Trenbolone Is 7.5x More ANABOLIC & 4.1x More ANDROGENIC Than Testosterone | Dose Is The Poison!

[@VigorousSteve]

09:43 - TYPO CORRECTION: Human 90kg; 3.31mg to 4.22mg Tren Ace SubQ Daily, or 23.17mg to 31.76mg Total Weekly (not 81.76mg) Citations: Kochakian, C.D. (1946) The Protein Anabolic Effects of Steroid Hormones. Vitamins & Hormones, 255-310. doi: 10.1016/S0083-6729(08)61085-7 Full Publication; sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1016/S0083-6729(08)61085-7 Hershberger L.G., et al. (May 1953). Myotrophic activity of 19-nortestosterone and other steroids determined by modified levator ani muscle method. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, 83:175-180. doi: 10.3181/00379727-83-20301 Full Publication; sci-hub.zidianzhan.net/10.3181/00379727-83-20301 Kochakian, C.D. et al. (January 1st, 1976) Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology. Vol. 43, Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids. ISBN-10: 0387077103 & ISBN-13: 978-0387077109 Purchasable Here: amzn.to/3ZvLrb0 Vernon, B.G. et al. (November, 1979) Protein turnover in rats treated with trienbolone acetate. British Journal of Nutrition, 36(3):575-9. doi: 10.1079/bjn19760112 www.bothonce.com/10.1079/bjn19760112 Wilson, V.S. et al. (December, 2002) In vitro and in vivo effects of 17beta-trenbolone: a feedlot effluent contaminant. Toxicological Sciences, 70(2):202-11. doi: 10.1093/toxsci/70.2.202 www.wellesu.com/10.1093/toxsci/70.2.202 Ashby, J. et al. (April, 2004) Testosterone-stimulated weanlings as an alternative to castrated male rats in the Hershberger anti-androgen assay. Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, 39(2):229-38. doi: 10.1016/j.yrtph.2004.02.001 www.bothonce.com/10.1016/j.yrtph.2004.02.001 Freyberger, A. et al. (June, 2005) Evaluation of the rodent Hershberger bioassay using three reference (anti)androgens. Archives of Industrial Hygiene and Toxicology, 56(2):131-9 hrcak.srce.hr/file/274 Hotchkiss, A.K. (January 15, 2007) An environmental androgen, 17beta-trenbolone, affects delayed-type hypersensitivity and reproductive tissues in male mice. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A, 70(2):138-40. doi: 10.1080/15287390600755091 www.wellesu.com/10.1080/15287390600755091 Owens, W. et al. (May, 2007) The OECD program to validate the rat Hershberger bioassay to screen compounds for in vivo androgen and antiandrogen responses: phase 2 dose-response studies. Environmental Health Perspective, 115(5):671-8. doi: 10.1289/ehp.9666 www.bothonce.com/10.1289/ehp.9666 Freyberger, A. et al. (September 24, 2007) Evaluation of the rodent Hershberger bioassay: testing of coded chemicals and supplementary molecular-biological and biochemical investigations. Toxicology, 239(1-2):77-88. doi: 10.1016/j.tox.2007.06.093 www.tesble.com/10.1016/j.tox.2007.06.093 Moon, H.J. et al. (May, 2009) OECD validation of phase 3 Hershberger assay in Korea using surgically castrated male rats with coded chemicals. Journal of Applied Toxicology, 29(4):350-5. doi: 10.1002/jat.1418 www.tesble.com/10.1002/jat.1418 Yarrow, J.F. et al. (June, 2010) Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity. Steroids, 75(6):377-89. doi: 10.1016/j.steroids.2010.01.019 www.tesble.com/10.1016/j.steroids.2010.01.019 Yarrow, J.F. et al. (April, 2011) 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate. American Journal of Physiology-Endocrinology and Metabolism, 300(4):E650-60. doi: 10.1152/ajpendo.00440.2010 www.tesble.com/10.1152/ajpendo.00440.2010 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (October, 2011) Hershberger Assay OCSPP Guideline 890.1400. Standard Evaluation Procedure (SEP) Full Publication; www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-07/documents/final_890.1600_hershberger_assay_sep_10.6.11.pdf McCoy, S. et al. (October, 2012) 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) preserves bone mineral density in skeletally mature orchiectomized rats without prostate enlargement. Bone, 51(4):667-73. doi: 10.1016/j.bone.2012.07.008 www.tesble.com/10.1016/j.bone.2012.07.008 Llewellyn, W. et al. (October 1st, 2017) ANABOLICS 11th Edition. ISBN-10: 0999062107 & ISBN-13: 978-0999062104 Purchasable Here: amzn.to/46LRYA1 Browne, P. et al. (October, 2018) Development of a curated Hershberger database. Reproductive Toxicology, 81:259-271. doi: 10.1016/j.reprotox.2018.08.016. Epub 2018 Sep 8. Full Publication; sci-hub.zidianzhan.net/10.1016/j.reprotox.2018.08.016

