James White REBUTTED on the Virgin Mary (w/ William Albrecht)

[@shlamallama6433]

Hey Trent! Your debate with James White helped bring my friend on the journey back to the Catholic Church. Keep going! God bless.

[@aidanhenninger3471]

@Eucharist Angel Please do a favor for all Christians and follow the teaching of Jesus and love your neighbor as yourself. If you do not wish to act in a kind way, at least conduct yourself in a civil manner. Thank you

[@aidanhenninger3471]

@Eucharist Angel Where did I say you were sinning in your rebuttals? I didn't. In your insults, however, you do sin as your attacking people with Ad Hominem instead of countering their arguments with fact. Your obvious lack of maturity is off-putting. I was not trying to intimidate you and I do not understand how you could possibly get that from what I said. When Jesus rebuked people did he insult them? You blow things way out of proportion, therefore, making your arguments ineffective as you're straw-manning. In my previous reply, I did not seem angsty in the least. Please cease your insulting and straw-manning. You act conceited while you think it's zealousness. The writers of the epistles were not without sin so your point is null and void. If you think insulting someone will convert them then you're sadly mistaken. Love is the way to go. Good day sir.

[@crobeastness]

@Eucharist Angel he said "helped" meaning it could have just been the first stepping stone in making the final decision. a moment that took him/her down a rabbit hole. shlama did not say his friend ONLY became catholic because of that debate. yet again, another protestant who has a trouble reading and jumps to conclusions.

[@rosiegirl2485]

@@aidanhenninger3471 Very well said! 😊

[@aidanhenninger3471]

@@rosiegirl2485 Thank you

[@cactoidjim1477]

#JamesWhiteMadeMeCatholic

[@zelie1155]

I wish I could like this comment twice

[@BornAgainRN]

#JimmyAkinMadeMeProtestant

[@zelie1155]

@@BornAgainRN How so?

[@fredarroyo7429]

@@zelie1155 same way James white made the original poster Catholic I guess

[@stefanielozinski]

The crossover we didn’t know we needed! William is the best.

[@danmorales7480]

He’s intelligent, but the mental gymnastics he can go through to remain Protestant is astounding…. I mean the evidence is overwhelming…. The Catholic Church is the first Christian church founded by God made flesh.

[@stefanielozinski]

@@danmorales7480 James you mean? Agreed. It breaks my heart. Please keep praying for the conversion of Dr White!

[@danmorales7480]

@@stefanielozinski yes, my apologies, William is great!!

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@danmorales7480 Yeah, dude seems like he's playing for keeps! 😤😤😤💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻✊🏻✊🏻🙌🏻💯

[@sherwindique8518]

Albrecht is a beast when it comes to defending Marian doctrines.

[@renzothesonger5411]

@Eucharist Angel oh of course you are here.

[@jasonanderson3460]

@@tony1685 Come to a Mass and see us Catholics kneel in worship our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as he is made present in the Eucharist and gives himself to us. There you will see the love we have for our Savior. It may give you a different point of view about us.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@Eucharist Angel As Christians, we ask Mary to pray for us because we understand she is in heaven with our Lord. Now why pray to Mary in the first place? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us. Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And yet they have no problem asking others here on earth to pray for them, instead of simply and solely praying to Jesus on their own. Indeed, St. Paul says that God grants blessings “in answer to many prayers” (2 Cor. 1:11). And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16-18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in heaven? Given their heavenly perfection in Jesus, which would include perfection in charity and thus concern for their brothers and sisters in Christ on earth (see 1 Cor. 2:12-26), we should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus the Lamb (Rev. 5:8), and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven. In this light, we see that the saints-as faithful disciples of Jesus-are his collaborators, not his competitors in interceding for us. Consequently, because Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence (see Luke 1:28, 38), we should not be surprised that she is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@tony1685 **”The resurrection hasn’t happened yet.”** I can refute every assertion above but this one is the most humorous & honestly quite sad. You claim to be Christian? Sounds more like a nonbeliever to me.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@tony1685 My mistake, I got lost in your commentary, you are referring to Jesus’s second coming. To refute your 16th century Protestant doctrine. Several Bible passages offer implicit evidence that Mary was assumed into heaven. Both Enoch and Elijah were assumed into heaven (Heb. 11:5, 2 Kgs. 2:11). Also, in Matthew 27:52-53 one can read about saints whose bodies left the grave after the Resurrection of Christ. The early resurrection of these saints anticipated the rising of those who die in faith, all of who will be assumed one day to receive their glorified bodies. Belief in the assumption of Mary is simply the belief that God granted her this gift early, as he appears to have done for others in Matthew 27:52-53. The Scriptures also promise that those who suffer with Christ will be glorified with him (Rom. 8:17), so it is fitting that she whose heart was pierced through her Son’s suffering would receive her glorification in a unique manner. Paul calls Christians “God’s co-workers” (1 Cor. 3:9), and there was no co-worker of Christ who was linked so intimately in the work of salvation as was Mary.

[@Michael-yl9rl]

Dear God, guide, protect and bless this man Trent, one of your best Catholic Faith Defenders! Amen.

[@augustinberishaj]

Pray for James White’s return to the Church 🙏

[@T_frog1]

Return? I don't think he was ever Catholic

[@mr.molina8008]

@@T_frog1 I thought he was an altar boy

[@augustinberishaj]

@@T_frog1 My point was to pray for him to join the Church!

