Trekyards EP37 - D7 / K't'inga (Mission Briefing Pilot)

[@Joisey11]

FYI, both the Klingon and Federation use a deuterium slush as fuel for the matter-anti-matter warp reactors (supplemented by the bussard collectors on an emergency basis). Dilithium was stated on screen in TNG as not being the fuel source, but used in "focusing" the matter-anti-matter particle stream. The Klingon engines are so small because the deuterium slush is stored in tanks that comprise the bulk of the volume in the "gull wings" of the rear hull of the D7. The Federation warp engines are so large because the Federation has their deuterium tanks within the warp engine housing itself, and both the deuterium and the matter-anti-matter warp engines are physically spaced well away from the crew occupied areas of the ship (and are jettisonable in an emergency) because the Federation follows superior safety standards. As was noted, the boom of the Klingon D7 can separate and act as a sublight life boat in the event of the warp engines going super critical. This will only save the ethnic Klingon officers, whose quarters are in the primary hull, and not the rest of the crew, but is viewed as an acceptable safety margin by the Klingons. In this context we see how the Klingon D7 has considerably less crew habitable space than the Constitution class (about 50% less living space), as only the very center of the rear hull, and not the gull wings, are livable space.

[@AlexRosenzweig]

A few notes... 　 1] Interesting bit of trivia is that the original length for the D7 was actually 216 meters or so, not 228. BTW, the class name for the D7 is Klolode, which I think first appeared in one of the Star Trek Log books by Alan Dean Foster. 2] Have you seen the closeups of the model of the G'roth, from "Trials and Tribble-ations"? here's a lot more detail there, though it's hugely more subtle than on the K't'inga. 3] The cross-section (ca. 9:15) is the Klolode, not the K't'inga. It's based on Mike McMaster's drawings. Notably, you can see the main sensor in the forward hull, where the K't'inga mounted a pho-torp tube. Also, note the TOS-style engines. 4] (ca. 10:25) - A turboshaft runs down the length of the "neck": www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/book-of-klingon-plans-sheet-6.jpg 5] (ca. 13:02) - That's the ventral view. 　 6] (ca 14:00) - back in the day, the original McMaster plans showed the Klolode/D7 with phasers. That's a really old graphic; I haven't seen it in years! But it looks like the McMaster plans are its source material. 7] (ca. 17:30) - There's a really good sketch by Andrew Probert that sort of "places" the bridge set in the K't'inga superstructure. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. Andy really thought this stuff through! Lots of fun stuff there!

[@Assassinus2]

You were talking about the Officers' Club in the D-7's main hull. I think that's what humans would call a shooting range. (At least, that's what it gets used for. And bat'leth sparring.)

[@grayburst]

A nice examination of one of the most iconic of Star Trek ships; those are good points about how duty would be aboard a D7.

[@artan6966]

Here is the reason for the "plate look" for the K'tinga vs. the D7. The K'tinga removed a second hull skin that was applied to all D7s. This was done to save weight. So what you are seeing as "plates" is the support system for the outer hull skin. According to FASA sources (which was under contract with Paramount Pictures) The D-7 had six variants There was some variants D-7B, D through F, H through L N through Q.. D-7A is the Painbinger of K’t’agga, D7-C is the Bringer Of Destiny or K't'kara (which was the D-7 is use during the Four Year War), D-7G is the Truthbringer or K’t'alla, the D-7M is the Bringer Of Destruction or K’t’inga (K'tinga), D-7R is the Bringer Of Agony or K't'rika, D-7S is the Bringer Of Justice or K't'mara. Klingon nacelles are smaller due to the lack of shielding. The D-7A and C lacked torpedoes (the Klingons had or DIsruptors and Heavy Disrupters during that time), The D-7G and R was armed with Plasma Torpedoes. The D-7M and S is the only variants that were equipped with Photon Torpedoes. The Klingons viewed the plasma and photon as enemy weapon, but the admiralty forced the weapons on the Klingon Navy. I have seen a T variant (I think Q'nos One was in fact a T variant)

[@MASSTERCAM]

In the PC-Game Star Trek The Next Generation: Klingon Honor Guard, was actually a scene with a K't'inga cruiser and the hull from the boom separated.

