BORG Busters - Starfleet's Anti-Borg WAR Ships!

[@matthewdavies2057]

I want to see a Defiant refit armed with Janeway's anti-Borg weapons from the future.

[@mowvu]

we all do Matthew, we all do

[@staffan144]

What ever became of / what happened to / where are Janeway's anti-Borg weapons? (Or did they disappear / never manifest once she went back in time and destroyed the Borgs / and changed the future?)

[@matthewdavies2057]

@@staffan144 I read Starfleet ordered all Voyager Borg tech classified as to not violate the temporal prime directive.

[@ciaranconlon84]

I want it equipped with a spore drive. Imagine whole civilizations fighting for their lives against a handful of cubes, Defiant jumps in from nowhere, obliterates them with transphasic torpedoes and leaves again without a word. I don't know if canon covers this, but after the end of Voyager, if there are any Borg remaining then surely the federation would be their main target both for the technology and because of the threat they represent. It would seem to be an urgent matter to destroy as much of the remaining collective as possible before they can regroup and send everything they've got straight into sector 001.

[@gups4963]

@@matthewdavies2057 Section 31 is like "lol, sure guys"

[@ricogoldstar]

If Q had not introduced Starfleet to the Borg way before, Earth would have been assimilated by now. Also, the encounter caused Starfleet to create true war ships that came in quite handy when fighting the Dominion. Q knew what he was doing.

[@BILLEON2005]

“Hypothetical speculation”

[@shaunkelly9053]

Q generally does know what he’s doing because he’s seen all the variations of the multiverse. Of course it turns out the borg queen just wanted a friend and some therapy. 😒

[@ricogoldstar]

@@shaunkelly9053 😆😅 Facts !

[@ricogoldstar]

@@BILLEON2005 You must be that one Vulcan on the SCIENCE Directorate that said "Time travel is *impossible* ".

[@BILLEON2005]

@@ricogoldstar I would actually be a Klingon near Uranus!!

[@cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547]

The Akira class is my favorite of all Star Trek ships. I wouldn’t mind seeing that class on screen more.

[@darrenkeady6570]

She is a beauty of a ship.

[@ihl8608]

the akira and the sovereign (Enterprise E) are my favorite.

[@jasongould04]

USS Avalon

[@matthewjay660]

U.S.S. Thunder Child. Follow me; we go in harm's way. Allons-y! 👉🏻

[@spiderboy43]

Likewise, really wish the Akira was a hero ship in a future Star Trek show.

[@MasterCleife]

When the defiant engaged the lakota. It was implied that starfleet didn't even know about the ablative armour modifications. Good old Chief O'Brien

[@jameslynch2399]

The Enterprise E needs more screentime. It was a fantastic design. 3 movies wasn't nearly enough, and having its successor already being decommissioned in season 3 of Picard is a crime. Also the Akira-class is a great design. Would love to see more. It's basically a flying aircraft carrier, so it could be the focus of a very different type of story than what we usually see in Trek. And of course the Defiant, because that would mean we're getting more DS9 content (though hopefully not like the season 8 that was outlined in What We Left Behind because as much as I respect those guys and the work they did on DS9, their ideas for season 8 didn't appeal to me much at all).

[@deathgnomes]

I agree, I was sooooo excited to see the Odyssey on screen only to get knee'd in the gut as it almost immediately gets decommissioned and replaced by a ship a third it's size.

[@newworld9133]

Sabers, Norways and Steamrunners are all awesome. They all deserve screen time. I would love a 2 or 3 season series focused on a few of these ships and thier crew during the domi ion war.

[@davidford3115]

I really wish they had rebuilt the Norway Model and had her grace the screen in Voyager's episodes set in the Alpha Quadrant.

[@blaablup222]

Ds9 did... their not that powerfull for shure. They just are more war equiped than prior ships, nothing more. And their faster than most fed ships at that time (aka Miranda's Excelsiors and Constitutions (and that extreme rare ship, even in STO, the ambassador)

[@MidnightSt]

when you said "let's start with the best one", I shouted "Akiraaaaaa!" because it is. Seriously. Anyone who piloted Akira in that Bridge Commander mod which added basically all the ships that ever appeared in all of star trek knows first-hand that it's the best. It doesn't have torpedo launchers. It's got torpedo machineguns.