[@thepsalmist4677]

@Eucharist Angel How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

[@fragwagon]

@Eucharist Angel come back home! Jesus is waiting for you in Adoration and holy communion.

[@TheEdzy25]

James white does a lot for ppl converting to catholicism 😅. Even his own sister.

[@BornAgainRN]

When this was brought up during his debate against Steve Ray, Ray was completely silent that a close member of his family converted from Catholicism to Protestantism. A bit hypocritical. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH_CgZtuYqqbaNE

[@Doug8521]

If James White is not in the Bible, then I don't believe him

[@leonardobarbieri1292]

😂😂😂

[@amandagauthier-parker1399]

This is the only argument against Sola Scriptura that anyone ever needs. 😆

[@pistum]

What would you do if you did not find the Bible in the Bible?

[@gicraft6461]

@@pistum then the whole theology of Sola Sciptura blows up. It is unbiblical

[@sabinavargo9347]

Thank you so much for defending Our Lady. One of those videos I'll have to go back and listen to again.

[@fragwagon]

Albrecht is not to be trifled with! Love watching him on R&T.

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

He's definitely a beast for sure, but his association with Shamoun has turned me off multiple times.

[@Justas399]

William does not exegete Scripture for his claims. He likes to go to church fathers who do not speak for the church nor are they infallible.

[@weinschelbarretto3263]

Agreed!

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@@Justas399 lol, he does both.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@Justas399 Nor is James White infallible in his interpretations! I trust the Church Fathers any day over James White in their interpretations of Holy Scripture! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@raphaelrobles8104]

I feel bad. It seems like James White is so deep in his reformed values that nothing can possibly refute them in his eyes. Saying a Hail Mary for him.

[@fortunefaded3983]

What can we do when he has already made up his mind. We better face it.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

White is married to his tradition, and he is a man with a personal vendetta against the Catholic Church. I don't know if his sister Patty's conversion to Catholicism is what started it or was a result of it.

[@raphaelrobles8104]

@Sir Isaac Newton Trent offers an argument. He is not simply offering the Infancy Gospel of James as evidence because he wants it to be true. He gives reasons as to why the document is significant. I haven't seen the video in a month, but that's how Trent rolls. One can at least admit that the existence of the Protoevangelium of James shows evidence that early Christians had beliefs/traditions about the Virgin Mary that align with Catholic Church teaching and make sense within the context of Church teaching. Even if it isn't sacred scripture, we see the belief about the virginity of Mary very early on in the history of Christianity.

[@fortunefaded3983]

@@Emper0rH0rde James White's tradition is a masturbation to his own ego and narcissism.

[@danmorales7480]

This is borderline Calvinistic, never give up hope! The Lord is more than capable of bringing him home to HIS church!

[@Howsoonisnow2009]

William is the best. He’s been doing apologetics forever as well. He was one of the first to take on and confront sedevacantism *sorry for posting this twice

[@Jared-cm2wv]

So let me get this straight. Mr White believes that our Lord can enter a locked room...but he doesn't believe this same Lord could be born without harming His mother?

[@LauraBeeDannon]

I don't think ppl should put limits on God.

[@finalfrontier001]

@@LauraBeeDannon Jesus was not god when he was a baby.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

@@finalfrontier001 yes he is and was and always will be, you silly.

[@ninaluz8710]

There are some that just won’t no matter if He sends a dead man back to tell us I know which face I want to see when I “cross the river Jordon” “Unless you eat His Body and drink His Blood” you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven In the Natural World our birth is registered, we’re ‘catalogued’ “Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven”. Therefore by Baptism we are immersed into the Passion & Resurrection of Christ “ registering” our Name in The Book of Life. Pray for the Conversion of poor sinners🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Bashcutter]

@@finalfrontier001 LOL what? The Word became flesh.

[@EvansSecret]

I love how gracious and supportive William is. I feel like Trent spends so much time solo discrediting/debating nonsense, that it’s nice to see him being appreciated while he does it for a change !

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Very true! They make a great tag-team duo. I'd love to see them go up against White and Durban(sp?).

[@MathWithHeather]

Great video- love this format for rebuttals!!

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

I made this about the Mary cult and what things in the Bible they are being based on and were deduced from. And about the stuff they talk about as history. And about the stuff caholics believe in and protestants dont. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3rXnJ9nZ51phdU

[@Emper0rH0rde]

James White: "I can't fathom how Mary can give birth to Jesus and remain a virgin, therefore it's not possible she remained a physical virgin." That's like saying you can't fathom how a man can rise from the dead, therefore the resurrection didn't happen.

[@duckymomo7935]

That’s because it isn’t You conflating Mary to the Holy Spirit Your logic makes no sense

[@Emper0rH0rde]

@@duckymomo7935 Literally nothing you said makes any sense.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

@@duckymomo7935 literally gibberish

[@sgodbacolod5407]

just because james white could not fathom doesn't mean he is right... if you think he is his own pope then so be it... i just could not imagine how people can believe his interpretation over some other pastors...

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Matt Dillahunty lost some weight and dyed his beard, I guess!

[@everydaycatholic8030]

When I was a Protestant I was going all over the place with doctrine, I was looking for what was true. I used to really like and follow James white. But my search for truth and the Holy Spirit lead me home! Thank Jesus Christ for His true Catholic Church!

