On 1948 | Ilan Pappe | Part II | 2018

What happened to the Palestinians when Israel declared its independence in 1948?
Was it ethnic cleansing? Chaos? Legitimate Jewish self-defense?
Prof. Ilan Pappe is perhaps the most contentious Israeli historian of this question.
Decidedly left-wing in his outlook, Pappe is both an historian, and a social activist. He's perhaps most famous for his book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," in which he lays out a case that the war for the creation of Israel in 1948 is best understood as an ethnic cleansing of the native Palestinian population by primarily European Jews.
Unsurprisingly, Pappe's scholarship is widely derided in Israel. Yet his work is often celebrated by many pro-Palestinian activists in the Middle East and abroad.
Pappe currently teaches history at the University of Exeter, in the UK.
This is part two of my two part interview with Pappe last summer, in Haifa.
For the contrasting academic perspective, please see my interviews with Prof Benny Morris, of Ben-Gurion University, here: goo.gl/sC5BTe

[@danletras]

Thank god for Ilan Pappe. He demystifies the history of Israel.

[@djalead.7301]

😮😊 7:50

[@AdelHerik]

Ilan Pappe clearly dominates his subject. He is so accurate in all what he says; there is no room for approximation in his language.

[@abokareem7586]

Our parents told us what they had witnesed and faced during Nakba and this oral history is passing now through one generation to another. The Israli archive, after 40 years of Nakba, confirmed this oral history. Thanks for Pappe and others who are working to reveal the truth. Thanks also to channel

[@samuuluinavucu1246]

What caused the NAKBA ? Who refused the 700,000 Palestinian-Arab refugees ?

[@abokareem7586]

@@samuuluinavucu1246 Firstly Britain and secondly comes the zionist settler colonialism project which could not be succeed without the full support of the British. Both caused Nakba

[@samuuluinavucu1246]

@@abokareem7586 How did this happen ?

[@hkilgore9462]

@@samuuluinavucu1246 ethnic cleansing, orders given by zionist command carried out by the nascent israeli army (haganah, irgun, lehi, etc.) in 1948 until 1949 when the war ended in the north formally. 80% of the arab palestinian population was expulsed, around 800,000, especially from the south. Around 13,000 palestinians were killed.

[@af5000]

@@hkilgore9462 I don’t doubt that ethnic cleansing took place, but where are all these orders? Pappé talks about the existence of a “consultancy”. Where did he get that from?

[@bassamimam1019]

Thank GOD we have honest and knowledgeable historians like Ilan Pappe.

[@mohammadsalman57]

How about oral collaboration from the Zionists themselves you can find in this documentary titled “Route 181” available for free for a limited time at www.palestinefilminstitute.org/en/pfp?fbclid=IwAR3IlPgPgsnFrV_4pwHr08iOEpK_jk7RvbWLvKtCrwXiFHh2gZTtN_6znN4

[@irenezafar966]

d'accordo ... earlier i went off the deep end, not waiting for him to finish speaking ... unity! solidarity! these things are essential now (i keep reminding myself)

[@hkilgore9462]

@@mohammadsalman57 cannot see, it was taken down

[@subaidarehman1607]

Why don’t the people declare that Britain is being given to the Palestinians to compensate for the ethnic cleansing that happened elsewhere. Let’s see how the people of England would welcome that declaration. Then they should evaluate how that would compare with the Balfour declaration.Ilan Pappe is doing an important job educating people on challenging their views and stands.

[@alexandrasymeon5893]

The reason for the Balfour Declaration was because the British didn't want jews in Europe. Same with Americans.

[@satisfaktionsfahig7296]

And then all the british are expelled cornwall with a wall at the border. The funny thing is that they already have organisations comparable to hamas without ever experiencing something like this.

[@muskam8074]

there are some wonderful people like Dr Gatore Mate and Pappe. Bless them

[@josephtein3835]

GABOR Mate

[@thefishtruck]

Pappé is a brilliant, inspiring human being and a powerful voice for the oppressed. This was much needed. Thank you ❤️

[@thefishtruck]

I’m kind of surprised though to find the other videos on this channel are mostly Jordan Peterson lol

[@annakarenina3188]

Prof Ilan Pappe is definitely one of my new favourite scholars. Would love to study under him. His mind is amazing.

[@manjmacada4595]

Fantastic historian of truth. It takes tremendous courage to speak the truth as Ilan Pappe does.

[@williamc9578]

This is hands down the best narration of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its historical under-pinnings I've ever heard, and fairly open dialectically to how different sides (foreign & domestic), generations perceive things. Thank you.