[@davidford3115]

There is a reason why it is so popular in Star Trek: Online.

[@JCAH1]

It's funny how the inpenetrable Tachyon shields, the Quantum Slipstream Drive and the Transphasic torpedoes employed by Voyager, are never mentioned by Star Trek after Voyager made it back to Earth. Each of those technologies completely and immediately obsoleted existing technology in the entire Alpha quadrant, even including Warp Drive. Voyager brought many hyper-advanced technologies to Star Fleet (only three are listed here), yet all of them are completely ignored in all Star Trek episodes, spin offs and movies that take place after Voyager returned to Earth.

[@BILLEON2005]

A Super Duper EMP??

[@Dr.Westside]

They all violated the temporal prime directive . That is why Starfleet would not use most of the Voyager technologies . In Picard it shows that they certainly did use the stuff that didn't violate the temporal prime directive .

[@JCAH1]

@@Dr.Westside I am not buying it. Starfleet would throw any and all morals and rules out the window in a heart beat, when it came to protecting the Alpha Quadrant against the Borg.

[@dawgman6654]

@@JCAH1 I'm sure someone would try. But I guarantee that there were some time cop shenanigans going on that put a stop to many of the techs' usage.

[@davidford3115]

@@dawgman6654 And those time cops would be ensuring their own existence was re-conned out. Can't have a 29th century Federation to enforce the Temporal Accords if the Federation gets wiped out before the 29th century. If for that reason alone, they would allow certain technologies to be employed as a "Hail Mary" to preserve the timeline.

[@MultiRanman]

It’s the Defiant, it’s always the Defiant. It’s the only Starfleet ship that was built for ONE purpose: kill anything that moves. It’s a warship. It knows it’s a warship. It’s beautiful in that regard. It is one of the best ship in sci-fi.

[@johnshafer7214]

I love the Defiant!

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Meh, it's kinda dumb looking.

[@johnharrison6745]

@@tedwojtasik8781 Nah; your comment is just kinda dumb-sounding. 🤪

[@MultiRanman]

@@tedwojtasik8781 Compared to?

[@tomfuller4205]

AMEN

[@woogha]

I love the Defiant. But give me a show about the Thunderchild. Make it a rescue of the week series. Give it the tone of Baywatch.

[@darrenkeady6570]

Epic.

[@Manco65]

So they'll be scantily clad space vixens and plenty of boobies? Count me in!

[@davidford3115]

One day running medical supplies, another doing "Heavy Rescue: 401"? I could dig it.

[@nikkinyteshade11]

You mean .. like … with lots of “bouncy” slow motion action and plenty of hair tossing? (Snicker snort)!

[@woogha]

@@nikkinyteshade11 only if Morn is in every slomo shot.

[@FernandoTRA]

I really appreciate how clearly you enunciate. Much easier to understand. Thanks

[@Emanon...]

Reminds me of the old game "Birth of the Federation" Once you unlocked the tech for building Defiant class "heavy escort", it was pretty much game over for everyone else, including any Borg cubes that might show up.

[@jimbeam4736]

I played a great mod of this game today. It still is a gem.

[@Emanon...]

@@jimbeam4736 Yeah, it's still a great game. Especially with the mods. The stellaris ST mod is pretty great too!

[@jasonwestwood7092]

the Defiant had six torpedo launchers 4 forward and 2 aft they were the type 2 MK75 each could fire upto 8 torpedoes at ounce followed by a 5 second reload time.

[@ArturiusMaxwell]

@@jimbeam4736 Wait.. you can play BotF now?

[@davidford3115]

@@jimbeam4736 Please, share your link to that mod. Many of us want to try our hand at that game.

[@jamesrozell6467]

Genesis torpedoes would be the ultimate anti Borg weapons.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Don't know about that. What if one of those baby's turns em into a whole bunch of bro's? You know, Jersey Shore type Guido's. That would be worse than a Lovecraftian invasion from the 11th dimension of lamentations.

[@Barnhizer]

Genesis allowed is not! Genesis is weapon forbidden!