[@hallmonitor1]

One thing I wanted to point out about the use of phasers on Klingon ships in SFB, was that the game was based on TOS, and in TOS canon, "Klingon phasers" are mentioned in "Errand of Mercy." At that point in time, the word "phaser" was used sort of generically.

[@ostlandr]

Have always been more of a fan of the D7 Battlecruiser than the overgrown birds-of-prey. I love the small B'rel class birds-of-prey, like Martok's IKS Rotarran. But for sheer intimidation and general badassery, you need a D7- and lots of bloodwine. K'plah!

[@exexpat11]

FASA had two classes of BoP. The standard size Frigate Raider and the Great Bird of Prey which was more like a FASA sized Frigate with Troop Bays for Invasion and taking other ships. FASA always made their Frigates to be like Dreadnoughts or Pocket Battleships.

[@captin3149]

The small scout Bird of Prey that was in 'Wrath of Kahn' was the B'rel class. The larger cruiser sized Bird of Prey that was in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' were the K'vort class. If they used the same design for two such differently sized vessels then I imagine they used it for even more classes so there might be quite a few different sized ships of the same configuration. (In-universe, not counting the production crew simply re-using models)

[@jamiebraswell5520]

Cap Tin , I think you meant Star Trek III The Search For Spock, not The Wrath of Khan. Anyhow, The Next Generation was well known for using old models from the movies. The Bird of Prey model was designed to be a small 12 man scout/attack ship, but TNG used it for large cruisers as big as Enterprise D. It always annoyed me because I do not think the design lends itself to being such large vessels. It never looked right to me as a giant ship. But even in the films, the size changed. The scout ship was bigger in Trek III than it was in Star Trek IV The Voyage Home. Compare shots of the crew exiting the ship when it lands on Vulcan, then later in the next film when it show people boarding. Suddenly, the Bird Of Prey is a lot smaller.

[@jamesbrown4092]

I believe the ship in the deck view diagram at 9:15 is a D7 rather than a K't'inga. If you refer to the comparison chart shown at 7:34, you can see that the sensor dome behind the bridge pod is taller on the K't'inga. The ship in the deck view diagram has the shorter (D7) dome.

[@hughsmith7504]

Fun fact in the Haynes user manual for the Klingon bird-of-prey it says that individual ship captains could select other weapons besides disruptors and torpedoes, including phasers.

[@darthyoda000]

i have to say i absolutly adored this pilot and i hope there is alot more coming around. you mentioned about people who watching this may actually come onto the show and i have to admit i would love to spend time with you guys on something like this. once again just an incredible episode of trekyards and i can't wait to watch all the future episodes whatever they me be.

[@textB00Kcase]

My guess is that Klingon ship sizes are smaller because they don't have labs, the personal needed tor them, or recreation spaces (TOS - Trouble with Tribbles). Also, I doubt they would build in a safety margin or backups. (Safety is for the weak) These are warships not exploration vessels. This could mean they don't plan for long deployments and crew comfort can suffer. Hot bunking in any space that can hold a bed isn't out of the question. If they are designed tor short missions they car carry less food and other consumables. Last thought, never seen a Klingon escape pod, (escape may not me an option) which would save room as well..

[@mikezarquon7464]

textB00Kcase Klingons prefer to die in battle. Rather than have the dishonour of an escape pod because this would be part of weakness and cowardice.

[@Swidhelm]

The nacelle size difference could be down to two different methods of achieving the same thing. But then I'd also imagine the federation nacelles would have a number of safety redundancies that the Klingons likely wouldn't bother with.

[@markplott4820]

@ Stuart Foley - by the time ST:TMP happened the D-7 was discontinued for the more advanced D-12, it got yet another upgrade in ST:THE undiscovered country. the ship was named Kronos 1, not sure of the model, deffenitly derived from D-7/D-12 lineage.

