Transgender is Totally Not Like Transracial… Right?

Trans activists really don't like when their ideology is compared to transracialism. They'd like you to believe that this is because it's such a bad analogy that it annoys them, or must be disingenuous. But could it actually be because they don't have any arguments against this comparison?
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00:00 Intro
00:27 Transrace as an Analogy
05:20 Their Response
17:57 Cultural Appropriation
22:01 Conclusion

[@oliverhug3]

16:30 it`s so annoying that they always include lesbians, gay men and bisexuals in their stupid arguments. Sexual orientation is not something you identify into like identifying into the opposite sex.

[@andretorres8452]

Something that you are born with as opposed to choosing to become something after the fact.

[@randomusername3873]

That's because for some bizzarre reason trans people are put together with them in the LGBT community

[@drogen9987]

@@andretorres8452 how would you know?

[@sonyadonnegan1983]

A good question to ask these people is : If people had a dysphoria around their race, would this justify the claim that (a) they are the race they say they identify as, and (b) children with racial dysphoria should have their skin bleached or blacked?

[@anne_price]

Having gender dysphoria is already not a reason to claim that you are the "gender" (whatever that is) that you identify with. Why can't trans women be trans women and trans men be trans men? I think the problem lies with blurring the line between getting rid of physical traits that create discomfort and telling everyone you're the opposite sex and invade their space.

[@Canthavemybones]

And even still that probably wouldn’t be as bad as the medical harm of stunting puberty.

[@VTAcraft]

They'll say that's not a thing, despite the countless examples of it in fact being a thing.

[@siobhannoble8545]

"Just don't think" could be the Trans Cult's slogan.

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

Yup!!💯💯💯

[@Deuterocomical]

The best way to approach this conversation is to make a race vs ethnicity distinction in order to better parallel the sex vs gender distinction

[@xehaexox]

Oh, fun seeing you here too lol

[@Deuterocomical]

@@xehaexox Hey!

[@VTAcraft]

The way I approach this when they try to argue that race is biological is to tell them they're conflating genetic ancestry with racial identity. Literally all you have to do is put the word "identity" after any category (race identity, age identity height identity, etc.) and voilà.. you're no longer bound by material reality.

[@Deuterocomical]

@@VTAcraft Lol yeah seriously!

[@yamiyugi2894]

There's no such thing as sex when it comes to transracialism though because race isn't biologically real

[@InterstellarDreams]

Fact: this is the FIRST thing I can recall that made me start questioning gender ideology! More specifically, the Rachel Dolezal thing. I immediately noticed the parallels, and the extreme hypocrisy of it, as the whole story unfolded. Before those TRA defense mechanisms kicked in, of: "you are not supposed to ever think these very, very bad thoughts! You did NOT see this!" But.. funny how, when you start to see it, and you get that initial sense of "something is WRONG here", you can't really stop questioning it. Or at least I couldn't. Although it took me another 4 years to peak, (because I also fought it, HARD), but I think this was where it all started. "Oh, there's a weird glitch in the Matrix!" / "No, no, NO, there isn't! Lemme just ignore it!" / "Yes, there is.. F*ck." ..I've got the kind of brain that really likes to think in parallels and comparisons. So I think that might have been part of the reason why it worked so well on me. May not work on other people, with different kinds of brains, though. But also, you really never would have known that this one seed found fertile ground, and started growing, for at least the first few years, there! Because I was determined to pretend like it didn't! To myself, even. So.. perhaps there is more hope than we sometimes think. :) I wonder if Terians may also work as a similar example, for other people..? There are young people right now who SINCERELY believe they are, in some kind of meaningful way, not human. That they should in fact have been a different species. (It is also all based on dumb stereotypes, an overactive imagination, and often mental illness, it seems.) Although they still recognize the fact that they're biologically human, though! Whereas current-day TRAs are now largely DENYING the reality of biological sex, altogether. So it's kind of funny, (and also, tragic), seeing the Terians basically mirror the earlier days of gender ideology, in a whole bunch of ways!! History repeats itself. :P

[@NORTHCL4WZ]

as a therian myself i’d just like to input: i call myself a therian because i do experience involuntary animalistic behaviors and urges (if you want examples i’ll give them but i won’t get into that right now). i wouldn’t say i identify as an animal-i just experience things that aren’t completely normal and can be described as more “animal” than human. however there are people who DO quite literally identify as animals on a non physical level which is a little iffy for me. i think a lot of people enjoy wearing labels too much so they make it their whole personality. i can see the similarities between gender ideology and therians/therianthropy. all of this is interesting to say the least.

