Trekyards EP331 - USS Edison (Disc) (First Look)

[@WaybackTECH]

Roomba class is what this should have been called.

[@keirfarnum6811]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Mat0llig]

The B-52 will be flying for 100 years by the time it is retired. Also, the modern Boeing 777 looks surprisingly a lot like a Boeing 737, which itself came out in 1968, (and they are STILL being manufactured, 50 years later!) It's completely within the realm of possibility that things like spaceframes and nacelles would look almost identical to ships of the same class from 50 years prior, albeit with modern enhancements and upgrades: ie better coils, injectors, computers, and defense systems.

[@watcherzero5256]

You can also build a car in between 2 days and 2 weeks depending on production method, a starship will be under construction for 2-3 years and will have several years of long lead time components ordered before construction begins taking another few years. All in all from blueprint to completion it could take 8 years to build a starship.

[@Mat0llig]

Exactly. For example, the Virginia-Class submarine was initiated in February 1991, and were the first US Navy warships designed with the help of computer-aided design (CAD) and visualization technology. By 2007 approximately 35 million labor hours were spent on designing the Virginia class. Around 9 million labor hours are required to construct a single Virginia-class submarine. The Virginia class is only 34-feet wide and 377-feet long... the size of a warp nacelle. Imagine the engineering and construction required for a full-sized starship!

[@johnthemachine]

the AIRBUS 777???? dude you got me rotfl.

[@Mat0llig]

Fixed. Sorry, commenting before my morning coffee is rough :P

[@SuperGamefreak18]

and I just remembered something isnt the flat shell of the tos ships the fact that they used to paint the ships with a protective coating

[@kamenriderblade2099]

The thing about Military Designs is that they don't change that much on the "Surface" of the vessel. Lots of changes are internally or in materials. Look at the B-52, on the outside it looks the same after 60+ years, but internally, it's quite a different beast. The same with many other Aircraft in the US Military.

[@kamenriderblade2099]

Captain Foley, Commander Cockins; I used your TREKYARDS code at EagleMoss the other night. Had to buy a few of those sweet Starship models.

[@nmh83]

Hmmm.. it’s the Millennium Falcon in reverse!

[@john091077]

The Noclaf Muinnellim.

[@russellharrell2747]

It’s such an obvious design ripoff, especially given the Solo movie’s version

[@kesselrunner]

Hoover class. Why am I getting Spaceballs flashbacks?

[@PsychoStreak]

So glad that's where you started off this video guys. First time we glimpsed it, I and a few friends were like, "wow, they snuck the Faclon in. Again. Only now it has nacelles." Barring some amazing reveal on the bottom like a secondary hull, deflector dish or something, it's really not that interesting, save as a shuttle carrier. The aztecing is excessive on this one, much like the rest of the ships in Discovery. You'd think by then they'd have more consistency in the panels they use on these ships. The inverted bevel on the saucer is Excelsior like, but also NX like, so I can let that slide. But yeah, it's just the Falcon with nacelles. Let's see what's on the bottom, then blow it up in spectacular fashion.

[@mikep1592]

Personally, I like this ship. Simple and yet functional. As always, please continue making it so.

[@jameswg13]

Mike P have you seen the article with more views of this ship you will like it even more

[@mikep1592]

No, do you have the link?

[@jameswg13]

Mike P no but one of the comments on this video does

[@noluckst2]

13:50 And here's one of my main gripes about this part of the discussion show. You guys are great, you really know your stuff, you're passionate. I've been watching for over two years now and there hasn't been a single episode I haven't enjoyed. But I just get the impression that sometimes what you're saying is simply just filler. This is one of those times. Samuel's got a point in saying a starship is bound to be more advanced than a boat or a car, of course it is. But as Stuart pointed out, real world battleships (and vehicles) can be incredibly complex pieces of technology. It just seems slightly baseless to disregard real world trends (like design styles) in terms of tech when discussing a fictional ship, of which the look is, ultimately, governed by a studio brief, artistic license, CG department etc...Again, you say it in every episode, you're theorising, and that's great, I enjoy tuning in, but it just occasionally feels like what's being said are just offhand remarks. Anyway, please don't take this as a slight. This was just something I've had at the back of my mind for a while. You guys do brilliant stuff on this channel and I wish you all the best for the future.