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

A fine ship truly worthy of her history and pride may she serve the empire for decades more

[@jamesbrown4092]

Another possible explanation for the smaller Klingon nacelles (besides the K't'inga being a smaller ship) is that the Klingon nacelles do not contain all the hardware that's contained in the Federation design. If the Drell 7 diagram (13:34) is correct, then the Bussard collectors are on the wing, rather than in the nacelle. If other components are also relocated to the wing, then the nacelle may contain little more than the warp coils. Keeping this in mind, if you look at the comparison diagram at 18:26, and compare the K't'inga nacelle to the warp coil section of the Enterprise (which I assume is the blue glowy bit) the K't'inga nacelle suddenly doesn't look all that much smaller.

[@semperatis]

The first cross section view is of a D-7,and what you think of as the torp launcher is actual the main deflector dish.The second cross section view is of the D-7M K'Tinga.

[@SpiritOfBagheera]

The Romulans ships were NOT green until they reappeared with the D'deridex-class ship (after a decades-long absence) in the TNG era. The original Bird-of-Prey was gray with an orange/gold bird on the ventral side. And the Romulan D-7s were also gray with orange/gold markings.

[@SpiritOfBagheera]

That said? Video games like the "Starfleet Command" series and the retcon-laden "Enterprise" show have indeed *retroactively* made ALL Romulan ships a bit green...

[@Swidhelm]

Also, the federation being a science driven body, seem to be taught to improvise with their surroundings in ways that few would think to do, and may have tech built into their ships with that in mind. In every show, the ship is often doing things it wasn't meant to do, using ship systems in ways they were not intended. It seems that that mentality is strong within starfleet. Being able to suddenly use the gasses of a nearby nebula to their advantage, or expelling plasma from their nacelles to simulate damage, etc. It seems to me that kind of thinking is ingrained into the federation, and the larger nacelles may be a result of that. Okay, I'm a little high. But it makes sense. :P

[@joshspencer596]

I remember buying an AMT D-7 model WAAAAAY Back In The Day...even then I thought it was certainly alien, compared to the Federation. When the K't'inga hit the screen, its sheer detail matched the Ridgeheads. So, if a Fan Film D-7 boom separates, they should also make sure the rebelling Klingons are blown out into space on screen!

[@sirbobbyuk]

If you were to silhouetted either the D7 or the k'tinga you would notice that it would be little harder to hit the ship while it was doing evasive manoeuvring. the bulbous forward section would present a harder target to hit that the star drive section, and as was mentioned the star drive is heavily shielded so could take a pounding. There could another reason for the design of d7, which relates to its predecessor the d6. I noticed that in combat, from a scene in prelude to Axanar, when the d6 was hit the ship broke in two, the weakest point being the neck section, if this happens it's my assumption that emergency bulkhead doors automatically shut and a emergency battery system kicks in providing life support and keys systems. It is also my assumption that the bulbous section has a small backup impulse engine. These I think have been incorporated into the D7

[@corranlindsay2629]

I wish I could remember where I read it, but the explanation for the very thin neck was because of the constant mutinies on Klingon ships, the neck kept the officers and the crew separate and meant they couldn't storm into the officer section in force, because they'd get bottle necked in front of the one door.

[@rein1705]

the "Feathering" on the K't'inga is possibly a result of the collaboration of the Romulan/Klingon alliance. They (the Klingons) traded warship technology for Cloaking Technology.

[@jamiebraswell5520]

rein1705 , never once in all of my many years of loving this ship as I watched it in Star Trek The Motion Picture have I EVER thought of the armor plating as feathers. I still don't.

[@ammosophobia]

This particular K't'inga model is of Kronos 1 ... they added the red and gold accents to signify the flagship of Chancellor Gorkon.

[@michaelcrump5319]

Haven't read the other comments yet, but Kirk makes reference to Klingon phasers in the original series (perhaps in Errand of Mercy?), and in The Animated Series, the D7 is shown to use phasers. They also fire a magnetic pulse in TOS (Sulu yells "Magnetic pulse!" just before they are hit by Klingon fire in one episode -Day of the Dove? - and it rocks the ship).

