Ilan Pappe - how he became an Israeli dissident and on why Zionism will fail soon | UNAPOLOGETIC

[@TariqRahman-dt3hn]

Pappe is a brilliant historian, as well as a man with humanity and integrity.

[@adinahaun6001]

I totally agree! If only more people were like him, this would be a wonderful world.

[@elfmillo5458]

Ilan is FUCKING brilliant ... full stop

[@edelsmith1138]

He is like a turkey voting for Christmas. What a fool.

[@tonydalton459]

@@edelsmith1138That’s the Israeli State you’re thinking of there. Never seen such a bunch of liars.

[@newidealism3894]

Palestinian Jews and Arabs both were indigenous. But the Arabs were intolerant of Jews immigrating to the region. They attacked the Jews in 1936 and 1929 and on many other occasions. So, you do the math. Figure out how to contortl yourself into a position where you can believe this guy. The Arabs were the first "Jews will not replace us" crowd. The reason people like this guy talk the way he does is because people like you call him brilliant and a man of integrity and all that. People can get addicted to that sort of flattery. It's way more comfortable than being called evil Zionist p*g and whatever else smack talk you spew.

[@jillfryer6699]

I cannot even comprehend how hard, how painful it must be for Prof Pappe to have gone through confronting all this in all the fine grained ugly detail. A great historian and a moral thinker.

[@paulglobus9999]

A hero of our time. Mr. Pappe's various books on the subject of Israel / Palestine are must reading for all. Unfortunately, most people would rather rely on biased and ill-informed mainstream media sources rather than plumb the depths of scholarship uncovered by this great historian and others of his ilk. Thank you for giving Mr. Pappe a platform and for making this interview available on KZbin.

[@DearProfessorRF]

When you read his book on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine get ready to have your head spin and your heart crushed with horror.

[@Stop-and-listen]

I woke up to the evilness of Zionism in 1982 after the massacres of Sabra and Shatila. Then, I realized Zionism is an ideology of lies, deceit, theft, death, and destruction.

[@raymundovergararoman2473]

What just really horrorize me is when he talks here about the thermonuclear warheads that israel possesses, many doesn't understands it, but I say that because I watched the first strike documentary film and maybe the USA could not retaliate on case of a nuclear attack coming from Russia. But what the hell Russia has to do here? well for the me the war in Ukraine is the very probable prologue of the war in Europe and i invite you to watch this old documentary film, even Russia being not so powerful as the Soviet Union still could be able to knock out the USAF strategic command, and if NATO forces get isolated then Russian could be unstoppable in Europe and well the russians has not the power to counterweight effectively in middle east but, if Russia is really able to knock out the USAF strategic command then Israel must face by himself the Arabs, and Israel is unable to survive without the USA. So maybe the far right will want to look for his nuclear weapons without understanding that this radiation will affect israel very seriously too

[@Kalumbatsch]

@@raymundovergararoman2473"even Russia being not so powerful as the Soviet Union still could be able to knock out the USAF strategic command, and if NATO forces get isolated then Russian could be unstoppable in Europe" I don't know what kind of weird shit you've been smoking, but it's not good for you.

[@niabmocha]

I agree wholeheartedly. I am reading it now.

[@lulusp1023]

Omg...i just bought it. I will read it once I finish the 100 year war on Palestine book. But I need all history about Palestine and the abuse committed by the Zionist. Freedom for Palestine

[@l23918]

Wishing the professor good health and long life. History needs you❤

[@silva2it]

Long-live Ilan Pappe!!! History can be read and interpreted differently, and exploited for interest, but numbers and data don't lie! #ceasefireNOW #FREEpalestine

[@luiz.nazario]

He lies a lot.

[@abdoulsalammohamed6001]

@@luiz.nazario Can you please mention some of his lies? Evidence please?

[@luiz.nazario]

