Trekyards EP215 - USS Kelvin (Part 1)

[@DarthRepublican]

I liked the Kelvin even though I don't usually like single nacelle ships. I like to think of it as a colony ship built to carry a lot of civilians in addition to its Starfleet crew. Throw in manufacturing facilities and a large complement of shuttles in order to build and supply the colony and suddenly its large size makes sense.

[@keirfarnum6811]

That’s the kind of explanation needed for this ship.

[@tlwtobiasrichter]

Wow, you examined my little ship in detail. The model wasn´t quite design to get that close... :)

[@british-sama7007]

Your model is amazing! Sorry for being 3 years late

[@InventorZahran]

When most people say "I fly single-engine", they're usually referring to a small airplane. However, when I say "I fly single-engine", I'm talking about a Kelvin-class starship!

[@SpeedRacer_IRL]

I love the Kelvin, it's one of my favorite ships. There's just something about it that just hits me the right way.

[@KertaDrake]

Just remember, that this one incident of time travel in the movie would have affected all the incidents of time travel from the 23rd century onwards... All that playing around in the 20th and 21st centuries in Kirk's and Picard's lifetimes would have been changed at least a little by all the changes caused in the movie by Nero. Could very well be that the First Contact mess went down, but the Sovereign-class was a bigger ship in the new timeline, which could have influenced Cochrane into saying "Looks a little small..." when looking at new designs for ships early on and then it just loops around so now everything is the mostly the same, but upsized.

[@90lancaster]

I have lots of thoughts about the Kelvin.. 1) I suspect the warp core is located in the nacelle and feeds right into the warp coils with very heavy duty connections a direct feed if you will so all the warp plasma travels through the coils and the straight out the back so that is an exhaust but it's also a heat dump too. 2) So I think said Plasma exhaust functions as a some sort of supercharger on the warp core exhaust system it may even be possible to dump the warp plasma right into the exhaust like dumping fuel in a jet engine to get after burners... so I think that exhaust is a very primitive solution for power issues while at the same time giving you an excellent ability to run like hell . (which the probably could have done really) even if they'd have got chased. 3) I notice there is no windows to speak of in the front of the nacelle either. 4) I think the main engineering hull just contains the deflector and shuttle bay and repair gear - work bees and some minor science labs and maybe an arboretum etc.. 5) So I therefore would say all or most of the weapons and crew quarters are in the saucer. But that is just a guess on my part based on me not looking the official cutaways up first.

[@90lancaster]

In addition : I also notice that the Bussard looks like it opens so if it does it might mean it either has a limited function around the edges. So what are the glowing yellow parts - the main sensor ring (which isn't on the deflector dish) or part of the warp field generator or defence systems or even a forward warp speed tractor for larger objects or to shape the warp field. Who knows.. but my first thought was main forward sensors. it looks pretty much the same as the D's deflector surround. only not on the dish on the bussard. Also it's quite possible to make a bassard that doesn't even look like one or that isn't even in the nacelles at all. Also looking at later/earlier JJ-verse stuff the Franklin has some elements around the bussards that are suggestive of some function to shape the warp field r as extra shield emitter to protect the bussards. The other vibe I get from that glowing yellow is it could be the forward shield grid. I'd be interested to find out one day.

[@avenuePad]

How is this ship not part of the Prime Timeline? It existed before Nero came through the black hole. Anyway, this is one of my favourite ships.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Someone above said their head canon is that the Kelvin is a colony development ship that carries everything necessary to create a new colony; which explains why it’s so large compared to most canon ships and why it only has one nacelle and isn’t set up for combat in the way most ships are. It makes sense to me and would explain why it’s different than other ships. It doesn’t make sense as an exploration ship.

[@SpeedRacer_IRL]

Finally! My third favourite ship of all time! I don't know why it is, but it's just so simple but so, so awesome, love it!

[@Karpin122]

Always thought of it as an experimental class where they built like one or two just to test out the scaling/ test bed. In prime, they don't really work out and are scraped. In kelvin, it gets blown up, star fleet says "oh shit" and builds bigger.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very totally wonderfully very cool and very nicely greatly informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the U.S.S. KELVIN and I myself found it to be a very great design, And I myself own the Hot Wheels and Eaglemoss Die-cast Models of the Ship as well 2 of the styrene plastic model kits by Moebius Models and one smaller resin kit by Federation models as well; Anyways a job very nicely fabulously well done by you indeed Sir's!👌.

[@LokaOwl]

I'd like to point out that the area in the back of the N-cell is actualy supposed to be a radiation vent. While not providing thrust, if you have a glowing element back there representing the venting raidiation then when you go to power up the warp core then exaust vents glow would increase due to an increase in the amount of radiation to be vented. I personaly like the glowing element but I subscribe to the belief that it provides no thrust but simply vents excess radiation and particles from the warp core and coils.

[@DarthRepublican]

Sissy the Snow Bunny I like this idea it reminds me of my childhood fascination with the way a cars tail lights would light up whenever the brakes were applied. As a child who watched a lot of sci-fi, I associated glowy lights on the back of vehicles with thrust so seeing the back of cars light up as they slowed down seemed wrong. It wasn't until I got a little older that I realized that what I was seeing was a form of communication telling other drivers that the brakes were being applied. In other words, the "ape brain" thinks one thing because of what it is used to seeing while a completely different thing is happening.