[@polarfroge]

@@tedwojtasik8781 You paint a vivid & terrifying picture.

[@zcustomcarnesi]

@@Barnhizer and so is the cloaking device

[@JFrazer4303]

The Genesis technology (70 years before TNG) is the ultimate. Both a weapon and planet builder. It eliminates any incentive for war which based on taking habitable planets. In a space setting, resources of any kind are not scarce. The only exceptions are for story devices, and they're always eliminated at the end of that story arc. The only scarcity would be creative work.

[@Bdady74]

"Miles Edward O'Brien"...that statement earned the Sub!

[@MikeSmith-vz5us]

Whoever designed the Sabre class must have been a fan of the N64. It looks just like the controller!

[@Ghalion666]

It was the other way around. Then they realized the ship needed more than 1 crew and the controller was an unwieldly beast.

[@chefdean7257]

I only helm the Sabre with an N64 controller. Nerd Law.

[@ravenmoon5111]

The Defiant. When Star Fleet wanted an A-10 Defiant go brrrrrr

[@eddieschwab864]

You're forgetting the main joke behind the Defiant, Sisko's pimp hand, when he decides he wants to be like his great-great-great-great-grandfather Hawk...

[@IgoByaGo]

Subscribed solely for the line "This ridiculous amount of Dakka." WAAAAAAAAAGH!

[@larryiscreating]

Man, those digital remasters look WONDERFUL! 👀

[@TheRVSN]

As well as nipples emphasized at 0:43.

[@scottlowell493]

Crew of the Defiant pushes buttons for a few minutes. Worf: "You fought like warriors!"

[@Grimmance]

Came for the anti Borg ships, subbed for the defiant love.

[@jameshunt1444]

Great job on this video - definitely more enjoyable (less dry) when the narrator is having fun.

[@williammay5300]

If the USS Defiant is a tough little ship... That would make the USS ENTERPRISE NCC 1701 E bad to the bone in toughest of all ships!!!

[@BrknRidr10317]

"Star Trek's version of Check Norris" - The most accurate statement that could have been made, totally true and had me lol'ing. Love it!

[@troytaylor1985]

The Star Trek novel "Imzadi" By Peter David has a more devastating weapon that the Borg will fear called "The Doomsday Machine". One of the Original Trek episodes of the second season tells of their encounter with the Doomsday Machine, which as mentioned in the novel the machine was actually designed by a race from the outer edge of our galaxy to destroy the Borg. The encounter with the Enterprise was just a small model of the quite larger version to come, but both were designed to hunt down and kill the Borg. If you haven't read the novel please do.

[@cimmerian100]

Could be a holiday read for me thanks! I've read some of Peter David's other Trek novels and they are excellent - very entertaining reads.

[@mackgiver875]

I thought that was Vendetta with the Doomsday Machines.

[@Blackwind_Legacy]

That was Vendetta, not Imzadi.

[@Blackwind_Legacy]

@@mackgiver875 You're right, OP is incorrect.

[@Ladysuesue]

FANFREAKINGTASTIC ALWAYS GREAT STUFF FROM YOU PEOPLE 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@shawnwilt7196]

So happy to hear you describe the Defiant's fire power as Dakka!!!

[@williamoverton7775]

The defiant is so potent a weapon is because it like a motorcycle. Which is to say a big reactor in a tiny ship

[@michaeleaton222]

Thanks for this! It was more enjoyable than almost any episode of New Trek :)

[@StandingUpForBetter]

Agreed!

[@saltyheathen8113]

Defiant class is now changed to Chuck Norris class. Which is the best class, nobody can ever be as useful as Chuck Norris class ships.

[@HighMojo]

Of course the Federation can fend off the Borg, otherwise the Borg wouldn't have bothered with the Federation as a target for assimilation in the first place. Even if the Federation cannot at the time of the battle, it has the potential to defeat the Borg, or at the very least pose a very signification threat. As proof of that, why would the Borg sphere bother to travel back in time before Earth had warp technology.

[@marczhu7473]

They should had send a cube in the past or the sphere loaded with futur borg capital ship to themselves.

[@RelativelyBest]

I admit, I never expected to hear the phrase "ridiculous amount of dakka" in a Star Trek video.