@@abdoulsalammohamed6001 4:24 From a post by Michael Davison: "The existence of these refugees is a direct result of the Arab States' opposition to the partition plan and the reconstitution of the State of Israel. The Arab states adopted this policy unanimously and the responsibility of its results, therefore is theirs; ...The flight of Arabs from the territory allotted by the UN for the Jewish state began immediately after the General Assembly decision at the end of November 1947. This wave of emigration, which lasted several weeks, comprised some thirty thousand people, chiefly well-to-do-families." - Emil Ghoury, secretary of the Arab High Council, Lebanese daily Al-Telegraph, 6 Sept 1948. "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce they rather preferred to abandon their homes, their belongings and everything they possessed in the world and leave the town. This is in fact what they did." - Jamal Husseini, Acting Chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee, told to the United Nations Security Council, quoted in the UNSC Official Records (N. 62), April 23, 1948, p. 14. The Arab exodus from the villages was not caused by the actual battle, but by the exaggerated description spread by Arab leaders to incite them to fight the Jews" - Yunes Ahmed Assad, refugee from the town of Deir Yassin, in Al Urdun, April 9, 1953. The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies. - Falastin (Jordanian newspaper), February 19, 1949. "It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem." - Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949. "Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of refugees... while it is we who made them to leave... We brought disaster upon... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave... We have rendered them dispossessed... We have accustomed them to begging... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon... men, women and children - all this in service of political purposes..." - Khaled al Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war. "The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile." - Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, in the Beirut newspaper Sada al Janub, August 16, 1948. "As early as the first months of 1948 the Arab League issued orders exhorting the [Arab Palestinian] people to seek a temporary refuge in neighboring countries, later to return to their abodes in the wake of the victorious Arab armies and obtain their share of abandoned Jewish property." - bulletin of The Research Group for European Migration Problems, 1957. "This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and retake possession of their country." - Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League Office in London) in “The Arabs” (London, 1955), p. 183. "The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city...By withdrawing Arab workers, their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa." - Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, p. 25. "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe. [However] ...A large road convoy, escorted by [British] military . . . left Haifa for Beirut yesterday. . . . Evacuation by sea goes on steadily. ...[Two days later, the Jews were] still making every effort to persuade the Arab populace to remain and to settle back into their normal lives in the towns... [as for the Arabs,] another convoy left Tireh for Transjordan, and the evacuation by sea continues. The quays and harbor are still crowded with refugees and their household effects, all omitting no opportunity to get a place an one of the boats leaving Haifa." - Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz. Even Mahmoud Abbas has published articles blaming the Arab League countries: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny, but instead they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe. The Arab states succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity. They did not recognize them as a unified people until the states of the world did so, and this is regrettable.” - The Current President of the Palestinian authority- Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas), from the official journal of the PLO, Falastin el-Thawra (“What We Have Learned and What We Should Do”), Beirut, March 1976, reprinted in the Wall Street Journal, June 5,2003. Were there expulsions by Israel? Yes, there were some, mostly as the result of tactical situations rather than any coherent policy of mass expulsion. One example would be the expulsion of the armed irregulars in Lydda, who surrendered once, then picked up their arms and returned to fighting afterthe Israeli force moved on the Ramla, a town just down the road. After fierce fighting, the Arab irregulars surrendered a second time and were escorted to Latrun, which was under Jordanian control, to save the manpower that would have been needed to guard them as prisoners. Deir Yassin has been found to be a pitched battle by none other than a group of researchers from Bir Zeit University in 1988, when they published a monograph showing that: - The number of casualties was far less than half those initially claims (112 as opposed to 255). - There were no “rapes and murders of pregnant women”. - That the atrocities were the brainchild of Hussein Khalidi. Deir Yassin Lies: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWOkpZRjnb5sjbM

[@OldTeaMate]

@luiz.nazario, just ask yourself *one question; why did they reclassify the 1948- documents?* -You needn't know anything else to realise it, that both Ilan's reaccountance and analysis are raw and unadulterated facts.

[@luiz.nazario]

@@OldTeaMate This is a lie, you have full access to any document you want in Israel. The Jew State is a democratic country, its not Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Egipt, Turkey, Syria, Libanon, etc. Before the war you could find even Palestians Professors inside the Hebrew University telling lies and making propaganda to their students, lecture them that Israel has no right to exist. Happily these Professors are now been fired of the University. You can not be paid by the state you want to destroy. This is the Karl Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance: a democracy have to tolerate their enemies, but just to a certain point.

[@mardeeyaheltouhkhy1440]

All respect to you Mr Pappe.I am sure there are many other Jews like you but are too terrified to speak out the TRUTH.May you be blessed.Free,free Palestine Justice NOW.🤲🤲🤲🧕

[@HALEY0861]

My respect as well.

[@skidelrymar]

Pappe doesn't speak the truth, for him fact are like plasteline: you can distort them and bend them as far as they serve to your agenda. he said so in his "books"

[@OldTeaMate]

@skidelrymar, just ask yourself *one question; why did they reclassify the 1948- documents?* -You needn't know anything else to realise it, that both Ilan's reaccountance and analysis are raw and unadulterated facts.

[@dLehman]

@@skidelrymar says the Zionist reading off his hasbara talking points.. your lies have been exposed..

[@pechoja]

​@@skidelrymar You are mixed up, it is Netanyahu who admitted when said, "Say it often enough and they will believe it.". That is the strategy Israel has used over the years. Never can trust a word he says, it is usually false.

[@Cui-bono987]

One thing that Pappe is essentially saying but was actually said by a Houthi spokesperson (ref Greyzone interview a couple of months back) is that this idea of Jewish superiority and entitlement is not just horrible for the Palestinians it also horrible for the Israelis and Zionist Jews worldwide. It is the same mentality that the average German of the late 30s and 40s had.

