Treating Enclosure Resonances

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HexiBase

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@supersteveenglish7340
@supersteveenglish7340 4 жыл бұрын
The 360 slideshot was fantastic. I sure hope they appreciated the visual interpretation of pressure waves interacting with each other over time.
@LitoGeorge
@LitoGeorge 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. @Hexibase this was terrifically shot and edited. Pro stuff.
@victortitov1740
@victortitov1740 4 жыл бұрын
Yess!! that was a nice touch, I am still wondering, how did you manage to pull it off!
@Finite-Tuning
@Finite-Tuning 3 жыл бұрын
Sure was, in fact, I have to wonder exactly how he did that.
@TheMushmul
@TheMushmul 4 жыл бұрын
Always delivering nothing less than quality videos and information! Keep it up, HexiBase! Can't wait for the DSP video :)
@Wayne_Robinson
@Wayne_Robinson 4 жыл бұрын
Safety note: protective measures should be taken when working with mineral fibers like rockwool or fiberglass. They're extremely harmful to the respiratory system and more than annoying to get embedded in your skin.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
Rockwool rash... bad on finger... worse on a lung.
@musicstevecom
@musicstevecom 4 жыл бұрын
That's why I use Open Foam and Polyester Batting. Also the other stuff can cause Small loose fibers to get into your Speaker drivers and damage them.
@speakerscott
@speakerscott 4 жыл бұрын
Quite a few errors in this one: 1. In room measurements are a very poor way to look at enclosure related issues. 2. Enclosure issues need to be separated into two categories....panel resonance, and internal standing waves. 3. The wavelength of 51Hz is 22 feet..your box is roughly 2.5 to 3 feet in it's longest dimension (judging by the table it's sitting beside) There is NO WAY for a standing wave to develop when the the internal size is only 1/10th or so of the supposed frequency. It is *theoretically* possible for the panel to develop a resonance, but that would have to be a very very poorly braced box. And while that box had no sides braced against the opposite sides, the ribbing should provide pretty substantial strength. 4. Two inch rock wool will not provide any significant absorption down that low. Anechoic chambers are build with very large wedges to provide enough wall absorption to minimize any room boundary caused errors....those wedges would have to be 1/4 wavelength thick or more...so roughly 5.5 feet. Enclosure issues are much easier to diagnose through impedance measurements. Either type would show up as a bump in the impedance or a wobble in the phase of the impedance. If you're going to try to diagnose these sorts of issues with response measurements use the ground plane technique.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
+1 However, it is also important to note that wave propagation within a box a low frequencies is fairly chaotic, and significantly reducing the reflectivity of the surfaces will produce a complex set of changes to the acoustic response. Also many studies of rockwool panels have shown that under some circumstances due they can reach lower than expected from gas-flow impedance models, possibly due to pressures at the boundary causing the fibers to flex. It's something that has been puzzling acousticians for a while, and it's hard to precisely predict what the installation of rockwool panels will do without measuring in real world experiments.
@scotthinson8185
@scotthinson8185 4 жыл бұрын
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 At higher frequencies the impacts can be strong sure...but that's a 30" tall box. The biggest difference in the measurements was at ~50Hz. We're talking 1/10'th of a wavelength, so there's no real wave propagation at that point, but pressurization. I'm well aware of the modeling MJK, Backman and others have done on the impact of stuffing, these results fly right in the face of Backman's most recent stuffing/FEM modeling paper he did while still at Genelec. Basically it's a false premise that that issue can be measured in room, it's a false premise that the fix did anything substantial at those frequencies unless that box is literally a floppy mess (and hot gluing rock wool will not add substantial damping to those walls) and a box that size should never have an issue at 50Hz anyway. If it were 5.5 or 11 feet tall sure...but that box is less than 36" That should have been shown as change in system Q in an impedance measurement and an elimination in any impedance wiggle up higher in frequency. I would estimate (again without knowing the exact enclosure dimension) that it's a vertical internal standing wave that doesn't form until ~225hz or so. Even then he'd have to do a double layer of 2" rockwool since the performance of the stuff starts to drop even with the higher density foam between 250 and 500Hz pretty significantly.
@AldenPez
@AldenPez 3 жыл бұрын
Do you subtract the air space taken up by the egg crate foam or mineral wool from your boxes air space?
