Trekyards EP246 - Bortasqu War Cruiser (STO)

[@ambassador-classenjoyer6239]

"They haven't gotten bigger than the D'deridex." Advanced warbird line: *sweats*

[@zippyzion25]

The three strips of light are the slipstream drive. It's pretty clearly a variation of the system that was on the Dauntless. The Klingons in STO have quantum slipstream as well.

[@TheZEFilms]

Pleasure as always guys!

[@Lokiawa]

ZEFilms Productions I'm glad your universes clash for collaborations! 😁

[@laviliterthefirst]

It's pronounced Bort-tis-Que (the Que is pronounced like the Q race). It's name sake is the flag ship of the Kdf with lady Grilka's daughter (worfs step daughter) as captain. It's an amazing ship in game.

[@Digby2583]

Glad you mentioned it. It was driving me crazy lol.

[@Graytail]

Ugh, really makes you wonder if they bother looking into the ships sometimes

[@Jack_Stafford]

Mojokilljoy ricklesmits It is explained at the beginning of every mission briefing... they intentionally bring up a ship for first impressions and use their existing knowledge about ships in general to analyse and theorise about them in a casual exploratory manner. Just coming on and quoting a bunch of Statistics for a half hour could be very dry. Sometimes one will know a little bit about it and the other will know nothing or vice versa. I've never seen this ship before so to me I feel like I'm seeing it with friends for the first time and talking about what it could be or do. As it also stated every time on Mission briefings if you do know something put it in the comments which contributes to the complete episode about it to be made later. So I appreciate the post about the pronunciation; it sounds very Klingon and therefore that's sure to become part of a future episode. I'm always happy to see new and interesting designs from throughout the Trek universe and Beyond. These first impressions are fun to explore and give us a chance to contribute when we can!

[@valuesubtracted]

No, they don't look into the ships before a Mission Briefing...that's the EXPLICIT point of them. And as I recall, the correct pronunciation of the ship class is made clear in maybe one mission in the game. Before that, I always thought it was pronounced they way they did it in this episode.

[@Digby2583]

Thats the point. They also rely on the comments for the information. Dale Stafford said it best though. Regards not knowing the ships correct pronunciation, it is an STO ship and they have said many times they dont get to play the game much so they are not aware of all the ships. Also ever tried read a Klingon word without hearing it spoken? They are rarely pronunced how they're spelt lol

[@sirbobbyuk]

14:41 i agree with Captain Foley, having that many windows on the warp nacelles. i would only put a few. i would reduce the number on the rear end as well. Klingon ship are built on defensive armer, not comfort.

[@athrunzala6919]

It's looking more like the Hyperion from Starcraft to me, especially the shot at 20:10 and 21:35

[@ballroomscott]

Oh! They should do an episode on the Terran Battlecruiser. Picard maneuver would be the perfect counter to the Yamato Cannon!

[@laughingalex7563]

@@ballroomscott Until a science vessel fires an emp into the area. :D

[@MichaelConfalone]

Victory is Life is incredible, was so happy to see an STO video pop up!

[@tscream80]

Probably already been told this, but here I go anyway. ;) The Bortasqu' is listed as a Dreadnought Battlecruiser; it's not a carrier, even though it does have a Bird-of-Prey support craft. "War Cruiser" simply denotes the variant, with War being more engineering focused. It has has a Command variant, which is science focused, and Tactical, which is exactly what it says on the tin. The War variant is the one that comes with the HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey, though it can carry the Autocannon (seen @ 21:34) and Subspace Snare that come on the other two.

[@Lokiawa]

One thing I noticed no one else has yet to mention as of this post...it's design is almost similar to the Shockwave (suicide) ship that the Klingons have in Armada, and looking at it from the side it looks like it's the Danube/Runabout shuttles.

[@kevinpresley3136]

The Bortasqu was built for one reason and one reason only:to destroy all enemies of the Klingon Empire.Long live the Empire!