[@BigBennKlingon]

Discovery is really heavy-handed with the aztecing. It was novel in the Enterprise series, but now it's starting to feel really dull. It clutters and obscures the lines of ships and gives them a feel of being unnecessarily dirty and old.

[@marleymcleay9228]

The Aztecing is quite heavy.

[@j-2-532]

A'la the JJ fleet (2009). I suspect for 2009 they wanted the Enterprise to look advanced compared to the fleet.

[@davidhernandez9985]

Again gentleman the 24th.new Nebula-class starship the USS Kangal!

[@RotalHenricsson]

Soooo... take a Miranda class, remove the Rollbar, replace the nacelles with Saber-class nacelles and, for good measure, smooth out the Saucer to make it look a bit more Nebula-y. You get this thing. I don't love it but it'd fit right into the TNG-era fleet.

[@jacobvaughn9276]

MIRAANNDDAAA.... Ish...

[@jasonbrookhart2050]

Early version on the Miranda Class it looks to me.

[@acescher9011]

Eh it is an interesting design, but still just goes to show you that the producers only wanted flashy instead of functional.

[@SJgolf891]

What isn't functional about it?

[@AlexVonT]

Is it terribly sad to anyone else that the concept drawing looks a thousand times better than the on screen model... who decides that star trek ships need *more* aztec-ing....

[@lesserlogic9977]

An escort "carrier" is a great idea, which would working with being a repair ship.

[@splicetape9435]

The NCC-1031 of Discovery is actually a reference to the space shuttle Discovery which has a registration of OV-103.

[@colanitower]

First thoughts on this sympathetic looking ship: with its Hoover heritage, one of them may be the USS Roomba. Someone has to clean up the dust. Want your planet's orbit cleaned up? Hire one of these :) But on a more serious note, it could indeed very well be a multipurpose utility ship.

[@lesliewilson2122]

It isn't the Narada's destruction of the Kelvin which changes the timeline. Something happened long enough back to change the timeline so that; 1. Kirk's father was assigned space duty instead of being home in Iowa. 2. The kelvin was designed and built as a much larger vessel than vessels in the TOS timeline. 3. The Klingons did something to jack with their genetics much earlier than they did in the TOS timeline. The Discovery Klingons look like metalized (poisoned?) versions of the Kelvin Klingons.

[@jamestkirk9104]

This is a James T Kirk approved channel.👍

[@davidhernandez9985]

You can't see the dimensional look of the vessel you guess how the starship looks like.

[@SoremRasmussen]

Hoover class, eh? It does look a bit like a Roomba....

[@slighter]

why is there no actual shots fro the ships from the binary stars scences? Would loved to see it from more angles.

[@SGUDistantHope]

Because they didnt get close enough to this one :)

[@cosmictyger]

The cover illustration of “the Star Empire” was pre “Excelsior”, right?

[@imbadwrench]

If several star trek vessels were going to combine and form VOLTRON, this would be the shield.

[@michaelturano3296]

reminds me of a pre nebula with missing pieces.

[@90lancaster]

Perhaps a previous USS Discovery (and some others) were destroyed while under construction and the number was placed "on Hold" and used a Generation later. So it has a low number because it's a homage like the NCC-1701-A is a homage only this is a different admiral's idea. I wasn't able to find any Historical links for the Space Shuttle of Ships called Discovery for "Haloween" either. So it can't be a direct homage. Another possible explanation is that low number may be reserved for some Science vessels and that is why some of them have very low numbers. Or here is number reserved for a contract and if that Contract isn't completed the number becomes available again and can be requested by the builders. Some do hold some merit in the idea that the class ID or Mission role has some relevance to the first two digits. But that would require Constitution Class ships with a number starting with 10 to have a different mission role - or operate under a different franchise to the Earth Space Probe Authority. It's interesting to speculate anyway. As for the Edison I get a Nebula Class vibe from it.

[@orinokonx01]

Is it possible that the Discovery people have basically ignored TOS as we saw it in the 60s? Maybe they are just linking Discovery with the Motion Picture era instead? It would make so much more sense if thats what is going on. To them 'TOS' era is 'TMP' era...

