theory about where the carrying 5 came from. but still working on getting more evidence. Plus, it could all change if i find information on carrying 5. Also, when my 1880 US gov SAA gets back from lending it out. I'm happy to send it to you dustin
@abee.s.corpus24554 ай бұрын
A very good video. Too many people throw around phrases like "hammer block" or "transfer bar" or "safety hammer" with little concept of how these revolvers operate. The Taurus Deputy is the latest example of a transfer bar ignition being added onto the 1873 Colt lockwork. Prior examples include the EAA Bounty Hunter, the Uberti Horseman (I never saw one in the flesh), the Uberti-made Beretta Stampede, the Taurus Gaucho, and certain Piettas made for Traditions and Cabelas. Some of those designs were not terribly robust. Personally I think Ruger has the best engineered transfer-bar-equipped single action revolvers but even a Ruger may break a T-bar eventually. I read an interesting story from another cowboy action shooter. A member of the host club's board went bananas, reporting that the cowboy shooters were terribly unsafe, violating the basic rule that a shooter should keep finger off the trigger until sights were on target. Some of the cowboys were (gasp!) pulling the trigger on their revolvers at the loading and unloading tables! The cowboy match director had to educate the board members that a Colt style single action revolver cannot be loaded or unloaded without manipulating the hammer and the trigger.
@GenderSkins4 ай бұрын
The transfer bar as I understand, was the result of people attempting to carry 6 shots in a Ruger SSA revolver and kept dropping them causing the revolvers to go off. So Ruger took their 3 screw model, and redesigned it turning it into a two screw model that used a transfer bar. Now there are several variations on that story, but that’s the story I understood. I personally never carried one that had a transfer bar, and never had an issue carrying an SSA with 6 rounds in it.
@noapologizes20183 ай бұрын
I knew of transfer bars, but did not know how they operated. Thank you for some good useful information.
@vehdynam4 ай бұрын
Great information, and appreciated.
@Squib19114 ай бұрын
I have been working on my Studio today. Glad you have a dedicated space for videos. I'm still gonna use the reload bench from time to time, but I wanna do more in my Studio moving forward.. Thanx for doing the video. This information is very helpful to newer firearms owners.
@ArizonaGhostriders4 ай бұрын
Excellent info, Dustin.
@dutchvanderlinde94004 ай бұрын
Great video! Keep it up.
@danliberty7344 ай бұрын
The transfer bar alone is more preferred than the transfer bar and safety on the Heritage models from Taurus.
@SmallCaliberArmsReview4 ай бұрын
I agree with you Dustin. I like them historically accurate but I'm not against the transfer bar. I'm sure if Samuel had thought of it, he would have made them that way too.
@orbyboy1233 ай бұрын
I wanna see Schofields get the transfer bar treatment.
@BogeyTheBear4 ай бұрын
Suggestion for the back wall: At least one Wanted Poster of The High Fructose Gang
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
That’s actually already planned to be included!
@mherod514 ай бұрын
3 or 4yrs ago Uberti & Pietta decided to challenge Ruger's niche of the market (without using the same design) by offering a transfer bar in the hammer so you could load & safely carry 6rds instead of 5 - modern internals in a 180yr old ironic gun design. Like you, I'm a purist, so I was real concerned at the time that all new models were gonna be manufactured that way, but fortunately they weren't. As it turned out, the change was not widely announced, so most gun shops, if they stocked them, were getting in cowboy guns they didn't realize were different. I stepped into a shop back then & the guy behind the counter had no idea what he was selling. Literally, last week I stepped into another shop and showed an employee that he had 6 out of 9 transfer bar SAs in the case which he didn't know about. I demonstrated how they worked and he was totally surprised.
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
I remember that and I had the same worry. I’m sure glad we can still get the “real” ones!
@mherod514 ай бұрын
@@GunsOfTheWest, my concern was the tuning aspect of the guns with this new feature. I have Bob James out in Phoenix tune mine for fast draw, so I thought the new safety would be a problem. I called Bob and he said stay away from 'em - it'd be something else to break.