[@samronin1141]

In game the Oddysey and Bortas were released at the same time. You had a little mission which saw them actually face off during a test run as part of the games 2nd Anniversary. The Bortasqu variants and T5 Odyssey were later released for purchase.

[@samronin1141]

Half the confusion with the names are that these are the faction Flagships and subdivided into Engineering, Tactical and Science variants. Denoted with the added name aspects like War Cruiser. In game they were one of the first Tier 5 ships to come with such variants which of course lead to those of us completionists to want to own all 3 forms. And was following on into the newer Tier 6 versions as well. And it "was" the biggest ship. Supplanted by the recent Temporal Dreadnoughts which included a Klingon counterpart to the Enterprise J Universe class. So Klingons have a roughly 2 mile long ship now.

[@Jack_Stafford]

Thank you to ZEFILMS for some great views of the ship! I find it elegant although imposing at the same time. I don't mind the windows on the engines as the ship is so massive that there would be plenty of need and room for support functions and in Klingon psychology it would make sense to put engineers in the engineering sections closest to their work without a lot of regard to their safety. With each engine being the size of the Voyager it makes sense that every square metre wouldn't be full of engine parts. So just the sheer mass of the ship means there's going to be lots of space within the housing for mere humanoids to sleep in bunks and traverse narrow walkways. Also there's always the possibility of Klingon slave labour although I doubt they get a window bunk. ;) Also I can see that the armour does somewhat look like a escape pods but due to the scale I really think this is heavy plated armour instead. And the yellow bars near the front I think we can safely say that is a new deflection system. The position is correct and are no windows in front of it which all speaks to a clear line of sight for the powerful deflector system. Great episode guys; I look forward to more STO Ships coming down the line!

[@LunarPogo]

WOW ! ! ! I would not want to be on the business end of this BEAST ! ! ! I missed out on a ton of STO :( But my life is what it is. I do love my Trek and Wars equally

[@adamlytle2615]

Actually quite like that Bird of Prey design. Glad it finally got proper nacelles. And the skeletal wings are cool. Like the original wings needed to be solid for whatever help they were in atmospheric flight but now with technological advancement they really don't need them to be truly "wing like" - they're basically weapons mounts, I guess.

[@Tuberuser187]

A spoiler free STO Storyline is basically Klingons and Federation where hostile but not in open conflict at that point, some fishy events created a ceasefire as they investigated. Bortasqu was launched and in service, the Odyssey class Enterprise was in secretive shakedowns and it made its debut fighting side by side with the Bortasqu.

[@john_mystery]

Looks like the battle cruiser for Star Craft from the initial angle shown to us.

[@Tar-Numendil]

I've been trying to get a length for this ship for years, that picture showing it next to the Odyssey class really helps.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

i love how you can see the Dominion Battleship influence.

[@Mephilis78]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Cryptic guys had the Dominion War in mind when they designed the 2409 ships. This is one of the early Cryptic originals too, so none of the Iconian, Undine, Hurq, etc influences.

[@raybrown6739]

Completely agree, why are there windows on the nacelles??

[@SIG442]

Side picture reminds me of the Denube class shuttle.

[@infiniteflame2374]

I am with CPT Foley on this the windows on the nacelles does not make much sense, especially given how many there are. Otherwise awesome ship great work as always guys!

[@laviliterthefirst]

Also, you should take a look at the whole Bort pack's both tiers because the new ones are freaking amazing...they fix the kind of squat neck of the Bort.

[@josephllivingston1378]

The "handlebars" could be the wings of a commander's Personal Shuttle Craft. Launches Aft.

[@captainspire9094]

This is the ship my KDF characters want. It may not be the best ship, but its the one I just love to look at. There is also the Bortas and this version. It reminded me of the Battlecruiser from Starcraft.

[@timothypage252]

Anyone else feel that the "glowy bits" are like signs saying "SHOOT HERE"?

[@josephllivingston1378]

Are those phaser strips just aft of the nose section, between deck windows?