[@dougmillhoff9192]

The D7 has turned up enough times with K't'inga-style "armor" in the last couple of decades that we must assume both ships have more or less the same plating. It presumably reflects internal structure. I would suggest that the lack of detail on TOS ships is also the reason it is apparently a little longer and plumper than K't'inga: It is a stealthy outer hull that was retrofitted to counter Federation sensor technology. And not needed in late models and in K'T'inga because they had acquired Romulan cloaking technology. I would also speculate that the nacelles may have had variable geometry, explaining the peculiar angle of their frontal profile. I have a lit 1/350 K'T'inga buildup in which the nacelles were mistakenly aligned vertically, it actually looks better - and fits with this theory. They mention the original D7 studio model, I was actually loaned that model to produce a set of technical drawinfs for a Paramount licensee - one of the images in the video looks VERY much like it may have been adapted from my illustration.

[@MrBranboom]

Live the dream guys, keep it coming!

[@morkofork]

It seems that Starfleet had larger presumably less efficient nacelles until they had a treaty with the Klingons and than they started to get smaller relative to the ship size. Maybe the Khitomer accords included some tech sharing?

[@anthonylowder6687]

The actual name of the D-7 class is Klolode, Drell was the name of the Klingon house that was responsible for the design.

[@dougmillhoff9192]

The "feathered" plating reflects superstructure underneath. Its apparent absence in the D7 is due to a stealth overcoating, rendered obsolete with the addition of cloaking technology and stripped--off on later versions.

[@Marinealver]

Better than the D-7 shuttlecraft that was used in into darkness. Seriously JJ ruined Romulans in the first movie then just destroyed Klingons in the second movie.

[@exexpat11]

JAR JAR ABRAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jamiebraswell5520]

That is Jar Jar Abrams for you. He ruined the Federation too with his incredibly hideous Enterprise. What a bastardization that was.

[@MattMcIrvin]

A Klingon does not require elevators.

[@petero.7487]

Actually in the Gene Roddenberry Novelization: The K'Tinga was actually a little bit longer than the D-7 due to nacelles. This actually does seem to have some basis in the shapes of the design

[@dropdead234]

Something else to remember about K'Tingas. They always(?) traveled in threes, where the Connies worked alone.

[@exexpat11]

Wolf Pack tactics.

[@williamcurry4868]

I don't know why, but for Mel, the TOS Enterprise is like a soaring bird, the D7 reminds me of a gunslinger,, especially when from front on, like someone ready to draw down on you. Just an awesome spaceship design.

[@JosephWiess]

Maybe the reason why the Klingon's stuck with the D-7 for so long is that the Imperial navy wasn't as massive as StarFleet. Maybe each Klingon House bought whatever ships they could afford, and it wasn't until TMP that the Klingon Navy started taking off. Remember, in TNG, it was House Duras against other houses in the Empire and each house had it's own fleet. That might also explain why the Vorcha was the biggest ship, it was all that the House could afford.

[@rickdrent]

Joseph White a great idea

[@bear8696]

The old Star Trek battles tabletop game had a boom section v saucer section campaign. That was kind of fun

[@exexpat11]

D7. Reasons for the engine placement and design. Placement was because they produced a lot of radiation and the Klingons were not a big into shielding from radiation thus the Boom Bridge way out front. Federation was more into redundancy and safety. Think 1970 Soviet Submarines vs Los Angeles and Ohio boats. In most novels the Klingons were more advanced inventing Transporters and Warp engines before most other races (The Final Reflection) . FASA and SFB had other D variants besides the 7. I seem to remember SFB (in the 1980's) having Disruptors on the plans and they were "=" to the various phaser 1, 2, 3, 4 types as far as damage and range. Also I forget where I read that the 1700 or 1701 Refit engines stole some Klingon Tech in the design thus the "slim" nacelles. DId SFB list the D7 as a light cruiser in the Reliant/Miranda class range? Mostly they traveled in Wolf Packs of 3 to gang up on lone ships like a Conny or lower class ship?