[@LokaOwl]

Yup, silly ape brain jumping to conclusions as usual. It took the end of "Into Darkness" for me to figure this out, when the enterprise warps if you watch it leaves a trail of glowing dots, not thrust, just light spots from the glow of the exhaust vent. I don't know if that was the intent or not but that's what I took from it and it makes pretty good sense from what I know of how thinks kinda sorta work in space (most is still just theory afterall) ^^ I love engineering things and space has always facinated me, growing up with a trek obsessed father (he has his own tribble) I learned a lot about the known information and fan theory. I look forward to more ship reviews, ya'll have some good theories and discussions here.

[@MrSheckstr]

Sissy the Snow Bunny so the glowing bits are not exhaust but something akin to the Picard maneuver where the same source of light momentarily appears to be coming from several locations at once along a linear plane?

[@LokaOwl]

Theoretically speaking yes, just on a much smaller scale. Physics tells us that light can continue to be seen from a source even after the source has disappeared. By my best guess the reason from the particle "dust" trail instead of a beam is probably due to the warp fields effect on the light photons.

[@markusweiner4432]

Since this seems to bee the JJ-Hater-Zone i line myself up for a "Shit-Storm" by saying: I like the Kelvin! I realy like her! And thanks for geting here Spotlight!

[@power543]

we like her overall too...we try to dissect the design and give it a fair go though! Its our favorite JJverse ship!

[@markusweiner4432]

That is ok. I am not trying to force my Point of view on anyone. It is just..... Smoe times I have the Feeling that there is to much "dissecting" among Star Trek-Fans.

[@Alan1701b]

I like the Kelvin too...although the NCC-0514 bugs me. I just wish it was NCC-514.

[@markusweiner4432]

True. Maybe it was commissioned in a time were Starfleet was smaler, had a refit and was re-commissioned in a time with four-diget Registration-numbers

[@Alan1701b]

Markus Weißner That's quite possible. Nice reasoning.

[@HellsRaven4444]

I always like to imagine that the Nacelle glowing was due to the fact that it was radiating excess energy like heat and radiation away from the ship. And where better to expel such dangerous heat and radiation than at the furthest point away from the main and secondary hull. You can also think of the blue glow as Cherenkov Radiation which can occur in vacuum.

[@timrose9826]

guys the TOS ships were not white... they were a blue/grey color white was not introduced until the motion picture

[@jasonmello7443]

The bridge section looks like the Jupiter 2.

[@Jack_Stafford]

I have an issue with the registry number that starts with 0. Why would you do that? It should just be 514. (As on the Armstrong.) Waste of paint. They wouldn't know at that early time that registries would have 4 or even 5 digits in the future. A zero is a null value so would be the same to name it 00514 or 0000514 and so on. Illogical to include any amount of zeroes as the first digits when numbering things since it doesn't change the value when it's at the beginning. That makes it a nonsensical number. You could theoretically use as many zeros as you want in the beginning and never really change the registry number. Have a happy and safe 002017 everyone! (See?) (I make an exception for the NX - 01 since it's reasonable that they would have assumed they'd have more than 9 ships in Starfleet and gave the first 99 ships two digit registries. However, in the time of Voyager when five-digit registries were issued you would never see a ship with the number 07453 obviously.)

[@valhalen0435]

You could say it was NX then decided to give it the NCC. Also they could say well we won’t change the registry number. I try not to make it a huge deal it served a purpose to push a story. The personal reasoning was a tribute to the director’s relative whom passed on. So I am fine with it my personal opinion.

[@donaldhartmiller6123]

To TrekYards: I loved the J. J. Abrams Star Trek movies and the Kelvin is one of the coolest ships in the movie.

[@donaldhartmiller6123]

Any comments from you is greatly appreciated.

[@sleipnirodin2881]

I second you sir... And before anything... *I DO KNOW* my "Trek" lore. So dont even try people. Donald Hartmiller

[@JimMcCray]

Shouldn't the aft end of the primary hull be reversed (vertically)?

[@DarinRWagner]

My impression while seeing the Kelvin in the 2009 STAR TREK film was that this timeline had already diverged from the prime universe prior to the film's events... as evidenced by the smart window viewscreen ("polarize the viewscreen") and the simple fact that single nacelle starships don't exist in the Prime universe (canonically) and because of the obvious difference in style and technology onboard the Kelvin.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Actually single nacelle ships do exist in the prime timeline. They were seen on screen at Wolf 359.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Em... The Bozeman as it appeared on screen was a Soyuz class ship with two nacelles.

[@joegrimes9232]

Love it. I loved it the moment I saw it. JJ movie critisism aside. Kelvin, I just love.

[@jiat2001]

I want to say thank you for this video. I too had questions as to why the interiors and scale didn't look right. Keep up the good work!

[@AustinFan4Life]

NX is prime timeline, anything that happened before 2233, is part of the prime timeline, especially with how it connects with many different episodes within the prime timeline, of both TOS & TNG. Where everything alters, with the JJverse (or Kelvin timeline), is the events of Star Trek (2009), which created an alternate timeline, but logistically speaking, NX is part of the prime timline, but it's also part of the alternate timelines, as well, because the prime timline & the alternate timeline, share the same space, up until the year 2233, then & ONLY then, does the timeline differ, from one another.

[@Intrepidthegenuine]

NX is not prime time-line. Enterprise is simply a show made by people ignorant of pre-established canon and no apologetic so far presented by its fans can be convincing enough to justify that shows inclusion in canon. The best explanation is that enterprise is a fantasy holodeck simulation that Riker made on the D, and even that assumes riker knew nothing about history.