[@KristiLEvans1]

Feelz. Ok

[@samuelaguilar9668]

False teachings of Roman Catholicism kzbin.info/aero/PL_hX1yntQEcGeZ23jr0dnrnfoEbAM0W2G . I am glad I left it! Can't imagine many people here still practices false teachings. It is better to leave Roman Catholicism and its practices!

[@H_da_6.5]

The Devil is a liar!!!

[@StringofPearls55]

@@H_da_6.5 James White is wrong on just about everything, but I wouldn't call him the devil.

[@mikejames303]

​@@H_da_6.5that's pretty harsh to call James White the devil. I agree he is a liar, but come on.

[@weinschelbarretto3263]

William is the best! Where the R&T watchers at?! 👇

[@sxnorthrop]

Please do more with William, he's awesome

[@marcokite]

prayer of St Maximilian Kolbe; 'O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you, and for all who DO NOT have recourse to you, especially the enemies of the Church and those recommended to you.'

[@WhiteChocolate74]

@Eucharist Angel then what's with your name?

[@saw9485]

@Eucharist Angel I pity you. Hope you come out of the 15th century Protestant cult.

[@doktorenko]

@Eucharist Angel What's scripture if not read by the light of its author, the Holy Spirit? are you judging us or are you speaking on behalf of God the Holy Ghost? in the former, your judgement would fall upon yourself as no one is just before God; in the second, you seal your prefigured idea in the wax of pride concerning Christian Tradition. Do you also deny jewish tradition? It was not the cause of the jewish's wickedness, for evil will alone brings about death. Look at Judas of Kerioth for example, see how much light he had, and his downward descent towards the abyss due to his evil will. An example that served in the manifold manifestations of the power of Christ in his ministry was the exorcism. Under the obligation to say it, the devils were compelled to tell the truth of Christ: that he was the son of God. Now, in these dire times when many sheeps have left the shepherd, these instances still persist. I have personally witnessed two of them that prove the power of Mary's intercession and the power of the rosary on the devil. Were the words of genesis 3, 15 uttered by God in vain? "I will put enmity between thee and the woman. He shall bruise your head, and you shall strike his heel." Who is this woman that _will_ reveal this enmity between the sons of light and the sons of darkness? "And your own soul a sword shall pierce, that the thoughts of many hearts be revealed." said Simeon under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to her, Mary, most Immaculate, for "thou art all fair, my love; there is _no_ spot in thee." (Sacred Canticles 4, 7) Besides, "a tree is known by its Fruit" (Luke 6, 43), therefore if Jesus Christ, the fruit of Mary's womb, knew not the corruption of the sinful bodies, so did Mary not also experience the decomposition of the body - albeit not through her _own_ power, because Christ resurrected by _his_ own power and not Mary - and was assumed into heaven with her body and soul. To get back on track, what did the two previous prophecies say exactly? Mary was the woman awaited to put enmity between her sons as seen in the beloved disciple, the sons of God; and the sons of the serpent, Satan and his devils. How can this be done? by the sword of sorrows which is to reveal the hearts of men, which is co-redemptive at heart with the redemptive work consummated by Jesus Christ, for "to what can I liken thee, that I may comfort thee, Virgin Daughter of Zion? thy wound is as deep as the sea. Who can heal thee?" (Lamentations 2, 13); and indeed, Mary means litterally _Mare amarum_ , or bitter sea. It is a shame that one would insult the Queen of queens as you did, hiding under the bad influence of instigators who teach you hatred instead of love, for who can deny the queen seen by David to be Mary: "At your right side stands the queen, wearing jewelry of finest gold from Ophir" (Psal. 45, 9)? or who can deny the mystery of loving this living House of the Lord: "I have loved the beauty of thy house, says David, therefore take not my soul away with the wicked" (Psal. 26, 9)? If David longed for her thusly with greater confidence of her powerful intercession than the most Catholics nowadays, why should you deride her? by what power have you conceived to trample with your arrogant feet on the honor due to the Mother of God? Consider these that I wrote, I used both evidence through demoniacs under the compulsory imposition of the Divine Spirit to acknowledge the mystery of Mary conqueress of the serpent, and scripture to defend Mary, my Queen. Lastly, I remind you that "everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that any murderer does not have eternal life abiding in him" (1 John 3, 15).

[@doktorenko]

@Eucharist Angel It is true that we will find out truth on judgement day, but it will be too late then. God provided the means to know before that dreadful day which your hatred causes you to eagerly call for it, as you wish us Catholics to be damned, and not saved. You think that we are wrong and that you are right; yet even if you were right in assuming so you would be wrong as you have an evil will enticed by the devil, and contrary to that of our Saviour, which is to save souls and pray for them. Why do you thus hate catholics? did someone perhaps mistreat you who were catholic? Tradition explains scripture without shadows, and it is fair that the whole of scriptures reveals the Divine plan of God to save mankind. But what have we done to this gift?

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel But you're the one telling us the bible doesn't mean what it says when it says the Eucharist is the body and blood of Jesus, that baptism now saves us, that we are justified by our works, that we should hold onto the traditions that are passed down...

[@grond21]

The real question is, does William think Trent is making a great point? I wish he would be clear on this

[@RicardoReyes]

William Albrecht? Clear the evening of sleep to watch and thumbs up before hitting play

[@nicholasolsen4634]

awesome stuff, William is definitely part of the Marian doctrine defender all star team

[@marcokite]

Hail Star of the Ocean!! Ave Maria!!