[@donaldhill3823]

Handle bars could be a forward sensor array.

[@samronin1141]

Star Trek Online uses different weapon systems so you get Cannons, Beam Banks and Beam Array strips. So the models generally will have a visual mixture of each. So yes the strips look very Federation Phaser array style, but are Disruptor or other energy weapon type. You can technically use any energy weapon you wish. Phaser, Disruptor, Plasma, Tetryon and Polarons.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Plasma weapons should be called “plasers.” Likewise: “tetryaser” and “polaraser.” All weapons need “aser” on the end. 🤪 Doh! I almost forgot “disruptaser.”

[@randybentley2633]

Having not see this ship I action I have say that rectangular red emitter section at the bow looks like it would be perfect for spinal mounted disruptor lance.

[@Darth_Nycta_13]

I think it is a spinal pulse cannon essentially dual heavy cannon on steroids.

[@leebaker7344]

yes thats a bird of prey, there is a consul that comes with the ship that launches a bird of prey that fights with you for a bit

[@sirbobbyuk]

defence wise her weak spot is her side.... get in close and you could target the warp engine. the only weapon that i would be worried about is the phaser strip

[@0SgtRoadkill0]

don't forget you can change the windows in the customization and you can make them much more sparse

[@benjaminrich9063]

The Odyssey/Bortas'qu scaling is off in that one shot. The Oddy is somewhat longer than the Bortas lines. Yes, it only has the one BoP, like the Oddys have the Calypso corvette/diplomatic craft. The forward array is a Galaxy-X grade disruptor autocannon. Neither of your positions you proposed is the bridge, the bridge is actually up next to the BoP dock, recessed into the armor with massive holographic screens for 'windows'.

[@EmpyreanFrost]

That is the HoH'SuS class Bird of Prey at the Back.

[@valuesubtracted]

It's worth adding that this is a specialized class of BoP, designed specifically to integrate with the Bortasque'. It's the Klingon equivalent of the Aquarius escort which docks with the Odyssey class.

[@EmpyreanFrost]

And yo ucan get it as a seperate ship too 8)

[@valuesubtracted]

Right...I just wanted to clarify why its design is kind of funky - it's designed to fold up and dock with the larger ship.

[@josephllivingston1378]

Is the "Bird of Prey" docked on the top aft equipped with an ablative armor or is the bridge module tucked under armor plating? "Multi-faceted trapezoidal shape".

[@simonwinn8757]

Could the handlebar on the front be like the Negh'var's front fins, communications spires.

[@gallendugall8913]

Cool. I prefer the Mogh which has a similar look, but is less bulky. Looking forward to see what else you do from the game.

[@naomy1701]

its called Bortas-Q, theres voiced lines of it in the Dyson arc of STO

[@UFO721]

And it’s a refit to the Bortas.

[@UFO721]

Add the red light aren’t torpedo bays they are sub canon components for the auto cannon.

[@arcfuryt1843]

Didn't the klingon's use slaves for the engine rooms? might explain the dangerous deck locations.

[@mastermonarch]

Arcfury T not slaves but civilian laborers from lesser houses

[@sirbobbyuk]

22;57, thinking about it, what ive seen in discovery, not all bridges are on top.

[@davidvondoom2853]

On of my favourite ships from STO. It looks like an armoured dragon! I think all Klingon ships should go with a dragon-like design and leave bird-like designs to the Romulans.

[@sirbobbyuk]

That a trouser wetter type ship. I would have a problem tackling this ship......what ship would you choose to battle against this thing?

[@robertwlester]

very nice ship, great top view

[@keirfarnum6811]

I imagine if there are warp cores inside the nacelles, if the nacelles get broken off the ship or the main part of the ship is destroyed, they could pack personnel into the nacelles and use them as warp capable life boats. Just detach each nacelle, power up and take off. An interesting emergency possibility that they could serve as ships in themselves if necessary.