[@AustinFan4Life]

Genuine_Intrepid The show was run by Rick Berman as it's producer, so to say he didn't know about established canon is asinine. After Roddenberry's death, he's the one had say what is canon & what wasn't. So yes Enterprise is part of canon & recognized as part of the established prime timeline. Remember there wasn't an alternate timeline prior to Enterprise, so therefore, because of the show runners & producers, plus the connections to various episodes in both TOS & TNG, it's part of the established prime timeline. To say it's not is just ignorant of the facts. However, it is acknowledged as having its history as both the prime timeline & the Kelvin timeline.

[@MrSheckstr]

AustinFan4Life it's the same tired argument that somehow NX is not prime timeline because he doesn't LIKE The ENT series... at no point does he EVER point out WHERE before broken bow the timelines diverge thus preserving the aryan purity that is TOS

[@MrSheckstr]

Wah wah wah ..... I don't LIKE ENT so I'm just gonna pout and say it's not prime timeline, even though I never bother to point out Definitively WHERE the timeline split....But I suck the toes of TOS even though it presents such ludicrous plot lines as a salt vampire.... overlooking the salt shaker on the table

[@GyorgyGezaMeszaros-l5i]

I think the round light at the end of the nacelle lights up because the warp core has been set to overload, not because Kirk was going to pull an Admiral Haldo manuveur. If the warp core detonates at the time of impact the damage to the Narada is multiplied exponentially.

[@enterprise-h312]

3:10 “A New Hope” 3:33 The interior feels like a proper reason NOT to have a window. The lighting looked awful. 5:00 That view reminds me of how the Constitution-class was designed to keep the nacelles away from the crew’s living section (saucer) because it could emit harmful radiation. 10:44 The Pogo-paradox theory would seem to suggest that is not the case. 11:45 Not quite, the Saladin has got a longer neck which pushes the nacelle further back. 12:20 That reminds me of the Ranger-class. 15:30 I have the same argument here, push the nacelle further back. It also ceases to block the sensor-dome this way. 23:23 Where does that leave the hydrogen-storage, though? 26:55 That glow makes it look like a candle-stick. 31:23 I think that is a running joke of pre-TNG ships in side-canon with the Insterstellar Concordium surprising the other superpowers by sporting aft-facing weaponry. 32:21 That bussard collector looks like it belongs on the S.S. Valiant or the NX-01 (if it added a spike).

[@vondan6320]

Something you pointed out about the ridges around the bridge looking similar to on the new Discovery model reminded me of , what I thought when i first watched the Discovery preview. With the ridge rings around the bridge the saucer section looks like the blade from a plastic pizza cutter from a takeout pizza. The bridge is the center hub and axle pin, the saucer section is the blade, obviously the modelers are inspired by things on their desk. And now i can see how Matt Jefferies was inspired by looking head on at a rotary drafting eraser or a modeling creaser

[@giftheck]

The Star Trek Nero comic stated that, yes, George Kirk DID engage the Warp Drive when he set the collision course with the Narada. Though the comics, when concerned with the TOS, are of obvious canonical questionability, when it comes to the comics set in the Kelvin timeline, Nero is canon to the film as it was supervised by the writers of the 2009 film IIRC.

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

The collector is much different, because it serves a extra function it collects space hops.

[@mattmon6118]

Captain Foley, I know that you have an opinion that the NX class may not be part of the prime timeline, and I think there's probably good evidence for both arguments, being part of prime or not being part of prime, but I think back to all the time travel weirdness in all the series prior, especially Endgame (Voyager), and I wonder how many timelines actually exist, and the ones we see are all considered prime because they have most of the same elements and are quite close in appearance. And then of course there's the first contact incident and the temporal cold war, and the sphere builders. It's highly possible that Archer and the NX were all part of prime, but the xindi and sphere builders and everything you don't hear about In the other series caused Humans and the federation as a whole to re-evaluate what they had and which direction they should go; enter massive Kelvin, etc. it's very possible you've come to this conclusion already, so I do apologise if any of this is long winded and tedious, but I did want to share this. Thank you Captain Foley and Commander Cockings for the great work that you do. :)

[@a.morphous66]

Matt Mon TL:DR, time travel and alternate universes are wack.

[@donaldhartmiller6123]

to Captain Foley/ Trek Yards: no one human being is perfect

[@crashoverride1000]

I like this ship, kind of a precursor to the proxima.

[@derekrankin7842]

You guys were saying about the warp engine lighting up when the ship was ramming the Narada but what if a small warp field is in operation to augment the engines at impulse.That way the ship would require less thrust to reach and maintain high speeds, this in turn would mean that the engines would need to increase the fields strength and stability resulting in the increased glow from the warp drives. Also the lit up hole at the end of the warp engine may just be a heat went and not a means of thrust.

[@cwallacefilms]

1 thing that bugged me was when the captain went to the shuttle bay: the shuttle bay is at the top... so where did he come DOWN from?