[@Manta-82]

Loved the Chuck reference LOL

[@kineuhansen8629]

always had this idea of having my own fantasy fleet in the federation my fleet command ship is the odyssey class dreadnought then my battle command ship was prometheus then flanked by 3 akira and 1 defiant

[@minimesleftknee2090]

No sovereign?

[@kineuhansen8629]

@@minimesleftknee2090 maybe as a back up command ship

[@neganrex5693]

@@kineuhansen8629 You need two Sovran class ships to fly one on each side of your Odyssey class so you will look really important coming into space dock.

[@thomashill6347]

I like them all when I play ARMADA II THANKS for sharing this interesting piece of Star Trek

[@RokkitGrrl]

My idea of the perfect warship would have zero windows. Transparent aluminum be damned, I don't want a single porthole in my warship looking out into space. Holographic technology eliminates the need for structural weaknesses like that. Every time I see big picture windows in spaceships meant for war, I think of this Canadian lawyer who used to punk new blood at the law firm at which he worked. He would initiate newbies by hurling himself at one of the big picture windows at office parties. Naturally it would cause fear because they were working in a high-rise office building, and the street was many stories below. Sure enough, the security windows never broke and he would normally bounce off while the window was no worse for wear. But what he never considered is that while the plate glass window was impervious to his shenanigans, the frame that held the window was not. The last time he hurled himself at the window, the entire frame broke out, sending him and that unbroken window hurtling to his death. I think about this every time I see warships in space with windows.

[@JFrazer4303]

Not a weather-proof building code, there. I once was tasked to remove a big window on floor level on a mall that was being taken down. I threw a sledge hammer at it, and it made a hole and a star of cracks, and bounced back.

[@jonathanhunt5808]

New series about Worf and Alexander could be great. Think about the possibilities.

[@525Lines]

The borg cube is the laziest kitbash ever.

[@High-Performance-IQ]

Ach...papperlapapp...

[@chefdean7257]

Beneath the Defiant's beard . . . Is another quantum torpedo launcher. 🤓

[@whydoineedaname11]

I have often wondered why so many Star Trek shows and movies seem to be centered on the support ship Enterprise, and not on the flagship Defiant.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

I loved the defiant, by far my favourite ship in all of star trek. edit: If it were up to me, I would have a fleet of Defiant class ships. Just awesome, from the look and design, to the in universe tech and ability of the ship. But mainly love the look of the ship, it looks like a war ship, as iconic as the enterprise looks, you don't come across it and go ''oh F, we are in trouble'' - the defiant looks menacing. Like the Douglas class ships from Star gate, purpose design, straight to the point, no extra fuss, all business of SEEK AND DESTROY. That is the only thing missing from the defiant, is fighter bays, but star trek doesn't use single craft fighters, so a fleet of defiant and Douglas class ships. perfect.

[@warblerblue]

It defies expectations...

[@porcorosso4330]

Star fleets main mission is not war... That is why you see long term mission ships with science, research, diplomatic capabilities go into battle..

[@whydoineedaname11]

@@porcorosso4330 And here I thought Star Fleets mission was to assimilate civilizations into the collective so that they could achieve perfection...

[@Anatol_Tobler]

the Defiant is not a flagship it is an attackship. To smal for that role. It is the strongest ship for its sice for shure but never a flaggship.

[@DasaniDragon]

The high res DS9 footage looks amazing. Watching the Defiant fly around so clearly looks so much better than I thought. The footage from Niners and Paramount that is

[@ZinXlX]

I would like to see more Steamrunner combat. Just seeing volleys of torpedoes is just really good to see.

[@erichanastacio9695]

Since the Defiant has been proven, maybe a larger version is in order. Worf: Commander Riker, I now have a BIG, TOUGHER SHIP!.... BIGGER THAN YOURS!!!

[@xedanis101]

I am now convinced this actually happened and that's the whole reason why Riker took command of a fleet of Inquiry Class ships in Picard. xD

[@StandingUpForBetter]

What a great video. I too LOVE the Defiant. I can still remember when it first showed up at DS9. Those were some good times. Actually one of my goals for vacation is to re-watch all the episodes of all the legacy Star Trek episodes, in timeline order from Enterprise, TOS, TAS, TNG, Voyager to DS9. I can't stand the "new" Trek.