[@sordidnotes]

“there’s nothing about me, above the waist…” LMAO 💀 slipped that in there so casually

[@sordidnotes]

side note thanks for another great video :D

[@notamberlee]

a lot of tras say racial dysphoria isn’t a thing and therefore it’s different from transgenderism, but i would argue that it definitely is. many, many young black girls wish they were white so they didn’t have to deal with racism. i remember a few years ago, there was this white boy that was adopted by chinese parents, and so obviously his english had that accent, and everyone made fun of him; i bet he wished he was ethnically chinese, so he could fit in with his family and have his poor english and accent be forgiven. i’m mixed race, but race is very complex here in south africa due to apartheid. my father is black and my mother is coloured, but i spent a lotttt more time around my father’s family than i did my mother’s, so i align much more with calling myself black, but most people in the country see me as coloured, esp due to my lighter skin tone (i’m literally more pale than you when my father is a whole ass black, dark-skinned zulu man, but i think that’s just because my depression makes me stay inside all day). to overseas countries, esp westerns, i’m seen as black. i guess you could say i have race dysphoria from being viewed as coloured when i consider myself black, so i guess if i darkened my skin and started “acting” more like zulu people, that would be fine.

[@Deuterocomical]

My brother and I called in to ask the same question a few months ago. Their response boiled down to “there’s no empirical evidence of racial dysphoria, so it would be offensive to accept it until then”

[@masscreationbroadcasts]

Did you ask "why is affirming gender dysphoria valid"?

[@Deuterocomical]

@@masscreationbroadcasts I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t think we did. We were trying to play it off really cool like “how do I answer people who say transracialism is equally valid?” and then just sat back and listened to their hypocrisy. It was the show on 12.28.2023 if you’re interested, caller named “John”

[@initial_kd]

Not everyone who believes in gender identity is in agreement what constitutes as gender incogruence (*hint* it's all made up social shite and mostly stereotypes); some don't even believe gender incogruence is required and that it's a trans med tru scummy view to say otherwise! Trans racial makes more sense than gender because race passing exists, what about people who are of mixed ethnicity? Race itself is a social term so it's definitely as valid as genser identity which is also a social term. I mean that's if you are not like me and find race/genser are valid descriptions/categorisations.

[@HellCatt0770]

That’s not true! There’s plenty of evidence of dark skinned girls bleaching skin, straightening hair, having surgeries to alter their racial facial features to more European/white aesthetic! It’s a very well known phenomenon that has affected most cultures!

[@stefanyordanov2885]

In translation: transracial is not a thing because the democrats now have all the cultural and institutional power and they say so.

[@noah1502]

the final step in most trans ideological arguments is “just dont think about it”

[@HellCatt0770]

No, the step immediately after your rational argument is to call you a transphobic nazi and attempt to get you fired/deplatformed/removed

[@xehaexox]

"Above the waist" Cheeky

[@yvettenary7850]

😆😆😆 I thought the same thing!

[@CashmereWool]

Thank you. Listening to you is a bit like watching a hopelessly tangled ball of thread being untangled and stretched out

[@KC_Streams]

Thanks!

[@VTAcraft]

Unlike sex, transracialism is literally a spectrum that's (largely) socially constructed. And unlike sex it's not important to racially segregate things like sports, locker rooms, and prisons. Therefore transracialism is both infinitely more valid and less societally damaging than transgenderism.

[@DJgreshnica]

What I really don't understand is how you can change YOUR gender if it's a SOCIAL construct. Money is also a social construct, but I can't give the cashier a twenty in the store and say that I'm going to accept it as fifty. Same with race lmfo

[@KaiDecadence]

Even if people are bringing up the "trans-racial" angle with dishonesty, so what? If trans ideology is a full-proof ideological concept then it should be able to stand and be simple enough to dismantle something that is seen as "dishonest" while retaining it's material truth. It's just funny how these people just do not see how nebulous and ridiculous the trans ideology is and it's why they try so hard to get people to not try to even question it because once you do, it starts to not make sense and the "trans racial" or even "trans-species" arguments really demonstrate this untenable belief. 18:06 LOL... (The Curb Your Enthusiasm theme playing in the background as we see various images of trans-identifying men taking on stereotypes of women from mild to super AGP style) They really walked into that one, if you shouldn't fall on stereotypes for trans-racialism, why is it different when it comes to sex class? Hmm....

[@DorianPaige00]

A natal female can instill a male puberty with testosterone and massive changes would happen. It's always a transwoman argument because they don't change as much especially if they are large. Sure the chromosomes will be the same but the body will develop when the medicine is taken into the body and processed. The Louisiana governor has no problem with castrating sex offenders and thus giving them low dose estrogen for bone maintenance saying that one can live a healthy life for years. My question to you is why are transgender people treated worse than that by denying them medicine? Why should the incentive be to offend as the only legal way to obtain gender affirming care? As a side-note adult bans are effectively in place in Florida and now South Carolina where a doctor can not be reimbursed with Medicaid or Medicaid dollars for any other procedure non-transgender related for any non-transgender patient. A doctor is totally excluded and thus will be bankrupt. In Florida, 80% of adult transgender patients lost their provider because the Draconian regulations make it unprofitable. There literally has been over 5,000 laws proposed over the last couple years regarding this group.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

I align with your points, King Critical! It is absurd and blatantly insulting for my ex-husband, the father of my sons, to identify as me, their mother. When someone says why didn't women block this, I respond that we were not asked.

[@twocanplay7976]

It's like a cancer growing inside you, and you didn't know until you received the test results. "Well why didn't you stop this sooner?" Well I didn't know and never gave the cancer permission to spread.