[@johnthomas4868]

Man, I really appreciate the thoroughness in which you do your content, particularly in providing all of the links for the papers that you cite.

[@karolgawerda6699]

10:32 you got a major dosage typo at 90kg. Thank you for your work.

[@thelikebutton4405]

All in favor of building a marble trenbologna statue of Steve, our steriod daddy, say 'Aye'.

[@JonathanJoestarJuicefest]

Aye

[@BlueSTI]

Seems like the updated anabolic rating is alot more accurate. Not sure about 5x more anabolic then test like we all use to think. Great video Steve💪

[@Yalashaska]

Imo it is that much anabolic. Test water weight makes it seems more potent at times but that's not contractile tissue. I'm currently on about 500mg tren e and a very low Test dose and my body composition is getting so much better I can see changes it daily

[@BlueSTI]

@Yalashaska that'd be awesome seeing daily changes. I'm just a wuss scared to try tren lol

[@mikep932]

​@@Yalashaskanah... It only seems that way bc the cosmetic changes are so drastic but it's temporary. That being said methyltren is my absolute favorite lol. Two weeks and I look like a different person 😯

[@AustinWeger]

Glad you’re doing well Steve! Glad to hear you were not releasing videos for a few days because you were just putting so much work into this one. Been microdosing tren acetate for a few weeks now on top of my test and I can definitely tell the difference

[@maxtaylor1597]

Hey Steve, as you’ve probably seen Connor’s recent videos, I’m in shock anyone could ever do that, not only to Leo but to someone who has passed. I don’t expect you to even comment on it but I would love to see him completely shut down now if you even remotely have that capability. I feel like I’m a fan taking this personal and shouldn’t be but Leo changed my life and if I could do something, I wish I could. Sorry. It just infuriates me to my core. Any way, hope you are well and thank you for everything you do. Sorry I’m just so angry and don’t know what I can do

[@philnj7302]

MENT at 2300 anabolic is crazy but I do believe it. It’s so strong even at a relatively low dose.

[@Howardlifts]

Mentos, the swole maker! 😂 I grew like a pig on that shit.

[@arielbenitez98]

But sterilization? Don’t ppl use it for birth control

[@philnj7302]

@@arielbenitez98 if you're worried about having kids you prob shouldn't be taking anabolics

[@dansmith9724]

Lipolytic rating of a steroid is new to me. Does this mean its comparing fatloss from testosterone to fat loss from tren?? I didnt think testosterone caused direct fatloss??? If tren has a 300% increase in fatloss compared to testosterone, 300% of nothing is nothing🤔.

[@thorrorman]

Just received the book yesterday. The timing could not be better

[@AlfaRomeoVolante]

10:30 there is a typo for Human 90kg, 23.17 to .. 81.76, I think the correct value is 31.76.

[@loganwolv3393]

A bit off topic but do you know the PED that people don't often think of as a PED? SSRI's, these give me the motivation and pure will power to push myself in the gym, it's like caffeine, but the energy lasts for like 2 days instead of a few hours. They give me a level of confidence just like in my childhood before discovering computers. Crazy stuff.

[@Ziplomatic]

Which one did you try out in particular?? I'm curious to start experimenting!