[@markplott4820]

@ Captain Foley - regarding the aft D-12 Katinga, don't forget, it had aft torpedoes as well, the Klingon commander fire aft torpedoes at VEGR, he was patterned for storage.

[@dragonfly492]

Mark Plott It's K't'inga

[@myndhold]

Regarding the nacelle size - the size or mass of the start ship seems to dictate the size of the nacelles. The Constitution class looks to have more mass than the k'tinga, and has larger engines to compensate. Likewise the excelsior class has much more mass and similarly is equipped with larger nacelles.

[@Rekreated1]

Does not the mass of the ship dictate the warp field, and nacelle size.

[@HeathInClearLake]

Fascinating stuff for an old Star Fleet Battles guy such as myself. I THINK that somewhere I read that the KTinga's panels were meant to be adjustable like wing flaps on an airplane to help steer it through a planet's atmosphere. Here's a question I hope that someone can shed siome light on: where-when wasthe first time a Klingon ship was referred to as a D-7? I'm fairly certain that TOS never made mention of it. And green is a dorky color for a Rom ship, btw.

[@tfranz1966ify]

When you reference the size of the engines on the D7 being smaller the engines on the Connie, it comes down to the mass of the ships. Since the mass of the Connie is greater than the D7, the Connie would need to generate a larger warp field, not because of a less advance tech.

[@pauln2661]

That loooooooooooooong neck would make for an awesome comedy bit. If it had slide walks like an airport with one going forward and one going aft.. having two Klingons in passing like a shift change like Wylie coyote and the Sheepdog.

[@gavinjoth5347]

couple things about the D7, the Klingons didnt care as much about radiation exposure, because they lived shorter lives, and leading into the second point, the secondary hull (wing section) was often crewed by slave species. Again, radiation exposure. Also these slaves at times would revolt, which is the main reason the neck and head section separates. Not as a lifeboat for the whole crew, but so the officers could escape a mutiny.

[@ryansnook1175]

The D7 class name describes any number of variants of the class, which included many individually named and numbered series. Akif-class (battlecruiser) Klolode-class (D7-D5) K't'agga-class ("Painbringer", D7A cruiser) K't'kara-class ("Bringer of Destiny", D7C cruiser) K't'alla-class ("Truthbringer", D7G cruiser) K't'inga-class ("Bringer of Destruction", D7M cruiser/battlecruiser) K't'rika-class ("Bringer of Agony", D7R cruiser) K't'mara-class ("Bringer of Justice", D7S cruiser) Koloth-class (frigate) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-class_submarine

[@pacree]

"Space Energy Sensor" detects plotium. Let's the Klingons know whether or not to break out the red sashes. Klingon's wear red sashes instead of red shirts when they know they're going to die in the episode.

[@jonglo52]

My take on the nacelle size is dealing with the nature of the ships. The nacelle generates the warp field whose side is relative to the mass of the ship to being moved. Klingon ships are more pure warships with not much in the way of science and laboratory demands, whereas the Federation ships are more explorers. The Federation ships would need more power for scientific surveys, so the warp core would be bigger, so it would need a larger nacelle to provide a stable warp bubble. This sort of makes sense if you look at the Defiant class, that has no science capabilities and smaller mass. Even the Intrepid class, like Voyager follows this, as it doesn't have a lot of tactical provisions, being more of a science vessel that a war ship.Just my theory though.

[@petero.7487]

Interestingly, the K'Tinga might not have been scaled right: The top of the hammer head is about as thick as the Enterprise's saucer rim in both cases. With the longer nacelles, and the remaining proportions, it would probably measure out to 235 or so meters. In TMP's Novelization by Gene Roddenberry, he also said the same thing, though the novel wasn't technically canon.

[@RetroBerner]

I like the format, no games just straight to the important stuff. I would like to see one on the Prometheus. Thanks guys!