[@HellCatt0770]

As a woman I find it infuriating and offensive that men can just assume they can ‘wear’ woman face and be angry at my objection 🤬

[@zachb8012]

Excuse me, transphobe. I think you mean, "people who menstruate face". Just because you birthing people can produce theybies from your front Vs and nurture them with your chest feeding you think you own the whole ladies book club? I can leak fluids out of my nipples too, all I need is an internal sense of self, a prescription, and the police to police my pronouns.

[@DorianPaige00]

Women wear pants everyday and take men's jobs.

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

It’s not woman face

[@zachb8012]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Right I think she meant, "people who menstruate face".

[@kasikule]

​@@zachb8012hilarious parody of what the transes talk like bro you got the whole squad laughing

[@TheLongestConfidence]

Transracialism actually makes a lot more sense. Race isn't even a thing in humans, and the thing we call "race" is just some variable of the skintone, which is certainly something that can change (go watch the white people at the beach in the summer).

[@starstorm1267]

Also can change due to genetics, like vitiligo. Which is why Michael Jackson went from black skin to white skin

[@HellCatt0770]

Colour is on a spectrum and nationality is literally a made up construct based on some lines someone defined on a map.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@starstorm1267 and albinism. Which in some cultures can be a death sentence.

[@logenvestfold4143]

Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other. I’d even add trans-species to the table since these are all basically a social construct.

[@TheLongestConfidence]

@logenvestfold4143 Good thing we don't let anthropologists decide things about biology then, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Altho, you also don't know what you're talking about concerning anthropology either, so I don't know what to tell you. But you've clearly gone off the deep end into fantasy land.

[@lizparker8431]

Why is ‘blackface’ offensive but ‘womanface’ not?

[@DorianPaige00]

Maybe women need to stop wearing pants and if the Claremont Institute has any say, they won't have many professional licenses. Keep stirring the pot.

[@mephistofleece]

@@DorianPaige00here you are... arguing that clothes make a man or a woman 😂 you can be a feminine man and wear feminine clothes. You will still be a man. Clothes won't change your gender, dude . Man in drag is just that. Even if you cut your bits off and inject chemicals that mimic sex Hormones ... you won't change your gender. Drag queens do woman face. It is a sort of low end entertainment for adults. That's it, women face for entertainment.

[@Zarqaa_]

Maybe because you don’t know the history of Blackface and it’s racist context. Gender =/= Racism

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Exactly!!

[@robertocojones4471]

Another interesting parallel that debunks gender ideology is transage. Consider the following. 1. Age is a social construct. To "assign" an age based upon how many times the Earth as circled the sun is purely arbitrary. One could use any celestial event its place. 2. Age is a spectrum. Few people are exactly the age they claim. 3. Age is fluid. It changes over time. 4. Age has a psychological component. Some children have mental and emotional ages far beyond their years. Some adults have mental and emotional ages far beneath their years. 5. Age has a physiological component. Some people have genetic factors granting them a physiological age significantly greater (or lesser) than their chronological age. All that said, no one would tolerate anyone proclaiming an age that contradicts their chronological age. In contrast, everyone would tell that person that objective reality takes priority over whatever age he or she wishes to identify as. The same standard should apply to "gender."

[@cooksoni.a]

Excellent response. These scripted videos are so razor sharp. The trans race question is what lead to the ultimate demise of my belief in gender identity, and it took many years. I was absolutely stumped by it. I combed the internet for answers, because i knew it had to be different. But nobody actually could answer the question. I thought i had to be missing something, i had to just be dumb because i couldnt make sense of it in my mind.This video you responded to is pretty much standard for gender nuts trying to answer it. And they would give these responses with such conviction and imply that its so obvious how it was different, yet all they did was dance around the question. My professor once posed the question to our class, and while i was trying to answer it, it kept falling apart in my mind while i was talking. I got so frustrated with myself, and thought about it seriously every month for 5 or 6 years until i accepted that it was just as much bullshit as transgenderism.

[@Elizabeth-po4qd]

Above the waist killed me. So off the cuff 😂😂

[@chamuuemura5314]

Admitting to curly leg hairs is TMI.

[@PeakTrans]

Same. I laughed so hard at that!

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Same!! His gf must love that part of him, lol

[@PeakTrans]

@@winxclubstellamusa Gf? Wife now, if I'm not mistaken. 🙂

[@winxclubstellamusa]

@@PeakTrans and now we know why she said yes! Lol. In addition to him being handsome, sane, and smart.

[@gypsylee333]

There's nothing about me ABOVE THE WAIST that can be mistaken as black 😂😂😂 Good one lolll

[@polymathable]

fantastic! 😂

[@noah1502]

also, trans racial isnt ONLY an argument against trans ideology. there are PLENTY of people who wish they were korean or japanese due to their fetishization of their desired culture. there are plenty of people who wish they were white to be treated better by society. there are plenty of people who wish they were black to be treated better by society. you can culturally observe this for the past hundreds of years. even in modern day you see white or asian or middle eastern people performing black culture and they could easily say “oh i LIVE as a black person” which would be absurd.