[@TDBoedy]

The Hoover class looks like a Roomba. It fits.

[@StarTrekMarco]

Guys, why didn't you include the side view of the ship? It has been released via the Eaglemoss flyer thingy for over a week now.

[@CZ350tuner]

Look like it had a very strong design influence from ADB Star Fleet Battle's Burke class fleet frigate. The ship has a large amount of shuttle capacity so, as frigates carry marines by role. the ship could is most likely a frigate.

[@SilasHand]

looks like a tmp era nebula class, minus the sensor pod to me

[@Tallacus]

It's the offspring of the Oberth and Miranda Class

[@johnthemachine]

So this is the precurssor to the miranda class?...pretty neat, works for me.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Since we can't get a LITERAL early Miranda-class, I guess...

[@jamiedeaton7580]

Honestly, if it is a larger ship, I would kind of expect some kind of pod or secondary hull which makes me think of the TNG Miranda... I.e. the Nebula without the roll bar .

[@saladinbob]

The whole '50 year design' argument is entirely dependant upon what other related technological achievements are made during the time. Due to advances in aeronautics, within a twenty year period, we went from flying simplistic Biplanes to Jet Aircraft. We went from an average speed of 130 Mph to breaking the sound barrier within a generation. Cockings's arguments are entirely feasible because the Edison uses a basic warp engine, with the Excelsior being the test-bed for Transwarp. That's a period of over forty years, roughly the same length of time it took us to go from the first manned flight to flying faster than the speed of sound. The reason why aircraft are by and large unchanged over the last fifty years is because there hasn't been any other associated technological breakthroughs. We haven't invented engines to allow us to fly at hypersonic speeds, for example. Technical progress in any area is not a linear curve, it goes through periods of innovation leading revolution and then remains largely the same again for a period of time.

[@tmseh]

Make it so.

[@mysticvirgo9318]

I can see this as a proto miranda.. A good airframe/ spaceframe can remain in production for a really long time.. The boeing B-52 design is approaching it's 67th anniversary and is STILL in production and multiple rebuilds, latest being an engine upgrade . The boeing 737 design has been about since 1967 and has been remodeled and refit several times , the newest being the 737 MAX in 2017 . Point being there is no reason an Enterprise era or discovery era design could not be used for several generations .. I could easily see the Edison being the first iteration of the Miranda class . enlarge a little , replaced the twin shuttle decks with compartments and relocating it to the center aft.. hang the engines down on short pylons(because of radiation issues ) .. Bob's your uncle.

[@jameswg13]

Mystic Virgo the is an article somewhere with more views of this ship. More a proto centaur than Miranda however it could be the inspiration for the Miranda and nebula in the future. Actually the full design looks pretty badass

[@thewholenarr]

2:23 isn’t that a decepticon?

[@davidhernandez9985]

It looks more of a compact design of a starship.

[@wmiller2811]

It does indeed look like a Roomba.

[@SurelyYewJest]

I kinda like it. It seems like a feasible workhorse design for the pre-Khan timeline. The plating texture has far too much contrast though, which always makes these ship concepts look bush league compared to the movies. If it looks like a sea of metal rectangles welded together, it takes a lot of futurism out of the look. You don't really see Romulan, Klingon, or other alien ships having plates like that, so while it makes the ship seem realistic for 21st century humans, they look wannabe against the clean spans of material on alien ships.

[@ZYONCOMICS]

It looks more advanced than the Enterprise too.

[@Samantha_was_here_first]

Hoover class with giant doors at the front of the ship. My guess with the info from image, Its a resource collecter. They never show how star fleet collects the materials etc needed for building etc. So i'm sticking with a mining ship.

[@jameswg13]

Second One someone has an article lower down which shows more views of the ship and damm it looks even better

[@TDBoedy]

I do miss the TMP creamy white and prussian blue color schemas - it made teh ships look ceramic and fluid. I would like to see a post Voyager show take that idea and apply it to newer designs - add some black and red in for contrast - but keep it simple and attractive.