[@Stratoliner]

We never got enough screen time of both the Defiant and Enterprise E. Both great ships and IMO the "peak" of modern Star Fleet design language.

[@gerdesilets]

the nebula class with the weapon/torpedoes pod seem useful too

[@poh1617]

When there's something green, in your neighborhood. Who you gonna call......?

[@ajrtorres]

Akira and Norway class are my favorite, wish to one day see an actual Norway version in STO

[@warblerblue]

WORF speaking of Defiant: this is my boomstick!

[@bobbywilliams9387]

loved the sovereign class enterprise. wanted to see more of it

[@jeffreywpearson652]

ty. Defiant is my favorite ship.

[@ODST_Parker]

Sovereign and Akira will always be my favorite canon ships in all of Star Trek. Defiant is definitely up there too. Saber is kinda like Starfleet's answer to the Klingon bird-of-prey concept, and I actually really like the design. Steamrunner and Norway have always felt like odd designs to me, but I do still like them well enough.

[@aaronmurphy9353]

If you ever have a chance to play the old PC game Star Trek Armada, the Steamrunner has a massive long range weapon that when you have a full hotkey of them a single shot from all 8 ships will kill any other ship including a Cube. (It's one of my favorite games and one of my favorite ships to use to break an opponent's base defenses.)

[@georgecoons6872]

we want to see a boxing match between the new 4000 meter borg cubes and the jem,hadar. stealing everything they got.. make it cannon.

[@stratguy1875]

I love the Saber class. The idea to make it modular so it could function in many different rolls is great! It’s sleek looking, but still has balance to it’s weight with the tubby secondary hull. Kind of cuts through space with it’s saucer section. I’ve kind of always imagined it to fly in wolf packs during the Dominion War, each ship with different module setups as to be effective against different enemies.

[@chefdean7257]

Imagine a mixed wing armada, divided into four flights; Four Sabre refits & three Steamrunner refits.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

The defiant is the next stage of, "any faster and it will fly!" Now it's, "any faster and she'll fly apart!"

[@thesageofgames1871]

Sulu: FLY HER APART, THEN!!!

[@augustjsb]

I don't know if it's classified as a ship or a station and it's entirely possible that you've already done it, but I think it'd be interesting if you did one on the 32nd century Federation/star fleet headquarters.

[@dredark3]

You damn right Chief O'Brien is important :)

[@thallus23]

I love the Akira! I would like to see more of the Norway class though.

[@warmachine9846]

As you predicted yes my favorite ship is the defiant-class. Because that little ship has big teeth

[@robertdragoff6909]

I’m guessing, but, I think the narrator’s favorite ship is the Defiant….. Interesting video

[@TCTurner]

He totally commandeered the love I showed for it in the original script and went to warp with it, and I'm fine with that 🤣

[@wiaf8937]

your chuzpe is of the charts! instant like and sub after watching the full video. you earned it :3

[@danedudlicek9241]

The defiant is actually much bigger than its often depicted as. Look at the two rows of windows on the lower decks on the inside of the bottom haul. The ship clearly has 6 if not 7 decks. Now compare that to the shot of the Enterprise flying behind it 3:55. The ship is 5 or 6 times smaller than it should be. Ironically the Defiant would be around the same size as a Saber class ship meaning its not so little after all

[@gokuvegeta7770]

its little even riker said it to worf and his period started after that

[@williamhelus3522]

Starship: USS Voyages took on Borg cube by itself. Metaphasic Armor. Metaphasic torpedoes. BullyBilly.

[@allnamesaretakenful]

The Defiant is the coolest Federation Ship.

[@1daysgrace]

I usually don't laugh at your jokes, but had to giggle when you mentioned the door stopper xD

[@biostemm]

The Sabre is one of my favorite designs! I could see it traveling in packs of 3-5, patrolling areas and annihilating anyone foolish enough to engage them. It'd be cool to see a command variant that would lead such packs...

[@mathiasloff6106]

For me also. The Sabre is a wolf pack class and more versatile than the defaint. And it looks super cool.