[@Transliminal]

Truly my pleasure

[@Concerned63Citizen]

What a wonderful human being.....Everyone must listen to this.

[@SM-pp5zw]

He nails the behaviour and outcome and you can see what he is saying resonating in todays war on Gaza.

[@salimbaghli8040]

Excellent interview Very high level of analysis and thinking Such people should be helping leading the world to a better place As Mr. Pappe mentioned, Education will help solve many problems in the world. True Education. Thank you.

[@37Dionysos]

Thank you for both Parts I and II. Also recommend "The Land Speaks Arabic" here on YT, so many community elders telling their lives in multicultural and mostly-peaceful communities for generations before 1948. The more we know this, the more it can help us to imagine coexistence again---through justice.

[@greenmachine1372]

Great Man. Speaking the truth no lying or covering up. Straight as an aroow.

[@icarium6031]

Yup real history, did you watch part 1?

[@greenmachine1372]

​@@icarium6031I'm on it now Thank You

[@5Gazto]

It's amazing that he delivered a class on historiography and recent Israelo-Palestinian history in one stance.

[@kiranbarrow4648]

Wow what a man a human being an intellectual on the subject ...

[@bonhmabonzo555]

One of the most important historians on the planet.

[@inconvenient-truth99]

Thank you! I am learning a lot from Dr. Peppe

[@johngergen4871]

Great Interview: What makes Anthropology an important study is the use of "Oral History" in its field studies of different groups. The professor is correct in stressing the importance of this method in learning what happen to the Palestinian people.

[@msba7]

ما أعظم هذا الرجل

[@antsbruh]

This discussion is extremely needed in these hard times. Thank you so much for posting this!

[@user-wd5qh9mq9d]

What an absolutely refreshing transparent review of history

[@salvadordubon3549]

Thank you,prof. Llian Pappe great interview, you and so many others now have opened my eyes even more!! Great 👍

[@Julio-ek1lw]

Thanks for this great interview professor Ilan Pappe, your unpretentious, clear and honest assessment of the situation in Palestine is commendable.

[@jillfryer6699]

I would love to hear what Ilan Pappe says now, 5 years later. What he says makes so much sense. The Balfour Project apology from the British!!

[@eliasshalhoub582]

I just watched a new video of him a few days ago

[@johnthompson9513]

​@@eliasshalhoub582; Where can I find it please

[@ezzeldien5692]

Great and very useful as usual from professor ilan pappe

[@mitzijackson3598]

Awesome work!! Thank You for the truth!! I'll definitely learn more!

[@cdbox234]

I am from Ilabun and we remember !

[@gabe-po9yi]

Yes, talking about not trusting military accounts, there’s a YT video about female Israeli soldiers, where one relates an incident involving soldiers’ abuse of a Palestinian boy. It had been reported, so a commander had to do an investigation. She was like an assistant to the commander and was told to have the soldiers write their account, which they did and admitted the abuse. She took the report back and was told to go back and tell them to revise it - twice, until the commander was satisfied no blame would be placed on the soldiers/IDF.

[@aimsophie]

All his predictions just unfolded right in front of our eyes, except of course, about corbyn and sanders

[@tanitazaiez5309]

why not about corbyn?

[@xenonkii6739]

Such interesting knowledge I can just sit down and listen to Professors Ilan all day long.thank you so much for telling the truth

[@meganbaker9116]

Exactly what I was thinking! There’s so much here that I haven’t heard elsewhere, despite being obsessed with the whole thing lately, lol.

[@shivli6088]

Thank you for revealing the Truth. God bless you Ilan Pappe. YOU are blessed. My God Jesus spoke of righteous deeds for humanity as you are doing. Bless you.

[@LovethisLife785]

Thanks Ilan Pappe for standing with the truth and morals. More strength to you and others like you. I hope we learn from the mistakes and courage to accept them and work for humanity without any discrimination. I hope Israel accepts its agression towards Palestinians and realize that it is same to what Nazis did to Jews. It is abhorrant practice and we must not repeat the same crimes against others as a victim.

[@jamiemalokas3693]

Transliminal That's funny how you described Pappe's book. As if there is some question as to whether it was 'ethnic cleansing'. ha ha ha Thanks for the video. Always great to hear Pappe speaking the truth and giving us all a free history lesson.

[@sidrissmd]

Thank you for validating what our grandparents and parents told us about the Nakba.