[@Script_d3v]

@VigorousSteve I think it’s time for a Vigrous Steve Anabolics e book of your own

[@LeeDaHitman]

Watching this video as i'm currently micro dosing tren primo and test. Good stuff Vigorous Steve

[@iiyyxxnn]

That sounds amazing

[@ruebenbaca6301]

How much for “micro” Tren? 🤔

[@iiyyxxnn]

@@ruebenbaca6301 Depends on your response, I'm not allowed to say the doses I respond to without being attacked lol so id recommend the lowest dose possible that you can inject with insulin pins to start with.

[@iiyyxxnn]

@@ruebenbaca6301 Also highly depends on how pure your tren is it seems.

[@ruebenbaca6301]

@@iiyyxxnn I’ve listened to all of his videos on this, and I’m going to say hypothetically 5 mg would have a clinical dose on cattle tissue way less than humans have the discipline to do. 🐄

[@barrie888]

lots of work shows in your high quality product Steve.

[@JOEY_TREN]

You’re the best Steve ! I’d say we don’t deserve you but we been knocking about in the dark for ages lol no pun intended

[@DanielPekic]

Thank you for this well thought and researched video Steve.

[@buuddha77]

@VigorousSteve at 10:38, it says 90kg human is 23.17mg to 81.76mg, I'm assuming this is a typo?

[@antma1908]

Let’s go Steve! Thanks my enhanced mentor

[@ktrain420247]

When im on test and nandrolone no side effects at low dose when i add tren I get acne all over my body.

[@novasmith]

@@ktrain420247 double 19NOR

[@BodyNutririon]

Hey Steve Big Fan from India. Just a quick question should i continue taking creatine after i continue of going on test 500 only cycle ?

[@dylanpippin6954]

I wonder if oral tren can be made into a transdermal gel to avoid liver toxicity and how much it would take to be effective🧐

[@TCY.Coaching]

Very much appreciate the effort you, and in this case Dr. Dean St. Martin, go to put these together 🙌

[@seanlewis4544]

Seems right with the experience of use. Few hundred mg of test and I gain body fat with a few cheat meals. 90mg tren per week with trt dose test and I can practically eat whatever I want and still get leaner. Crazy drug that can work wonders if respected and ran low 💪

[@CoachedByRoland]

I always used tren at 30 to 50mg/week, tuns out I used it coretley! Thank you VigosourSteve 🎉

[@Biolo-G_KJ]

Honest question but why would you ever use that? Why not simply use testosterone combined with hcg or something. Why use tren? The side effects are so high I honestly don't understand why anyone would use it.

[@CoachedByRoland]

@@Biolo-G_KJ it is grate at nutrient partitioning and it's grate ani-catabolic compound. Also the strenght and the look it's amazing. And not everyone has the same side effects. It's individual and dose dependent.🤝💪🏼

[@ReprogrammingMasculinity]

@@CoachedByRoland great*

[@cw9721]

Great ICP reference 😅

[@Viriyascybin]

THE ALGORITHM IS ON TREN

[@Noah-hq5rs]

Whats this about test prop only being active at 10mg to 20mg a day? Also brother Steve is really twisting my arm on running some tren.

[@davekennedy6315]

Llewelyn needs to put out a new Anabolics book! There are numerous pro hormone/pro steroids that are sold here in the UK that have never featured in any Anabolics books (at least not the 3 that i own anyways?) Plus it'd be great to have an upto date version as 11th edition is 7 years old now.

[@chrisjenkins6915]

If you guys are injecting tren every day or every other day how are you injecting it.. what size syringe are you using.. reason I ask, I been seeing ppl say they subcutaneously inject but it’s usually with testosterone. Wasn’t sure if could do tren the same way ..

[@jessebrown1400]

I was under the impression that trenbolone does not interact with 5a reductase so I don't understand where this androgenic effect of prostate enlargement would be coming from? As well it doesn't interact with the aromatase enzymes so where the oestrogenic effects are coming from is also in question and for quite a long time and still never clearly or convincingly explained.