[@davidford3115]

Indeed. I would love to see a Sabre Wing made of ships named after Aviation pioneers. USS Aldrin, USS Komarov, USS Gagarin, and USS Howard Hughs alongside the USS Yeager. And also, a Wolf-pack Squad named after submariner skippers who distinguished themselves. USS Gunther Prien (U-47, the Bull of Scapa Flow), USS Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock (The Smiling Sawfish- basis of Das Boot), USS Herbert Schneider (U-522), USS Helmut Rosenbaum (U-73), USS Kurt Sturm (U-410), USS Herbert Wohlfarth (U-556), USS Ottokar Arnold Paulssen (U-557), and USS Friedrich Guggenberger (U-81)

[@noxiplays]

"the cloaking device has never been used anywhere else. he he he. moving on! nothing to see here!" Yeah nothing to see here since its a cloaking device DUH xD

[@dswynne]

My favorite? The Defiant class, thanks to it having, you guess it, "ablative armor". Also, if you guys at Trek Central haven't done so, can you take a look at the ships from STO and FASA? There is actually a monitoring ship in the FASA series that is nothing more than a sphere. Not kidding. A SPHERE. Now THAT is a radical design for a Starfleet ship.

[@jamesbeach7405]

Some of those FASA designs made it into Starfleet Command 1 and 2 which were really good games with great looking ships.

[@hatias6407]

Hang on. I heard him say “stupid vinculum”… is our narrator here a member of the sabbat?

[@kirk001]

Steamrunner is near and dear to my heart. My first encounter with the ship was from the Star Trek RTS game (can't remember the official name), and yes, it's a giant torpedo launcher with warp drive. If I recall correctly, in the game, they launched poleron torpedoes which were longer range than any other weapon, and had a larger area of effect damage than other weapons. If you wanted to rain long range massive destruction on a target, it was the ship to use. Ahh fond memories.

[@chrisdufresne9359]

You speak of Star Trek Armada 1 and 2

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly fabulously well done and very well nicely informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the "Borg Busters-Starfleet's Anti-Borg War Ships!"; A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.

[@terryrose4804]

The narrator is so much fun! A "Frasier Crane" quality and also similar to the series of videos that tell us "This is how animals/bugs/etc. do." This is how starships do. (No, they aren't alive, Jimmy! This isn't "Cars.") Zefrank1. "The Truth About..."

[@randybentley2633]

Out of all of this batch of Borg Busters, I'd have to go with the Akira class. The Defiant and Sabre classes are both built to task. The Norway class looks incomplete with that large section missing. If they'd, later on, introduced mission-specific pods then it might not look so ungainly. I guess we'll never know with its loss. The Steamrunner class, at least in my opinion, suffers from the decision to make the secondary hull ventral rather than dorsal. It's a small change that greatly alters the whole dynamic of the design, much like the original intention to use the original Constitution model inverted before that was thankfully changed.

[@davidford3115]

Don't forget that the Reliant was supposed to have the rollbar UNDER the hull with the naccelles above. A mix-up resulted in what turned out to be a great way to differentiate the two hull designs in Wrath of Khan.

[@randybentley2633]

@@davidford3115 Yep, but what we got in TWoK was a happy accident but conversely the decision to change the Steamrunner in FC was deliberate.

[@brentbarr498]

One more has been added to the fold as a follower... Thank you for making these!! :)

[@TrekCentral]

❤️🖖 Thanks Brent! - Jack

[@MultiMagnis]

during the dominion war there were only 3 soverign ships made thus they were very important to 1. keep out of a trap and where close to starfleet heavy assets to defend

[@leszekwolkowski9856]

I am writing my doctorial thesis specifically on this topic. Fascinating and a much misunderstood subject, live long and prosper!

[@barrydevlinred]

Omg this narration about the defiant is the best thing I've ever heard you are awesome mate well done

[@bobdobalina2931]

You're easily pleased Barry.

[@waltermcgarvin8001]

The idea that the Federation sent their standard Starships against the Borg at Wolf 359 without dropping off all of the non essential personnel is crazy!