@FSXgta
@FSXgta Жыл бұрын
In this case it's infinite baffle so the volume is already correct
@Vibration_Crew
@Vibration_Crew 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, Rockwool...... itchy stuff, gritty on the teeth if your unlucky enough to breath it in. If your thinking of using this stuff in a high power reflex design/port, cover it in fabric b4 installing (like a pillow) High power drivers can break up the material causing particles to get pushed out of the port and into your room. Covering it with fabric will at least contain any breakup. Spraying the cut ends with hairspray was another trick I've seen.
@RadRidesByCru
@RadRidesByCru 4 жыл бұрын
@nate0
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of the studio absorbers use plastic sheeting in addition to fabric to contain the rockwool. The dust is notorious, and is a significant concern as a panel reaches an age of a few decades. This is one of the reasons why Owens Corning resin-fiberglass panels are popular in the USA.
@Vibration_Crew
@Vibration_Crew 4 жыл бұрын
nate0 > Totally agree with you, thought I'd just add the covering part incase some people didn't know.
@wadimek116
@wadimek116 Ай бұрын
Actually your completely wrong at least in EU, they tested the health concerns of breathing around them as workers were installing them in many buildings and results were that no health concers after 5 years.
@brycelawmaster3746
@brycelawmaster3746 4 жыл бұрын
how much does using mineral wool change the air volume in the encloser, and how much of the graph change is due to the smaller air volume now?
@HPMIKE55
@HPMIKE55 3 жыл бұрын
@HexiBase great job bro! & my box is like the 74 litter but it is powered and has a rectangular vent that I don't know if I should close or leave open? I just watche movies if that helps. lol
@heimdall4148
@heimdall4148 4 жыл бұрын
That mineral wool is exactly the same stuff as what you can buy in the hardware store to insulate your house with.
@steeezyb
@steeezyb 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase I'd wager a guess the difference would be negligable, and most likely not worth the price incurred by having some sort of acoustics stamp. Anyhow, I was excited for this video but I wanted to learn about how different angles effect the frequency graph. I saw an audiophile video with someone touting "defractionless" speakers and I could not find much information surrounding that. Sure it's certainly bogus, but a rectangle prism I'd imagine is hardly near our best option. Please drop some knowledge if you can.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
@@steeezyb you would be better off searching for "diffraction".
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
Yea man, Rockwool RW3 or RWA45 is standard mass produced insulation stuff. It is designed and rated for acoustic insulation as well as thermal. In the USA a lot of recording studios prefer Owens Corning resin fiberglass panels www.owenscorning.com/insulation/products/type706andtype707seriesfiberglasinsulationboards , because they are less prone to shedding the horrid rockwool dust.
@pandahead9274
@pandahead9274 4 жыл бұрын
Check out tech ingredients video on diy acoustic panels and absorbing materials
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 4 жыл бұрын
Regular fiberglass pink is not much different from egg crate insulation. If you manage to find stuff labeled as "Quiet Zone" or some thing like that, it will be superior to regular pink. It is however quite a bit more expensive, usually about twice the price. And it is usually not as good as mineral wool, but is often somewhat cheaper as well. So you have some gradient of trade off vs performance. For my low power system I went with mineral wool after trying many other things. In my situation it was the only thing that worked to my satisfaction. And this is also keeping in mind the room is purpose built.
@topdog301
@topdog301 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck I love your videos, I just wish you could do more, but I know quality would suffer...
@mattieson130
@mattieson130 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a tutorial, of how to make correct time alignment messurements, and how to eq properly. there is'nt much info about that. thanks from the netherlands
@KimOyhus
@KimOyhus 4 жыл бұрын
A hamster crawled through the bass reflex port of a friends subwoofer, and could not get out again. So he lifted the woofer and shaked it to get the hamster out. That did not work, so he had to dismantle it to get the hamster, which had been shaken around in rock wool. It died a few days later, and his daughters got sad. As for the good sound absorption. I think this is due to rocks higher density, so the fibers resist moving with the sound waves. And there should also be optimal thicknesses of the fibers, matching air diffusion distances at different frequencies.
@henrysebok8796
@henrysebok8796 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, great video. How did you simulate the air movement?