[@nietkees6906]

In the first case a nice comparison could be made to autogynephilia.

[@Sawelwall]

4:52 above the waist 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MedusaGold]

I don’t understand why transracial is bs. I think it’s more valid than transgender. Race is MERELY identity backed by your ancestry but say I am 1% African and grew up in a Black neighborhood around Blacks. I identify as Black AND I have Black ancestry…who knows how those genes play out.

[@TheUnhousedWanderer]

These people tend to believe in CRT. Just ask them if racial identity exists, and they might tend to agree. If so, then one CAN identify as another race

[@Toastie16]

Thank you for helping me realise just how bananas the trans ideology truly is. I drank the kool aid for the longest time, a few terms/reasonings bothered me but I brushed them off because I thought I still believed in their core values. More and more started bothering me but I couldn’t articulate what exactly. You’re a gem.

[@gle..]

Transracial actually makes some sense. I look like a white person, but i do have a small percentage african dna. Technically i am african. If i identified that way it wouldnt be incorrect, although it would look pretty silly considering i look thoroughly caucasian.

[@maggienewton8518]

So glad you challenged Arden on this. And you did it so well. I watched a few videos of Transatlantic expecting the same standards of argument to trans issues as is delivered generally on atheist topics this host covers. I wanted to understand since I was having concerns as to how so little of the trans activist arguments were based on anything measurable and I could see the terrible consequences such beliefs could lead to for others, especially women and children. I was immediately struck by the dishonesty, the dodges, the mocking and talking over callers, and how these hosts were using the same flawed argument style and fallacies that they rip apart when discussing atheism. So thanks again, KC. More of these well thought out challenges are needed to counter people like Arden who ride largely on popularity, counting on that being enough to be taken at their word.

[@initial_kd]

I know race is a lot of social bollocks but why do these people deliberately ignore the fact one can be mixed ethnicity or heaven forbid a different skin tone? If gender identity is a valid descriptor/categorisation i don't see why transracial can't be? Gender identity proponents don't all agree on gender incogruence anyway. Some think it's tru scummy to say you need gender dysphoria and they don't even agree with constitutes as incogruence. Edit: I don't believe in race as a concept and I'm gender abolitionist in view (without the post modern critique), they reason's i feel that way overlap for both.

[@russellsample2763]

I hate transphobes and people who see other people as lesser because of some intrinsic quality about them, but this is a situation where I don't think I agree with the "good side". I want to support these people but I do appreciate taking the time to make a logical, fact-driven argument to point out where transgenderism doesn't make sense. It's like yes, I support you, but I don't agree with you. The thing with it too is if you fight against it at all you're instantly labeled a transphobe and a bigot, when really from at least this video it doesn't seem like you are, you're just pointing out actual holes in the argument that should be addressed.

[@twocanplay7976]

Will come back to watch this later, until then have an algorithm comment!

[@pamelaglickman1216]

From what I've seen, every TACIS short that gets posted gets a negative response from commenters (and that's even with many commenters getting censored). The longer videos get more positive responses. I'm guessing that's either cos supporters are more willing to watch their longer content or they censor their longer content more thoroughly. Either way, it's worth checking out the comments on TACIS shorts. Also, their idea of a call going "well" is really strange. They edited one of my calls into a video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjEp5x4mphrmas) and it's the one where the hosts are constantly contradicting themselves and each other which makes them look like complete idiots. I guess they think me being confused by their contradictory nonsense means when they're beating me, LOL. It's like they think they're playing Undertale and the goal is to mentally trick me into not fighting them, rather than actually convince me of anything.

[@KC_Streams]

That is interesting actually. I mean my understanding is that the show is hosted on an atheist channel so i guess a lot of people there aren't necessarily likely to be fans of trans ideology

[@pamelaglickman1216]

@@KC_Streams True!

[@scottblack7182]

Thank you thank you thank you! Been dying to hear someone call bull on Ardens "logic".

[@sasha8345]

what’s so interesting is that people have identified into races all the time. race classification debates have been a long standing precedent, with the law even stepping in to try and guide this such as the one drop rule

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

This!

[@ManducaFlown]

This is all very rational and reasonable and aligns with what most people probably think but can’t articulate. The scary thing is that when I was growing up, this is how the mainstream thought. This would be the compassionate cultural position. But now, this rational thought sounds unusual and subversive and would not be aired in mainstream media for fear of it being too extreme. Let’s hope things normalise and it becomes socially acceptable to engage your brain again.

[@lizzysmith5365]

One of the best videos explaining all of this!

[@MostlyCloudy]

He said "above the waist" 🤣

[@otakubullfrog1665]

The one ingredient that transracialism is still lacking is the veneer of science, but all it would take would be for some professor at a university with a PhD or other credentials after their name to study the phenomenon and publish a paper filled with graphs and charts in a scientific journal and to have it be accepted by the cathedral. Any social justice activist looking for a new pet cause could then point to the existence of the paper (even if they haven't read it) whenever it's pointed out that their talking points don't make sense. The sticking point at the moment is that researchers don't know in advance if the cathedral would accept their work, but there'd quickly be a flood of such papers if this were signaled.