[@christian-ir3lr]

I hear that even amongst themselves, there is a sense of inequality! Sephardi Jews for example are seen as inferior to Ashkenazi, Jews whose mothers converted are also seen as not real Jews and let's not even talk about all those Yemeni and Ethiopian Jews who are also discriminated against. There was a scandal years ago about how Israel organized a secret campaign of sterilization on Ethiopian women without telling them.

[@debbiebeatty8449]

Exactly! I had come to this conclusion from what I learned about Israel before this current massacre. There is no doubt Zionism is morally equivalent to Nazism.

[@Cui-bono987]

@@debbiebeatty8449 yep. It was like it just changed names when WW2 ended.

[@den264]

"We are the super race" and " we are the chosen people " Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza strip. Former soldier, athiest and eventually leader of his nation, Hitler. Former soldier, atheist and eventual leader of his nation, Netanyahu.

[@Pomegranate_David]

Not least because these Zionist Jews are risking going to Hell for their actions in Gaza.

[@elfmillo5458]

.... Every time I listen to Ilan, he manages to make me feel better ... even during a genocide ... incredible

[@jeffreywilheim5970]

Yeah, what better way to relax after a long day of making up lies about "genocide" to try to gain sympathy in a war of aggression you started than to read other people's lies about genocide.

[@faith5231]

Pappe has a beautiful soul. May Allah reward him for standing up for justice. You will always remain in my prayers

[@WilliamFMiloglav]

Ilan Pappe is surely one of the giants of our time. If there really is such a thing as a "chosen people" it cannot be certain nations or ethnic groups, but individuals like Pappe, chosen to tell great truths eloquently, fearlessly, continuously for decades, a shining light for all to see by.

[@mothompson3437]

I am a christian..for me the most important being of all time was a Palestinian Jew..philosophically i suffer that his Land has come to this

[@t.dmytryshyn2615]

My brother visited Israel and Gaza in 1977 and he came home with horror stories about how the Palestinian people were being treated by Israel. I didn't believe him because I had read so much about the persecution of Jews by Germany in WWII and I couldn't even consider that a people who had so much evil committed against them could turn around and do the same to others. But as I would find out over years of research, my brother was right and I was wrong.

[@tedmusson5179]

To my eternal shame I had more than one incident that I should have learned from but was too effected by WWII to absorb the ugly truth about zionazi reality.

[@afrobian1]

I met two ladies who were married to Palestinians. And became extremely active for Palestinian cause after they visited the West Bank and saw the apartheid first hand. They were also subjugated to the treatment. It’s a sick society

[@kayqueue1]

I am beginning to think it is a matter of practicing what you know--that whatever you have experienced creates your world view. Abused children often grow up to be abusers; it's all they learned.

[@christianboston7259]

​@@afrobian1I spent two weeks in Gaza a couple years ago. I witnessed the march of return and saw unarmed people getting shot. The red crescent really went out of their way to make sure I was protected after I witnessed this massacre I haven't been able to stop crying I've had to go to therapy for PTSD unfortunately the people of Gaza never get Post their trauma is constant.

[@sofiajohansson8537]

Yeah, that was EXACTLY my reaction in 2009 when I discovered the Palestinian struggle after the Gaza war that year. I was 20 year old, nobody have told me about Palestine and Palestinians, not in school, not in my family. During the 3 week war still nobody was advocating for Palestine or Palestinians and I was perplexed. How could this be? After that I started my own investigations and still cannot understand zionist thinking or the world silence. Heartbreaking.

[@DearProfessorRF]

Thank goodness for KZbin that I can listen to Ilan Pappe since I never had the fortune to attend his classes or lectures. in fact, who knows if I would’ve never learned about him without this wonder of technology.

[@den264]

Say what you wish about KZbin, may it be positive or negative, but if not for this mind expanding platform, my knowledge of the geopolitical aspects in the world would be so much poorer if not for KZbin. And most of the praise must go to the wonderful people who make and share their content with the rest of us.

[@halifaxeh]

Yes it’s wonderful and I’m glad they aren’t preventing this content. But Google does support Zionism and many comments are censored when supporting Palestinians.

[@OldTeaMate]

@user-zq7zb6ew8p, yes, it is *off the hooks!*

[@craftspaces4475]

Me neither have had the chance to atend his classes or lectures. I still have hope that I will meet him one day and give him a strong hug

[@mothompson3437]

I am shocked at how ignorant i have been

[@rosestewart1606]

The only thing I could compare the Nakba to is the Trail of Tears. I can't think of any other instance where the indigenous people have been intentionally erased. Many people died on the Trail of Tears too but I don't think even the US soldiers were as cruel and dehumanizing as the Zionist gangs. The things that they did were just inexcusable and so violent as to be almost unbelievable.

[@Pomeray8]

It is. Gaza also resembles Abu Graib with similar levels of torture.

