Trekyards EP81 - Daedalus Class

[@illmade2]

there's nothing to say that the NX and Daedalus weren't in service at the same time. As with TOS while the Constitution class was primarily shown there were other classes that existed at the same time but weren't really discussed. Perhaps the NX was to expensive to build many and the Daedalus filled the gap.

[@WillPittenger]

Some renderings of the Daedalus class have a trio of Constitution type dreadnaught deflector dishes on the front of the secondary hull. However, those are mostly blocked by the bulk of the primary hull.

[@scotthuska8070]

Daedalus Class Starships were Federation Starfleet vessels. They were built to explore and to fight in the Romulan Wars. It was established more than 30 years ago that they were designed and commissioned in the 2160's and the last was decommissioned in 2197 (DATA, ST:TNG). That being said the ship was a Matt Jeffries concept design that was considered and rejected for the shooting model of Kirk's ship for Star Trek the Original Series.

[@jamesmagill5433]

It’s not my favorite design but it really grown on me especially after learning the history and backstories behind this starship class. Also is interesting how a few variants looks awful and a few looks great.

[@borusa32]

I think the design of this vessel is great. They should have made Archer's vessel a Deadalus class ship rather than that silly Akira class precursor that looks more advanced than the Constitution ships.

[@warptek]

I agree but if that were the case, they couldn't have named it Enterprise.

[@avenuePad]

@@warptek Sorry for the three-years-later comment, but it would have been a blessing if the show wasn't called Enterprise. There was no reason to call it that except for the fact that Berman and Braga thought audiences were stupid. What's amazing is that they originally didn't include Star Trek in the name to make the show less "Star Trekky", but then called the hero ship Enterprise... Honestly, I remember fans ready to see those showrunners go.

[@thebushwolf710]

Gotta disagree with you on that. Sure the Daedalus is an interesting ship but I honestly love the NX Class even though it kinda sorta looks more advanced but in the long run the NX is more human than the Constitution Class. The reasoning this would never have been chosen is simply because of familiarity. We have the Connie, Galaxy and Sovereign with circular primary hulls and enlongated secondary hulls although the Defiant and kinda Voyager is the exception to this but fit within their own requirements of the universe and are both loved by fans. This new look with a Ball as the Primary hull and 100% cylinder secondary would look kinda jankey to passive viewers and would remove similarity. The reasoning for the show name is also because of similarity, audiences can identify with the name "Enterprise" much better than any other name they could have picked and ended up using the NX series as the basis for the Shuttle names, NX-01 Enterprise, NX-02 Columbia, etc.

[@jonsouth1545]

Their was a model of one on Sisko's desp in DS9 so technically was cannon

[@Lokiawa]

hate to admit it, but yeah the Daedalus was there making it a solid canon ship. 😖

[@morkofork]

+Jon south That could've been something Sisko kit-bashed himself. I could combine model kits of a Lancaster & Vulcan bombers and create some weird hybrid, doesn't mean it actually existed though. ;)

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

HA! Now that's an interesting theory I've never thought of before. Who's to say that Sisko didn't kit bash that thing and make it himself? Remember we saw his tendencies to build things (the clock in "Dramatis Personae" and the Bajoran light ship in "Explorers"). For all we know, the model in Sisko's office isn't a Daedalus class ship or ANY ship of the line that ever existed in Starfleet. It could be an original work by The Sisko. Cue the exploding heads...

[@jonsouth1545]

interesting point but when he did build things he was a stickler for authenticity to the point where he refused to have a replicator on the light ship as the Bajoran's didn't have them

[@davidwise1302]

Unlike in other videos, you do acknowledge the Daedalus' origins at 16:00, so good for you. Refer to the paperback, "The Making of Star Trek" (1968), published before the original show's third season. The Daedalus was one of Matt Jefferies' first design sketches for the Enterprise (see page 82).

[@phoenix1985]

Another thing to consider is that the botanical section was also used for growing fruits & vegetables.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍A very cool and nicely greatly looking ship design indeed the Daedalus Class, I have the Eaglemoss one and I have seen it used in various episodes of the TOS Utube Star Trek shows and Fan made films, And I wish someone made a resin kit of it though or even a styrene model kit would be very nice indeed!.