@wizardgaming5738
@wizardgaming5738 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know as well!!
@henrysebok8796
@henrysebok8796 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase I've seen other videos of yours with calculated frequency responses for all types of enclosures. I use WinISD and only have a few options for enclosures. How would you calculate more advanced responses?
@delusionwalker8852
@delusionwalker8852 4 жыл бұрын
Dude... there are is no other way for me to say it.... I love you! Your channel is pure gold. Very inspiring, clean image, beautiful animation, fluent speech, you know what you are talking about, not too fast not too slow, easy to fallow, simply awesome. What on earth could I ask for more? Well.... that you were my neighbour. 😁
@bluerads577
@bluerads577 4 жыл бұрын
You should try the fxtreme DB450 DSP amp! it is wayy better then any other amp boards, and it has literally everything already build in, bluetooth, DSP, 4 channels (2 channels bridged) and even a freakin step up booster! so basically a AIO lol.... i already bought it a few weeks ago and it really is the best amp money can buy
@walterwilliams3861
@walterwilliams3861 4 жыл бұрын
U are the most knowledgeable channel that I visit on utube....great vid.
@pabloosvaldopenizzotto1098
@pabloosvaldopenizzotto1098 4 ай бұрын
Have you ever completely filled the box inside with poly fill or other absorbing/ damping material? What was the results? ..or what your recomendactions about this? Thank you!
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway Жыл бұрын
so then what about 90 degree angles mentioned in thumbnail
@badsob83
@badsob83 4 жыл бұрын
Are you calculating the sectional density and volume of the dampening material for wave reverb delay /phase delay to impact resonance vs just using a more efficient enclosure ?
@2869may
@2869may 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it absolutely changed the volume of the enclosure a fair amount.
@schlegs86
@schlegs86 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I was wondering what your thoughts were on poly-fil stuff! More like when to use vs not to use situations.
@christhopherlasher2828
@christhopherlasher2828 4 жыл бұрын
I also would have liked to known his thoughts on that since he has not answered you back
@christhopherlasher2828
@christhopherlasher2828 4 жыл бұрын
Except for he answered it down below in somebody else's comments and I just found
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot 4 жыл бұрын
G'day, Fascinating stuff...! Dare one ask how long the Novel Corona Virus might remain viable on Compressed Mineral Rock Wool vs Egg-Crate Foam...? (lol). I've been systematically venting 50 years of Sopwith Camel-ology with a mega-series devoted thereto...; if you're into Camel-ology they're absolutely captivating, and if not they're probably as boring as Batshit. Such is Life, Have a good one. Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot 4 жыл бұрын
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@technomaker777
@technomaker777 Жыл бұрын
Hello! Tell more about modeling response of speaker and enclosure PLEASE! How dou you predict it?? What software do you use?
@JesusChristSaves2024
@JesusChristSaves2024 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like a very expensive way to smooth out the response. You did not state how much reduction/improvement you've got (in terms of db), and whether the wool affected efficiency, And whether you've actually heard the difference, especially with music. Personally, I'd first modify the internal geometry by getting rid of the 90° corners and filling the box with a cheaper alternative.
@pedrova8058
@pedrova8058 2 жыл бұрын
foam, rockwool or any other similar stuff dont´t have any important effect on bass region, under 200Hz fibers do not absorb or dissipate nothing. When you need to absorb or dissipate energy in that frequency range, vibrating panels are used in conjunction with some absorption (membrane resonator), or bass traps that depend on the dimensions of the wavelength (1/4 lambda) or helmholtz resonators. Foam or other similar stuff inside box absorb only the highest resonance internal modes. The effective response on bass depends on box dimensions (due to refraction, 100-400hz) or on main modes of the room. Below 100Hz, in a normal room (without very deep bass traps, or any treatment in that region), the frecuency response is heavily influenced by the resonant modes of the room. And the equalization does not have much effect, because once these resonance modes are activated in the room, they are "hung", ringing for a while once the sound source stops emitting. Waterfall plots are very helpful to see what happens in the room on extreme bass
@EvolveGaming98
@EvolveGaming98 3 жыл бұрын
I am writing my pre-grad thesis on this topic. sooo.... what's your favourite damping material? p.s., anyone have any publicated sources on this topic?