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@Eucharist Angel lololololololoololol

[@josephzammit8483]

Brava! Continue to praise the Virgin Mary! Only the devil and his followers are annoyed with these praises. They try to quote the Bible to prove their point. The devil quotes the bible as he did in the temptations of Christ. In heaven we shall see the heavenly glories that the Most Holy Trinity has bestowed on her. On account of this I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel Dude, you literally call yourself "Eucharist Angel", and your complaining that people are giving honorary titles to a woman that scripture says should be called blessed by all generations. What gives you the right to glorify yourself, and prevent others from honoring the Mother of God?

[@rosiegirl2485]

Wondering why my comment was removed! I guess my Catholic opinion of @Eucharist Angel was unacceptable! 💠

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel "Your priest prays for one to fly the sacrifice on the altar to the the throne room at each Mass." No, they don't. You literally pulled that out of your ass. Do you feel stupid now, knowing how ignorant you are of the thing you spent all afternoon critiquing?

[@KristiLEvans1]

This is truly remarkable. I’m scraping my jaw off the floor. Guys, we have to face YHWH with what we believe!

[@buckwomack997]

If you pray a rosary today, please prayerfully consider to include Mr. White in your intentions. But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, (Matthew 5:44)

[@cactoidjim1477]

"There's no amount of Logos Bible software that can help you..." [28:25] Verbum on the other hand...😁

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

Lololololol

[@ajamusic7322]

Love Verbum! Its keyword search engine is amazing!

[@jonhowerton2537]

Love Verbum, the treasury of scripture knowledge is so helpful.

[@amandagauthier-parker1399]

I am lost on White's point of Mary's virginity being affected by giving birth. If she never had sex, she is a virgin. Period. Giving birth, whether painful or not, has nothing to do with it.

[@amandagauthier-parker1399]

Pain-free birth is fear-free birth. A woman who trusts completely in God to support her in labor and birth will not have the same experience as a woman who is afraid.

[@josephzammit6396]

You're right! Besides, Jesus was born in a miraculous way, the way he rose from the dead: Jesus resurrected while the tomb stone was still in its place. Then the angel came and removed the stone. I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him.. Thank you..

[@ondacross5253]

The best evidence for Mary’s perpetual virginity and her sinlessness is knowing who God is and how He defines holiness. To deny this belief is to say God would let Jesus come into the world in a sinful gateway. God is so holy that even touching the Ark led to a man’s death though he was trying to keep it from falling. The Old Testament defines God and how He defines holiness.

[@crobeastness]

Protestants believe Mary was a virgin when giving birth to Jesus but that she had sex with Joseph after that.

[@grantgooch5834]

That's a big misunderstanding of the death of Uzzah. He wasn't killed just for touching the ark, but for not following numerous commands. First, Uzzah wasn't a Levite. Only those of the Kohathite branch were permitted to carry the ark (Numbers 4:4). The ark was to be covered by the shielding curtain, a durable leather cover, and blue cloth, not carried out in the open (Numbers 4:5-6). The ark is only supposed to be transported by its carrying poles, and only be Kohathites (Numbers 4:15). Carrying the holy relics of the tabernacle by oxen was explicitly prohibited (Numbers 7:9). So Uzzah, 1. Wasn't a member of the proper family, Num. 4:4 2. Didn't have the proper coverings to transport the ark, Num. 4:5-6 3. Didn't transport the ark using it's carrying poles, Num. 4:15 4. Was transporting the ark using an unclean animal in a manner that was explicitly prohibited, Num. 7:9 5. The holy things weren't supposed to be touched (Num. 4:15) or looked at improperly (Num. 4:20) or you would die. It's quite a bit more complicated than "Uzzah touched the ark, so he died."

[@ajamusic7322]

@@grantgooch5834 those are all good observations of what Uzzah (and David and the rest of them really since they were all together) violated that led to his death. It still remains, as you mentioned in point number 5, that he did die because he touched the ark. 2 Samuel 6:7 "and God smote him there because he put forth his hand to the ark"

[@daddada2984]

What Mary is sinless? So Jesus is not only perfect one? Jesus & apostles are lying... God dont rely on the gateway.. He don't rely on anyone, He is I Am. Is Mary a irresponsible mother? She lose in the temple Jesus.

[@josephzammit6396]

I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him.. Thank you..

[@jendoe9436]

I find it amusing sometimes how some Protestants will say how powerful and grand God is and how wondrous his miracles are. Then when it gets to the idea that Mary remained ever virgin and wouldn’t have a painful labor, it’s all “that’s impossible cause she’s human!” Well duh, that’s why God chose her and where Jesus got his humanity from. Healing the lame, curing lepers, raising the dead, no problem. Allowing the mother of our Lord to experience a pain-free birth, IT’S UNNATURAL and GOD WOULD NOT ALLOW IT! In my opinion, I could totally see Joseph not sleeping with Mary partly from the implication she was a consecrated virgin, he probably had some form of celibacy, and the dreams he received. When God tells ya your wife is gonna be the mother of His son and there’s various signs and wonders pointing to Jesus’s extraordinary nature, why would Joseph even think he want to stick himself there?! He knows the Torah, he knows holy things can’t be touched by unholy things, so it’s obvious he would have abstained from the act.

[@Justas399]

Matthew 13:55-56 is proof Mary and Joseph had sex and from that they had children after Jesus was born.

[@jacobzanardi1930]

@@Justas399 did you not watch the video or something? Is this your first time coming across the concept of Mary’s Perpetual Virginity?