[@debbiebeatty8449]

That happened over a century ago and its being used to justify the barbarism Israel is visiting on Palestinians today is absurd. As bad as US government treatment of the native Americans was, they were never and certainly aren’t currently forced to live in open air prisons with access to food and water denied them while systematically slaughtering them. There is no comparison. Also, most Americans consider what was done to our native population as horrific, and none deny the existence of the various nations that were here when Europeans arrived.

[@bsahmed1]

‘’Colonialism is not a machine capable of thinking or a body endowed with reason. It is naked violence, and only gives in when confronted with greater violence’’. Frantz Fanon- The Wretched Of Earth. So many colonial, imperial and apartheid political entities have established themselves in foreign lands throughout history only to witness different outcomes. The vast majority of them ultimately failed because they couldn’t establish roots necessary for their sustenance. Roman provinces in the Levant, the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem during the crusades, the many European posts in Africa, the European outposts in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Macao and the Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the new world are few just examples. The latest example is apartheid South Africa. The American example had a different outcome because of the overwhelming superiority of the occupier compared to the occupied. It is time for the occupiers of Palestine to realize this fact and spare us the anguish of this perpetual war what has been going on for a full century and acknowledge that God is not a real-estate agent. Delivering them from bondage of ancient Egypt to the Promised Land doesn’t mean taking land that belong to others. It is not what you know, it is what you could have known if you wanted to find out. Please search for the truth. It is very easy to find it and once you do, you will be liberated from all biases and prejudice. There was peace and security in Palestine until the Zionist European invaders stole the land from the natives. Advice them to go back to their countries and leave the poor people alone.

[@den264]

The Belgium's have a horrible track record for inhumanity during the height of its colonizing days in Africa.

[@den264]

​@@bsahmed1excellent post ! Yes the Zionists are devout followers of God when it suits their agenda of taking lands belonging to another group, but apparently not so Pius when it comes to adhering to that same Gods commandments. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods, property and wife, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not take false Gods. To list just a few.

[@ananassaf6025]

All respect for Ilan Pappe.

[@jcpt8365]

Thank you for telling the truth Professor Pappe. Free Palestine ☮️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇹

[@ahimsainthekitchen]

The TRUTH lives a wretched life, but always survives a LIE! #freepalestine

[@Cécile-v3m]

It is very frightening to watch the media discourse in Israel or at least what we get from video bits. There is no inhibition whatsoever, when it comes to expressing racist attitudes and genocidal intents towards the Palestinians.

[@den264]

Hitler only had twelve years to instill hatred towards the Jews in Germany. The Zionists have had seventy six years to indoctrinate hatred towards muslims and Palestinians in particular in to the collective consciousness of Israelis.

[@descartesdonkey4291]

such a naked and bare animalism - the original God of the bible leaves us dressed in wolf skins and dangling canines

[@andrewreynolds912]

It's horri'fying as a Gen z American socialist I can't tell you how horr'ified I am. I remember a com'ment on YT from 5 or so months ago saying about 90% are fools and are stu'pid... look, who's st'upid now idi'ot! turns out the youth are actually much smarter than you think!!

[@andrewreynolds912]

It's horri'fying as a Gen z American socialist I can't tell you how horr'ified I am. I remember a com'ment on YT from 5 or so months ago saying about 90% of the youth are fo'ols and are stu'pid... look, who's st'upid now idi'ot! turns out the youth are actually much smarter than you think!! Turns out their was a geno'cide actually happening!!!! Goes to show how brain'washed my country is.

[@jeanade9010]

I’ve watched some of it.. it’s shocking.

[@calmingcrist4515]

1. Haifa Massacre 1937 2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937 3. Haifa Massacre 1938 4. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 5. Haifa Massacre 1939 6. Haifa Massacre 1947 7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947 8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947 11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 12. Jaffa Massacre 1948 13. Deir Yassin Massacre - 1948 14. Qibya massacre -1953 15.Tantura Massacre - 1948 16. qibya massacre -1953 17. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 18. Jerusalem Massacre 1967 19. Bahro Al Baquar in 1972 20. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 21. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990 22. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 23. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 24. Gaza Massacre 2008-09 25. Gaza Massacre 2012 26. Gaza Massacre 2014 27. Gaza Massacre 2018-19 28. Gaza Massacre 2021 29. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing. SO DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th OVER 75 YEARS OF PALESTINIAN OPPRESSION

[@ClassicJasmineRice]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Grandhotel256]

Excellent Ty I too have been copy pasting that

[@notanemoprog]

"75 YEARS " Why do Arabs and their allies always count the 2 decades (1948-1967) that the Arabs of Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and Judea/Samaria among the "years of Palestinian oppression"? Either use the round "100 years" to make it sound even better for your cause - not that it will help it, but anyway - or remove this laughable fault of logic

[@calmingcrist4515]

@@notanemoprog One can only assume your intention is sarcasm , maybe you children should write in crayons ....