@loudsonicbug2195
@loudsonicbug2195 3 жыл бұрын
imma just slap old clothes and towels in my sub. works fine.
@johnsimun6533
@johnsimun6533 3 жыл бұрын
If you put a mesh separator in the middle. Then put an hinged lid on the top. Make sure to install a air tight gasket, along with a latch strong enough to keep it sealed. You then have a (can’t combine the words together to make sense) laundry basket/subwoofer.
@AJ-wb2dp
@AJ-wb2dp 4 жыл бұрын
At time approx 1:25 you show cabinet internal pressure simulations-what software is being used here? Assume more "price friendly" than Comsol?.... Cheers.
@robertthompson578
@robertthompson578 3 жыл бұрын
Is the enclosure made with mdf if so I used to install car audio for 15 years. Mdf is pourers meaning it’s compressed wood that air can still penetrate the material. When I design a box I fibre glass the inside and then paint the inside with bitchinum paint which builders use on the roof. Then apply the sound proof . Amazing results. I’ll send you pictures of my installation which I’m doing to my van
@tianjohan4633
@tianjohan4633 3 жыл бұрын
What if you change the internal shape? If you stick to the same size cabinet, what happens if there are no parallell walls? If you curve the rear wall, and the side wall? Or any other shape you might fancy that might help sound wave reflection? For years I've been having this in the back of my head without finding the time to test it out, and also I don't have any test equipment or skills how to use such tools, so I would have to rely on my ears and only them, and I am not sure they are good enough to hear any difference. Have you ever tested this out in real life?
@rogerdavis2056
@rogerdavis2056 Жыл бұрын
I have used carpet foam padding on my subwoofer boxes. And had great results by ear not by computer analysis.
@Thomas..Anderson
@Thomas..Anderson 4 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see further investigation on the effects of cabinet bracing and constrained layer damping. And also a comparison with plain old industrial grey felt.
@sniper8567
@sniper8567 3 жыл бұрын
How can the mineral wool in that small box affect 18Hz. Something is wrong. Think you are using more smoothing on that last curve.
@sudd3660
@sudd3660 4 жыл бұрын
i thought that filling a sealed box was the way to go, there are special sealed box damping material for that.
@ABWSKITCHEN
@ABWSKITCHEN 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I just build a subwoofer with a Skar audio enclosure and a 10" Electrovoice Subwoofer driver, it produces excessive vibration all over the house, so I tried to isolate it by placing the subwoofer over a piece of foam and it worked 75%, do you have an idea on how can I can reduce more of the vibration? Thanks in advance...
@anglerandy5736
@anglerandy5736 3 жыл бұрын
Can I do a push pull isobaric with a front facing subwoofer and a down firing subwoofer firing into the enclosure from the top at a 90 degree angle from front subwoofer?
@ThePiraguista
@ThePiraguista 3 жыл бұрын
How much the volume the insulations occupies inside the box? would be interesting to test the same real volume in an enclosure bigger enough to compensate the 2in thinckness of the rockwool
@spuds7677
@spuds7677 3 жыл бұрын
Was it worth the time and money to switch to the Mineral Wool? To me there was little effect between the different insulation types. It may change the graph some but can you actually hear the changes?
@notyobiz6207
@notyobiz6207 3 жыл бұрын
so the mineral wool is out of stock... and a pillow from walmart is 3 bucks... how should i proceed? lmao
@farbe123
@farbe123 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are really good learning material! thanks for doing this! Please do a video about room modes and the compensation with 2 subs.
@seangarrison3515
@seangarrison3515 2 жыл бұрын
Put activated carbon in the bottom and test again. I bet you would see an even bigger difference.
@scorpio6587
@scorpio6587 4 жыл бұрын
4:31 It would be awesome to see a plot of the light blue curve minus the yellow curve, or perhaps the absolute value of the difference, if the program you are using allows it.
@johnviera3884
@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын
So you’re telling me that filling up that space with all that wool does not affect the volume of the box?
@joecool7165
@joecool7165 12 күн бұрын
Have you ever played with JL dsp
@hoth2112
@hoth2112 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever looked into mass-loading (sand-filled walls, inner walls lined with dynamat between the cabinet & rockwool), or constrained layer damping & its affects on cabinet construction/resonance?