@andrewprice17744 ай бұрын
@GunsOfTheWest can you do anything on the 32-20 Winchester ( 32 wcf) please
@davidyoung90094 ай бұрын
I love both types but if I'm collecting then I am looking for the authentic Western style without the transfer bar. I own several with the transfer bar just so I can carry six rounds safely but dude it's hard to pass up a good buy on either type. I just absolutely love Western style revolvers!!!!!!
@chrisbecker67594 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. I've been shooting a revolver since before you were born and did not know this. I have 2 Rugers, neither of which have a transfer bar, but they also have no pin sticking out of the hammer. They both have a firing pin that the hammer rests on all the time. Fortunately they also have the quarter cock (I've seen some that don't). Now my old Army Remington copy does have that pin sticking out of the hammer, but I don't worry too much about it since it's never loaded unless I am busy shooting it.
@BayM144 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and congrats on the new studio!
@mikemuhlbach29513 ай бұрын
Once again great job. I l9ve my 1873 Piettas.
@WhatIfBrigade4 ай бұрын
Great explanation! I know it wasn't on the originals, still the ability to load six and be confident the hammer won't create negligent discharges on loaded chambers is an obvious improvement. Modern revolver manufacturers include a transfer bar. Because the ability to rest the hammer on a live round is a defect, not a feature.
@donaldgeezer3 ай бұрын
Excellent video sir. Any Idea where I can get one of those Taurus Deputys? I looked at my normal chain stores and didnt find one.
@jamesdudley803 ай бұрын
Difference is a hole where it’s not supposed to be without one
@35southkiwi164 ай бұрын
I love history and historical accuracy but it's hard to argue (imo) against the inherent safety that a transfer bar system offers. Maybe if colt had thought of it in 1873 it would have been around since then?
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
I’ve thought that too.
@paulkopacz50514 ай бұрын
What I would like to know about the Taurus is (other than the transfer bar) does it disassemble like a Colt or is it more like a Ruger Vaquero?
@jackdorsey48504 ай бұрын
nice talk
@robert40274 ай бұрын
I like the transferbar idea .. thanks for info and video
@PhantomObserver4 ай бұрын
-- What I'd recommend for your wall: any older firearm you own but don't want to use anymore due to safety reasons. Just figure out how to render it permanently safe and mount it in a glass case for display. (also keep a space for any YT viewer count certificate or trophy) -- for CAS / SASS rules, are there events where transfer bars *aren't* allowed in the weapons to be used? Because I can't see any reason for CAS/SASS to bar a weapon because it has a safety feature, so long as "cowboy load" is still being observed.
@abee.s.corpus24554 ай бұрын
SASS rules have ALWAYS allowed "New Model" Ruger single action revolvers which have had transfer bars since Ruger introduced them in 1973. The very first "End of Trail" match was won by a shooter using a Blackhawk. The Blackhawks are still legal although some scoring categories require fixed sight revolvers. Ruger eventually introduced the fixed sight Vaquero and later the New Vaquero (scaled down to approximately the size of a Colt SAA) which is probably the most popular revolver in the sport. SASS rules require shooters to load a six shot revolver with five rounds, hammer down on the empty chamber, regardless of whether the revolver has a transfer bar, a retracting hammer or some other type of passive safety. SASS rules emphasize safety.
@Cumlordcasa4 ай бұрын
As a first black powder revolver do you still recommend the pietta 1851 Colt navy in 36 cal?
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
I do.
@jimwiskus88624 ай бұрын
I had no idea this was a thing. So safe to assume this is for cartridge firing guns vs cap & ball?
@GunsOfTheWest3 ай бұрын
Right, the transfer bar would only be on a cartridge gun.
@rayc.13964 ай бұрын
Great video, but, transfer bars do break and your handgun will no longer work. I know too that firing pins also break rendering it a paper weight. To date I have replaced 3 transfer bars and 1 firing pin, different handguns. Maybe because I am old and was taught to fix the quarter click so they did work reliably that I still carry a cylinder full in all my 6 guns.