[@notanemoprog]

I rest my case@@calmingcrist4515

[@johningram1920]

Thank God to the Jewish people who respect and fight for human rights.

[@northpole6060]

A Palestinian here “Amen “ .

[@alexbalayants8490]

There are millions of us. Unfortunately we are silenced by social media, news, and our own people. Liberation to Palestine and all oppressed people. Be strong my friends, it will come.

[@northpole6060]

@@alexbalayants8490 your voice is valuable , let be heard ! Now is the time to speak up . I am astonished by the way Zionist insist to conflate between Zionism and Judaism . Zionism is a political ideology Judaism is a godly religion , you don’t have to believe in it , just respect those who do . Now we face a greater threat , religious Zionism like Etmar Ben Gvir , and that shmuck of a person minister of finance smutrec he’s name . They openly claim there’s a 0% right for Palestinians in Palestine . They seek to wipeout Gaza , nuclear as they said . They openly aim to demolish ALAQSA mosque which if happened will break all hell lose . ALAQSA mosque was the first direction of prayer for Muslims before Mecca 🕋 . They’ve armed il legal settlers in West Bank more than 200 k of them with M16 and what have you . Again openly . These people like Christian Zionists in USA believe by this they’ll hurry up god in a way to bring JESUS second coming !!!

[@jn5501]

Amos 9:15 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.

[@northpole6060]

first do you know objectivley the authenticity of the bible we have in our hand today ? I mean if it were truly & Wholly the word of the all mightey , it must NOT contain even ONE mistake , right ? refer to what bible scholars say about that so we shall continue ... @@jn5501

[@selibekian9131]

All respect to Ilan Pappe.

[@AngelicaOmar-s2m]

Thank you Professor Pappe. You are truth teller. We all appreciate your honesty, morality and goodness.. Your knowledge of the history of this conflict is unprecedent. We all love very much. I learned a lot from you and your books. Thank you.

[@mansooraqureshi2696]

People like Mr Pappe are born once in lifetime. Standing up for Justice n Truth is not easy against all odds.....So Saluates..❤

[@deansawich6250]

Thanks to you both for a very informative discussion. Free Palestine and freedom for the Palestinians. ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@ilanshriki]

Thanks for sharing this. I watched everything.I think this one is one of the best interviews I have seen so far. As one who born in Israel (and have his same name😂) i can totally relate to many aspects of the interview (such as early age education and zionism doctrine) I really recommend to watch this.

[@newsfromnowhere5343]

Brilliant interview, thank you. So comprehensive, great insights by Pappe, but also so well guided by interviewer to give structural sense to the epic content!

[@Tajota512]

All my respect to Ilan Pappe 🙏🏻

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

Ben Gurion was wrong, people didn't forget and move on. In fact the memories are stronger then ever.

[@northpole6060]

This holy land absorbed nations and nations , Jews could’ve been one of many in the fabric of Palestinians . The knot is Zionism asked a right above all other exclusive for diaspora Jews … Supremacist apartheid genocidal maniacs . BUT Zionists came late 19 th century, and they fucked with the wrong “ marines “ We Palestinians ENJOY LIFE AT THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES BUT WE LIKEWISE celebrate martyrs … pave the way to FREEDOM . Palestine❤ was Palestine ❤ is Palestine forever will be .

[@halifaxeh]

How could they forget and move on when it keeps happening?

[@OldTeaMate]

aka david gruen. mileikovski -> netenyahoo mabovitz -> (golda) maïr etc.

[@בןמאיר-ג1ד]

Neither have jews over thousands of years.

[@בןמאיר-ג1ד]

@@OldTeaMateyour point???

[@victorias6286]

Ilan is.pure selfeless and honest humanitarian

[@paulheydarian1281]

I wish people would stop abusing the word *pure.* Try re-writing your statement without using pure.

[@eternalfearless4532]

How about you don't tell people how to think and/or suggest or tell them how to express themselves. I see no "abuse", as you put it, in this context, in using the word pure. @@paulheydarian1281

[@siddique611]

My respect and admiration for the multiple conscientious Jewish intellectuals and the Orthodox Jewish groups who expose the horrendous injustices Zionism has brought on the hapless Palestinian people.

[@donnavorce8856]

EXACTLY

[@EliDahi]

Thank you Prof Ilan Pappe for being fair, honest and courageous to speak. What you say counts for history and for me.

[@bridgetbold6867]

Wow that was the best analysis of the situation ive heard so far!!! Bless that gentleman ❤ Thanks for the interview!

[@rebeccawoolfolk5377]

Thank you for this. I've wanted to hear Prof. Pappe for a long time, but my hearing isn't what it used to be. The combination of the poor audio on so many KZbin channels and his accent has caused me to give up in frustration. This was so clear. I'm really glad I got a chance to hear him.