@ImMortal468
@ImMortal468 4 жыл бұрын
Could you show us what software do you use for all that measuring, calculating and predicting?
@toddstewart4579
@toddstewart4579 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase Specifically, what was the FEA tool you used to model the interior wave propagation?
@toddstewart4579
@toddstewart4579 3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone identify the various piece of software being used in this video?
@_klent
@_klent Жыл бұрын
Peaks and dips in the response can be corrected in the DSP but the ringing is still there. Treating is the best way to fix this problem. Btw, nice presentation.
@JulianKrause
@JulianKrause 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Does the mineral wool lower the sensitivity of the subwoofer?
@JulianKrause
@JulianKrause 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase Thank you for the quick reply and all the knowledge that you share! 👍
@nvrfollowb5
@nvrfollowb5 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of software models the pressure waves like that inside the box?
@fornarnia8
@fornarnia8 4 жыл бұрын
Still don't quite get why too much sound processing sounds unnatural? Maybe you could do a video on it?
@carlos2004
@carlos2004 4 жыл бұрын
i think it mostly refers to trying to fix the natural destructive nodes through dsp instead of actually fixing the room/speaker positions/speaker cabs. if the problem is severe, you're just going to be adding a lot of distortion because the amp will clip first at those huge spikes, and the speaker will distort since it is still working harder, but it will be naturally muted due to the destructive node cancellations. i personally have this problem, (at around 120hz for me) and my audio suffers because of it, mainly classical music which has huge dynamic range (and imo, unnecessary). i'm not a perfectionist, and because it works well enough as it is, i haven't bothered fixing it.
@bluedog7222
@bluedog7222 4 жыл бұрын
You have forgotten to label the y-axis
@richardperry3020
@richardperry3020 3 жыл бұрын
What effects do sound deadening with the likes of dynomat make?
@xaytana
@xaytana 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have any videos on box geometry, as in what the optimal solid would be? Such as a cube vs. a sphere, maybe even comparisons with some other solids such as the other platonics, or the more easier to construct archimedian and catalan solids; I'm also somewhat curious about how a toroidal enclosure would theoretically work. I know this would only really be demonstrated with air velocity/pressure simulations, as there's no real way to make a truly spherical enclosure easily, and finding a way to glue together a large solid that isn't a cube could be fairly difficult. I'm just more curious as to how deviation from 90 degree corners would affect output; say, would a tetrahedron be better or worse, or would an octahedron be better or worse, then so on until we get to something that's too difficult to manufacture, like high face count solids and spheres.
@dannyhoang3192
@dannyhoang3192 2 жыл бұрын
This video is very helpfull, bro. Thanks for that
@CaedenV
@CaedenV 4 жыл бұрын
Rock wool is amazing! Recently rehabbed an attic room for my daughter, and part of the room had a seciton cut out where the bathroom/shower is. I bought a pack of rock wool, and threw it in the wall, and also used thicket drywall (not worth it! thick drywall is waaaay to hard to work with), and the noise difference is incredible! I mean, you already have backer board, tile, grout, and drywall, but previously you could hear every drop of watter hitting the floor in there. The slightest hum, and you could hear it in that room. Now with the rock wool, there is a little bit of a running water noise from the pipe in the wall; But that is it! Unless you are singing your heart out, nobody is going to hear anything that is going on in there. Ironically, go to my son's room, which also shares a wall with the same bathroom, but the room part, not the shower, and you can hear everything. His side only has some thin drywall in the bathroom side, and some 70's era 'wood' pannelling, but it is pretty bad. Guess I know what I'll be doing next! Thankfully I already did most of his room, so it wont be the whole room. Pretty much just this one wall... and maybe move a cut-in notch to make a real closet space in there.
@jwtiiicnt
@jwtiiicnt 4 жыл бұрын
So when you add the dense mineral wool the box volume is reduced. This test compared to the volume of the empty box would not be the same test correct?
@elektrocat8681
@elektrocat8681 3 жыл бұрын
What software do you use to simulate the enclosures. Great work 👍
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland Жыл бұрын
MOAR MINERAL WOOL!!!!!