[@peccatumDei]

There are at least three TOS episodes that reference "lost" ships. Some of these could have been Daedalus class: Horizon - "A Piece of the Action" USS Archon (lost nearly 100 years earlier) - "Return of the Archons" SS Beagle - "Bread and Circuses"

[@kyletimmons421]

The Romulan War and Birth of The Federation book series did a great job retconning everything to mature it fit, and I think you both would be satisfied with it. Yes, Daedalus does predate the NX, but during the war it turned out the Daedalus cod be easily produced by comparison and could be upgraded. with the founding of the Federation, Daedalus became Earth's work horse, the NX'S having almost all being lost in the war and the NX-01 being so badly damaged that she was decommissioned and put in the fleet museum. The NX-REFIT IS in the books :)

[@Lokiawa]

Ooooh I like the sound of that story, but it begs the question; How/why would it be more difficult to produce a NX ship with at least a warp 4 engine versus a Daedalus with its base warp 4.5 engine (not to mention its spherical section). Was this question answered in the book series or was it dropped/ignored? I want to read them but at the moment I am broke. 😫😖😭😿😢

[@kyletimmons421]

+Captain Lokiawa Daedalus was older, less advanced, ergo easier to build than the more advanced NX. They actually say in the books they can build 3 daedali to 1 NX

[@Lokiawa]

Hmm

[@lokisgodhi]

No book, no matter who it's written by is considered canon. Period. The position of Viacom/Paramount/CBS is only what appears in TV episodes or movies is canon.

[@liteney]

Oh dude come on... hell even I wrote a few st stories as a kid, and whether you or Paramount like it or not we're going to keep doing it, so relax and enjoy. Or rather... Live Long and Prosper... : )

[@CiroGuerriero]

The J class was built to service 'far away outposts' - so needed to be faster. These 'far away outpost' most likey had fewer people so the cargo was smaller. The Y class was built to service 'nearby colonies - so they didn't need to be as fast. These 'nearby colonies' had a larger and growing population so the cargo was larger. The overall time for these mission trips for both classes may have been the same. Overall I think the directive at this time was expansionist but not invasive of an claimed territories of other space faring civilisation. I think the idea of these 'space haulage' ships came to the developement of the Deadalus Cargo ship - which was robust and simple to build. This same ubiquitous design at the time of the Romulan war was easy to build and easy to upgrade to NX01 strengths. The reason it seems to be overlooked is because it was in the beginning a non 'military' design which was accepted in very dire times for Earth. These ships where (possibly) 'de-militarised' and given to colony worlds - the same ways AK47s where given to developing nations here on Earth. And that is why these ships are both great and overlooked - they could take a 'licking/(kicking)' and still carry on 'ticking'. That is why they are my favorite ship.

[@rangerjima]

I think Daedalus across all sizes is cannon. Look at aircraft carriers during WWII. They shared similar defining traits, but their sizes got bigger and bigger. As far as the whole NX and Daedalus history is concerned there is no reason for both not to be right. Maybe the vary first (much smaller) Daedalus class vessels served only in Starfleet when it was a purely earth only force. When the U.F.P. finally formed the Daedalus which was a proven space frame was updated and enlarged. This would make it the predecessor to the Constitution.

[@clayronso3932]

Easy to explain. The NX class was expensive to produce. After the Romulan War, Earth being financially constrained because of the war had to build cheaper ships to carry on with.

[@botfan78]

Food for thought: I like to think Enterprise (and some JJ trek) is a result of Capt. Braxton's trip back to the 1960's.

[@Hapokas112]

Interesting.

[@OpenMawProductions]

2:00 Star Trek New Voyages. It's a promo for "In Harm's Way." That's the USS Farragut on the left, Pike's E on the right, and the "J-class" that Pike is injured aboard.

[@markfields6797]

simply a phenomenal video. I love the banter, about all the various timelines. the chemistry between you and Samuel is what makes me keep coming back. I would have loved to see a TV series about the Daedalus I think it would have been phenomenal and truly amazing. Enterprise was just OK in my book. I can't wait to see more.

[@seanwilkinson3975]

I don't mind the odd look of vessels with spherical main hulls. It just serves to show that it was an early design, before saucers.

[@JuxtaposedStars]

The simple explanation for the Enterprise/TOS inconsistency is that Enterprise takes place in a timeline created AFTER STNG:First Contact. In the episode Regeneration, the Borg sphere crash site is discovered. TOS happens in a timeline before the STNG crew and the Borg contaminated the timeline(it's also possible the rest of the STNG movies take place in the Enterprise timeline or that the temporal cold war is a result of the abramsverse creation.