[@mathewdefreitas4510]

it looks like the Farragut from TNG.

[@bryanmcfarland967]

Hi Guys, On the second picture, it looks like it has the same lights/windows casting above the registration like the new USS Enterprise in the Discovery series.

[@MADDOG2151]

Samuel your point about the hull shape not being correct for the era and it looks somewhat similar to the Excelsior is quite wrong look at ships from the 19th century specifically British battleships and then compare their hulls to the modern USS zumwalt, my point being designs are cyclical and are very specific to the task at hand, I think it fits nicely into its era

[@eddieblanco230]

Ha ha ha I thought the same thing! Look like the Falcon.

[@cwallacefilms]

I like the sketch more. The 3D rendering looks like a wip

[@zoberraz]

You guys wanted to see more? More was actually already available. :) www.thetrekcollective.com/2018/04/discovery-ship-bits-new-views-of-worker.html TheTrekCollective.com showed off the Hoover-class model that Mark Krentz put up on his online portfolio in late April. There's plenty of views there, enough to have given you more meat to gnaw on. Personally, I like the Hoover-class. I think it looks rather unique, Starfleet and yet very unique. It has a downward descending neck that ends in a small secondary hull (pod) that then goes into horizontal nacelles. The neck is almost-Constitution and the nacelles are almost-Discovery. So, Foley/Cockings, go on the above link, and get to know what the ship looks from other views. There's bonus workbee concepts in that link too. (ironically, that same article did a shoutout to the Trekyards Disc Bird of Prey article... and you guys never knew?)

[@richardajoy79]

I'm not a fan of this ship, but when I first saw it I originally thought it could possibly have a Saber-esque secondary hull design and instead of a Saber-like nacelle attachment to main hull, there are pylons on the secondary hull.

[@jameswg13]

Richard Joy the is an article comment somewhere that gives you more views of this ship.definitely more saber/centaur type of design and even better looking

[@richardajoy79]

Thanks for the heads-up. I checked out the article. The ship is actually growing on me. If the images are accurate, then the ships unusual, but unique.

[@EmpyreanFrost]

Love this ship and almost everything about Discovery.

[@saladinbob]

So far the only ship from this miserable show I like is the Shinzou. The designers/producers whomever, seem to have an issue with making things in proportion. It's not helped by the ridiculous upscaling of sizes JJ-light is obsessed with. This is marginally better than the Crossfield class and its not unsurprising that the concept sketch is more detailed than the shot from the show. Good shout on the Falcon though, it does seem they want to tie this in to Star Wars visually.

[@brettcooper3893]

Vaguely Miranda class. That's all I can think.

[@NephritduGrey]

Hm, same as with the Discoprise the overall feel would fit much better in between TOS and TMP, looks a bit like the Oberth part too with the bridge thing. Least in the sketch not the other thing.

[@Spiderwebb4051]

it looks similar to a nebula without the structure above the dish

[@MisterHotrod92]

Have you guys seen this article here? : www.thetrekcollective.com/2018/04/discovery-ship-bits-new-views-of-worker.html It gives some other interesting angles of the Hoover class. The underside looks a lot more different than I expected it to, but in a good way!

[@SGUDistantHope]

We saw them...after this was filmed haha! we will do follow ups!

[@raygunn812]

there were other renders of this design, but it was taken down. It has a torpedo launcher at the bottom .

[@SGUDistantHope]

yep! we recorded this before those went public...so will do a follow up soon!

[@apotheases]

From the thumbnail it looked like a backwards Millennium Falcon.

[@donaldhill3823]

Yes, Samuel the person who seems to know the least about modern Ships did piss off the Navy guys. Said it before and I will Say it again you need to take a trip down to Portsmouth and take some tours of the ships so you will have a better idea of what you are talking about. It will help you understand ships and give you insight to what a ship needs when you design one for space.

[@ZYONCOMICS]

Have to disagree Foly, Starfleet isn't building with aesthetics in mind, they would be concentrating on Function and performance, trying to build a better ship. Trying to bring back a retro style I do not think would not be a priority for them.