@numlockkilla
@numlockkilla 4 жыл бұрын
I dont see how those small changes would even reflect into hearing perception. You would be better off using a dsp and building for your space instead. My opinion.
@derekhoffman9737
@derekhoffman9737 4 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, what would the response be on an enclosure like this if you added a small port to it with the mineral wool? Also how would a rounded enclosure effect the sound and response of the sub? Meaning the inside of the enclosure being egg shaped.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
The difficulty of mapping semi-conductive elements within an enclosure is the reason why the aperiodic enclosure design was omitted from the original thiele & small papers on parametric modelling of enclosures. In all honesty that rockwool isn't thick enough to really influence subwoofer frequencies, and if you look at many of the commercial sealed cabinet designs from pro audio, it is typical to fully-fill the cabinet with polyester wadding in order to achieve a relevant level of resonance damping. I would expect that a box entirely filled with rockwool would be quite successful in reducing resonances, but might be difficult to model. Have a look at this BBC research paper on the subject of wideband rockwool absorbers for reference: www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/rdreport_1992_11 Also for reference note that low frequency absorption is not generally achieved using rockwool panels, but instead by using perforated membranes: www.bbc.co.uk/rd/publications/rdreport_1971_15 There is a lot to be said for solving the problems of speaker cabinets using the same acoustics toolbox and materials palette as is used for an architectural scale space, although the general assumption has been that speaker cabinets and smaller rooms do not have the required volumes required for the absorption of low frequencies using foam/mineral wool.
@Jean-Triphase
@Jean-Triphase 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, the wavelenght of low frequency are to long to trying to damping it with any absorbers materials, the most important in cabinet for low frequency driver is eigenmodes of the cabinet himself. Some commercial brands just put absorbers in there subwoofer to make it look great when customers look inside, but most of the time it's totaly pointless. It need several meters of foam absorber to start damping 50Hz who has 6.86 meters wavelenght. Sorry for my English :D Just a thought: Maybe the mineral wool dont absorved this 50Hz resonance, it slow down the air in the cabinet at a specific location and calm down a cabinet eigenmode around 50Hz. if it really absorved the 50Hz resonance so why it didnt absorved the 80Hz resonance and all the little dips after 100Hz which got a shorter wavelenght, in theory it's easyer to absorve a shorter wavelenght. just a thought btw.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Triphase well, suffice to say that almost all decent quality PA cabinets have fairly thick lagging inside them - usually wool felt of some sort. The dynamics of the system and how it pressurises and depressurises - and also how wave fronts propagate within the cabinet - the general assumption is that supplying enough dampening material at the boundary thus removing the ability of the cabinet's internal resonances to result from unwanted reflections and standing waves / comb filtering is appropriate. For a subwoofer the effects are going to be negligible, whereas building a 4ft deep box/tube entirely filled with rockwool very likely would produce a totally different but hard to model enclosure. This would allow both the exploration of the more detailed sorts of analysis of exactly what rockwool does, and also would very likely produce a resonance-free and back-wave free enclosure which might outperform a sealed cabinet in terms of frequency response if not efficiency. One question is... what is the speed of sound in rockwool?
@Jean-Triphase
@Jean-Triphase 4 жыл бұрын
Yes PA Speaker or even Hifi, Pro monitoring for the absorve >500Hz. Braces is used for control 500Hz. I still maintains Wool is nearly pointless for absorbing frequency resonance inside a subwoofer cabinet.
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Triphase well, regarding frequencies, depends on the size of the box, really. The problem is that if you over-fill a cabinet, you start changing the speed of sound. That is the "secret sauce" and patented method in PMC's transmission lines.
@johnviera3884
@johnviera3884 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the DSP devices by Audio Dynamics.
@dashSlap
@dashSlap 3 жыл бұрын
"not for blaring at a gas station".... I'm out :-)
@eamonnosullivan1563
@eamonnosullivan1563 3 жыл бұрын
Love the detail you go into and the pace. Thanks for sharing. What simulation software did you use in the video?
@goodgoat3096
@goodgoat3096 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious about how denim house insulation would compare, or the very expensive stuff that GR-Research sells. Love the videos.