[@matthewleto1180]

I was told that when ILM created the 3D models for all of the ships, they increased the size without altering the hull detail. They did it to make shots more interesting, but the hull detail resizing was forgotten about. The original sizes were around half of what the shuttle bays suggest (ie. enterprise is around 700m, should be 366m)

[@crgkevin6542]

The Bussard collector reminds me of an aircraft radial engine. Particularly reminds me of the FW190's design, with an extra blower to increase airflow over the cylinders. As for the warp core and shuttle location. What about a vertical warp core running through the neck from the bottom of the nacelle, to the top of the secondary hull, but not taking up much length? It'd be very much like the later Refit Connie, but I think it'd work. That'd then leave lots of room for her extensive shuttle compliment. (Perhaps she's a sort of carrier? The shuttles look like they're possibly warp capable, and could be used for exploring various places while the big ship served as a base of operations for exploration. Similar to how the NX class deployed shuttles instead of beaming down, but sending crew to more places at once.

[@AricWilisch]

Enjoyed this episode. With regard to the impulse drive and the things above it. I would guess they are either exhaust manifolds or impulse reactors. Just a thought. Looking forward to more episodes.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

Commander Cockins got it right. At 3:30 - Heh?! Very true. All them folk in that ship escaping in the shuttle craft. The secondary hull looks tiny. Most of the design is just saucer section.

[@victorrubiotrigueros5851]

i dont know, but I love the bridge window. I think that JJ make the kelvin timeline to redesing the ships and to do a different Star Trek story. Please, dont compare it to the prime timeline

[@chrisgurney2467]

Maybe the back glowing bit is like a bow-wave deflecter of some kind? and the Bussard needs extra shielding to compensate for an imbalance in the primary deflection grid?

[@rjay9663]

Not sure if this has ever been proposed, but I like to believe the timeline was first altered in First Contact. This would also explain NX Enterprise, the Kelvin and maybe even Discovery.

[@Baz_R]

Oddities and variations of designs are great. To find out what works, you got to try it and in the case of the Kelvin and Voyager when it comes to their nacelle orientation and quantity, I find it more....human.

[@corranlindsay2629]

Have another theory about one nacelled ships, that they create more of a warp pulse, so that they can go faster than a warp drive, but once you activate it you can't turn or stop. It's more like firing off an arrow. It let Starfleet explore some of the more far out reaches of space faster, but was a lot more dangerous. So the Kelvin needed a lot of shuttles because it would be slung out to a distant star cluster and send shuttles out to explore from there. More of a mobile outpost type of ship.

[@rockstaraz6576]

You Guys are Super Dupper Nerds !! Love it Cuzz theirs 21k Subscribers that Fondly Agree !

[@sleipnirodin2881]

Subscribed a long time ago, not at all "okay" with they're take on the "JJ' time line" and ships.

[@adamlytle2615]

33:43 - In terms of armored bussard collectors being able to function under armor, I would have to assume they're less effective than the traditional glowing red ones, but still serviceable. The cover on the Kelvin class at least looks like it could be opened up quite a bit, sort of the best of both worlds. I like it a lot better than the rotating blade things on the JJPrise, tbh.

[@TalesOfWar]

The styling difference can be easily explained as... well, it just is lol. Look how many different classes of ships there are in modern NATO navies and air forces, many of them designed and built around the same time. They all have a very similar look, then you go to something designed a decade or so later and it's rather different. A modern destroyer like the Type 45 of the Royal Navy is a huge departure from the stylings of the old Type 23's. You'll also get things looking different because they're designed by different companies (or different teams within the same company). I can't imagine that Starfleet would have just one team designing every ship in service. Also worth noting is that even though money isn't really a thing in Star Trek (sort of) they still have to work with limited resources. They'll only repaint stuff as and when if it isn't an important vessel like the flagship, so you could get some ships flying about with "old" livery because they simply haven't gotten around to it.

[@jaywiegs1712]

The Kelvin's Warp Drive was knocked out after the first salvo, so possibly Dad Kirk was engaging damaged warp systems for a breach when he rammed the Narada. So the Nacelle was glowing but could not generate warp..?

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

When does it break. When did the time line diverge? It had to be much earlier for everything to be super sized.

[@coraline7866]

Carter Baker The divergent time line is formed mostly when Vulcan is destroyed in the 2009 film, however, the film includes many elements that are not present in the cannon time line.

[@Heavensrun]

Kinda feel like the bussard on this thing looks more like an actual bussard than anything we've actually seen in Trek before. Usually they just make the bussard scoop look like a sort of glowing dome, but the purpose of the thing is to gather interstellar gas during flight. How is a solid dome supposed to scoop anything?

[@Vorwen]

I'd be willing to suggest that the "nacelle flare" is not Thrust but something like "charged particle exhaust" or something. Or Magic. ;)

[@DrewLSsix]

Liam OBrien. I always thought that was the case in most cases, like starwars ships that always seem to emit something from the "engines" regardless of movement. It could be a way of ejecting large amounts of waste heat that would normally require huge radiators, waste heat is used to super heat a relatively small amount of matter that is then ejected to carry that energy away.

[@Vorwen]

DrewLSsix Precisely. Real-World example: as much as I Want it to, my car's exhaust pipe provides me neither Thrust nor Badass Flames. Woe Is Me! ;)

[@chton]

The glowy 'thrust' bits at the end of the nacelles in JJ-verse always seemed like plasma vents to me, rather than providing thrust. We know warp engines work by plasma being injected into the coils, that needs to go somewhere. Since there are no side vents as in later eras or NX-01, venting it out the back seemed reasonable. That would make sense in the TOS enterprise design too, since it doesn't have any glowing side vents either. It would also explain the trails during movement, it would just be plasma exhaust trailing behind. Thoughts?