[@Trekyardswebseries]

No games??? You mean you don't like our "official" Trekyards format?? 😕😔

[@RetroBerner]

I could do without the hypothetical battles, but I end up watching them anyways, since it's still better than most of the other stuff out there.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

That's why we dropped the versus in all the newer episodes.

[@RetroBerner]

You guys are doing great, don't worry bud :)

[@brianlindee960]

Stuart Foley romulan"s have warbirds klingons have Bird of prey and battlecruisers

[@Riceball01]

FYI, what you guys called a dorsal view on the K'tinga (the first "dorsal" view) was not a dorsal view, it was a ventral view.

[@joebrooks7487]

The smaller engine is to minimize target area and may be slower, less safe, and less energy efficient.

[@812amack]

I have a theory that the nacelles' size difference is down to not maximum speed but how quickly you get to it. Overall volume of the D7/K't'inga is considerably less so lower mass. Smaller nacelle still provides considerable acceleration, fed vessels larger volume, greater mass, larger nacelles and a bit more for superior acceleration.

[@anthonylowder6687]

The schematic in yellow and orange is the D7

[@sirbobbyuk]

I would have thought that the Klingon would have develop larger ships to deals with the new excelsior class. I can't imagine that starfleet would build a larger ship if they didn't think the Klingons had develop bigger ships as well, maybe something that was missed off in St:3 or even St:2. I think there needs to be another look at possible new Klingon designs that show how they adapt to what starfleet are building.

[@doczolfer3523]

Hey guys! I know this is a old video, but I had a few ideas for what a D1 might look like.

[@DarkScipio]

Perhaps the Fed Warp Tech is more efficent? More safe? Needs less maintance?

[@jimtilley1158]

the design life was 225 years. and was seen in ds9 episodes. you could assume the same vessels were upgraded an modernised as time passed. as for the plating design. i think its a different class of the same spaceframe. the D7 and the Ktinga are different ship classes. klingons are warriors. they need to build ships fast. i think the same space frame is used to create different classes of ships. some ktinga class ships in STTNG DS9 and Voy. had glowing engines some with different colors red and green glow. D7 in TOS didnt cloak. ktinga did in ds9 when they brougt out older ships to fill out the fleet. i think the d7 and ktinga are different ships and not refits. just different classes built on the same frame for faster cheaper construction.

[@poseidon5003]

The Klingon text @9:16 literally says "Klingon D7 Battle Cruiser". It''s kind of obvious.

[@eldergroan]

the boom and primary hull seperate to be used as a lifeboat if the secondary hull is too damaged. the secondary hull isn't designed to operate as a seperate working vessel. that's also why life support is in the primary hull.

[@flatheadgg2443]

4:00 nice have the same model of the D7 on my desk

[@backfire357]

I thought the d7 SSD also included two drones or missiles. I think it was the d-7+refit but missiles were cool and starfleet command 2 handled them well.

[@blackasp001]

have always loved the D7 but the biggest bugbear for me is the photon launcher in the navigational deflector housing! it just pisses me off no end (end of rant) but the biggest kick I got was in the remastered version of Elan of Troyas where the D7 had waist phaser mounts (so that's cannon lol)

[@DrewLSsix]

That has never been a deflector.

[@harryzimmerman7991]

I only have one issue with the size comparison, the one picture that shows the 5 ships with Excelsior at the top, the Oberth (Grissom from ST-3) and the Bird-Of-Prey look too big compared to the K'Tinga and Enterprise, i know that the bird of prey have 3 different classes with different sizes, but would still be much smaller compared as the Oberth

[@ethanforster]

I think its because star fleet vessels were all purpose best of the best Star fleet tech all put together into a great quality ship for all purposes, and the Klingons have combat purposed mass produced ships for their military, something quick and strong and not much more, sort of comparing soviet tanks to german tanks really

[@CrazyTim2]

I think the reason their warp nessels are smaller is due to the fact there engines are not as advance as the federation. example scotty had to upgrade the dilitium matrix of the bird-of-prey in Star Trek V

[@slighter]

where's the full D7 trekyards episode btw?

[@myndhold]

Can you post links to the images in the description so we can look at them in greater detail. The schematic at 5:45 for instance?