[@RCTPatriot75]

The deflector looks like it might have trouble deflecting with that giant sphere blocking half of it.

[@kkawing]

The becoming the first Daedalus captan book... thing - Starfleet: Year One.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Thank you. Yeah I found the book a day or 2 after filming this. Lol. Great book though.

[@wanextoo]

+Trekyards I love the book - that's how it got me fascinated about the Daedalus-class.

[@kadindarklord]

+Trekyards are you going to include the Star Trek Legacy Appearance? They're NPCs, but they're in the game.

[@watchthe1369]

The NX's were earth built. The Daedlus were the Destroyers turned out in quantity to fight the Romulan war. Like the Fletcher class for WW2. The NX class would be the Essex class or Iowa Class ships equivalents. I would expect each shipyard- especially in different systems- was producing somewhat different versions. Local technical issues would be getting solved locally due to travel times, I suspect the subspace network was not quite in place like it is in the later shows after all the UFP is just getting started.

[@MrFreesearcher]

The NX-01 was in service from 2151 to 2161, where the signing of the federation was finalised. The other NX class ships did remain in service for a few more years, while the Daedalus class was brought in as more of a science vessel at this point, and was more of a precursor to the Obirth class ship, leaving the remaining NX class ships to slowly be replaced by the ships we see in early Axanar timeline (the JJ look ships). At this point, we can add events of Axanar as cannon, and it's safe to assume that Daedalus class ships by this point have either been destroyed, or retired from a lengthy service. Due to the length of their active service, it's safe to say the ship is modded several times, and should weigh in at around the 195m length - slightly shorter than NX ships, as there is much less crew space too, and to keep the proportions right for the shuttle bay.

[@bsmnt23]

Sweet! I just saw this month's picture in the Ships of the Line calendar, and suddenly the goofy-looking Daedalus were cool. Thanks for the post, guys.

[@randymatthews9644]

Per the Romulan War Enterprise Series, the Daedalus Class was the backbone of the fleet because it could be built twice as fast as the NXs. From your study, the discrepancies in configuration and size could be based on the need for these ships in war and different cruiser sizes. the 140m could be Daedalus with the smaller being a destroyer/frigate. The 230 could be a max for rescue or crew plus MACOs. Regular crew size could have been 100-150. The later 209m could be the exploration cruisers like Horizon mentioned by Kirk. The active period you discussed could be the war destroyer/cruisers with them being eventually Solar System Defence Ships or sold as Foreign Military Sales starships to less developed cultures.

[@lrdofstrms]

The Daedalus class always reminded me of WWII Liberty ships...they have that rapid construction feel to them. Also get the feeling of proven tech, off the shelf components, and anything else that might speed up construction, repair, or deployment.

[@watchthe1369]

I like to think the Daedalus and Connestoga were the original warp vessels. The ones that are the same generation of design as the cargo haulers in the Trek:Enterprise show. I was expecting something more like an ovoid for a saucer on the NX ship. The Daedalus is canon, a model of it is in the DS9 show shown in the schoolroom and on Sisko's desk.

[@robball1000]

I really like the version with the deflector dish set in the sphere. That makes more sense to me than when it is mounted on the secondary hull, as the forward hull partially obscures the dish which seems to obvious a design flaw to pass.

[@matthewgross8013]

Also there is a TNG episode that deals with the USS Essex and what they think are her lost crew. I believe the Daedalus schematic flashes on a screen for a moment as the Ent-D crew are researching the USS Essex. Also USS was not used on starship until the formation of the Federation. That was the reason given as to why the NX-01 was just Enterprise and not USS Enterprise.

[@Deth1977]

The size can be determined by figuring out the number of decks in the front sphere and then using that to figure out the height of the ship. one can then use that as a base of unit measurement to figure out the length.

[@Deth1977]

I did a basic calculation assuming each deck is 8 feet (2.44 meters) and seeing the plans as having 12 decks in the sphere section I came to a eight of about 96 Feet (29.261 meters). the length of the ship appears to be about 3.6 spheres which gave me about 345.6 feet. converting that into meters I came to a length of about 105 meters. if I do the reverse calculations for 209 meters I come up with a deck height of about 15-16 feet deck height or 4.84 meters.