[@xXJeReMiAhXx99]

Buddy are you kidding me? 5a is not a receptor, its an enzyme that converts one compound to another. Tren inherently is androgenic

[@f4ucorsair153]

Interesting. But couldn't one get similar effects of anabolism and lipolysis by using a little anavar and GH, alongside test? What extra beenfits would running a very low dose of tren over a low dose of anavar give? I did run a little tren ace few years back, when I managed to get my hands on it. 2 occassions, one time ~75 to 100mg a week for 4 weeks (12.5-15 daily) and the next time 45 mg (15mg 3x a week) also 4 weeks. That was all I got hence only 4 weeks. Similar dose of test both times, around 200mg. First time was noticeably better, and almost grew by the day. 40-50 a week I honestly wouldnt even bother. It was akin to running 10mg Var daily, a tad more over just test maybe. Var also is better preworkout. May be beneficial long term, but I dont think any of us watching thjs channel woulf like to be on either tren or var long term. PS: Tren also raises hgb and hct more aggressively than test from my experience. Even at a low dose it does have a pronounced effect.

[@evilshogunmaster]

I have been running 150mg. Test, 100mgs. Deca and 50mg. Tren e for almost 10 with no break

[@flintsrevenge]

Nandrolone gives me way worse insomnia than Tren. Weird.

[@altar1102]

You da Man broooo🙌

[@johnthomas4868]

Damn! I was hoping you were going to show us magnet math, bro!

[@Chuck-U-Farlie-l5b]

So would this mean that Test isn’t really necessary when taking Tren?

[@h9hkk6155]

IMHO tren is more potent than test, but now way near 5x or more. From personal experience it's at most 2x. And at 50mg tren per week - wouldn't even notice it 😂😂😂😂 at 150mg/week - barely noticeable 😅

[@LethalPromotions]

Brilliant, thanks.

[@envesful]

Where does everyone get their gear, I have been searching and don’t really trust these sites

[@robram6587]

Try SST, and look for the top guys on there. Thank me later.

[@44SWAGNUM-MAGA5]

theres so much trren around wonder if its even real half the time

[@redheat66]

brilliant

[@troy3423]

50mg Tren E/wk and 250mg pregnenolone BID. Backfill dem pathways, minimum water retention. the new TRT? probably not

[@Morphix86]

💯💯💯💯

[@Guns2411]

Get the Welsh name correct 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@ForLegalReasonsThisIsAJoke1]

Wales and Albania win coolest flag 😎

[@dradeel]

I want to be 90 kg with over double the upper weekly tren dosage. 😁👌 Jk. I assume that's supposed to be 31 instead of 81 mg?

[@mariusbendiksen163]

What everyone wants to know is how trenbolone works on the human prostate.

[@lolwtfbbq111]

It's not that androgenic in my experience.

[@xGorillaMikex]

Im no scientist but it sounds like it doesn't

[@liamstephennaidoo]

7.5x feel like shit🤣🤣

[@davekennedy6315]

Its William Lew-ell-in its a Welsh surname.

[@JACKWILLIAMS-j1n]

Hi Steve, my friend has put me onto you as he said your page and knowledge is great. I was wondering if you can help me please. What would be the best PED for me to take? I don’t want to look like a body builder, I do want to put on some muscle and strength but I’m also running a marathon this year so I’m running twice a week to train for that. Hope you can help me, keep up the great content

[@ShreddedGains]

TRT test + 200-300 eq/week. You won't blow up with water weight and your endurance will be improved. Add in some CoQ10 and you'll be set.

[@omega383]

FDB VC 💪

[@Serbinderbintine]

Engagement

[@monster32991]

90kg, 23.17 to .. 81.76 sure about that? xd

[@Vsevolod_PB]

31, 76 mg

[@JJOV00]

💯x more 💎 hard Double 💪 than last week to dose up the algobolone for the best YT-channel ever. |•|o|°|

[@Portuguesewolf]

W

[@NoCredentialsNeeded]

Tren is for cows 😄 haha

[@tugitime]

You have got no humor

[@JonathanJoestarJuicefest]

0.25mg of tren enth per week is an absolute joy

[@BeefyMcHugecock]

First. FTA baby! 💪