@thomasschafer7268
@thomasschafer7268 Жыл бұрын
Total überteuert. Wie Bondum800 in Deutschland
@jeffabercrombie167
@jeffabercrombie167 4 жыл бұрын
Just throwing it out there, what about memory foam and follow up question for anyone, does the fill add or subtract or do nothing to the internal volume
@jeffabercrombie167
@jeffabercrombie167 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, really appreciate your channel
@dwightcarter6334
@dwightcarter6334 4 жыл бұрын
Although not as easy as foam or insulation have you done any testing with angled corner bracing to kill the corner waves?
@CriticalTechReviews
@CriticalTechReviews 4 жыл бұрын
Super looking forward to the DSP multi channel tutorial. I've been thinking about going digital for a while now.
@Juanro_7
@Juanro_7 2 жыл бұрын
What about changing the geometry of the box?
@rmksledhead63
@rmksledhead63 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't a sphere the most 'ideal' shape for an enclosure? Could be done easily in a 3d printed design.
@dawn9340
@dawn9340 4 жыл бұрын
How do you calculate for an enclosure with that in it? Do you model it with some % of box stuffing, or do you build the box normally and then just put it in?
@2869may
@2869may 3 жыл бұрын
it absolutely changed the volume of the enclosure
@MasterDJRenn
@MasterDJRenn 4 жыл бұрын
Always a 👍.
@Taluvian
@Taluvian 4 жыл бұрын
So what if you take all the sides and make them not parallel?
@JaMarvelousjmar
@JaMarvelousjmar 4 жыл бұрын
Would adding 45s in the corners help?
@A6Legit
@A6Legit 3 жыл бұрын
So do you have to adjust the enclosure volume to make up for the lost space? Treat it as the dimensions lost or not 100% since its fiber not a solid
@2869may
@2869may 3 жыл бұрын
it absolutely changed the volume of the enclosure
@A6Legit
@A6Legit 3 жыл бұрын
@@2869may Hence my comment. Everyone says insulation makes the sub preform as if it were in a bigger enclosure. Polyfill for instance takes up a lot of space but its not displacing the entire area that it occupies.
@2869may
@2869may 3 жыл бұрын
@@A6Legit I don't understand it either, but many knowledgeable people say it.... I have done it but can't say I could notice any difference.
@Itsme-vs9py
@Itsme-vs9py 4 жыл бұрын
Does the wool/egg crate take up box volume ? I know it does physicality.
@Itsme-vs9py
@Itsme-vs9py 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ok. I get it. When designing a box you need to allow for the wool. Does the same apply for that nylon pillow stuffing people use? Thanks btw. 👌
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 4 жыл бұрын
Not significantly, it's fairly porous. There is some debate as to what the speed of sound in rockwool is, though.
@clintonswart6670
@clintonswart6670 2 жыл бұрын
the link for mineral wool doesnt work
@alexlittig2897
@alexlittig2897 3 жыл бұрын
@Hexibase just wondering if you have ever dabbled with some Isometric Pressure Speaker drivers? Vifa makes some good ones. I have the Vifa Helsinki and its one of the best sounding Bluetooth speakers i have ever listened to. I bet you you could create a kick ass Isometric Pressure Speaker set up with your vast sound knowledge.
@braddsouza4
@braddsouza4 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on modeling enclosures for a room
@kabevis1
@kabevis1 2 жыл бұрын
Love your video. Question for you HexiBass - with sealed enclosures, would filling it airspace with hexafluoride gas help it sound deeper?
@andysmith7731
@andysmith7731 4 жыл бұрын
Support at PWK still a thing? Need a loaded enclosure is cooked my SUB :(
@Carl_Jr
@Carl_Jr 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen you refer to an infinite baffle once the Vb exceeds the Vas, but my question lies in vented enclosures. Most recommendations for a vented enclosures by the woofer manufacturers exceed the Vas. Does this i.e. create an infinite baffle environment? Or does the behavior of the vent negate the additional volume? Thanks
@Carl_Jr
@Carl_Jr 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase Thank you for the info.
@Andrewatnanz
@Andrewatnanz 3 жыл бұрын
would changing the shape to get rid of parallel sides work better than rockwool?