[@cadengrace5466]

You might want to allow more height for the decks. We have seen in almost every episode where maintenance is being performed that there is a crawl space between decks for accessing the workings of the ship. If a deck is 8 feet - and I think that is a bot low when you take into account the curve at the bottom and top of a room giving a slight bubble effect and a minimum height crawl space - 4 feet, that is at least a 12 foot deck height. So to allow for each deck and the attendant crawl space below it, that is a 12 foot total deck height. That would create a 144 height on the sphere - 12 decks by 12 feet each that is roughly 44 meters in height. With length being 3.6 spheres that gives an overall length of roughly 518 feet or 158 meters.

[@Deth1977]

you raise a valid point. I was calculating the height based on a smaller deck size due to this being pre-TOS. but I did forget to take into account the maintenance section.

[@ErnimusPrime]

I would have gave it the neck a Connie then the straight out from from the secondary hull. It's cool that we saw this design in the Pastuer class in the last episode of TNG. As well, I thought that Daedalus Class came after the NX class!!!

[@WillPittenger]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the reappearance of the basic shape in All Good Things.

[@grantbetts9123]

Hmm. According to the timeline the Daedalus was built at the very start of the federation. Slowly gathering together. Cheap scout vessels where high on the list(Like they usually are in any build it type computer game) It's probably got really good sensors and is modestly nippy. The warp 4.5 thing isn't so bad if it has really good fuel mileage(It could probably cruise at that speed without refuelling for far longer than NX) 2166-ret 2196. so the feds got 30 years out of them(Well of the 6 that where built a fair few where lost, but then again so where a few constitutions. space is bloody dangerous) Speaking about constitutions 2245 so the Daedalus was gathering dust in a junkyard somewhere 50 odds years before she was a twinckle in her designers eye.

[@davidponseigo8811]

The story you are thinking of is called Star Fleet Year One.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Indeed THANK-YOU!

[@CaptPatrick01]

Star Trek Online features the Daedalus Class as a Tier-2 Science Vessel. I'd like to ration that thanks to its modularity, the Daedalus Class underwent numerous refits since its introduction to keep pace with newer ship designs until finally being replaced by the Oberth.

[@helrod]

the designs was revisited on TNG with capt. Crusher's ship ( possible maybe future) I feel like they showed up in the animated series as well as maybe merchant fleet ships not sure

[@LoganHunter82]

3:00 The refit version of Daedalus class looks awesome

[@commodorerook3797]

I swear I read the Daedalus class is post NX 01, that's why we have USS and a NCC number and daedalus-class ships fought in the Romulan Federation War which didn't happen until the NX Class was retired

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I always like to think that the sphere part could be detached and left in orbit as a research outpost or as the first part of a new Starbase.

[@akihitokoizumi2474]

I believe that the nx-01 enterprise was created in an alternate time created after the movie first contact. There Cockrane saw the Enterprise-E and was inspired by its design of the saucer. In the original timeline he wasn't biased by what he saw was the future design and didn't push for a saucer. Cochrane was said to be influence in is design. That was also why he picked its name. In the Motion Picture the nx-01 was not shown in the list of Enterprises shown to the probe-Ilia. decker said it was all the ships named Enterprise. He wouldn't miss one made relatively recent compared to the others.

[@scotthuska8070]

Akihito Koizumi Actually he said all the ships pictured were named Enterprise, NOT that the ships pictured were all of the ships named Enterprise. Case in point, one of the ships pictured was the United States Navy Carrier Enterprise. The United States Navy has had 7 ships named Enterprise, and is getting an eighth one- the Gerald Ford Class carrier CVN 80.

[@geoffreyjohnston8503]

Commander Cocking's said the Daedalus class only had one engineering deck but the schematics clearly show a lower engineering deck directly under the botanical section

[@jls6779]

The issue with the four different sizes could be that as the class progressed they were able to build the ships bigger and cheaper than when the smaller size was built. That could be a possible explanation.

[@watchthe1369]

The first totally starfleet built vessel as far as I am concerned. A lot about it looks like it is a Model A type starship, appropriate for the era. Remember this ship does not have replicator tech, they would need some sort of plants/ hydroponics. Now it is time to do the Pasteur class...... As far as pedececcor goes, the TV show ruins that.

[@foxpianocovers]

"The NX-01 never existed!"- Tell that to Doug, Capt Foley!! Haha. The NX-01 fits perfectly in Prime Trek's history. I'm fine with with Daedalus being a little earlier in that history. I don't mind the Daedalus itself, although I've never been keen on its secondary hull. Looks a lot like a bottle with a cap on the end of it....