[@annakarenina3188]

This is a brilliant point about abuse survivors and oral testimony (oral history/ethnography/qualitative research/witness statements in courts) ---- even as **therapists** people struggle to disclose traumatic events. Some clients take years to open up. They don't want to. They want therapy and support and human connection, but the last thing they want is to rip the scar tissue out the wound to look inside the wound. The example sounds like hyperbole, but psychologically, that is what we ask of people as therapists, sociologists, ethnographers, and historigraphers.

[@NuisanceMan]

And I think to myself, "What a wonderful man."

[@Skullman367]

Pappé is doing God’s work. With all the meaning that constitutes such an expression.

[@MisterTea123]

Brilliant interview - insightful, informative and articulate. Thank you for sharing

[@havetrustissue8975]

Holocaust ended but Nakba, Israeli apartheid oppression is continuing. You can just go there, watch and experiences how Palestinian treated in their everyday life and how Israeli kills, torture and settlers kicked Palestinian out of their houses and live their. Yet they raise question whether their oral story is true or not! It's unbelievable, how biased people could be!

[@kateraizenberg3077]

This will make a great piece of history.

[@Irshaad88]

Read his book, and please share it with others. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians.

[@user-ij4wr4jc8i]

There are also people who don't want to hear about people's abuse.

[@hitreset0291]

"What goes around ~ comes around". This is a very old very good saying that Israel should heed during their ongoing ethnic cleansing operations of the Palestinian people. The world is watching and its support of Israel can change ~ dramatically.

[@yarasophia902]

Thanks for this! Super interesting. Would also be interested in your personal take on Morris vs Pape view.

[@bigzee8907]

Very prophetic. A mirror of what's happening today.

[@AhJodie]

Thank you for your common sense, courage and truth! Any report can be written in a slanted view to have a situation to look like something completely different than another report about the same thing.

[@ivonemaciel-hj7mb]

Danke Herr Pappe für Ihre COURAGE !

[@user-sj4yd9uz8w]

I was homeless in the US for around 6mo. But i did not want to alk about the experience either, and still dont, to people in my life whose judgments do affect me. When horrible things happen people do not like to talk about them, because they are still trying to get distance from the events.

[@TheMadmacs]

the world is with you now. anybody can find out the injustice put upon the muslims and christians and jews of the old palestine, yes i include the jews who lived there before zionism. make the holy land, holy again.

[@gilrocha647]

Por favor, os brasileiros precisam muito que os vídeos de Ilan Papee seja legendados em português. A democracia agradece o esforço. Gilberto Rocha.

[@monarashed8181]

Thank you sir,one day we all be asked what did we do In front of God And God is waching

[@Light-Eater]

What a discussion, respect for bort of you.

[@eddiestepanian]

Very truthful and understandable

[@pietersmidt8593]

Part 1 of this interview added context to the history of this conflict that I was not aware of. Probably the best explanation of settler colonialism that I have heard. He lost me in his defence of the victim, as more believable because they have suffered. Also his point that oral memory should be believable. Oral memory typical recounts stories without proper context and omits the part that makes you part of the problem. Unfortunately now I am uncertain of the facts he presented in part 1, which gave me context to historical facts I was already aware of. I was starting to have some sympathy for the Palestinian cause.

[@carolliubicich3153]

Thank you My opinion the Palestine people need much healing and peace talks . To truly understand the conflicts . War is not the answer, peace ☮️ with much recovery ❤️‍🩹 of healing . Prayers 🙏🙏🙏

[@marrisa17]

What a great historian, Professor Pappé.

[@perdanielsorensen7775]

Regarding the time frame of Holocaust survivors testimonies: As recent as 2022 a concentration camp secretary was convicted, based in part on survivors testimonies and testimonies of relatives of survivors. That is 77 years after WWII ended.

[@melaniebaynes2730]

Also check out Profs Avi Shraim and Gabor Mate (accent on the e). Both speak very intelligently and very movingly on this subject.

[@philosophicaltrainer2610]

Pappe Vs. Morris. Lets make that happen!

[@Transliminal]

They hate each others' guts, so not sure i have the budget to bribe them into being in the same room room with each other. One can dream though : )

[@philosophicaltrainer2610]

@@Transliminal Maybe an MMA match 🤣 you could ppv it!

@@Transliminal lol

[@brethart522]

@@Transliminal Do they seriously hate each other, or is it more of a professional dispute?

[@lucassiegel3513]

@@brethart522 They despise one another

[@anne-mariepaul958]

It is so interesting to listen to and try to understand. The sound is rather bad, and could be much better.