[@ultracringehandybookphile1252]

The transracial stuff is what made me start question the mainstream narrative on gender identity etc. No one can take the pro - gender identity arguments, apply them consistently to a "transracial" identity and not realize that by the same standards, transracial is at least as legitimate if not more than transgender (as a category of sorts, not as a reality obviously, I'm not arguing in favor of discrimination etc. that's something completely different that trans activists don't seem to get)

[@anewagora]

The primary argument for the difference is that gender is a biologically meaningful set of traits driven towards reproduction. Race doesn't carry any of this biological power. There's almost nothing more powerful than the biological drive to reproduce. That's why most people automatically see a difference. Race is much shallower and limited to appearance.

[@MostlyCloudy]

The algorithm has been kind enough to show me your channel. New sub!

[@gaytoast]

Commenting fot the algorithm but also because you do gods work here and im thankful

[@TePPoP776]

This is an algorithm comment and a reminder that discord link is broken

[@vickicaravella4665]

Great arguments KC❤

[@breekolean2758]

Have you ever noticed that people talking about transexuals haven't had genital surgery. Really tired of them pushing thier clothing fetish and sexual orientation issues onto my transexual medical history.

[@Canthavemybones]

I used to be a huge fan of the Line and all their hosts until they exposed their own fallacies and cognitive dissonance with trans topics. They’re incredibly arrogant and equally dishonest.

[@saoirse2963]

Many channels and people like that unfortunately.... 😔 I stopped watching and unsubscribed to so many channels over this. I just can't take anything they say seriously after that. I mean, if you are blind to these glaring fallacies and inconsistencies, who know what else you are blind to. And if you do it for clout and grift, even worse.

[@Canthavemybones]

@@saoirse2963 exactly. They’re not people I can take any serious intellectual guidance from and it made me rethink all their other talking points on various topics. I’d feel so much better if it was a grift but they are definitely true believers or just afraid of any form of dissent.

[@nietkees6906]

I also like the transage comparison and even asked it once to them. The transage argument has the advantage that age roles clearly exists. Adults are for example not expected to play with dolls. And people also already say ´I feel old´. And the inheritance argument doesn´t work of course as you pointed out in the video.

[@markadams8041]

LARPing is LARPing. I used to say transgender. I am done with it.

[@Canthavemybones]

I always see this word capitalized. Is this an acronym?

[@markadams8041]

@@Canthavemybones yup, live action role playing. You can be a dinosaur, a person of color or a member of another sex or gender according to transgender nonbinary ideology

[@markadams8041]

@@Canthavemybones kids do it. Only children should do it. Adult human beings should be ashamed of themselves if they do it. There is no pride in being an adult who is LARPing.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@Canthavemybones "live action role playing"

[@Canthavemybones]

@@Gingerblaze 😂🤣 nice

[@gregorycollins6561]

Above the waist!

[@nigelfrench8894]

It would have been interesting to see more of the video in question.

[@HarryPeat]

Love your content bro ❤

[@Ian-ky5hf]

Excellent video.

[@jmlorenzo3639]

Nope. Its exactly the same. Cosplay.

[@nancyhopkins389]

"Verse" is incorrect. The word is "versus."

[@KC_Streams]

Thanks... I don't know words

[@paulawade1446]

Thanks!

[@K2daMFG]

Race was invented in the 1600's. Women (including trans women) have been around since written history (and probably before written history). Transgenderism is something that is based on behavioral factors whereas race isn't. You can't act black, but you can act like a black stereotype (and even that stereotype changes as black culture changes). When a black child is born and develops their personality they are no different than an Asian or white child. When a trans child is born and develops their personality, the difference in behavior is stark and oftentimes the parent will socialize them away from that behavior to varying results. Do white parents have to socialize their 11 month old out of acting "Black" and what behaviors would a white child be exhibiting that would be black behavior? I think the evidence shows that there is actually something biologically sound and brain related at the earliest states of human development about being transgender, and there is nothing biologically sound about being a transrace person.

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

Oh please... the term "gender identity" and other buzzwords used by trans activists are less than 70 years old, that's hardly anything in the scope of human civilization. Also no... there is no credible evidence of "trans women" in history. Historically in fact there are numerous cases in which people have claimed to be a different tribe, race or ethnicity than their own. You can "act black" in the same way a man can "act like a woman", both statements are equally loaded, presumptuous and bigoted. The difference between them is society treats men who claim to be women as a special protected group which it in no way does to a white person claiming to be black or Asian. Dylan Mulvaney is the definition of a walking minstrel show but just for women, and he is mostly lauded and praised by the mainstream press and academia, has a career cosplaying a woman and has made millions from it. We as a sex are being told to not only accept said behavior but celebrate it. I say all this as a black TERF!

[@aceinspadesz4882]

Do you think you might call in on the transatlantic show on tuesdays and thursday woth Adren and Lux?