[@RetroBerner]

I hope you guys include the Pacific 201 Daedalus in the final episode.

[@johnbockelie3899]

This is the same class ship that the U.S.S. Horizon was , the ship that visited Sigma Iota 2, that later became the gangster planet. Star Trek TOS.

[@stryletz]

I always pictured Enterprise as a divergent timeline caused by the Borg's attempt to halt first contact. The way I see it "First Contact" wasn't a movie about a per-destination paradox because we see the changes done by the Borg before the Enterprise goes after the sphere. They basically went back to fix things and get the timeline as close to normal as they can.

[@avragetrinidadian3787]

I always thought they came after the NX-class since the Daedalus' were more associated with the federation and the NXs were largely being phased out before the federation formed?

[@mattwho81]

Current thinking is that the Daedalus was about 10 years older than NX and was planned to be phased out. But when the Romulan war started they received a major refit. Their modular design lent well to upgrading and the shipyards could pump out 3-4 new Daedalus for every single NX. After the war the Daedalus continued to fit new upgrades well and soon outpaced the NX performance. NX integrates design didn’t upgrade well, forcing expensive secondary hills to be added. NX soon was phased out while Daedalus simply kept on going, long outlasting ships meant to replace it.

[@greyareaRK1]

Love the Madkoifish Daedalus model. I prefer some of the other Jeffries' concept sketches though. Lots of fodder there.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

Yeah that version looks great

[@WilliamJakespeareProps]

I love this ship!

[@watchthe1369]

I would put a suared off "Weapons Bay" donut around the sphere as a wartime refit on the Daedalus. Maybe even a new Moskova class first, then go to the warp 5 cruisers of the NX Class.

[@mikejhorn]

Love this ship, as well! I like the one with the deflector dish. Seems to me they would have to a hydroponics area in early space flight before protein re sequencing, though in the cutaway you showed l think it looked more like an Arboretum. If you'll look closely you can see a Daedalus Class in the background at Wolf 351 (next to the Millennium Falcon).😜

[@glitterboy2098]

also, according to Doug Drexler, his original plan for the NX-01Enterprise was going to be a version of the Daedalus class, but before he could start the executives sent down orders to just use the Akira model. which he then fought tooth and nail to ensure it got an appropriate redesign to fit the timeframe. (the execs just wanted to reuse the existing DS9 CGI model)

[@nemueargante4574]

i could be wrong but, i always thought the Daedalus class was built during the Romulan war, when the NX class repeatedly found itself outmatched by the Romulan ships of that era... for example the Daedalus had shields and the NX didn't, ... the NX could only polarise its hull

[@thribs]

Isn't the Daedalus Class a Federation ship? That means it's after the NX-01.

[@CRocketSlim]

+Robert Hayes Most registries I see for Daedalus classers are general something like NCC-(three digit number)

[@MrChromeJob]

I know this video is pretty old at this point but A. I love the Daedalus class B. I accept the explanation from "Star Trek the Federation the first 150 years" it puts the Daedalus class post NX class as Starfleet's replacement for the NX after the founding of the Federation. And as Starfleet's first warp 7 vessel.

[@macadoo1588]

If the Excelsior, Oberth and Miranda classes could be built, refit and upgraded for 100 years I think the Deadalus class could have been too. It was a very purpose built, work horse with an adaptable design that was probably cheap to produce and easy to upgrade.

[@smnash82]

I don't understand why the 209m Daedalus wouldn't work. Size isn't necessarily indicative of "advanced". The NX would still be larger at 225m and still be more "advanced" due to the warp 5 engine and other tech. The 80 crew on NX-01 is a pre-Xindi number. I'd even say it was the minimum crew just to get it out of drydock due the race against time in the pilot episode. After the MACOs come aboard, however, that easily boosts it to at least a hundred or more for the rest of the series. WRT the Daedalus, If you put the crew in bunked berthing areas, junior officers and senior enlisted into 2-4 person staterooms, and senior officers in private quarters, you can easily fit over 200 personnel and have room for the hanger bay, cargo, weapons, etc.

[@Anlushac11]

IMHO the Pacific 201 version of this ship is absolutely fantastic. I never liked the classic version of this ship but the Pacific 201 version rocks. Hoping to see a future Trekyards on the Pacific 201 Dadelus refit. The Pacific 201 Dadelus version could easily have replaced the NX-01 and still looked good and stayed within canon.