[@Kaiber_Phoenix]

It's kinda of a TMP centuar/Miranda mixed design for the discovery of done properly would look like a decent ship but as the actual model is horrifically simple and bland it ruins it is like to see someone do there own version coloured and detailed

[@STNuevo]

This is one of the ships in a show like DIS to fill the screen in a battle. I can imagin that this kind of ship was launched by star fleet but it is not a remarkable one, not a hero ship. Not everyone can be a hero. So, not my favorit. However, good job, you guys take all from it (from one shot) thats possible.

[@jameswg13]

wsi trek could be a carrier as well which would make more sense in war/adapted design

[@positronicfeed]

Yes. Spaceships aren't very simple. Also they're not very real. Which is why Matt Jeffries based the philosphy of his designs on US Navy ships.

[@gawainethefirst]

It’s a backwards Millennium Falcon.

[@mattmon6118]

Looks almost like the main body of the 23rd century romulan bird of prey, without the wings.

[@josephllivingston1378]

Do you guys not see Defender Class or even some of Defiant in this design? Take away the nacelles.

[@raygunn812]

thetrekcollective has more images from different angles. april 26

[@SGUDistantHope]

yep! we recorded this before those went public...so will do a follow up soon!

[@SJgolf891]

Those angles really change my opinion of the ship. Went from being meh towards it to actually liking it

[@jameswg13]

It's a bit of a marmite design but until we get the full pictures I will reserve full judgement. However I do like it as a design you can see design features and where it would go in the 'future' I like how we can't guess what it's role is either. Could be carrier ship could be mining could be so many things. One thing noone seems to have touched on is where's the impulse engines though could they be where it tapers at the back that seems the most likely point for them or at the bottom of it tapers there as well. You could still have another shuttle bay then. I disagree with your design issues. Designs can be around for years and years B-52's, 737's, the de Havilland comet and no piece of machinery is simple. Heck the TOS Connie was around for 20 years before Kirk got his hands on it. Nearly 30 by the time of its major refit and then that one/design was around for another what 20 ISH years. When they did the Connie refit as well in canon it's said Kirk, Scotty and decker worked on the refit closely from the design phase onwards working with current designs or newer designs and adapting them or using the ones they think worked best from their own deep space experiences/long missions. So could easily make sense that some of the designs had been around a while. The more they overthink the plumbing the easier it is to block up the drain

[@jocax188723]

When I see this thing I think Discovery era proto-Saber. I kinda like it.

[@Ginger_FoxxVT]

It looks so bad, I can't see what the ship is even called- You couldn't have picked a different colour scheme than "White text on light grey metal"

[@raya7816]

how many in crew

[@Roche_Furman]

It reminds me less of a Miranda, and more of a Nebula.

[@travisjones2089]

the us navy and most navy's have a 10 to 30 year delivement . and the life cycel is of a ship is 50 + years

[@raya7816]

the uss Edison is better then Discovery

[@TheCastellan]

Cute ship, just lose the heavy aztecing.

[@jayeffaar]

Hoover class? Looks more like Roomba class to me.

[@benediktlopez4402]

Minis used to be quite successful race cars.

[@trr94001]

A carrier maybe?

[@raijinmeister]

To me looks like a pseudo Nebula class. Instead of shuttle bay doors, those could be big sensor suites, it's supposed to be TOS era so a long-range sensor would need some big housings, and the indentations behind the bridge section would be where you place the mission pod as the one we saw Nebulae using. Nice design but is a shame someone like Eaves working under the poor visual direction of STD. They are making Star Trek look generic instead to keep or create a unique visual language as all Star Trek series did prior to this one.

[@kylestateler]

It looks like they tried to make a bunch of new Starfleet ships and then made them look really dirty and old. I assume this comes from Star Wars inspiration. I fear the producers are just trying to visually sell Discovery to Star Wars fans. Even then, I doubt it’s working out.

[@Durakken]

The argument that a space ship is more complex is wrong. You want things to be as simple as possible on a space ship because you don't want things failing ever and the way you do that is you make it so there as few moving parts and as simple as possible. Navy ships and cars are hyper complex comparatively to what a spaceship should be, because they don't have to worry too much about points of failure.