[@user-tw3rh9po4t]

Right, actually.

[@purplecubeman01]

If we can honor and take people at face value when they say they identify as the oppsite gender, we should honor what someone trans racial says if its the same concept and practice. Anyone who says "I identify as ______" we should just honor and agree. People cant have their cake and eat it too. Its fucked to yes to one group of people and no to another.

[@user-mg1zm8zq1w]

Race, biologically speaking, doesn't exist. We all are far and away much more the same than we are different. Race, politically speaking, socially and culturally speaking, DO exist, yes. But if we are to differentiate peoples based on their skin colour, if we measure by that yardstick, then we could use eye colour or hair colour as a means to differentiate ourselves with absolutely just as much validity!

[@lailolema]

good points. Im ambiguous looking, so people always ask; what i r u? Id prob just say im aracial or racefluid and watch them throw a fit. 😅

[@DT-xz7hb]

The conflation of race and ethnicity in US American discourse makes the original question very difficult to understand and deal with properly. The analogy should be: race/sex and ethnicity/gender. Although race and sex are based in physical reality (race to a much lesser extent of course, as genetic variation within homo sapiens does not come close to the standard used in biology. The animal dog has real races - the animal human does not.) So, can you ”become black”, like Rachel Dolezal attempted/claimed to have? Racially, well no. Socially, that is ethnically - well of course! ”Changing” or transcending the ethnicity you were born and raised it is the story of countless people throughout all of human history. You will always have this history of transcending, though. I was A, and became B. That is not a bad thing in and out if itself. It seems to me that some people have a neurotic fear of this change, ironically. That to me seems to be the real transfobia: hating the ’trans-’ and only acknowledge the ’-woman’ of transwomen

[@kacrichton4434]

It seems like the argument is we are in a post-racial society (which isn't true), but we are not in a post-gender one. People actually believe there is something inherently different (spiritually) between man and woman, but they don't believe there is something different between different races.

[@cosmiccutie6687]

Yasuke was trans-nipponese /s

[@Amy-wy1gd]

I love that you take Katie Montgomerie on and he replies twice then runs a mile cos he's not nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is. 😂 Thanks for doing that!

[@JENTHINKSO]

"Above the waist" Ugh. That was unfortunately ignorant in an otherwise thoughtful discussion.

[@afroaesthete3701]

Agreed 😒

[@brockreynolds870]

It's a joke!!! Good lord.

[@saoirse2963]

It's a joke...

[@JENTHINKSO]

@@brockreynolds870 Racist "jokes" aren't funny unless they're meant to make fun of racism itself. This "joke" was simply an insensitive reference to a racial stereotype. And good fucking lord to you, too.

[@JENTHINKSO]

@@saoirse2963 I know he didn't mean to, but he slipped up and made a racist joke. It's not the end of the world and it doesn't mean he's a horrible person. We all make mistakes. He seems to be a man of integrity so I'd guess he'd prefer to avoid repeating it.

[@johnharmon536]

Yet cool.Can we stop using the phrase?I destroyed? It is completely played out And has zero impact

[@ambientjohnny]

Guess you're not really "hip" to tone.

[@someonesomeone25]

Both are fine. And transspecies / otherkin. I'd even go so far as to say that thinking otherwise is just closed-minded prejudice.

[@AlquimistEd]

🤨🤨

[@someonesomeone25]

@@AlquimistEd What's the issue?

[@AlquimistEd]

@@someonesomeone25 you

[@someonesomeone25]

@@AlquimistEd I don't see how.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@someonesomeone25 Otherkin is rational now?

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

Here’s the sufferers and see if you spot it. Race and racial identity is not an internalised thing. There are tons of people of different races who feel comfortable appreciating art forms that are usually not associated with their racial community. For example there are blank people who love rock music and country music there are white people who love hip hop and rap. It’s not seen as purely dosh to race of you like those Yong’s. It’s not an internal thing. Your gender identity is an internal thing that your gender identity doesn’t match your body. I know this difficult for people the anti trans side to understand. That a lot of trans people try to deny the feelings especially with the climate now Brcause who wants to be told they are making people uncomfortable or they are potential groomers.

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

Here's the problem with your argument. You assume natal women have this "internal feeling" about our sex or our identity as women which is what makes us women, the problem is... we don't. I'm a woman because I'm an adult human female and that's about it. Being a woman isn't a feeling, an expression or a performance... It's an immutable trait that is entirely biological and objective. So no, I don't think trans identified males are actually women. Most people don't either.

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

@@nataliekhanyola5669most people are wrong then. It doesn’t matter it’s a reality. Again being of female sex is one thing, then we have womanhood where people’s expression of they looks different. Now for a small percentage the same way we get a smell percentage who have two eyes a different colour or the heart on the wrong place. Their body doesn’t match its not an argument and the fact you think it’s one of the issue it isn’t. This is t like of one believes in a fox or one’s political beliefs. All of which are subjective opinions this an experience that is stressful especially if you are forced which people thanks to the cass report looks likely to go through the wrong puberty. Now things things are demonstrably things that happen in peoples lives. I’m Not trans I just was alive in the 90s when people said the same things about gay people

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

@@nataliekhanyola5669no one argues that sex isn’t a real thing wgat people argue is it’s not a set path for everyone

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Why are you so obsessed with lying about humans being able to change sex? Humans cannot change sex.