[@jaysus620]

There is a precedent for Klingons using phasers. The K'Tingas in 'Way of the Warrior' fired phasers (from the torpedo bay, no less) in the attack on DS9.

[@keirfarnum6811]

They must have phaser cannons that rotate into place when not firing torps. Although it seems foolish to put multiple weapons in one place where they can get destroyed simultaneously.

[@Ebeneezergoode1]

If you flipped the bottom of a d'deridex and had it flush with the top wing it's still vast compared to everything else. The length and height of the Bortas/Bortasqu mean an enormous internal volume compared to the sovereign etc. It'd be interesting to see scale models used to calculate displacement. Aside from anything else I suspect the Miranda would be a lot closer to the Connie than is assumed.

[@timothypage252]

The Defiant never had nacelles at all; the entirety of the warp drive assembly was surrounded by manned space.

[@lordlycius]

You know I play STO alot (got alot of characters on it), but this is the first time that I've thought about the actual size of that Captains launch on the Bortasqu, and "D@mn it is huge!" If you figure that the 'dorsal areas Fold over hatch doors' that lock the launch down in place in the rear Docking area, might actually be only a little bit longer then the full length of the actual hidden forward section of the launch(yacht) that is actually covered up by them (and stays hidden beneath them) then do a quick combined measuring out of both the hatch doors, and the visible section of the launches actual frame, and then compare it to the Sovereign class on the (top view) size comparison pic "then that sucker must be somewhere between 1/3 to just under 3/5's the length of the Sovereign Class, depending on how much of the actual length is really covered up by the dorsal docking areas fold-over hatch doors...." (0_O)' Wow! Dat be a Huge aux ship!! Suckers more like an Auxillery Battle Cruiser then a launch!!! (^w^) LMAOoo !!!

[@doczolfer3523]

What if the warp coils could come off? becoming their own little ships, it would explain the windows on them.

[@M33f3r]

The small ship on this is their answer to ths Aquarius auxiliary craft on the odesy

[@jamesnelson5741]

I use the T6 Martok version of this ship and it is a complete monster.

[@JeffTheBunnySlayer]

7:40 Oh, how I long for the days when we could say design was consistent through Star Trek....

[@jimc7022]

I think it would be better with under slung warp engines (like the D-7) so the sides of the warp engines have line of sight to each other. I know many people ignore “the rules” for ship design but I like when it is follow when possible.

[@bbrockRailFan]

I think it was in response the devastation on the Iconian War. its a bad ass ship.

[@braonainerle3010]

From the side it reminds me of a Runabout...

[@draticusmaximus6289]

I enjoy this ship analysis. My question is- why do Klingons suddenly put an abundance of windows in their ships? The D7, Katinga, Raptors, etc- no many windows. Suddenly in 2409 they put windows in warp nacelles.

[@mickeyholding7970]

Reminds me of a beefed up Neg Vahr

[@robinvan1983]

it looks like the Behemoth-class battlecruiser from starcraft

[@majordakka5743]

robinvan1983 Which is why it's my favorite Klingon ship, even though it's not main canon

[@freagarthach4228]

Yep, my thought were exactly the same. Someone either intentionally or not made it similar to that.

[@90lancaster]

It also reminded me of something the Asgard from Stargate SG1 might have built too. It's very hammer shaped. heck if I was going to name it's type I might even call it a Battle Axe or War Axe or Battle Hammer or something like that (in English) Do we know what the name Translates into ?

[@majordakka5743]

The Asgard Bilskirnir and O'Neill class ships. Thor's personal Bilskirnir was named the Biliskner which makes sense since both refer to Thor's hall/home in Old Norse mythology

[@TalesOfWar]

It has a kind of Lantean/Ancient from Stargate vibe from the side view.

[@christophermills7693]

would the Borttisque be that big without the compliment of bird of preys?

[@anwaraisling]

This thing looks like the Terran Battle Cruiser in StarCraft.