[@fangslore9988]

the Sovereign class was built specifically with combating the borg in mind, however the sovereign class was specifically kept out of the dominion war because they were the latest ships in the fleet and ultimately kept in reserve idiotically by starfleet brass and relegated them to patrol duties within star fleet's core worlds such as Earth, Vulcan and Andoria. apparently starfleet wanted to keep their strongest ships within these systems however from star trek nemisis or one of the other ones involving the enterprise E the sovereign class did see some light combat on these patrols, and since none were confirmed destroyed it seems they were more then a match for dominion ships. the movies have been proven canonical by star trek lower decks quote about the California class "don't go refitting the ship, i dont want it coming out all sovereign-y" which means the movies are canon if anyone wants to try to dispute it in universe: idiot admirals decided to keep their most powerful ships as security details for the capital worlds of the federation out of universe: Sovereign class wasn't designed yet and was kept to the movies to avoid confusion

[@Zhortac]

Yeah, them admirals keeping those ships back to protect the core worlds, helped alot when the Breen leveled San Fransisco lol

[@fangslore9988]

@@Zhortac yeah were were they having a tea break over vulcan?

[@DanielBrown-sn9op]

One Sovvy could have f****d up the Breens attack on Earth, but SF foolishly didnt use them in the big battles. The Romulan D'Deridexes were too slow and clumsy to run down and engage the Dominion and Breen mother ships. Sovereigns could have made it very hard on the Jem Hadar by chasing them down, freeing the Romulans to take long range shots at the Dominion fleet. # SF brass wet their pants.

[@fangslore9988]

@@DanielBrown-sn9op this is true, but star fleet's command kept the sovereigns out of the war, and why they made that kind of tactical choice is idiotic, its like starfleet didnt want to risk their most advanced ships in a war

[@davidford3115]

@@DanielBrown-sn9op The point of the D'Ds is that they strike from ambush. Think submarine warfare. That is the Romulan way: strike from the shadows and then retreat back into darkness. Speed isn't a factor with those tactics.

[@jackchoukaier8764]

5:57 forgot plot armour lmao

[@keonisan]

I subbed because you've voiced an opinion I've had for years about the "shoot me here" nacelles. They should have had an entire fleet of defiants against the dominion.

[@scottsadler4215]

agreed... 50-60 defiant class ships would have made the cardasians and founders squeeeeeeel like stuck pigs, for sure!

[@ramsoncole4605]

I forget what novel it was, but it's cannon that the 'planet eaters' from STTOS were designed by an ancient race to fight the Borg.

[@davidford3115]

Books are not considered canon. Never have been.

[@spacecitizen6756]

I hate that Picard ruined the mystery of the Borg. That was what made them so scary.

[@pantherpopel551]

Blaming Picard for that after the shtshow, that was Voyager, is hillarious.

[@spacecitizen6756]

@@pantherpopel551 Iol only true Trekkie’s hate the shows they love 😂 voyager had some pretty stupid episodes. Like all the Paris episodes. What a freak 😎

[@pantherpopel551]

@@spacecitizen6756 No, but srsly, the absolute castration they did to the Borgs absolute powe and scariness in Voyager just to hype up the heroship and the protags was ridiculous. They became the villain of the week for a while.

[@spacecitizen6756]

@@pantherpopel551 I really enjoyed the kremlin time ship, year of hell episode. That’s the kind of level story writing I am hoping from stranger new worlds.

[@Timeward76]

I feel like the federation's warfleet proves that humanity being so laser-focused on exploration for so long was almost a mercy. When the time came for starfleet to build dedicated warships, they gave *everyone* a run for their money.

[@Just-a-guy926]

How about the assimilated La Serena at the end of Picard Season 2.

[@MrTravel4nutin]

That phased cloak technology would have become the ultimate Borg buster. No way to adapt.

[@matthewjay660]

I'll be on the Akira-Class U.S.S. Thunder Child. Follow me. We go in harm's way. Allons-y!

[@mrsenstitz]

I absolutely. ,utely ,loved this thanks

[@BILLEON2005]

The Defiant was essentially the Fighter Jet of the Star Trek universe! My interpretation was its maneuverability was its deadliest aspect!

[@alessandrocava4701]

I can't wait till they make a ship which is just like 5 defiants welded together.