[@timothyrex8734]

Love the HAL-9000 reference. :) The forward section does really remind me of the Discovery from 2001. Just finished reading that and 2010: Odyssey Two.

[@poseidon5003]

I don't believe that the Daealus class came before the NX class at all. I believe that it was relatively easy to produce starship that earth had to build in large numbers to make a stand against the Romulans.

[@saijex]

A thought on the multiple sizes around 11:50 or so. If you look at the bridges as being an indication of size, (and assuming it isn't a really small one like the Defiant class) I think a size somewhere between 157-209 would seem about right.

[@jaddoc45]

i like how the bridge bridges the gap

[@HeavyArms0404]

mr. cocking's audio is quite rough on this, unusually so.

[@crumb7192]

Some of the Star Trek: Enterprise novels have the Daedalus coming along after the NX-class starship in the Romulan War and were cheaper to build then the NX.

[@gregorywray4484]

they need to make a movie around this ship

[@bpezzano1]

Another great Trekyards episode, gentlemen! The Daedelus has always been one of the classes of star ship that I have always been curious about. I have to say that I really like the NX design. Probably, one of my favorites. People get all bent out shape over the time line. my answer to that is the same as the JJ Verse. It's all Star Trek. As long as the story line is good. And the ships are cool. It's all good.

[@vp21ct]

I wonder if you guys would ever tackle the stuff from Starfleet Museum, they have some really interesting early designs.

[@morkofork]

Didn't Doug originally want the NX-01 to be a Daedalus class until the execs told him to use the Akira class? Thankfully he managed to talk them into using something that has elements of the Akira rather than just reusing the same model.

[@kineticdeath]

maximum cruise sounds like the engine/ships safe peak sustained speed, like a plane today might cruise at mach 0.8 but might have a top speed of mach 2. They could "red line" the warp engines to a higher speed for a short timeframe?

[@bobbobson5595]

kineticdeath more or less

[@dotmatrix7383]

Love the Daedalus Class. The "Conjectural" design is a fan made design which incorporates NX-01 features to the model. I believe it was made by Christopher "Aethernaut" Freeman. Personally for me, this design is the 'true' Daedalus design, which fits the era.

[@dotmatrix7383]

+Dot Matrix There's a nice Ortho on Ex Astris Scientia: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-aethernaut.jpg

[@ironwolfF1]

@@dotmatrix7383 This (linked) design makes *far* more sense, engineering-wise. For the designs discussed in this video the connecting structure between the primary - secondary hulls is absurdly thin given the stresses involved.

[@JEDAI501ST]

I think that I might try to build one of those for Minecraft. A full character size one.

[@foxpianocovers]

Here's a thought: if the main hull can separate and the crew had to make an emergency land (like in Generations) the spherical hull could just keep rolling on the planets surface until it stopped!! Lower risk of casualties. ⚪️

[@InventorZahran]

The secondary hull looks like a water bottle!

[@watchthe1369]

The botanical section is a necessity for oxygen, there is no replicator. The engines in the back look like advanced ion drives? It almost looks like the ship could be made out of 6 or 7 rocket launches worth of materials in orbit or something. No major weapons might be earlier models of ship that used low powered warp to move around the Sol system.

[@JerCrest01]

Do a follow up with the USS Pasteur from TNG "All Good Things"

[@peccatumDei]

+Joseph Roose: Agreed. The USS Pasteur has that spherical primary hull. One would think that Starfleet would employ more than one contractor, more than one "design bureau," each of which would favor a certain aesthetic.

[@jamdarcy1693]

+Joseph Roose Totally agree! I always loved the sphere design as it was such a departure from the saucer design. Also I loved the bridge design, especially the conn station, very intrepid class, which was my second favorite starfleet bridge design.

[@lokisgodhi]

Look at the Intrepid class. Even though the primary hull isn't round, it's deeper, more hemispherical than previous ships. It's a departure from the flatter saucer with shallow upper and lower hemispherical primary hulls we've seen on the Excelsior, Ambassador and Galaxy classes. It suggests a turn towards the spherical primary hull.

[@richardched6085]

The Daedalus Class is an anomaly in Star Trek History. Its my favorite ship because it has no established history. So it can be made into pretty much anything. I use it all the time in Fan-fiction.

[@NewStar40]

I cant find the full photo but I do have it on my ships of the line calendar. But its a pair of Daedalus ships launching what looks like missiles or escape pods while being attacked by two romulan war birds.