[@corranlindsay2629]

I have a bit of a fan theory that the universes diverged with Khan. In the prime time after he is created he is sent to a facility in India, escapes with the other Augments and builds an empire which sets off world war three. In the Kelvin Timeline he is sent to a facility in England where he is trained as a super agent, finds a way to escape, and leaves Earth. So the prime timeline went through WWIII and the Kelvin didn't. If Prime Khan left in 1999 say there was at least 2 years of war that's 1997- 2063 when the Vulcans show up where Earth is basically a Mad Maxian dystopia. That's a 65 year long dark age, that the Kelvin timeline didn't go through and combine that with the Vulcans show up to a much nicer Earth, they are less restrictive in sharing technology, that puts the Kelvin TOS era at a tech level pretty close to TNG hence the much bigger more advanced ships. And explains why in Space seed everyone knew who Khan was and in Into Darkness no one seems to have heard of him. And why the Khans are so different when they shouldn't have been affected by the Nerada at all.

[@thribs]

I think it's pretty obvious that the black hole took them to a different universe rather than just the past.

[@power543]

yep! 100% the case!

[@thribs]

We have the Mirror Universe, this is the Window Universe.

[@DarthRepublican]

Robert Hayes I suppose that Nero's time incursion could have rippled in both directions, changing both the future and the past. If they could make Sulu gay why can't they make the Kelvin big?

[@thribs]

A different universe is a simple enough explanation. I don't know why people keep insisting on it being an altered timeline.

[@FLAME456X]

Hmm Theres not much I can really say about that other than anything that happens and alters the timeline in that universe actualy makes it go by various names. For example in the Kelvin/JJ Verse Its called the Kelvin Timeline universe after the battle between Nero's ship and the Kelvin and after the Kelvin was destroyed. They then named the JJ Verse the Kelvin Timeline after the destruction of the USS Kelvin.

[@jimtilley1158]

Warp thrust: The light might not indicate thrust. There is a lot going on inside the Nacelle. This could be heat or radiation venting, Also when the Kelvin started the advance on the Romulan ship the Nacelle vent got brighter. When under impulse the ship draws power from the warp core instead of the Impulse reactors. The brighter vent could account for generating more power for the shields and weapons, This thing was well armed and had to draw a lot of power. While not shown on screen it seems odd the entire crew has to run to the secondary hull to evac the ship. Couldn't there be in a ship that size emergency evac shuttles in the saucer section and they eject a hull plate and launch out the side, kinda like the Roger Young from Starship Troopers. I mean the had no problem putting 50 or so manual loaded photon torpedo launchers on the side of the Enterprise (SMFH) Size: What if the shear size of the romulan ship is what sparked the larger size ships. This Kelvin could be one of Starfleets largest ships ever for the TOS then the Romulans show up with their massive butt kicker. Starfleet decides to make future ships a lot bigger in response maybe. That's my rationale for the change, Still hate the ships interiors with the brewery and factory looks. The round white halls and the bridges I'mok with then they go into these massive OSHA safety violations for the Engineering parts. The water blades look like something out of Space Quest. I'm ranting now... sorry. But my thoughts.

[@WillPittenger]

You will notice what appear to be windows on the nacelle. So there are rooms in there? Granted, the Galaxy class supposedly had a room at the front part of each nacelle, but...

[@chuc98]

The glowing element at the back of the nacelle glowing brighter as if there's thrust...I never looked at it that way. When the Enterprise D goes into warp the blue grills flash brighter as it's going into warp yet they're not producing thrust either. Also with the Constitution class refit, the blue grill on the inside of the nacelle isn't even glowing at all unless the warp engine is engaged. So...the increase in glow with the JJ Verse nacelle is just a powering up effect IMO.

[@shadowdarter]

The warp nacelle could be the main Inertia damper system as well.

[@Curien247]

question, would the single warp nacelle be big enough for 2 coils to be side by side for a stable warp field?

[@rhrpov916]

Can those lights be some kind of indicators or warning "tail lights" (or signal lights for that matter)? Imagine another ship behind the ship. When it is about to warp (which demands huge energy to bend or warp space), it could be dangerous for anything nearby. Therefore, when the light starts to glow brighter, it is a warning for any other ship[s] to raise shields and/or steer clear, if they don't want to be destroyed by the energy and its consequence[s] as the first sheep goes to warp. What do you think. Can that explanation work?

[@Fieryone233]

I always kinda thought the Glowing Element was just an extra bit to help a single Nacelle design form the Warp Bubble.

[@GabrielGABFonseca]

I love the Kelvin! The Einstein-Class is the best thing to come out of the darned J.J.-Verse.

[@GabrielGABFonseca]

(The interior is kind of bad, though...)

[@deadNightwatchman]

You're right on both.

[@illmade2]

you had time travelers Fing with things back in Enterprise, and obviously there is the mirror universe which means there has been at least one other divergence from the prime, so the question is when did this universe actually split from the prime? and what caused the changes?

[@alexanderrahl482]

For all the people hating on JJ Abrams Interpretation of Star Trek, better deal with it, it isnt the 1960s anymore.

[@MaynardFreek]

What was the warp speeds of this ship?

[@WillPittenger]

I do find it odd the Kelvin has a register number starting with a "0". Was Starfleet already preparing for 4-digit hull numbers (but not 5+-digits)?