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

As a goy who is very critical of Israel's apartheid government, I appreciate this man's willingness to tell the truth.

[@elizabethbeunaiche6470]

I pray that Israel and Palestinians will share their cultures and celebrate together. We need it too in America.

[@Truthseeker371]

Does one have to be an academic to view events logically? When I visit Israel and speak with the Jews, Arabs, Palestinians, and others, I can get either very emotional or very political/ideological opinions. I need to take all of them with a grain of salt. When I read and listen to the experts analysis and interpretation, my understanding gets deeper and insightful. Whatever happens in one's life has reasons and motives. Nothing is spontaneous. All I need is sound stable mind to research the truth. Inquisitive mind for truth seeking.

[@icarium6031]

Do you visit people in Gaza when you go to isreal?

[@organboi]

Israel is a very strange place. I went for the first time this past September. I wasn't aware of the Palestinian oppression then. Now I learned. I will NEVER go again.

[@itssanti]

Oral history is so powerful, more powerful than written history, and even more accurate in most cases. You can find today, people of Afghanistan recounting the massacres committed by Alexander The Great, almost a thousand years before the advent of Islam in the region, and more than two thousand years from now.

[@laeilou6366]

What a man 👏👏

[@Abdul247]

15:50 is unfortunately so eerily accurate, even 4 years later.

[@treesab]

I had listened to part 1 and began listening to part 2 without yet realizing this was recorded 5 yrs ago. When I heard him mention the reaction of Israelis if the govt expelled 1 million Palestinians from Gaza, I practically gasped!

[@RobinHerzig]

Love how proudly Ilan Pappé calls himself an activist ✊ that's how a true historian does it Pappé + Howard Zinn are 2 of the greats 👏 true understanding is built upon research from historians with an agenda of authenticity + unwinding myths + false narratives

[@user-rv2zj8zu5b]

Aren’t the Israeli settlements in the West Bank just a current iteration and extension of the Nakba? No oral history required there - it can be recorded and filmed in real time.

[@amania9254]

Ilan Pappe 👌 😢

[@bobtaleb9029]

Ilan peppè is more worthy of a nobel prize than Henry evil kissinger.

[@jeffpaige6149]

Within the first 2:00 minutes: (And I'm paraphrasing/distilling): "Victims can susceptible to jumbling up the factual minutiae..... but they don't get the crime wrong." [mind blown]

[@treesab]

You mean like the SA victim who recalls the rappist wearing black underwear when perhaps it might've been dark blue but is able to tell you what that rappist did to her/him? You find that concept mind blowing? Are you human?

[@Falstaff1972]

I read so many comments like: "what a wonderful human being!". Is this how you judge a historian?

[@Umuma871]

People have incentive to exaggerate play up some details and down play others to serve themselves….yuh duh? 🤷🏽‍♀️ That would be the same on both sides of the equation what a ridiculous question. The only difference is some wrote there’s on paper others couldn’t

[@prashantgoyal26]

Is there any transcript of these 2 part interviews?

[@antonguzman642]

There's the audio transcript from youtube you can copy to get something readable after some formating and cleaning. The option to display the transcript is the last one (below the vid).

[@herahera7340]

Who is the interviewer though? I'm very curious...Is he a journalist? Jewish himself, by any chance? Apart from his mention of being from Canada, there is nothing else I can find on the page...

[@Transliminal]

I'm a Canadian professional with a background in anthropology. My ethnic heritage is Ashkenazi Jewish, but it's not my primary chosen identity.

[@herahera7340]

@@Transliminal Thanks a mill for taking the time to respond. I do think it is important to know "who" the interviewer is; not necessarily, name and surname and their face, but some of their background, as it will play a part ( big or small depending on their character, professional integrity and self-awareness) on how they conduct the interview. Even more so when approching such a subject matter. My questions did not mean to be accusatory, though they may seem a tad blunt now that I go back to them. I guess following some of your questions to and your interactions/counter-arguments with Ilan Pappé, I sensed that you may indeed be Jewish yourself, as I could perceive a certain "defensiveness"? in them? And it did not feel like you were "playing devil's advocate" either. Thank you again for your response. Keep doing good work..

[@castelodeossos3947]

Only with the recent developments in Israel/Gaza have I realised how precious the Internet is. It is because of the Internet that I am able to learn about the appalling foundation of the state of Israel and the appalling crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people, and much else (incl. this interview), which I wouldn't otherwise have had access to. No doubt, the powers that be will do something to introduce some kind of underhand censorship.