[@halifaxeh]

Do you know how to turn on closed captioning? It’s under the settings wheel in the top right corner of the screen.

[@dobbersanchez1185]

Closed captioning x non-anglo accent = ChatABI ​@@halifaxeh

[@jn5501]

Amos 9:15 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the LORD your God.

[@dLehman]

@@jn5501 plz stop dropping acid already.. not funny any more when you get the god bug 🐛

[@bunyip5841]

Ilan Pappe is proof there is no substitute for scholarship and learning.

[@notanemoprog]

True, but not in the sense that I suspect you meant it

[@enriqueprieto4189]

All respect for professor Pappe. A truly friend not only of the Palestinian people, I mean of the all worldwide anti imperialists movement

[@olenayangazova1535]

Professor Pappe respects

[@PalestinianBitcoiner]

What a hero

[@naziirani2773]

I am so grateful to know Ilan Pappéthe, the great scholar. In my opinion, his views of one equal secular state is the only solution for this mess that was brought to Palestine by Europeans.

[@purgeouterim]

Thank you for taking a stand ! You have all my respect. I own few books that you made and helped me so much to combat the Hasbara !

[@margaretwenham9915]

Ilan Pappe is a world treasure.

[@tinkbig4994]

Tanks God we got people who can tell it clear❤

[@miskakerdez3750]

Thank you for your important conversation with Ilan Pappe. Love the way he dismantles common Hasbara talking points right off the bat. Example: “Israel won the war in 48 and so the Palestinians left.” I’ve heard this so many times…He points out that the ethnic cleansing started months before the war. Makes me want to pick up his book 10 Myths about Israel. Thanks again for your valuable guest and excellent questioning.

[@halifaxeh]

Great interview with Prof Pappe, as always! I very much appreciate the list of false assumptions!! When people act like it’s rational to say that Jewish people should be allowed to kick people off their land because their distant ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, I ask them for their detailed plans of how they are giving their property back to people whose ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, or even 200 years ago. It’s such an absurd argument!

[@fohelmli]

Thank you professor Ilan Pappe for educating us.

[@busyb8676]

It sounds like he is describing a Hitler like process. It is so difficult to understand why a group so badly persecuted can turn around and do the same thing to another out of pure selfishness and greed. Humankind is very flawed!

[@debbiebeatty8449]

I was married to a Zionist, and I noticed that the one constant theme in all of their religious observances was the perpetual victimhood of the Jew, and in their families the idea that they were superior to non Jews. I believe this combination of victimhood plus racial superiority creates the psycopathy that enables them to feel justified in treating non-Jews in the most horrific and barbaric ways, that are unimaginable to decent humans.

[@jillfryer6699]

Could it be a variation of Stockholm Syndrome? Or the infection with the disease of National Psychosis? Whatever it is it feels like mental illness, a psychotic breakdown saying if I cant have what I want no one will have a thing. The illness doesn't excuse anything but cries out for treatment and control. So there.

[@corvacopia]

A thing to remember is that the founders of Israel weren’t the victims of the Holocaust, those people would come as refugees later, they were participants in an ethnonationalist political project which-while it did arise in response to persecution, particularly in the Russian Empire-arose out of the very same European intellectual and political climate that other European ethnonationalist movements did, including the one from which the Nazis eventually would rise out of. The antisemitism in the Russian empire at the end of the 19th Century that Zionism arose in response to was of a very different political formation than the ethnonationalist one perpetrated by the Nazis, so at that time there was less of an association between that kind of nationalism and Jewish persecution than there is today.

[@Theeinners]

Mr Pappe true legend ✌️🇵🇸

[@fgv1001]

If you really want to understand just how brutal the Nakba was, watch the "Tantura" documentary in it's entirety. Highly educational.

[@dabay200]

Prof. Pappe is a very good person and historian

[@zeinabalmqayyad8082]

Nakba is a horrible injustice...I hope one day this failure will be corrected and the Palestinians will have the right to return, free Palestine 🇵🇸🍉

[@duncanmacpherson2013]

Everybody should read his book 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine' I admire this writer because he is true to his profession of historian and his first, second and last loyalty is to the facts and the truth

[@Be1More]

Thank you. I pray mainstream news gets more honest. Democracy now seems to be the only tv news of depth of honesty. Poor people. Pray for their relief and help from God for some personal care of feeling.

[@teardrop720]

To the host of this discussion ... you should minimize interruption, and one way to do that is to give questions beforehand to your interviewer. Sorry to say this, but this is a very important topic and there are few people like Ilan Pappè. I have noticed that you interrupt a lot also on other interviews.

[@christhomas-asevado5212]

With respect to the host, he really should allow Prof Pappé to finish his thoughts. Too many interruptions are unnecessary. He did not add value with his interruptions. He could have waited. He has done the same in interviews with other guests. I simply stopped watching those broadcasts.