[@S1nwar]

looks exactly like the Tal'darim version of a Terran battlecruiser

[@supermassivewayne]

You guys mentioned that this ship would be slow to turn. That would be true in atmospheric conditions. In the vacuum of space, zero gravity would make mass irrelevant. A fighter would be as agile as a frigate

[@Lokiawa]

Wayne Lynch Albeit true about relativity but in games there's always a forced set speed and turn ratio for ships especially in Trek...

[@StillSaber]

this ship reminds me of the ship the Terrans used in Starcraft

[@sirbobbyuk]

didnt the warp nacelle have green glow, rather than red?

[@sirbobbyuk]

What is the crew compliment on this ship?

[@shinjofox]

I am working towards one. I need t6 ships for all my characters. The question is which of the three versions.

[@90lancaster]

It's a bit like the Saberclass - when I see that is side view I always go Ewww. This one I go Eh ? It looks almost imperial in style with the drop down front some what like the Eclipe from Star Wars Comics. (Speaking of which that would be a good one for a full episode one day)

[@hoodoowilliams5187]

You guys should review the Khitomer class from Star Trek online...

[@Odinskobiej]

The side view looks harogin

[@Darth_Nycta_13]

funny how now there are T6 versions of this ship (gorkon,martok and kahless class) very powerful ship.

[@joshmolepske3232]

I just watched your centaur vid before this and I was wondering if you guys have done a Yeager type or not but if not could you

[@power543]

not yet :)

[@jaredchildress6724]

You guys should do the sto version of the yes discovery

[@bbrockRailFan]

Also due to the alliance the Kilngons have adopted allot of Star Fleet Tech

[@Ramschat]

To me, it looks like it has a lot of dominion elements (especially from the battleship)

[@ikmalmaharon449]

Weirdly, I was thinking that at this size, it would have more broadside weapons, as it will have a bigger firing arch.. Also, I agree that they went overboard with the windows.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

DESIGNED TO RAM A BORG CUBE AND NOT EVEN STOP.

[@UFO721]

To answer your answer yes the Bortas was suppose to rival the Odyssey.

[@unknown9126]

Can you guys do the T6 version of the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought from ST Online?

[@josephllivingston1378]

Did Stewart say Klingon Captain? If this is a war cruiser, then it would be commanded by a General. If he was referring to Captain of the ship, then it is ambiguous.

[@sirbobbyuk]

21;49, firing of the weapons, defo would not want to be view those torpedoes coming toward me.

[@krisguntner4805]

I would love to see a refit done to the remaining d'deridex ships,many were destroyed during the dominion war apparently,where the interior is filled up and becomes a massive insanely powerful ship,the thick frame should be able to handle it with no problem. Perhaps so heavy that they can't create a cloaking device advanced enough to hide the gravitational field it generates so it no longer uses one. Can you imagine something like that coming at a captain........yikes! It could give the borg a run for their money!

[@JEDAI501ST]

Paint it gray and from the side it looks like a runabout.

[@sirbobbyuk]

15:51, why is the secondary ward nacelle deployed, top of the ship, should they not be integrated into the ship when not in use?

[@jeffreygriffin1106]

It reminds of a Starcraft 2 battlecruiser

[@Rrknight2010]

you guys should do an episode on STO bridges.

[@nukedathlonman]

Yea, STO is def moving towards larger ships these days. But that just makes it all the more fun to pull out a tiny pilot ship and buzz around those large slow moving bricks. I like the design, it's just mean and bad ash looking enough for my tastes. But then again, my personal preference is all iterations of the Vesta - not too big, not too small, and packs a good amount of bang. The shape reminds me of an exotic Italian Chriscraft speed boats. Wait, sorry, going waaaay off topic... LOL I know when you showed it up against the D'deridex I thought it would have been longer. Against the Oddy, my jaw hit the ground - it's so much shorter then I thought it would be. Yea, the windows on the nacelles is totally weird - I thought due to radiation concerns you want to keep personnel away from those area's, esp at warp (I always figured the nacelle room would be clear of personal when the ship was at warp or was heavily shielded to protect personal with strict limits on how long people could be in the nacelle room). LOL, love the idea of having a yuge number of warp cores and giving then escape pods, err, ejection ports on the bottom of the nacelles. The yellow bit's I thought would be a 10-forward like bar - but with Klingon style. Cryptic says they are looking for a new partner on 3D printing ships, let's keep our fingers crossed (I have a couple I'd like to have).