[@gjalie]

really enjoy the Discovery series although they wrapped up the ending to quick and easy. seen almost every star trek serie there is in the last 1.5 years thanks to netflix. quick unbiased ranking. 1. Deep space nine (just great) 2. Star Trek Voyager ( solid series) 3. Star Trek Enterprise ( slow start, but great recovery in the last seasons!) 4. TNG (grew up with this but it is so random storytelling, Borg made it interesting) 5. Discovery has a light disadvantage over TNG, but it looks great. (story telling needs to pick up quality to move up in order) 6. TOS (just made it trough season 1 and it is horrible, slow, ridiculous and to long were discovery episodes need more time)

[@weaponx26]

gjalie I agree with you, folks who grew up with tos think it's the greatest I see it as a draft. For the movies and later series

[@gethammed]

The execs at CBS must have had too much blood wine when they came up with this design... It's terrible!

[@arikbord2256]

It has never made any sense that the ships in ST were supposedly built in numerical order. Look at modern military numbering. Each type of ship has its own numbering format. Also, those numbers have reset a few times (The Los Angeles class submarines ended in the 700s, and the next generation Seawolf class started at 21). Also, your argument for complexity was somewhat correct, but misguided. Again, take the modern military. Seagoing ship designs haven't changed much in 2000 years. Propulsion systems have changed, materials have changed, knowledge of fluid dynamics have streamlined designs, but the basics are still the same: a keel, frames, some sort of cutwater at the bow, and a rudder to steer. It's functional. External stylings are cake decorations. Prior to the 20th century, it would have been fairly common for a ship to be sailing for 30 or more years. Currently, we have ships still afloat over 200 years old. Why should ship designs change so rapidly? New technology has never caused a 10ish year old ship to be mothballed... that only happens for political or budget reasons, and the Federation doesn't use money anymore.

[@simonwillis1529]

Hoover class Really 😩

[@bluemagus2424]

love your show, hate discovery, hate this ship, love star trek

[@adamlemus7585]

Cars aren't as simple as you paint them as I drive a 2006 Ford F150 and have taken apart the engine before it literally has components called cam timing phasers on it. I have the Haynes manual for the TMP Enterprise and the Haynes manual for my F-150 truck and I understand more of what's going on in that fictional Starship then I do in this over complicated mess of Technology Ford sold me

[@kamenriderblade2099]

You should have bought a Toyota Tundra

[@adamlemus7585]

Kamen Rider Blade That's what I'm looking at now. My 06 Ford is now moving into the "project car" phase of life. I live in the southern California desert. Going to turn the Ford a desert runner and buy a Tundra TRD 4x4 as a daily driver

[@rickventers1777]

Well named as a class ( Hoover ) because it sucks

[@Carrierbuilder406]

Aircraft Carriers are not simple, Aegis class cruisers are not simple. Starships are big hunks of metal with pipes in them floating it space. What a stupid argument you make as Aircraft carriers are the most a advanced tech of their time just like Starships are the most advance tech of their time. Get a clue.

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

I must say, the first half season of Discovery I found better and more interesting, because it was so different! The second half is kind a boring, uneventfull and it had too many fanbase cooling eastereggs shoehorned in! Sorry, (I know I'm almost alone with this) but after watching the show after the Seasonbreak, I'm not hyped for more!

[@denistuohy6420]

As soon as you mentioned the millenium falcon that's all i could see...I don't like it

[@tparm]

A very lazy design. I wonder if they knew what they were doing or just did not care that it looked like the Millenium Falcon. Either way, how did it get passed by the producers?

[@scytheseven9173]

It doesn't really look like the Millennium Falcon. Sure, they have a superficially similar C> shape and similar coloring, but it is only a semblance. If it had a side mounted bridge or a radar dish, I could call it a copy, but this obviously fits into Federation shape lineage. It looks like the Falcon, if you turned it around, took off all its identifiable features, raised the back, and added nacelles. The resemblance is pretty tenuous.

[@0SgtRoadkill0]

god that thing is ugly.....

[@jameswg13]

Sgt.Roadkill go look at one of the articles in the comments with more renders and say that again

[@martink324]

Could you please take away your Smartphone? You can hear it in every video and it is anoying!!!! Thanks in advance!