[@RaikenXion]

I liked the Kelvin, its one of the few things I felt they got right in the 09 Star Trek, I loved the single necelle, it did feel very early TOS. The bridge also wa very small and felt very retro and early era, but the rest of the inside ship, the engineering looked like a pissing brewery lol, I heard they did film in one haha.

[@commodorerook3797]

I did like the Kelvin, being a fan of the Saladin class Destroyer, and thought she was apart of this class, perhaps as a Destroyer Leader ship.

[@silmarian]

Are those little lights on the starboard side of the nacelle windows?

[@MrSheckstr]

silmarian the presumption is that the nacelle structure also contains extra compartment in the fore end that can be occupied since the warp cool chamber(s) are in the mid to aft end of the structure

[@tylerchristensen7434]

I personally love the Kelvin. Sure it doesn't really make sense to be in the prime timeline but I think it could as it looks like the NX and the TOS. Now it's size is uh... probably bs, but I don't remember the Constitution class being called the biggest (as it was the only starship we saw for a while on TV and prime timeline movies.) or maybe this ship was an experiment as we never see another of its class again. Similar to White Star Lines Oceanic, one of a kind. It's proportions are a bit wonky but I do think they fit the ship design as a normal sized nacelle wouldn't make much sense on such a large vessel, as they covered.

[@andymccurdy5029]

i love this ship this should be the discovery class for the new show the time line adds up as its seen before tos era, if properly made to fit with the prime time line this would av been a beauty to see each episode

[@trekboy02]

Spock went back in time to a parallel universe, obviously. There is no other way to explain all of the ridiculous changes prior to Nero showing up. The whole JJ Verse is not Prime. The only thing Prime was Spock and Nero. You can't turn a blind eye to the obvious.

[@alexthewhale6915]

13:48 if you took off the secondary hull it looks like the apollo class from star trek legacy the video game

[@mattmon6118]

Alex Nedrud the refit one anyway, the break refit one looks like a Saladin (without the top bit). but yeah, right away it's what I thought too

[@jameslewis2635]

It does seem to me that the main problems with the JJ verse are that they added blue glows where there should not be any and they made the crew size twice or more than what would make sense with past Star Trek cannon.

[@MrSheckstr]

James Lewis I explain away the unrealistically large size of the ship and crew than was we assume is standard by believe this is a second rate escort ship that has been overhauled to serve as a colony vessel . The outer ring of the hull (somewhere between 1-3 panels in width when viewed from above) is composed of detachable habitation pods that are either shuttled, tractored, or self guided down to the surface and about 50-75% of the topside tubular hull detaches to serve as an orbiting station for the colony. This remainder of the vessel is now minus about 30-45% of is saucer hull volume with a pod atop of it holding just the deflector dish with a smaller Shuttle bay for only a half dozen or so shuttles and perhaps it dozen even have a main bay but just a cargo bay for each shuttle in a 2x3 configuration. This would explain why the captain would have to ascend to the top of the pod... Traverse aft... And the descend back down to board a shuttle in order to leave the ship. Those six shuttle "lockers" do not open out into the main colony shuttle bay at this time. Perhaps there are not even shuttles currently being stored there but consumable stores with the ship's shuttle temporarily berthed in the colony pod

[@isfj1009]

Here we go :)

[@Hapokas112]

Awesome.

[@dtsnyder66]

I think it released drive plasma out of the nacelle because all other propulsion systems were down. So its conceivable that's all the glowing end is for.

[@Defunct231324141]

Am I the only one who couldn't get away with the uncircumcised collector?

[@GabrielGABFonseca]

If I had to guess, that Bussard is a cap-less Bussard. As in, maybe that's what the Pre-TOS bussard component looks like _inside_ the domes? Pure speculation of my part, though

[@Ccs4646]

Hey Stu, if I make a Patreon donation significant enough to put a nice dent in the equipment cost, will you to start uploading in 1080p or 4K?

[@ikbalcemuzik]

hey guys I watch the show everyday love the work you gentleman do . I know you guys do a lot of ships perhaps I missed it but did you do the uss Rhode island ? from endgame

[@Trekyardswebseries]

IGGY WIGGY Yes. Episode 144.

[@heidiatwood6569]

I have a problem with the bottom it looks like the aliens ships from the oral independent day

[@hanneswalter9856]

Well the ship looks like it has the right size with the hangar door etc. but if you see the interieur with the multiple shuttles at the base it´s just tooo big inside

[@jacobvaughn9276]

it's simple quantam mechanics, cause and effect in star trek, ECPECIALLY when it comes to time travel, doesn't always happen in a linear fashion. it's more like ripples in a pond, and easily accounts for the changes in the pre kelvin ship design.

[@TheSuperSnake313]

Is that a window on the Armstrong??!

[@H4hT53]

Might also be that the nacelle is not just a nacelle, but also the engineering space.

[@power543]

Thats what i theorized yes!

[@Ken19700]

The things above the impulse engines look like heat vents to me.

[@CaptRobertApril]

This ship is a prime example of what happens when you try to make Star Trek with people who don't know squat about Star Trek, and you compound that idiotic judgment call by banning anyone who DOES know anything about Star Trek.

[@Persian-Immortal]

Brilliant!!! The studios have always hated Star Trek.