[@dsrao7288]

If Israel agrees for a single state with human rights for all citizens (Jews/Zionists/Palestines/Arabs etc), can we have the support of the international community and then most importantly the extremists ? Where is the guarantee ?

[@donnalawson6236]

The call has not been for anything other than a 2 seperate state has been the only option on the table for years. I do not understand where you get this idea from. Links, quotes, please!!!

[@chucklinkt]

🇵🇸

[@webcodeuniversity]

That's interesting for llan Pappe to implicitly say that Islamic countries will come back to their glory, it shows that Jews really know the end incoming events

[@Mr13FNG]

The question at minute 6 is radicicolous, the many of Nakba survivors are still alive and have told their stories just like the Holocaust survivors, why are their statements not believed like the Holocaust survivors. Bennie Morris is terrible.

[@kstetner9]

Very scary watching this in 2024 😢

[@kellelane9307]

Practical use in Nov Dec 2023 He calls out the elephant in the room

[@Imraz__Khan]

🔥❤

[@TheAhmedmostafa]

It makes it impossible for an arab to be anti semitic after reading his book ethnic cleansing of Palestine,,, such courage to be totally honest,,,

[@zygmuntb]

Can you see the difference between nationalism of Jews and for example nationalism of Poles, Germans, Russians or for example French ?

[@deficrypto1234]

Yes. The latter didn't plan on expelling the indigenous population.

[@Windband1]

Yes, there is no Jewish nationalism. It is a religion, not an ethnicity.

[@deficrypto1234]

@@Windband1 The Zionist founders didn't define Jewishness based on religion. It was purely based on race. In fact, they used the same definition Hitler did.

[@kistabill5749]

@@Windband1 Wrong. David Ricardo, Karl Marx, Trotsky and Noam Chomsky are all Jews and athiests.

[@Windband1]

@@deficrypto1234 Then that makes Z-ism even more racist because they're all white people, which is one of the reasons they hate the Pals.

[@user-go7in7rw7r]

O repórter foi aprender árabe depois dessa entrevista kkkkk

[@Transliminal]

I actually do speak elementary Arabic (Shaami), for what it's worth, although by no means fluent, and i can read

[@FreeDomSy-nk9ue]

@@Transliminal Why are you not making content anymore?

[@Transliminal]

@@FreeDomSy-nk9ueIn short, more gainful employment, which cuts down on time and mobility … i still have a number of interviews in the Zion series sitting unedited on my hard drive … am thinking of restarting an interview/podcast series, but it’s hard to justify at the moment, time-wise

[@FreeDomSy-nk9ue]

@@Transliminal Glad you're doing fine though. Good look moving forward. People need more content of anti-war voices.

[@jackshultz2024]

Watching this 6 years later in 2024, and Jeremy Corbyn has been successfully hounded out of the Labour Party is an antisemite because of his criticism of zionism, and Labour's new leader can't speak out against an ongoing genocide in Gaza. Things have taken a sad turn in the Labour Party, as they have in the UK as a whole since Brexit. Its difficult to maintain optimism under these circumstances ,but ein breirah

[@shakirsohail1681]

Ya Allah bless and protect the ummat of prophet Muhammad rasullullah saw ❤.

[@jimmylemessurier332]

As a Brit I'm not sure if I agree that Jeremy Corbyn is likely to be the next Prime Minister of the UK, and thus to have even the merest chance of apologising for the Balfour Declaration (which he surely would like to do). As to the show of support he got from the kids at Glastonbury I would say that Corbyn will always be able to appeal to young student types who will be attracted to his socialist message, and he has a very strong support among his followers in the Momentum organisation. But - and it's a big 'but' - he is woefully unpopular among the electorate, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party. And the working class of Britain - not the same as Glasto-attendees by a long way - seem singularly unimpressed by Corbyn. But I might be wrong, of course, and he might be able to profit from the Brexit debacle sufficiently to squeeze his way in. Good interview, though, even if Mr Pappe's Marxist assumptions leave me a bit 'up in the air'. Thank you Transliminal!

[@Windband1]

Of course this is two years after your post, and we know Corbyn was assassinated by the Z-ists. But do you think he's not as popular with the electorate because they are much more brainwashed than the students? That would be the case here in the US. Middle aged and older here have been both deeply indoctrinated into the values of corporate capitalism and anti-socialism. thanks.