[@OpenMawProductions]

+Joshua Dawson I know the one you're talking about. They're supposed to be firing off the so-called "primitive atomic weapons."

[@richardched6085]

Photonic Torpedoes have an explosive yield of 400 Tons MAX. While Reed does say it can create a 2 km crater in an asteroid. All onscreen Appearance points to it being weaker than the First Little Boy Atomic Bomb (15 Kilotons). So the change to Nukes make sense.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

The painting came from a "Ships of the Line" calendar a few years ago. In it, the two ships were launching nukes, not photon(ic) torpedoes. The ENT Romulan War novels also reveal that use of nuclear weapons by both Earth and the Romulans was common. I'm not sure why the continuity nerds seem to think that ONLY atomic weapons were used during the war - Spock's dialogue doesn't indicate that was the case.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

For ship-to-ship combat, photonic torpedoes are better weapons because their destructive power is contained into a smaller effect area. The truth is that atomic weapons would not be a very effective weapon against an attacking ship if it is shielded from radiation. Space-based atomic explosions, while powerful, are not nearly as lethal as they are in an atmosphere. For that reason, it is likely that in the Romulan War, nukes were probably used against surface targets like starbases or colonies or if a ship ran out of "conventional" weapons like torpedoes, phasers, disruptors, etc. Even in TOS "Balance of Terror" you'll remember that using an atomic weapon against the Enterprise was almost an afterthought by the Romulan Commander. The nuke was at point blank range of the Enterprise when it went off and all it did was knock power off for a few seconds, rock the ship, and irradiate some of the lower decks. In other words, a direct hit by a nuke only inflicted minor damage on a Constitution-class ship. I suspect if the shields have been down, the Enterprise would have been destroyed, but that is only speculation. So the assumptions we can make here are: 1) Atomics were one of several types of munitions used by both sides in the Romulan War; 2) Atomics are a better weapon on the ground than they are in space; 3) Even at close range, when shields are up, a nuke has about as much of an effect as a photon torpedo (but with radioactive fallout that torpedoes do not have) on a Constitution-class ship.

[@richardched6085]

Mindcrime Productions Very Valid. Photonic Torpedoes have a Destructive Yield of 3 Gigatons contained in a 400 Ton Explosion with a Variable Yield of Less than a Bullet to the Full Payload. Nukes are terrible at Penetrating as they have no armor piercing characteristics. So a Photonic Torpedo would have more an effect against the Structure than a Nuke that explodes in all Directions. However I bet when they did use Nukes they fired them like Miniguns (Automatic Nukes!) to Blanket the Target with Radiation preventing Shield Usage. A Duratanium Simple Baffle Plate from a Shuttlepod can survive a 0.25 Kiloton Explosion from 30 Meters away. So I bet the NX-01 could probably survive a few Nukes. But an 80 Megaton Nuke would Destroy the Ship With or without Polarized Hull Plating.

[@donaldhill3823]

I was thinking a alternate version could be created by dropping the secondary hull and leaving the Primary Hull, slightly thinker Neck to incorporate the engine room with the Nacelles.

[@gregorywray4540]

hey capt. foley have built the tos ships but with improvements to warp nacelles and some hull improvements

[@CLAIR.L]

I've always pictured this ship being in between the NX-01 and the Constitution in the Star Trek time line. I think starfleet took the saucer design from the NX and the Daedalus secondary hull and came up with the basic design for the Conny

[@jackvonkuehn9038]

Hey, just a thought on reconciling this class of ship with the events in Enterprise. is it possible we could say these were the first exploration vessels built by the Federation? as opposed to the NX 01 which was built by Earth alone

[@shaunhopkins2130]

True from what I remember the nx class where built by Earth alone but after the signing of the federation charter the deadelus class was built

[@GordonMassie]

Yay I've been looking forward to the Daedalus video. :) Although for the past while I've seen it that the NX Refit lead to the Daedalus Class and then when Starfleet could make bigger ships the two classes were combined into the Constitution Class, but that's probably just me.

[@KlingonCaptain]

It can be removed from active service while still remaining in service if it is used as a Starfleet Academy ship. Also, Enterprise is clearly an alternate timeline created by the events of Star Trek: First Contact.