[@Rainbows783]

Free Palestine 🇯🇴🇾🇪🇱🇧

[@mehruneusufzai2341]

Thank you so much Professor IIan Pappe for standing with Palestinians. You are a hero. My honours and respect to you. Free free Palestine ❤🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🙏

[@dLehman]

Excellent talk, Prof Pappe. You never disappoint.

[@Walter-x1j]

Yes, he is… He never disappoint Jew-haters who are ready believe his half- truths, distortions, outright lies.

[@OldTeaMate]

@uset-zq7zb6ew8p, just ask yourself *one question; why did they reclassify the 1948- documents?* -You needn't know anything else to realise it, that both Ilan's reaccountance and analysis are raw and unadulterated facts.

[@dLehman]

@@Walter-x1j you realise that hasbara talking points no longer hold.. it’s over. No one believes the BS anymore. No matter how many millions/billions you pour into your propaganda machine. Go back to your cult..

[@Walter-x1j]

Israel declassified documents after 30 years, like many democratic countries do. That’ why do-called “new historians, including Pappe and Shlaim basked on it making BIG names for themselves. I”ve not heard of any”declassification” . And you, just ask yourself why Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon have never declassified any historical documents… Maybe because they are hiding damning evidence of their genocidal intensions towards Jews in Israel? Before making any accusations against the Jewish state of Israel, look in mirror and check : maybe you see there a bigot?

[@Walter-x1j]

@@OldTeaMate Israel declassified historical documents after 30 years, like many democratic countries do. That’s why the so-called “new historians” like Pappe and Shlaim basked on it making themselves BIG names. I don’t know any “reclassification” that you are talking- probably again pro-Arab, antisemitic propaganda. But you just ask yourself, why Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon never declassified any historical documents at all? Maybe because their genocidal war against the Jewish state of Israel will be obvious to the world? It is you who “needn’t know anything else”, using your own parlance. I need to know, and I know many things. Maybe you should look in mirror and, as you say, “ask yourself one question”: “Do I see a bigot there?”

[@sevam8244]

Respect and love for Ilan Pappe.God bless him.❤❤

[@squirrelandchick9484]

Thank you to the courageous and convicted Israelis who care for truth and history and who, by speaking out, help to keep free speech meaningful.

[@reema811]

This man is a pinnacle of hope. That a person with the typical Israeli upbringing, fighting in the army, being brainwashed about the "evil arabs" and him being of the "chosen people", that he would surpass all that and listen to his heart, that he would risk his life, job, family and friends to tell the truth ❤ Much love and respect, Sir. May God protect you and your loved ones. Though I do feel sad to see him so aged, but it helps to know that he has through his books, lectures and intreviews raised entire generations of truth seekers

[@fabiengerard8142]

🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏 RESPECT, Professor.

[@solangeamstutz8855]

❤🇵🇸❤️🇿🇦❤️

[@truebeliever786]

Love it. Ilan Pappe's truly incredible and a gem in this world!!

[@z23729]

Ilan Pappe is a man with integrity and he's not afraid to speak the truth, I'm so glad people like him exist! Judging from how easy it is to listen to him and how well articulated he is I'm guessing his book will be brilliant as well. I'm going to be reading it InshaAllah. Thank you so much for everything you have done for Palestine. Israel's crimes must be exposed on a global basis.

[@OscarBernhardt]

Fantastic guest and interview. Thank you .

[@compassion-t9y]

Excellent interview 👍✨

[@nevertoolate6653]

Humanity & Compassion…. World appreciate your great contribution for man kind !

[@JoP444]

Ilan Pappe is not only a fantastic historian but an outstanding human being too. I love his work. He is greatly appreciated 🙏 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@gillps5130]

Cannot recommend 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine' enough and learned more from this interview. Bravery comes in different forms and wonderful people like Ilan Pappe, I have heard them say that it is the least they can do.

[@ferozerahim146]

Great personality and good human speaks the truth

[@seeit0]

it's interesting how a lot of Israelis can talk for a long time without breaks ,he is a good and brave man

[@miswaty6550]

Thank you Prof. Illan Pappe , You are a good historian. free free Palestine,

[@padmalaycock1612]

Thank you for this.....I love learning from this man.

[@Be1More]

Wow, he was expelled from university. They tried to shut him down, not surprisingly.

[@Stop-and-listen]

Same here in the USA. Many professors are fired for being pro-Palestinian.

[@OldTeaMate]

@stop-and-listen, it was alan durshowitz, that got Norman Finkelstein fired. Now, Norm has regained tenure, and epstein-investigations point at alan's improprieties with teenage girls.

[@bensweiss]

I would have appreciated hearing Dr. Pape speak without interruption.

[@yasmeen66]

Thank you Mr. Pappe for your courage standing up for what is right 🌻

[@svenhanson398]

Thank you Mr Pappe for standing up for your belief in a society of Israel's type.