[@jendoe9436]

@@Justas399 No it doesn’t. They could have been Jesus’s cousins or step siblings if Joseph married before. One needs to look at the original text and understand how Jewish viewed their family members. It also doesn’t prove Mary having other children because Jesus entrusted her to the Apostle John. Any of Mary’s “other children” would have been bound by tradition to care for her, even her step children in some instances. The fact no one came to take her with them once “the disciple took her into his home” means either there were no other children, they didn’t care for their own mother (thus bringing great disgrace on them), or Jesus purposely insulted them by having essentially a stranger care for his mother. Obviously, the last two make no sense so the absence of blood siblings is the only solid answer.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@Justas399 Michal had no children UNTIL she died, ( 2 Samuel 6). You are right! This is PROOF that Michal had children AFTER she died! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@josephzammit8483]

You're right! Devotion to the Virgin Mary is a great sign of perseverance. She is the Mother of God. I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

[@borrburison648]

Trent Horn you should review and critique "GabeTheStreetPreacher"'s videos where he tells Catholics they're going to hell and calls Catholics idol worshippers in front of Catholic churches and priests.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

Seems like a waste of time? Do ppl take him seriously?

[@yokson4869]

@@LauraBeeDannon Idk but his videos on Catholicism do have a huge amount of views

[@michellea9857]

I would debate the Last Reformation anti-Catholic dude, he’s get millions of hits and is pretty influential amongst pentecostals and to some evangelicals

[@colepriceguitar1153]

Well he’s right about the idol worship.

[@jeremias-serus]

@@colepriceguitar1153 Icon =/= Idol, Veneration =/= Worship. All four are different terms. Worship is to praise something as the Lord himself, veneration is to regard with respect in some fashion, in Apostolic Christian thought it as well means that you respect those who are also in Christ but have passed from this world. An idol is something that you take to be God or multiple Gods, but is not actually God himself. This could be money, sex, television shows, nowadays many people all over the world have many idols. To many people, getting money is the end-all-be-all in life, which means that to them money is their God. That's an idol and that's what the 10 Commandments specifically tell us not to worship. Icons are physical representations of things that we venerate. We aren't praising the physical item, but the concept behind the item. A picture of your family and you when you were a child is beautiful not because it is a piece of matter, but because of what that piece of matter represents. God specifically commands men to make such icons in the Bible, see the Ark of the Covenant with the icons of Cherubim et al.

[@juanisaac5172]

From Brazil I have seen ex-evangelicals tell of how the Virgin Mary appeared to them asking them why they persecute her. Of course Mary cannot appear to everybody but those stories are there.

[@1Peace]

The Catholic Church is the most beautiful Church on Earth. As a "Protestant" I can say that, from at least a modicum of experience. I have listened to Catholic Radio for years and years. I truly miss Father John Corapi. The Chaplet of Divine Mercy with Father Benedict Groeschel & Simonetta is *!!AMAZING!!!* We do not have *ANYTHING* like that on our side. But, could it be my precious brothers and sisters in *CHRIST* that so much of the external and aesthetically pleasing appearance of the Catholic Church has gone from decorative to dogmatic? (Matthew 24:1-2) We both believe in the Virgin Birth of *JESUS* to Mary. The Death, Burial and Resurrection of our *LORD* and *SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST* Even though we may disagree on certain things, I know that the Catholic Church has and preaches the True *GOSPEL* ". . . I can't do it alone (I can't do it alone) but, I can do it with *YOU* (you) . . . I can't do it alone (I can't do it alone) but, I can do it with *YOU* (you). . . take me with *YOU* on this journey, warm my Heart, make this real for me. . . I can't do it alone (I can't do it alone) but, I can do it with *YOU* (you) . . . ."

[@ytsniffer]

25:11 William says the early church Fathers say that Mary had a pain free childbirth. How can Revelation 12:2 be Mary then because it says the woman was pregnant and cried out in pain during labor?

[@oldgreg6977]

The pain of watching Jesus suffer on the cross

[@PeskyWabbit.]

William "what a great point you make there" Albrecht

[@stooch66]

Trent- a perfect game in baseball is when no runners get on base. Just picking a nit. But this is a perfect video, except for that one flaw.

[@charbelyoussef604]

He also does a lot of work with Sam Shamoun. Both great guys.

[@aadschram5877]

Brothers in arms with Erick Ybarra

[@J-PLeigh8409]

If we as Catholics are to hold to the blessed Mother not having birth pains from original sin, then what do we w/ Rev 12:2 ? I know it seems to have dual imagery but would appreciate this being touched on & explained, as its clear per ESV She was pregnant, & was crying out in birth pains & the agony of giving birth. Thanks & peace

[@bigtittie7295]

She is the mother of the Church (Christ) and is giving birth to him, but she is crying in that verse bc the Martyrs (her children) are abt to be killed and persecuted by Satan on earth. Shes weeping for us.

[@Laura-dz9om]

Is it me or do people of Calvinist persuasion really dislike the Catholic Church?