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Except it is! Sex is an immutable, biological trait, it's not some "pathway" you can take or change... no matter how much trans activists wish it were. I can't change my sex, and neither can the men who claim to be women. Likening sex to a pathway is like saying your species is a pathway, "being human is a pathway that not all people take, some people can choose to identify as Goldfish or Horses." To me that's how ridiculous trans activists sound.

[@lindsaesimmons3913]

Race is a social construct.

[@babs_babs]

race is a social construct based on lineage. gender is a social construct based on neurology. your race is going to be determined by the race of your parents. your gender is going to be determined by your brains wiring. acting like the two can be conflated and you can just opt in and out of identities for either one is intentionally bad faith.

[@chatouilleultimate2811]

Before a pedophile created the term "gender identity", the term gender referred to a grammatical concept, not expression or brain wiring. Men and women are therefore technically not genders although in some languages they are gendered. Men and women are sexes not expression or brain wiring.

[@user-pt1ky6db9y]

Race is also based on neurology in the way sex is based on biology. Infact, he addressed this in the video by claiming that if we were to be honest, we could just construct a "racial identity" that has high correlation with race but can differ. Just like gender identity and sex. We could also claim that racial identity is determined by one's brain wiring. What is stopping you from understanding how the analogy is perfect, and honestly, transracialism makes more sense than transgenderism is because the left is currently engaged with the black, Jewish and Hispanic communities. If the liberal train isn't halted, I guarantee in the next 20 years, if not sooner, transracialism would resurface as a "legitimate" ideology and people of the past would be called transphobic.

[@babs_babs]

@@user-pt1ky6db9y there is no inherent differences between the neurology of different races. there are inherent differences between the neurologies of different genders. race is not based in neurology or biology. gender is. that’s not an opinion that’s what every textbook on these topics say and no you can’t just claim racial identity is determined by brain wiring. you’d have to have proof to make that claim

[@user-pt1ky6db9y]

@@babs_babs I concede the point with the race being based on neurology. That was an off-the-cuff comment. I have no proof for my claim. Just like there was no proof of gender differences many years ago. And in the current political climate, I don't expect any meaningful research into this topic. Just remember, gender differences weren't studied years ago either. And it's not just because of lack of technology. It's because this idea was bollocks then just like transracialism is bollocks now.

[@babs_babs]

@@user-pt1ky6db9y you’re telling me that years ago, there was no proof that boys and girls had different minds?

[@ithraldharzul6887]

Since I have had the displeasure of seeing this video come across my recommended, please allow me to take a crack at explaining why these ideas are not analogous to your satisfaction. As far as I can track it, your argument seems to be: Definitions: Race: a mix of ethnicity and skin tone, but mostly skin tone 1. Race is ambiguous sex is generally not, outside various exceptions* 1.5. Implied but not explicitly stated gender and sex are inherently and inexorably linked to the point of being synonyms (please do correct me if I am wrong here) 2. Ergo being transsexual (and from your implicit assumption transgender) makes no sense due to the minimal ambiguity 3. Due to risk of causing offense the nonsense of any trans identity should be ignored I concede at the outset baring significant advances in human biology changing sex in its entirety** is impossible for humans My argument is as follows: Definitions: Race: As it applies to modern humans is a meaningless word, created by a bunch of people who were fond of measuring skulls. It only becomes real once a population of humans is no longer able to breed with another population of humans. Ethnicity: The cultural background of a person to include food, customs, traditions, religion, and any other cultural demarcation regardless of skin tone. 1. Being trans-ethnic is entirely possible, example: someone raised in the US marries a foreigner and adopts the ethnic customs of their spouse forsaking their birth ethnicity. 2. Sex and gender are not the same thing. Just like skin color and ethnicity are not the same thing. One is inherent, the other is performed. 3. Being transgender is comparable to left handedness as gender identity is innate, even if the performance of it varies from ethnicity to ethnicity. 4. It's only unacceptable to be "trans-racial" because the US ethnicity, among many other ethnicities deem skin tone to be race, and said ethnicities have brutalized various skin tones and ethnic backgrounds for fun and profit. Our contention seems to be in disagreement over the meaning of the word "race", and understanding of handedness vs performing gender. I will full stop deny race any credence as a real category until such time as modern humans manage to become a ring species, or a branch of human evolution becomes unable to breed with another branch, or the parent body (aka all humans alive today). Without a back and forth that must suffice and I will assume my definition of race and substitution with my definition of ethnicity is acceptable (though regrettably it does ruin your dick joke though the stereotype is dumb and likely founded in racism and fears of mixed marriages, ultimately skin tone is not a good predictor of penis size). In regards to gender identity being comparable to handedness, I can share various anecdotes from those I know, but in an attempt to keep things empirical, and avoid one offs such as Alan Turing's suicide likely being caused by forced feminization (taking estrogen as ordered by the court) resulting in dysphoria between gender and perceived sex, due to a conviction of being gay, I would instead point out this study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/ which makes it clear at least in the case of trans women (the study did not include trans men) even prior to hormonal intervention their brains appear to be disproportionately more inline with females than with males. The consistency with which self reporting prior to intervention shows that result strongly suggests that similar to being left handed, it's a quirk of brain development that people end up being trans gender. In conclusion, I reject your definition of race in its totality as it's not an impartial term as you use it, and it's presence muddies the waters of a real discussion due it's cultural implications. I Further offer a weight on the scale in favor of gender being closer to handedness than you give it credit for, and if this were not a youtube comment would search for replications of the study. Or other studies that do an analysis of multiple reports of lived experience in absence of more brain scans. However I think I provided sufficient evidence to at the minimum bring your implied connection of external sex and internal gender into question, in addition to substituting my own definitions for yours resulting in a requirement to re-evaluate what trans-racial means. As under my definition it's impossible unless someone were to try to become a horse or other entity incapable of breeding with humans, and the cultural component is perfectly valid unless you want to get into no true Scotsmen teritory. *michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/sites/michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/files/wysiwyg_uploads/beyondxxthumbnail_3.png **though the effects of HRT bring observable characteristics outside gonadal and chromosomal characteristics aline a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8090355/