[@jimmiedmc1]

Could you imagine the deffiant with a spore drive along with quantom phase torpedoes in theory they could drop one in the core of every Borg vessel like throwing a grenade directly inside of a tank

[@A7XBradyMCS]

I laughed at the chuck Norris reference. Didn't expect that. Love it.

[@JBobRoony]

uss prometheus anyone ?

[@benrunsacross2935]

It has always struck me how Star Trek and other properties have such tiny numbers when they access to vast resources. You would expect millions of ships not dozens.

[@megadk93]

Starfleet used to run thousands, if not ten thousand of ships simultaneously even before the threat of Borg and Dominion was known. Just look at the serial numbers, when the Voyager was launched, Starfleet had build 74.000 ships in little more than 200 years, and as some serial numers are used multiply, it could even amount up to 80.000. This roughly 350 ships per year, with less ships at the beginning. Kirks Enterprise was starfleet ship number 1701, 70 years after the founding of the Federation (but that doesn't mean Starfleet had only 1701 ships in these years. Maybe they used ships of the old planetary navies of the alliead races, so they didn't have to built a massive amount of ships in the first years). So I estimate that at the age of TNG, Starfleet is launching at least 700 new ships per year (!!!). That makes it obvious why the Federation was more than capable of defeating the dominion. They only had to change from an exploration fleet to a wartime fleet, which explains the setbacks in the early stages of the war. But numbers of ships were never a problem for the Federation, it was more about equipment and personell.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Yeah a few things that bothered me is... NOT only are their numbers small. With their teleporting, and replicating tech alone they should be pumping out ships. Also as far as their larger ships go? They've got a RIDICULOUS amount of interior space that isn't used. Someone did the math on it, and helped you visualize it. Basically the ships are needlessly big, and super empty. Either they should increase the crew size or state why they are so big. (Could be machinery for all I care.) Also there is no way in hell the human race would not be building dedicated war ships. Even if it were truly just for defensive purposes. At least defending their sectors of space, and not going out to explore like the Galaxy class. It would not be logical to take the chance. Also it is against human nature. I don't care what anyone says. Warships are awesome. If I were the Emperor of Mankind I would be building them just to build them, and pray I would never need to use them. (I'd be making a battleship with six 42" guns, as that is the answer for everything.)

[@benrunsacross2935]

@@dianapennepacker6854 yeah as I’ve grown older I haven’t stopped enjoying Star Trek but I do see it as more fantastical and less SciFi. That’s ok within its own setting provided it stays consistent with it. New trek popped the ‘utopian’ bubble and that really makes all the other inconsistencies and contradictions stand out.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

@@benrunsacross2935 That is a good point on in universe. Are any of the new treks decent? I tried watching Picard. Couldn't get past the first episode honestly. There is what... Two ongoing now? A third coming out? I tried watching a random episode of Discovery. Didn't like the cast. Oh speaking of war. The soldiers with their rifle phasers or whatever were awesome. I want to see some Exoskeletons, and Terminators from 40k using teleporting tech to blink in and out behind Borg to kill them. Trek just needs exoskeletons period. Forgot what series those soldiers popped in. The USS Vengence was cool too... The design anyway. The name, and everything was NOT Trek at all. Vengeance is just a name for "This ship is for offensive purposes only. I'm the bad guy". Anyway the Defiant is my favorite Trek ship. Possibly top 3 favorite sci fi ships of all time. Sort of weird they didn't make more as they were so effective. Or why the Federation never used cloaking devices. (I think it was a treaty). Cloaking devices on a science ship would be a good idea for defensive purposes, and for not being seen by pre warp civilizations.

[@DirtyDruid]

I subscribed when you said, "The most important member of starfleet ever, Miles Edward O'Brien"

[@alanmike6883]

As everyone nicknames it. The defiant, siskos pip hand

[@MrSteppenwolf0]

The Akira, Norway, and Steamrunner need a show of their own.

[@scottbraun2457]

The DEFIANT & SOVEREIGN, are both among my favorites too-! So keep right on rambling on about them.

[@kananisha]

The Sovereign class. Don't tell Starfleet but she's basically an Iowa class Battleship lol

[@HITMANPegas]

This just makes me want to play Star Trek Armada.