@mrb.5610
@mrb.5610 3 жыл бұрын
Probably - but cabinets with sloping or unparallel sides are a b_gger to make. I'm sort of considering a pair - you can model them in a CAD programme like Fusion 360 to get the sizes and angles for the panels and use a circular saw that can be tilted ... but it's gonna be a lot of work !
@joecool7165
@joecool7165 12 күн бұрын
Thank you
@46HarvesterOfSorrow
@46HarvesterOfSorrow 3 жыл бұрын
What about the common poly fill? If planning for the wool, does it eat up some air space? In other words, build a little bit bigger enclosure to get your net volume after the wool? I usually do minimum 1" walls with overkill bracing. Then loosely fill with poly.
@bassxtcy
@bassxtcy 4 жыл бұрын
How did you model the frequency response of different enclosure shapes? I’ve always been under the impression that shape is not important for low frequencies as long as the surface/panel is rigid. Is that an incorrect assumption?
@Str8GasGenetics
@Str8GasGenetics 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't if you look at the graphs, everything under 60hz barely barely moved an inaudible amount really even the rest of the band barely moved
@rekik66
@rekik66 4 жыл бұрын
Does either material alter enclosure volume? Should you compensate for it? Maybe the difference is negligible.
@markchaplain1152
@markchaplain1152 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there !! I am new to all this and not very knowledgeable on this subject but I have an unrelated question that no-one seems to want to answer me ! I have a pair of 4 ohm home surround speakers and want to know if they are the same as 4 ohm car stereo speakers ?? Thank you
@anandshah71
@anandshah71 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video or series of video on room correction and bass management using miniDSP and mic and rew. Not able to find any online wonder how people missed this is the core. I won’t mind to pay for such a content
@nick111
@nick111 4 жыл бұрын
What about the fibre material that is blasted around by the compressed air? Earlier or later for sure that stuff will destroy the speaker. I won't imagine what can when these fibres are blasted by bassreflex. How to handle that?
@kencohagen4967
@kencohagen4967 4 жыл бұрын
I like your theme music ! While doing the first two sweeps, you could hear a bump between 40 and 60 HZ as the frequency moves up. That aberration is go we with the rock wool. And now I know where to get it, but when using the rock wool how does that effect the enclosure size, as if you’re planning to use it from the start? Does is count as if the walls of the enclosure were 50% closer together than without any damping, or is it the same? Thanks Pete!
@alvinchow5351
@alvinchow5351 2 жыл бұрын
amazing videography
@JasonLeaman
@JasonLeaman 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the little 10" screen on the side of your desk ? ( any info ) ?
@JasonLeaman
@JasonLeaman 4 жыл бұрын
@@HexiBase So want one for my setup! thanks for all your awesome Videos sir !
@quinxx12
@quinxx12 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, your videos are already quite advanced. Are there any good resources you would recommend if one wants to start with speaker building?
@turblown
@turblown 3 жыл бұрын
How the heck did you film this shot?! Wow 2:57
@gjkrisa
@gjkrisa 3 жыл бұрын
3d camera?
@gjkrisa
@gjkrisa 3 жыл бұрын
There are tiktoks that show how to do this but dont remember how think it was a gopro session and editing
@budgetaudiophile6048
@budgetaudiophile6048 4 жыл бұрын
So while I definitely don't consider home theater "critical listening", My theater has 11 DIY subs in it and 7 DIY towers for the main bed layer. I use polyfill for all of my subs (as they're all sealed units for ultra low extension) and have considered changing the insulation. Do you think I'd get stronger ULF results (say below 15Hz) if I went with this type of insulation over polyfill?
@cameronshapley7454
@cameronshapley7454 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a dedicated video on the bass reflex band pass box, the one where it ports into another chamber I would really like to build one but can’t find any more information on it besides the uncommon box video you made
@mikebrost286
@mikebrost286 4 жыл бұрын
What software are you using to model air pressure and/or response per box layout? This looks much better than bass pro!
@Finite-Tuning
@Finite-Tuning 3 жыл бұрын
I use polly-fill myself, I like it's affect better than foam. But I've never measured the before and after, you've definitely got me wondering about that wool stuff though! That's an impressive result for sure.
@tone1585
@tone1585 Жыл бұрын
What are the dimensions of your sub woofer enclosure
@tone1585
@tone1585 Жыл бұрын
Also what woofer are you using
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