@oolooo4 ай бұрын
Transfer Bars are a bit safer for carrying with all rounds (Trust the Safety Notch) but Firing Pin on Hammer is FAR sexier
@Mihail5403 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm new here. Mister, where did you get such a cool hat?🎤
@GunsOfTheWest3 ай бұрын
J.W. Hats in Salt Lake City.
@Mihail5403 ай бұрын
@@GunsOfTheWest Oh, nice! Thank you
@ronie1337Ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@ADRay19994 ай бұрын
On Ruger a transfer bar is fine a transfer bar on a colt or clone 👎👎 I’m a history buff if it didn’t exist then it shouldn’t be on it now (And yes I understand some places require that but my attitude remains the same)
@darthcapone41994 ай бұрын
I can't find anyone taking about it or why not to but how come no one talks about resting the hammer in-between chambers ?
@GunsOfTheWest3 ай бұрын
It actually doesn’t work on these guns. The cylinder stops don’t line up for it and the cartridges are rimmed, so there’s no place for a firing pin to rest between them to hold the cylinder in place.
@Thoroughly_Wet4 ай бұрын
I like Uberti's system. It has the firing pin on the hammer, but its floating and only extends out when the trigger is pressed. Mimics the look of a fixed firing pin with *some* of the safety of the transfer bar. I say *some* because theres always that chance it gets fouled and stuck.
@jackclark294 ай бұрын
I have asked this question before and never got a answer. Does anyone make or have they ever made 36 cal pellets for 36 cal Navy cap and ball?
@GunsOfTheWest4 ай бұрын
Not that I’ve seen.
@jackclark294 ай бұрын
@GunsOfTheWest ok Thank You.
@dennistennyson88563 ай бұрын
No slap hammer means real six-gun.
@blueduck94094 ай бұрын
I dont like the transfer bar. Dirt and grit get in there and the pistol wont fire. I much more prefer the firing pin fixed on the hammer. The transfer bar is alright for a target gun, but if you want to carry one in the outdoors for any length of time, go with the pistol with out a transfer bar.
@sweetdrahthaar79514 ай бұрын
A valid opinion. My favorite handguns are single action revolvers. I have no interest in non-transfer bar, single action revolvers. If I’m ever in nasty enough conditions to consider needing a non-transfer bar, I’ll just use a flap holster.
@Wolf-yt5de4 ай бұрын
Great video and message. I to o have both the Cimmeron reproduction and a Ruger Blackhawk. Really depends on the situation. Do I need true accuracy? If I am with other, less experienced shooters or a public range, definitely the Transfer Bar!
@kennethhowell12724 ай бұрын
I owned a old Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag (3 screw) years ago. And I carried it for years loaded with 6, without incident, but due to the design it was always a possibility. So if a gun manufacturers makes a 6 shooter with a transfer bar that functions as normal (can I fan it), I lean towards safety over authenticity. Wish Ruger had developed a transfer bar system for their single actions like Taurus did, rather than what they did.
@travissekuttАй бұрын
v. cool
@greenbroccolistudios12754 ай бұрын
Call of Juarez And RDR2 vibes
@edmarmohr36114 ай бұрын
Muito legal 👏👍👍😄😄🇧🇷🇧🇷
@btj19694 ай бұрын
Nose, Hammer nose!
@cosmichef754 ай бұрын
Get a stuffed Buffalo head for the wall behind you.
@ADRay19994 ай бұрын
Or a pair of elk antlers or Texas long horn horns
@oregonoutback77794 ай бұрын
OMG Dustin, please don't tell me my beloved cowboy guns have gone trans 😳
@mikek80894 ай бұрын
I like the transfer bar system on my hunting revolvers, but I want "authentic" on my fun guns.
@KevinSmith-yh6tl4 ай бұрын
I miss the days when people were so well versed with their firearms,they didn't need a transfer bar. Oh well....
@abee.s.corpus24554 ай бұрын
Ruger had the same expectation that people who bought SA revolvers would understand how they operate. They were unpleasantly surprised.
@dennislloyd4944 ай бұрын
The purists would have a problem with it, it allows you to practically carry 6 off the range and into reality
@BayM144 ай бұрын
There are more practical options for carry in general, though. These guns are mostly to be enjoyed.