[@paulheydarian1281]

Say whatever you want about Professor Ilan Pappe, but he's no coward. That fact alone places him above 99% of the rest of us. 🤨 It's so important to have moral courage in life, it makes other virtues possible.

[@hansmeier5604]

You restore my hope in mankind.

[@zharkoo]

Pappe is a brilliant person and historian, just man PLEASE don't interrupt him next time he comes on your show, just let him speak

[@yasserel-harmil535]

Huge respect to this man! Thanks for this honesty.

[@elainemander9570]

Ilan Pappe is a brave and courageous man.

[@gunner5173]

Illuminating Interview Pappe is prompted to talk about his life connecting how this changed view of Israel 🙏🏽thank you

[@gloriakelly707]

You are a beautiful human being Ian pappe

[@syedhuda9957]

Along with Prof. Pappe, Dr Israel Shahak, Dr Solomo Sand & Prof. Norman Flinkestiene, Prof. Noam Chomsky's name shine like brilliant / bright stars

[@victoriadizon9979]

Definitely, thinking beyond is something the Palestinians from a broad spectrum are surely talking about already, from Palestinian personalities, to academics, political analysts, and more. Former PLO officials, diplomats.

[@khaledabunahel3368]

Professor Ilan Pappe wide and thorough knowledge about the subject. I appreciate his struggle and courage to face the challenges to have his morality and conscience kept with him.

[@nodrogwarob]

'It's like giving a teenager a fast car'. Yes, in a world where the metaphorical traffic police tell them they can drive however they want to and not have to worry about any consequences. Having recently read some work of Prof Pappe, my eyes have been well and truly opened to what is going on there.

[@donnavorce8856]

THANK YOU for posting this important interview. The world needs as much education in this matter as it can get.

[@maherhamdan2649]

As a Palestinian, I would like the presentator to have received and questioned an academic personnality like Ilan Pappe whom I know for his just opinion about Palestine . I would also ask Mr Pappe if he agrees with the zionist propaganda thar nazis killed six millions news, knowing that in 1906 the belgians under king Leopold II killed between five ans ten africans in Congo rich of strategic rubber. And finally, I would say that Israël would have not existed in Palestine without the help of Great-Britain and the Sykes-Picot treaty with France in 1916 ans the Balfour declaration to establish a jewish entity in Palestine in 1917 !!!

[@jillfryer6699]

You are right the history of this situation goes back far beyond 1948 when the name of the State of Israel went on the map. Long range planning. Its a bit terrifying when you look at it and once you bring the subject up it is hard to move on to the next question. It would be good to have complete program with someone with the knowledge, integrity like Prof Pappe answering your questions. Many people ask those questions and there are less reputable teachers about who will exploit those questions to beat a drum for their racist or nazi or anti Semite ideologies.

[@maherhamdan2649]

Unfortunately it's impossible to stop these savage hords who did the same for native americana 500 years ago always in the name of God@@jillfryer6699

[@ahimsainthekitchen]

@@jillfryer6699 Question for you: Why innocents Palestinian people paying the price for the horrors inflicted on Jews by WHITE EUROPEANS??? Reply

[@eamar0509]

Thank you very much @MEE كل الاحترام والتقدير والحب يا ايلان יישר כח! لعنة الله على اعداء البشرية ☝️☝🏽☝🏿📗💚🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🔻 from Jerusalem AlQuds

[@Jack-es9xq]

To my eye you are GOOD men. And this kind of conversation outweighs all the other noise on the internet.

[@sakinagunja4223]

I learn so much from Ilan Pappe, Miko Peled, and other Israelis on the side of truth and justice. Thank you

[@JohnGeary-e9e]

I decided to watch the whole podcast rather than surfing through MiddleEast Eye when I saw who your guest was excellent video thanks

[@refoliation]

Great interview/discussion. Thanks for posting.

[@harryd5893]

Superb episode, best questions I have heard anywhere so far, it showed the interviewer is very well versed with the subject. Thanks for conducting such a great class of a podcast in history!

[@HMNOURA]

❤️🙏❤️ Vive le peuple humain 🙏❤️🙏 Merci infiniment Ilan Pappe pour votre humanité ! Merci d'exister ! ❤❤❤

[@mdrahman-ju9qv]

How can any human do this to any group of people.

[@okaytoletgo]

Thank you Ashfaaq Karim for the way your questions allowed Professor Pappé to bring his view to us. Please have him on again.

[@marlak4253]

Excellent program. So very informative and providing hope for a brighter future for both the Palestinian people as they receive their statehood and independence and the zionist Jewish people as they grow more enlightened.

[@xabyn]

Great interview!

[@ehsanehkenarangi2540]

Great interview with great historian brave jew❤❤❤

[@harryd5893]

It has been so great listening to this episode that I ended up subscribing your channel. Illan Pappe is a treasure!