[@DarthRepublican]

CaptApril I've heard this argument a lot but I think that it is generally overblown. Read any 1990s era interview with a writer or actor involved in TNG. I dare say that 60% of the time the interviewee would say that they were never fans of the original series. It happens a lot in Hollywood. Actors and directors don't always choose their projects based on their childhood experiences and it's silly to rake them over the coals for not being steeped in the lore of every franchise that they choose to join based on the fact that they are doing a job. While the fact that the Kelvin's nacelle does not follow Star Trek continuity is interesting, it is ultimately a tiny part of the finished product which must be judged on the whole of its merits. Personally it always drives me crazy when Voyager or Enterprise talk about deuterium because it is a real thing with known properties which neither show ever seems to get right. It bothers me even more since they almost always use deuterium in much the same way that TOS used dilithium which is fictional and can be assigned whatever properties the writer requires. Were the Voyager and Enterprise writers being disrespectful of TOS and of the intelligence of their audience? I think so. But does it destroy my ability to enjoy a particular episode of Voyager or Enterprise? Sometimes it does, sometimes not. It all depends on on how well the episode as a whole is executed. That's the standard I've always used to judge Star Trek and it will remain the standard which I use to judge Star Trek no matter who is in charge of it and how well they know and respect Trek canon.

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

movie producers don't have to know everything about an existing francise universe, but they have to pay respect to it! that is jar jar abrams problem (and don't use a factorybasement for the interior, man!)

[@MrSheckstr]

Roberto Castillo as far as the Deuterium issue. Perhaps is possible they are using a word to describe a new element of some sort? Remember this is 3-5 hundred years in the future correct? Go back to the time period between 1500 and say 1830s and you will find technical terms in the frills of sciences and industry that would Baffle your average person today. Heck look at all the terms invented during the computer era and how they would confound someone from a few decades ago during the transition between the Victrola and the wireless

[@DarthRepublican]

That kind of twisted rationalization is exactly why the dueterium issue drives me crazy. Dueterium isn't some obscure concept which no one understands. It is a fairly well understood isotope of hydrogen which is being used in the same manner as if it were a made up thing.

[@deathdragonsoul]

is it still prime time line with the mess from the enterprise show. ps i loved the show

[@adamb3210]

Wrong "Captain" the Original series warp nacelles Did have thrust, after the Enterprise refit, with the vertical warp core; then the nacelles no longer provided thrust (other than Station keeping thrusters).

[@donaldhill3823]

I will say that the biggest thing JJ got wrong was the insides of the ships. Even at the scale he used for the ships exterior, the inside should not be so huge. ... I do not think they meant to imply thrust with the glowing part of the nacelle. I think it is just showing us the mater/antimater reaction. Seems odd that you did not like something glowing on the Nacelle when you seem to harp on how the Nacelles should have lighted parts and what color they should be all the time. Never really thought this was something we would see which is why I like the TMP version the best. However if there is going to be glowing bits on th Nacelle then seeing it at the back makes as much sense as it does in the Bassard collector or along the sides. I also do not see how the Kelvin is fundamentally different (not following the same progression in design) in design from the JJ Enterprise. Both are grossly bigger then they should be and while they have differences they are no more then you would expect going from one to the other over 20+ years with out a divergent time line. JJ for me works better as a reboot even if they do not wish to admit it.

[@Kainlarsen]

Could be that the engines were charged to overload.

[@sulphurous2656]

Have the ship in the original Ryan Church concept art with the proper colors. Have a correct interior and flesh it out. Secondary hull on the top for shuttles and cargo. Middle part of the nacelle under the neck contains the main engineering section. Have it assigned as the Iowa class light cruiser or frigate. Mission profile for colonial seeding, survey, and resupply. Fixed!

[@jadendesveaux7452]

The whole shot with the nacelle powering up and the ship moving I wouldn't have a problem with it at all if instead of the nacelle it was shot next to the impulse engines because then it would make sense

[@captainzac24]

I always try to explain the Kelvin issues by saying her line was a sort of experiment by starfleet. In the prime timeline it turned out that the Kelvin class was unsustainable in the long run so changed design philosophies. In the JJ timeline I figure they just used the data from before the ship was destroyed.

[@JuliusReedRPGFanboy]

Do Jupiter class Carrier next!

[@jordanreed3675]

What i know about the kelvin It has both pulse and constant beam phasers Has approx 800 personnel Top speed i believe to be Warp 6.9

[@S1nwar]

when i saw the movie the first time i assumed the nacelle had the same size as the 2. hull just to make it symmetrical. guess not.

[@samronin1141]

I don't mind the Kelvin exterior design in general. She echoes a lot of what was known before. Although once you do begin nit picking a lot of it does fall apart. Alas that is true of the Kelvin timeline movies as a whole. Personally I am still stuck in the paired nacelle mindset and would much rather see a variant of the Starfleet Command(Battles) Akula class Destroyer. Which had no secondary hull but the two nacelles one above and one below. As to the Kelvins interior and gaffs like taking a turbolift down into engineering and the shuttlebay... yeah... pretty inexcusable. Doubly so with CGI. Once they had settled on a design it should not have been too difficult to flip that and have him ascend to the shown shuttlebay area. I can't help but think that too many people in the production spent too long savouring the wares of the brewery. As to timelines and where it fits within them. I believe Simon Pegg said something to the effect that the temporal disruption may not only ripple onward from the Naradas impact, but could affect events prior to it as well. To hand wave some aspects of Beyond. However that contradicts all previous shown effects of time travel in Trek. Especially if using the TNG multiverse theory that sees Worf create a bunch of different futures resulting in that pocket full of Enterprise D's from alternate realities. Not just Prime and Mirror.