[@jamesbrown4092]

+myndhold Here's the diagram from 5:45...smg.photobucket.com/user/goose814/media/Comparison2.jpg.html

[@gregorywray4484]

I have built a upgraded d7 cruiser my cruiser has bigger warp nacelles and improved impulse engines and a2ndary launch tubealso I have added disruptor banks for a more aggressive look

[@645-u6e]

I would like to see a K'vort class episode! The next step after the d7

[@jimtilley1158]

the klingon bridge. the captain sit infront of the bridge crew unlike federation bridges where the captain sits in the center. the klingon captain literally leads his ship into battle.

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

Star Fleet Battles simply took "phasers" from the same blueprints AMT used to build the studio model and the 1/650 model kit. As far as the Klingon using "disruptors' and the Federation using "phasers," I would love to see a single instance, in an actual TV show or movie, of aliens using "phasers." It strikes me as the Federation using a euphemistic name for their own disruptor technology.

[@exexpat11]

Disruptors had two settings KILL and VAPORIZE.

[@jimtilley1158]

warp engines would create the same speeds for same tech levels. i think the trade off would be power consumption and efficiency. klingons being more warlike design their ships small to present a smaller target to hit. the engines might use more power and operate less efficiently to get the same performance as federation ships. i think the klingons would accept this design because the engines would be much smaller targets. federation ships were not designed primarily for war, so they are designed for peek efficiency and lower power consumption because they have to support the science facilities that the klingons have no use for.

[@kiffstevenson2784]

I love the TOS design aesthetic best of all, but I know why they had to add "greebling" for the movies - it's because a ship with a totally smooth hull conveys no information to the viewer regarding its size or scale. "Real" starships would probably look like TOS ships because such things wouldn't be a concern, and it's easier and more efficient to build large, smooth panels.

[@jeans.plescha1480]

Cannon Lacks the D-10 ;) It would be the equivalent of the ENT Refit, and the L-24 for Excelsior. (both from FASA)

[@benjimain6]

Seeing these side shots, I really think the design would work better with a length of 300-350 m.

[@jamiekirk7064]

Thanx guys .

[@TheCastellan]

Please do shows on the Constellation class and Excelsior. :D

[@flatheadgg2443]

9:30 that's not the K'Tinga that's the D7

[@jamesmagill5433]

Glory to you and this show....,(Gowron Stare😳)

[@anthonylowder6687]

Look at the blueprints those are deflector plates

[@youtubevoice1050]

If klingon engines/ nacelles really were more efficient, why not build bigger ones to gain an advantage in speed? Makes no sense. But maybe part of the propulsion mechanism resides inside the "wings". This way the engines would only appear smaller (from the outside). - Or the designers did mainly care for looks rather than plausibility ;)

[@jamesmartin9401]

K'tingas are my third favorite non-Human design after B5 Whitestars and Romulan Valdore/Norexians. I like the K'tingas over the raw D-7, although obviously, the difference is not that large.

[@pony_drums]

Is this the ship in the beginning of TMP? Or is that a different class?

[@rein1705]

Why are some references to the K't'inga labeled (D-9 K't'inga)?

[@poseidon5003]

I always thought it was a D8.

[@gregorywray4484]

hey folet how do you know that separates I don't see where it separates I think its a whole ship

[@Trekyardswebseries]

gregory wray Watch our Saucer separation episode. The Klingon ships have boom separation. It's part of the Starfleet Battles game. We go in depth about it during the saucer separation episode though.

[@sirbobbyuk]

By the way great discussion

[@Pooptydoopoop]

Isn’t the d7 and the k’tinga the same ship?

[@secondaryadjunctofu0]

so is it cue applause, or Q applause? Get it? Q applause? Because of the Q continuum?

[@kurumais]

this is the ship its a beauty

[@hamrickdr]

In my head-canon the neck section of the D-7 has a transport tube that shoots you from one part of the ship to the other, like the old B-36: books.google.com/books?id=Fy0DAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA144#v=onepage&q&f=false

[@philv2529]

Were TOS klingon D7s able to cloak?