[@ambientjohnny]

"aline (sic) a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals" :D :D :D Yeah, dressing up or having purely cosmetic surgery is "just like the real thing" :D :D :D The hubris with which you lot defend cosplaying really betrays your emotional immaturity. Refusing to accept the physical reality you were born into is the polar opposite of "being your authentic self". Bunch of narcissists who think they can bully the world into their demands of transcending material reality just because they want it to be so, and then the avalanche of projection, accusing others of being "anti-science", "bigoted" etc. which follows because you can't make others do what you want. The constant mention of males becoming weaker on HRT is one of the dumbest "arguments" you lot have, because it's a complete "so what" issue; weak males are still male. Maybe geriatric male pensioners should also be allowed in female spaces and sports too because of their weakness? Or should we have a strength-test to determine whether people are men or women next?

[@ambientjohnny]

This comment posted above was also relevant to your bs: logenvestfold4143 "Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other."

[@AlquimistEd]

Ah yes, the classic "HRT gives me big boobs, therefore I am *more* of a woman now" no, HRT doesn't _somewhat_ change sex any more than aesthetic facial surgeries change race, it does not change sex at all, secondary characteristics are not sex.

[@geekgurl2000]

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[@fat_boy_slim]

I love the argument that, gender isn’t heritable? Like how do you think heritability is inherited? Through reproduction, and gender is informed by biological sex, which is the vehicle for passing down genes that we inherit

[@PussyWillowFairy]

4:45 “There is nothing about me-above the waist-that would indicate that I would be black…” 🤣

[@PussyWillowFairy]

3:24 “Vaginary” 🙃

[@PussyWillowFairy]

9:55 Arden’s argument depends on sidestepping biological sex to hide behind the ambiguity of “gender identity.” Arden tries to widen the gulf between “transgenderism” & “transracialism” by contrasting the heritability of racial features with the unfalsifiability of gender identity. However, like racial features, sex chromosomes are heritable & influence one’s phenotype. Gender incongruence is based on feeling dissonance with one’s sex phenotype. This makes the comparison of race to biological sex more apropos than the comparison of race to gender identity. Also, Arden’s sleight of hand contradicts the motives of the transgender movement. The transgender movement wants an individual’s internal gender identity to be socially enforced. More specifically, they want laws & language changed to accommodate gender identities in society. So, we are back at square one: Why can a man _socially_ identify as a woman while a white person cannot _socially_ identify as black?

[@oliverhug3]

They need the existence of the "trans child" because without it the "internal sense of someone`s gender identity" falls apart.

[@ExeErdna]

I remember when this was starting to boom over 10 years. Due to me being into scifi and social issues, etc. They REALLY disliked when I brought up the fact transgenderism is just a poorman's transhumanism. Transhumanism is a perfection of it all. Man can become whatever they want and there's no flaws to it. Our image is just that an image, is the body used for allure? pleasure? practicality? That's why they pushed back on transracialism because it's the SAME THING as transgenderism. You're basing things off how one feels as valid. Yet transgender wants to be the ONLY validity thus becoming a hypocrite because it doesn't want to share the space AND acknowledge its vanity. If you're gonna change your body down to the DNA why not go all out? Since gender really doesn't exist, it's simply social roles and personal interests which really aren't bound to how one is born. That's why transhumanism is what they should be striving for yet they can't be honest with themselves at the current moment. Looking back to my childhood the Splicers from Batman Beyond was a sneaky way of them being up this ideal. Since it was a trend for mainly rich kids that wanted to look and live differently. When we on THIS earth get that kinda mutagenic tech it's gonna turn the world on it's head. Since some people are gonna CLEARLY just make super soldiers and others are simply gonna make it so they can have the best of the worlds they want appear in.