[@jaywiegs1712]

If the Kelvin is the size of a Galaxy Class, wouldn't that bridge window be 2.5 decks high and around 15-20 meters wide?

[@power543]

see...now you understand the problems with her haha!

[@jaywiegs1712]

I like the ship and don't mind the size for it being a long range hvy exploration vessel. Just don't understand why all the NU trek ship windows are not scaled down to match the size increases?

[@MrSheckstr]

power543 simple solution.... What ever the official dementia (dimensions but the misspell is intentional) the actual size of both the Kelvin and the JJPrise are actually relative to the TOS constitution class and any scenes that inflate those measurement are poet license on the part of the film makers akin to scene from the movie 300. We can just be grateful they didn't span paint abs on Christopher Pine for his obligatory shirtless scenes

[@jaywiegs1712]

steven heckert So you are saying the Kelvin and JJprise is about the same size as TOS Cony? I thought the Kelvin was 655 meters / JJprise 725 meters / and the TOS Constitution 289 meters. Unless that is not what you meant?

[@MrSheckstr]

Jay Wiegs I'm say that regardless of whatever the "official " dimensions might be the only way to Acceptable assimilate Star Trek 2009 and it's immediate sequels is to IGNORE the official dimension of the Kelvin , Enterprise, and Vengeance and presume the saucer dimensions of the Reliant, TOS constitution, and Excelsior. What annoys me most about the 2009 and into the darkness beyond trilogy is there was no reason to make such a radical change to the ship exteriors and internal sets. They could have just as easily kept true to the original designs and simpler expanded the details unavailable to 1960s television and 1970 early 80s movies. Instead we have a giant flying pizza cutter, a devils threesome sex toy, and a battle bagel. Say what you want about some of the more ridiculous character and plot lines in SW ep 1-3 and 7 and now R1 when it came to designing capital ships, escorts, fighters and other vehicles they took great efforts to showcase original triology vessels in greater more dynamic detail and established a logical evolution of design to those vessels predecessors and descendants

[@CommanderMouse72]

Why is its registry NCC-0514, shouldnt it just be NCC-514

[@brownsupahero]

Kelvin is prime timeline. It destruction changed the timeline.

[@kineticdeath]

if scaling is an "ongoing" issue with star trek then perhaps when comparing other franchise ships to trek those other franchise ships arent so far out of whak?. I was watching you guy's video of the B5 omega yesterday and comments were being made about the 1k crew in a trek ship which was almost 1/3rd the size of the same crewed omega. Maybe then the problem stems from someone somewhere making a number misprint which caused a cascading effect. Trek ships might be to scale but the ships could be, for a random example 500m long instead of 300. That then would make things fall more into line? As well as make things like teeny tiny shuttle bays suddenly become actual full size bays?

[@marsm9]

Crew numbers don't go hand in hand with ship size. Why do people insist on correlating ship size with number of crew? The Ent D could hold up to 15000 people and something like 4000 comfortably. but only had a crew of 1k. The B5 was bigger and had the same amount of crew. So that means the ships have to be bigger or smaller? No it means that's all that ship needed. Just because you have the seating for 5 or 6 in your car doesn't mean you drive around with it full of people all the time....

[@kineticdeath]

marsm9 honestly that would merely reinforce my point, if the enterprise d could hold 15 times as many occupants but its stated to be less than half the length then something is wrong because the Omegas from B5 were not ever designed as troop haulers. They were straight up ships of the line, the ones that did the front line ship to ship work. B5's earthforce had specialised troop transports all im trying to say is maybe its not that theres anything "wrong" with the actual designs, i mean its safe to say that the trek ones have been carved up and scrutinized like few others, ever. But a simple scale up of a couple hundred meters would suddenly make most (but not all) features and sizes much more realistic and workable in a relative scale. a ship capable of moving 15000 people would suddenly become much more realistic, a shuttle bay thats 2 levels high would suddenly become more believable in the shown space or even a little shuttle bay would become more believable. and on the flip side, a larger ship from an unrelated series with less crew suddenly becomes more apparent. yes the omega is lower tech and it has heavy lumbering fusion engines but they show, they are huge but at the same time one drive unit is still going to be the same size as a trek nacelle. different tech different everythings but the size scale seems off. thats all im trying to say.

[@marsm9]

I hear ya. But you also brought up something that adds to my point. The B5 has less sophisticated tech that takes up FAR more room. And as these guys always say, trek stuff is just so compact compared to a lot of other universes ships. It could be there is just so much more room. I think they mentioned it in this episode...a 60's computer compared to and Iphone 6. Plus I'm not sure you really do understand the scale of these ships. The ent D is 642mx463mx195m. The Nimitz class aircraft carrier is only half that length and not nearly as broad and carries around 5000 crew. Who knows how many could fit on the B5. But as you said old space hogging technology plus not a lot of livable space in that design.

[@marsm9]

If I'm not clear, I'm arguing the fact that you want to up size the ships because you do not feel there's enough room for that many people and keep tying size to people. I'm trying to show you that there is far more than enough room. Maybe the B5 needs to be down-scaled? As you said Trek ships are far more scrutinized than mostand it seems unlikely after all this time they would be...what did you say? A couple hundred metres too small? It seems more likely the B5 would be wrong.

[@MrSheckstr]

kineticdeath question: I'm trying to follow this conversation but I have to ask... What is the B5?