[@jimmylemessurier332]

@@Windband1 No, Corbyn - and his more centrist successor, Keir Starmer - were taken down by an electorate that has never and probably will never embrace socialism, and certainly not as promoted by a politician who has spent 40 years of political life positioning himself on the side of the UK's enemies at every opportunity. That electorate is made up largely of people who go out to work every day and keep the country running and I don't think a few middle-class students without much experience of the real world, and generally can't even be bothered to vote in great numbers, have anything to teach them. Unfortunately for Illan Pappe's little theory, the Labour Party has lost virtually all its traditional support in the last few elections. The Conservatives have actually appropriated some of the economically left-leaning policies but seem to be a lot more patriotic and not obsessed with identity politics as the Labour Party has become over the last 20 years. The left still controls most of the institutions in the UK but politically, it's toast. Cheers

[@Windband1]

@@jimmylemessurier332 Interesting. Thanks.

[@jimmylemessurier332]

@@Windband1 Thank you, you're welcome. Best Regards.

[@JohnDelVentomusic]

@@jimmylemessurier332 Yes, it is fascinating to see the left in Britain, compared to other parts of the world. Seems to be a very unique situation with their “working class “, if you can call it that. Lot going on there

[@whoeverthis.itaintme.9873]

Free free Palestine.

[@razann8875]

Palestinian people should all come together and file a lawsuit against Britain and get compensation for all the suffering and damages done by their stupid plan of giving someone's home to others! #letBritainpay

[@Windband1]

Great interview overall, but sort of unfortunate that you guys had to interrupt and talk over each so much. I'm not pointing fingers at any one person, just saying.

[@hkilgore9462]

interviewer should not overtalk

[@michellegilder1558]

Six years on…..😢

[@Truthseeker371]

The fact some Jews stayed in Germany or any countries after the WWII is not talked about. Many Jews decided to emigrate to the newly formed Jew State, Israel with the hope of finally having the own country. They didn't care the cost they had to repay for forcefully taking land from the former settlers/inhabitants there. They and the decendants have to pay the toll of criminal conducts. That's historical. The UK, for an example is the typical example. The siciety is innundated with the people from ex-British Empire. Every action begets consequence. That's the real meaning of karma.

[@icarium6031]

This is simple false. Dna has show the Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. Ashkenazi J3ws are European. Are you Israeli?

[@jtann1171]

Are current day Swiss, Germans, Italians, English etc. descendants of the aboriginal inhabitants of these same lands? No. The history of the world is that of conquest, murder and expulsion. How about all the Americans of Non Indian descent? Are they also bearers of a crime ?

[@joyabia682]

We have a saying in my culture.. That the person who shits in the bus doesn't remember where he did it. But the person who steps in it remembers exactly where he stepped in shit and everyti e he is close to the location eh is very wary!

[@jeanade9010]

Israel owes reparations to all Palestinians!

[@SM-pp5zw]

Only if those in Israel would listen to him and the history he explains rather than the history they are told from a very nationalistic lense- you could actually strive towards peace.

[@rosesprog1722]

Anyone who makes claims without providing evidence and hides the fact that they benefit financially from the perpetration of those claims is putting him/herself in a situation of conflict of interest and this is a criminal offense, it is a shame that some people get away with it and some don't.

[@organboi]

Oh please. Stop. This man backs everything. Have you read his books?

[@rosesprog1722]

@@organboi Oh, I was absolutely not talking about him, I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. I was talking about those who tell horrific stories about WW2 but have no hard evidence to back up their claims, the eternal victims.

[@donnalawson6236]

This is a poorly constructed comment. It is so vague that any point you are attempting to make is lost. It reads as words strung together with little meaning. So, please, state clearly what you mean! Who is benefiting financially do you mean Pappe? If not whom do you mean? What do you mean? Also where is your supporting links, etc!

[@rosesprog1722]

@@donnalawson6236 You are right, but I corrected it yesterday. I meant the holocaust survivors who make public statements, you can't promote something if you benefit secretly from it, that's why disclaimers were invented. It's a basic judicial principle but when it comes to the victims of the holocaust or Nazi crimes, evidence is not required and conflicts of interest are not illegal anymore. KZbin deletes comments with links, this will have to do. The Nuremberg Trials: -Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value. -Article 21. The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take "judicial notice" thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of "official governmental documents" and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.

[@rosesprog1722]

@@donnalawson6236 I admire Mr. Pappe very much and as far as I know, he is telling the truth.

[@gojiplusone]

Now I understand why some zionists love to say, "may their memories be erased," to their victims.