[@annakimborahpa]

1) In Book IV, Chapter 18, n.1 of The Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin states, among other things, that: (1) the Pope is "the Roman Antichrist" and (2) the Mass, center of Catholic worship, "offers the greatest insult to Christ." Pages 873-74 at: www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/Calvin%20Institutes%20of%20Christian%20Religion.pdf 2) Consider the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith and the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, both of which were composed by Calvinist English Puritan divines. Chapter 26, Article 4 of the latter, which adds to and thus completes the former's wording, reads: "The Pope of Roman Catholicism cannot in any sense be head of the church; rather, he is the antichrist, the man of lawlessness, and the son of destruction, who exalts himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God. The Lord will destroy him with the brightness of his coming" (alluding to 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9). founders.org/library/1689-confession/chapter-26-the-church/ 3) The preceding quotation is from an updated 21st century English version of the 1689 original by the Founders Ministries of Southern Baptists headed by Tom Ascol and Jared Longshore.

[@daddada2984]

Bible also dislike catholicism.

[@annakimborahpa]

@@daddada2984 In the Bible, Paul in 1 Timothy 3:15 writes: "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." (NIV) biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-15.htm 1) dad dada, please pray tell, what "church of the living God" is "the pillar and foundation of the truth"? 2) Also, which church assembled the books of the Bible, the New Testament in particular, and declared them to be the inspired Word of God? 3) In conjunction with #2 above, there were numerous writings purporting to be scripture written after the time of Christ. Which church (A) determined what writings were scripture to be included in the New Testament canon and (B) what writings were not? Many thanks in advance for your answer.

[@daddada2984]

@@annakimborahpa amen to 1 tim 3:15. Are you saying catholicism is the pillar & foundation of the truth? Is there truth in anti pope? Evil pope? Corruption for sex, money, & power? How about false doctrines? Indulgence? Inquisition? Idolatry & mariology? Silence in holocaust? Pedophilia? Killing of children? Too much for pillar & foundation of truth. 2. There are many councils, as some history say it more organic, cause so called church father are that have full authority like we see in pope other religious leaders. You can see it history... but remove your catholicism lens.. If you still consider its the catholicism, then even them is so late, remember what happen in 1870 AD? 3. Which church? Plenty, in the time of apostle John 7 is already in asia minor. Some basic criteria: Apostles or a colleague Orthodox Teachings Relevant Widespread or Longstanding

[@annakimborahpa]

@@daddada2984 1) OK, you didn't directly answer my three questions, particularly with regard to your original comment about the Bible and Catholicism. However, since you mentioned the term 'church father' in your most recent comment, how about Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, who lived 130 - 202 AD? He was born in Smyrna, Asia Minor and was a disciple of Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, who was a disciple of John, the beloved disciple of Christ. Irenaeus is generally referred to as an 'apostolic father', a term applied to those who either knew the apostles or knew the apostles' immediate followers. 2) In Irenaeus' work commonly referred to as Against Heresies which was composed in 180 AD, he writes in Book III, Chapter 3, Article 2: "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority." www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm 3) For emphasis, permit me to repeat in BOLD lettering the last sentence of Irenaeus quoted above: "FOR IT IS A MATTER OF NECESSITY THAT EVERY CHURCH SHOULD AGREE WITH THIS CHURCH, ON ACCOUNT OF ITS PREEMINENT AUTHORITY." 4) Again I ask you, (A) which church is "the pillar and ground of truth" that Paul refers to, (B) which church assembled the New Testament writings and declared them to be the inspired Word of God and (C) which church sifted through and declared what writings were scripture and what writings were not? Can you provide a specific answer, dad dada? Since you can state unequivocally that the Bible dislikes Catholicism, it should be quite easy for you to tell me which church the Bible does like.

[@dynamic9016]

Very insightful conversation.

[@fortunefaded3983]

James White is not always right though. But he does make valid points.

[@MrGoodwell]

Please try and dialogue with Gad Saad. He's super intelligent and reasonable, but he has a skewed understanding of orthodox theology. He's an atheist, but he's definitely worth dialoging with.

[@l21n18]

Why?

[@MozwGamer]

Dialogue is gay.

[@Zematus737]

You can't reason with someone about faith when they think they don't have a soul. Such people are insincere at best, offensive at worst, only digging themselves deeper into the avalanche of abuse they heap on to themselves in the eyes of God.

[@davidgamboa9567]

I totally agree with Trent Horn. Very good points!

[@jon6car]

Logically what reason is there for a Calvanist to reject the perpetual virginity of Mary or even her sinlessness? If there is a such thing as irresistable grace and she was called Kecharitomene (one who has been and will continue to be graced) why would she sin?

[@jon6car]

@Eucharist Angel why bother commenting then?

[@jon6car]

@Eucharist Angel You're gonna lift me from a coma without lifting a finger?

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel He literally asked for an explanation and you're not going to give it to him because... he hasn't tried to find an explanation?

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel But he did try, he asked a question. You could have answered his question, and he woukd have learned. Instead, you decided to not give him an answer. You're the one being lazy here. The supernatural drink passage was 1 Corinthians 10:4. You cited that verse but you gave a completely different verse. Read my mind? Your the one that cited the passage. You're original comment read: 'Well the word of God refutes you, "thinking about men ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN" (1 Corinthians 10:4)' I simply quoted the verse you cited, which does not say what you said it does. You mixed up your prooftexts and didn't bother to check.

[@jon6car]

@Eucharist Angel Logically I don't see it. If you have an explanation your free to give it, or not either works for me.

[@zarki-games]

At around the 33:20 mark, a light fixture fell down and shattered right in front of me. None of the glass hit me, but it missed by only a couple inches. What do I make of this?

[@ryanocomment373]

"That's a really good point you bring up there Trent"- William Albrecht, 2021.