[@Bedwyr777]

This was explained in one of the episodes on how armament tended be missle packs, that phasers and photon torpedoes came after the Earth-Romulan War of 2156

[@vivomega3937]

One or more of the following three things that make it ST canon(for many Roddenberry Trek fans) 1: Produced by Gen himself 2: Follow his timeline almost to the letter 3: not made by jj/prise never happened

[@davidyork7207]

The book caption folly was talking about is "The First Year of Star Fleet"

[@tuscan9617]

Probably should have mentioned the other deadelaous class or bc-304 class, from stargate sg-1 and Atlantis. Of course there is the deadelaous, the odyssey, and a few others that were destroyed by the ori before azguard beam weapons were fitted. Also the Apollo from Atlantis, but we see little of it in the show. Imagine the epic mess of a stargate and Star Trek cross over, sadly it will never happen.

[@thestabbybrit4798]

Fan theory - the NX-01 didn't exist initially, but because of the various meddling with Earth's past we see in TOS to VOY, something changed and resulted in the NX Class.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

Nope. There was no "meddling" in the timeline... the NX always existed. You just never saw it onscreen until ENT. Same thing with the Xindi Incident. It wasn't the result of the Temporal Cold War, it happened in "real life" and we just never heard about it until ENT. No need to make fan theories for something that already has an in-universe answer.

[@this.is.a.username]

would be nice if one of the new shows would throw a Daddy class in there somewhere and canonize it.

[@aerospacecadet9781]

In Enterprise novelization the Daedalus class came AFTER the NX01. The Reason why it was built was it took a lot less time to build. With the Romulan War just starting, the Federation needed many ships as fast as possible. The Sphere hull was much easier the manufacture because all the exterior hull plating had the exact same curvature. The saucer design had less commonality in plating. They still built 5 NX class starships which were used as the lead ships alongside the Daedalus class. The Daedalus was slightly slower because the NX class originally was a technology demonstrator so it had the most advanced engines. In time of war quantity trumped quality so the timeline does work out. Even the hull registry numbers say the Daedalus were built as Federation ships not a United Earth Starship.

[@mclatchyt]

Okay, I hate to be "that guy" but I have to say this: According to "Federation, the first 150 years" the daedalus class succeeded the NX Class as being the "warp 7 beauties" mentioned in "These Are The Voyages" and very few of them, if any, made it back. The U.S.S Essex captained by Bryce Shumar from the TNG Episode "Power Play" among them. Just FYI.

[@melotronv4]

I just want to say thank you to the captain and the commander for providing us great content. I truly enjoy the anticipation of seeing what's next keep up the great work guys. PS for the captain just saw your last captains log screw the haters being them in the open space.

[@phoenix1985]

Dont forget that the NX-01 wasnt on the wall of the lounge in ST:TMP.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

And just because it wasn't doesn't mean that NX-01 didn't exist or that ENT exists in some kind of alternate universe or timeline. There are any number of in-universe explanations (Kirk's collection was incomplete, Picard broke his little ship, etc), but of course the adults in the room all know that it's because NX-01 was conceived of later in the franchise.

[@phoenix1985]

We never saw it in either the lounge or Picard's collection because it didnt exist and the people who created Enterprise should have been smart and picked a different name. Instead they chose to ignore huge amounts of canon to create their own version which is why the show only lasted 5 seasons instead of the standard 7 that TNG, DS9, & VOY all achieved.

[@lucasbachmann]

I wouldn't waste a second trying to fit NX-01 into continuity / design lineage - it's best ignored - it can hang out in the JJ-verse if necessary.

[@SalvatoreEscoti]

I love this special design! I wish there would be such a ship in real!!!

[@JackyTheNerd]

Oh no!! It has a HAL-9000!!! That crew's done for.

[@saijex]

Just read this week that eaglemoss will be doing the Daedalus, I'm really curious to see what design they'll go for.

[@berthulf]

When the Daedalus is mentioned in TOS she is considered a truly ancient design. Less a direct precursor to the Constitution and more Earth's first true manned space exploration vessel. Also, while I'm very much unimpressed with Enterprise, that there must have been other classes of vessel in service before the Constitution is just so obvious it hurts. Good show though.

[@mindcrimefilms5623]

The Daedalus class wasn't mentioned by name in TOS. It was never mentioned until TNG ep "Power Play".

[@jonathanball8237]

It as a beginning feel to it....

[@infiniteflame2374]

I have always been bothered by the fact that the deflector dish is partially obscured by the sphere. That to me seems like a really obvious design flaw that would have been ironed out before it got to this stage. Having the deflector built into the sphere makes more sense, and fits in well with Enterprise, because they have a dish on the front of the saucer.