[@valuesubtracted]

The biggest STO ships are definitely getting bigger, but they release plenty of smaller/average-sized ships, too.

[@nukedathlonman]

Very true.

[@Mellowcanuck33]

"Paulie might have moved slow...but it was only because Paulie didn't have to move for anybody." Look at the deck thickness. Each deck has two feet of solid Whatever-anium between each other?

[@christopherdalan8124]

I know they are for scale, but it has way too many windows for my taste. Looks like a Klingon public housing.

[@90lancaster]

Don't star a drinking game for each time Samuel says "Guys" it might prove fatal.

[@Jack_Stafford]

"KnowWhatIMean"? It's just funny, when you're getting used to someone and their figures of speech. I certainly am guilty of calling everyone "guys"! I guess it's better than blokes or dudes? LOL

[@evilwarcow]

I own it myself, and I don't have Klingon Birds of Prey to launch. IT's just a regular ship

[@jonathansharp4245]

No doubt you've figured it out, but the T5 version comes with a module that allows you to launch the bird of prey, though it's performance is very underwhelming

[@DragonHEF01]

You guys Need to play STO more often: Klingon's/Romulan Tal Shiar & Imperial Navy's arrays are disruptors and Romulan Republic is plasma. Simple right? Other than that, Keep up the good work.

[@widde4113]

Was thinking the same. Also, I'd say phaser is just the human/federation name of the disruptor (think they both use nadion radiation to do things to make it shoot...?). Whereas the federation prefer to control the energy output for science and research reasons, the higher phaser settings have a disruption "kill/destroy" effect (lower being stun, heat etc.), and disruptors having one (?) effect: kill/destroy. Also the reason fed kinda skipped pulse weapons since it's harder to control the energy output the same way, until they introduced more combat oriented ships. May all be fan-fic, can't seem to find it again...

[@enterprise-h312]

7:55 Since I recently brought this up, I do have to ask. How exactly does the lineage of the Andorian and Tellarite fleets translate into modern Starfleet? 14:50 Given how the nacelles on the original Enterprise had empty space between them because Matt Jefferies figured that they had dangerous radiation coming off of them these engineering compartments feel as though they would exactly the opposite of how they should be placed. The way that they are placed the most radiation is closest to the actual ship, whereas I would place them at the back. That way not only would no living sections be affected by delta radiation, you could also quickly jettison them should they overload.

[@Zorro9129]

Klingons have never heard of any ship type bigger than a cruiser.

[@thribs]

Hopefully one day Eaglemoss will do them. They're already running out of Fed ships there.

[@keirfarnum6811]

“Kree Ja’faa!” Doh! Wrong franchise! Sorry. “Kap’laa!”

[@sirbobbyuk]

the side view, god its big, against a sovereign, you would be lucky to get back a fed starship. I think it depend on captain and crew.

[@derpytwerpgameryt4955]

why did i think final was gonna be the last ep

[@martinbaxter6414]

I'm not happy with the size. I wanted big. Pants-crapping big, even to a Romulan Captain commanding a D'deridex. And, looking at that profile... resembles a Danube-class runabout. *And* the three-quarter underside view strikes me similar to a Voth City Ship.

[@dragnridr05]

To be honest, you guys need to play these ships in game before you put them on the mission briefing. It is really showing a lack of knowledge of these ships. Otherwise, good work. Also, the bridge is more located higher on the neck farther back around the point inbetween the bussard collectors. Also known as the Khaless Bridge.