[@flatheadgg2443]

yes they are so the romulan version I never saw a klingon one cloaking but l think they were able to cloak as well

[@kitbashbob6426]

The bigger the ship, the bigger the engines

[@Hapokas112]

Interesting.

[@danafrancies6710]

could the ktanga be a sub class of the d7

[@RaderizDorret]

The K'T'inga is an upgraded D7 class. Similar how the Constitution-class was upgraded.

[@flatheadgg2443]

RaderizDorret that's correct but the k'tinga is a little bit smaller than the D7

[@Ebeneezergoode1]

Dana Francies I feel that they're all both D7 and K't'inga. Starfleet reporting name like the NATO reporting name for the Schulke submarine is Alfa, and Tu95 is Bear. It'd explain why a ship in the D-series could be a bird of prey. And why what appeared to be a K't'inga in Voyager was called a D7.

[@RaderizDorret]

Flathead Gg244 The refit Constitution class was also a bit smaller than its original form in some dimensions. The K'Ting'a is much more heavily armed and armored, so the smaller size might be to compensate for the greater mass (lower volume for the same mass tends not to be a stressful on the structure, for example).

[@jamesbielby3491]

Polar Lights need to make an accurate model of the K'Tinga in scale with its Enterprises 1000 and 350 scale. The AMT model of the K'Tinga is grossly inaccurate and over-priced for something so obsolete. The marketplace is oversaturated with Connies and once a company releases a definitive kit of a vessel it's time for everyone else to do new subjects. A 350 scale USS Defiant from DS9 would be very nice.

[@TheCastellan]

I always felt the Klingons had far superior warp pods, they have been in power for a few centuries at least by Archer's time. They are not as crude or primitive as they make ya think in ST4. :)

[@Ebeneezergoode1]

+TheCastellan regarding this, I think a lot of people forget that the Starfleet warp nacelle is "all in one", i.e. you've got your warp coils, bussard ram-scoops, and field emitters etc all in one unit. With the D7/K't'inga, the grilles in the outer portion of the wings are identified as hydrogen collectors, so they're doing part of the job of what's being done by the nacelle on the contemporary Federation ship. Also you could consider differences in the light of say a European or Japanese 4 cylinder engine with a turbo-charger etc vs a naturally aspirated but big American V8. They're both powerful in their own ways, and their designs give them different draw-backs. But I get the feeling Klingon battle-cruisers weren't designed for the same "round trip" range the Connie was, the size could have as much to do with how long speed can be sustained rather than what the top-speed is, like with cooling issues etc for the warp-coils. A bigger nacelle would allow you to alternate coils for example. And it'd explain why warp capable Klingons would have a sleeper ship i.e. the T'Ong from the TNG episode "Emissary".

[@gregorywray4484]

KLINGONS DONT USE ESCAPE PODS OR CRAFT

[@poseidon5003]

Even though this is one of my favorite ships in trek....that long skinny neck is kind of pointless. They had to do something to make the ship look like more of a threat i guess.

[@Jarsia]

Stephen Arseneau always been a problem for me. It serves no real propose. Cut it out and attach the head to the hull, and you lose nothing but looks.

[@poseidon5003]

As far as function goes, you are exactly correct. Unless they need that shape for their warp or shield geometry.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

yes the Klingons were more advanced technologically they had a more efficient warp drive system the Klingon said Interstellar travel centuries before humans and this was mainly because of the hurricane region of Kronos the herd was an alien race that invaded the Klingon Homeworld when this happened the Klingons were the nineteen-sixties nineteen-seventies level technology and it took the Klingons a hundred years maybe more but they did reverse engineer the stack to the Clevelands captured a few of the smaller hurt craft so I heard version of a heavy fighter or maybe her closing of the Delta Flyer Runabout this craft was severely damaged so they can just take off in them but they did reverse engineer just like today and all the sudden I could have a Runabout and give it sell it to the United States Air Force think how much and how much Advance would be in 3240 years