[@alexwarstler9000]

I am a Protestant (high church Anglican), but I deeply appreciate your defense of the Blessed Mother. Thank you, Trent!

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@benjaminw309]

At 9:22 Albrecht asserts that Origen did not base people’s belief on the Protoevangelium. In Origens commentary on Mathew book X ch 17 he states “They thought, then, that He was the son of Joseph and Mary. But some say, basing it on a tradition in the Gospel according to Peter, as it is entitled, or The Book of James, that the brethren of Jesus were sons of Joseph by a former wife, whom he married before Mary. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honour of Mary in virginity to the end, so that that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word which said, The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow you, Luke 1:35 might not know intercourse with a man after that the Holy Ghost came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. “ It seems that Origen did in fact claim the belief was based on the Protoevangelium of James. Docetism is a Gnostic belief and I don’t get why it is being distinguished. The idea that Jesus did not truly have flesh flows from the dualistic beliefs of Gnosticism. But perhaps I am missing your point there. It’s perfectly valid to call something Gnostic that is based on Docetism. Further, the idea that Jesus appeared instead of being physically born certainly would fit within the Gnostic belief system. After all, Jesus’s flesh was illusory according to the Gnosticism. This is why he didn’t leave footsteps when walking in the sand according to Gnostic texts. I mean, do you claim that Jesus appearing instead of being physical born isn’t consistent with Docetism? Is it DEFINITELY Gnostic? No. But you certainly can’t discount it simply because it’s not as clear as some other text or doesn’t say it the way you think a Gnostic text would say it. What we have here is a text which makes false assertions about its authorship (seeing that you accept it being a second century text), has anachronisms, consistent with Docetism (whether or not it originated from it), claimed to be the basis of certain Marian beliefs by Origen, and also rejected by notable figures within the church.

[@joelancon7231]

Calvinist kids hymns Jesus loves me this I know only if I'm elect though, arbitrarily assigned, to the damned or the benign Jesus might love me! Jesus might love me! Jesus might love me! That's what James White tells me!

[@andreeattieh2963]

Great video Trent

[@ppd1483]

06:17 What are the names of Mary's parents and how do you know that? It comes from the infancy gospel of James! That's how you know that! 08:54 Here is the amazing thing: we know that Joachim and Anne are the names of Mary's parents so we know that there is truth, some truth, a good amount of truth preserved in this early Christian writing Now that's what I call a truly amazing argumentation and not even 10 minutes into the video!

[@duckymomo7935]

Yet the father of Mary is Heli??

[@duckymomo7935]

Circular reasoning: it says it therefore it must be true. It says that because it is true. Wut?

[@paularnold3745]

@@duckymomo7935 The point is that if you accept it as a source for the names of Mary's parents, then why would you not accept it as a source for other beliefs.

[@paularnold3745]

@@duckymomo7935 What is your source for saying "Heli" is the name of Mary's father?

[@ondacross5253]

James White is a great example of a dishonest debater. As Trent mentions, James White has no set criteria in his thinking. Even his sola scriptira isn’t equally applied when he is shown were it is in the Bible.

[@Justas399]

Dr White is a genius. This is why catholics don't like to debate him.

[@TheGamerDevious]

@@Justas399 huh?

[@Justas399]

@@TheGamerDevious ever listen to any of his debates?

[@jeremysmith7176]

@@Justas399 Like Trent and James on can a christian lose their salvation? That was not pretty for Mr. White.

[@Justas399]

@@jeremysmith7176 If you can lose your salvation then Christ lied.

[@urkosh]

what does White mean saying no bodily assumption was known before? Patriarch Enoch, prophet Elijah - Hebrew Bible / Old Testament.

[@onesneak7668]

He is saying that it wasn't known that Mary was assumed until the Catholic Church made up hundreds of years later

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@onesneak7668 It was actually known by the Church for hundreds of years before the Church solidified the doctrine.

[@onesneak7668]

@@SuperrBoyful I know. I was just saying how Mr White thinks.

[@SuperrBoyful]

@@onesneak7668 It’s sad to see. White sees all the evidence of truth & is in-denial to it. We must pray for him!

[@onesneak7668]

@@SuperrBoyful he is a great debater but is very dishonest to his own flock. He would be a great Catholic debater but he may be to far gone like his sister said when she spoke about her conversion.

[@fritzimperial9210]

Great video but you could make a drinking game out of every time William says "Trent you make a good point"

[@alfredherbolario8706]

Hello Mr. Horn, a bit late on this topic but I was wondering if you made any actions (like a comment or something) regarding Holy Koolaid's rebuttal to your other rebuttal about his video about Bible history? This will probably clear up some things thank you very much. Also btw if Mr. Trent did take action regarding this can any of you people place a source please? once again thank you for that.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

I have a strict policy of not doing rebuttals to my rebuttals (lest I get caught in an infinite loop). I offered to debate him on the subject and he never accepted.

[@alfredherbolario8706]

@@TheCounselofTrent Thank you Mr. Trent for responding I really appreciate this! : )

[@scorpionking685]

@@TheCounselofTrent he will never accept your offer but it will be nice to see him get in the ring with you on this topic.

[@nicolentwiga7049]

As a cradle catholic, I always believed in Mary as a perpetual virgin. However, I had never heard the "during birth" part, so during a time of struggle with the church, when I came across James White's information, I found it very persuasive. His idea is that if Mary kept her hymen then Jesus couldn't have come through the birth canal, which means he must've "beamed out. There is of course language used that make it seem like that.. like Jesus's birth was like light through glass and what not. James said if Jesus wasn't born as humans are born then he wasn't truly human,, threatening the hypostatic union. That made sense to me. He also made it seem like the more miraculous interpretation was the DOGMATIC interpretation. But as I've come back to the faith, I've learned that that is some fathers (and some current Catholics interpretation), but that I can believe Jesus came through the birth canal. Did Mary keep her hymen? Due to my modern knowledge as a nurse I don't see the hymen as part of virginity (though it can be a sign of it) and I don't see the loss as injury. I dont count it out though. God knows better than me and she may have. Regardless I know she was forever virgin. I also know women who have had almost pain free births and had no tears or damage from their births, so i don't understand why it would be hard to believe the Blessed Mother couldn't have that experience. I also find it interesting how White always points out that the early fathers didn't agree on much. How in his mind did they come to a unified teaching? I think we all know the answer is church councils. Why would these councils stop? And if they haven't, what church still has them?

[@matthewbroderick6287]

Nicole, Jesus, body and soul, walked right through LOCKED DOORS in the upper room without opening the lock or door as recorded in Holy Scripture! James White is denying the Power of the God of whom ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior ,He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@nicolentwiga7049]

I always assumed that was different because He was already resurrected, which put him in a different state than we are now. As I said...I'm not saying Jesus's birth couldn't happen in a miraculous way (like as through the door), I just personally believe he was born the more normative way.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@nicolentwiga7049Hello Nicole! Even before Jesus died and rose, Jesus walked on water without breaking the surface.. Does James White then believe this too is impossible for the Man/God? Was the radiant Glory of the Man/ God revealed to Peter and James and John at the Transfiguration before Jesus Rose, also impossible for the MAN/God? James White makes me more Catholic every time he talks! James White has contradicted himself numerous times and doesn't even agree with what the Protestant reformers taught! I believe Nothing is impossible for the Man/God, and that just as Jesus passed through locked doors without breaking it's seal, so too of Mary His Mother at His birth! Perhaps only in Heaven shall we know! I hope you are doing well! Thank you so very much for your service as a Nurse! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@nicolentwiga7049]

You are so right! Nothing is impossible and Jesus did so many things we could never do! I guess some of it is just trusting and knowing that we don't need the exact answers for everything now. Thank you for your kind words! And yes...the more I listen to James White and hear his misrepresentations of the faith, the more I want to learn what the Church really teaches!

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@nicolentwiga7049So true! Thank you again for your work, and your love for Jesus Christ! God's peace to you always

[@zekdom]

6:15 - *Paraphrasing* Why use the infancy gospel of James at all? After all, Thomas Aquinas rejected it. But as Trent Horn notes, where do we get the names for Mary’s parents? Their names come directly from the infancy gospel of James. 6:45 - Trent Horn argues that it’s not a Gnostic text, more like a “Christian midrash” 11:40 - The docetists 14:57 - Trent Horn asks (*paraphrasing*): if the infancy gospel of James is really a gnostic text, why would it present Mary as pregnant at all? Why not just rewrite that part of the story to say that Jesus was never inside Mary? Why not simply say that Jesus materialized out of thin air? 19:08 and 19:20 and 20:30 - Jerome citing Iranaeus, Polycarp, Justin, and Ignatius in defense of perpetual virginity. As Trent notes, maybe Jerome had access to some of their writings that we lack today. 26:05 - Ambrose and Ezekiel 44 33:43 - The Talmud and Jesus

[@stooch66]

What I find so disconcerting about James White is that he seems far more interested in salvaging his arguments than finding the truth. He presupposes the conclusion an then finds support rather than following the evidence to its reasonable conclusion. He seems far too smart not to know he is doing it, so one can only be left to believe he is putting his ego before God’s truth.

[@EpoRose1]

Eucharist Angel, with all due respect, your views (and I’ve seen you trolling them all over Catholic KZbin) are what my mother would have called “Bass Ackwards.”

[@WhiteChocolate74]

@Eucharist Angel actually...yeah there is. The Last Supper is the Eucharist. Jesus goes on and on about the flesh and blood of the Son of Man in St. John's Gospel. The Eucharist and Jesus' sacrifice on the cross are the New Passover. In the Passover meal, the Lamb of God has to be literally eaten for the ritual to be completed. St. Peter is the first pope, given a sort of high priestly role based on the Book of Isaiah. He is given the Keys to Heaven and the power to bind and loose, which were priestly roles in the Jewish Temple. There is a sacerdotal priesthood. When Jesus offers his blood for them to take at the Last Supper, any first century Jew would understand that they are priests, since only priests can pour the Passover Blood. The Letters in the latter half of the NT go on and on about the necessity of faith and works...I could go on But most importantly is the Virgin Mary. She is the new Rachel, the mother of Israel. Jews venerated saints just like Catholics do. In fact, in the Mishnah there is a story about how when the Jews were being carted off to Babylon, Moses, Abraham and all the other patriarchs implored God to spare Israel, but He wouldn't listen. Only when Rachel intervened and begged God to would He listen. Obviously, I forget a lot of the details of this story, but the point is clear

[@ajamusic7322]

@Eucharist Angel I highly doubt anyone here is concerned with what your standards are for a "stupid observation" or receiving a dunce cap from you.

[@stooch66]

@Eucharist Angel I don’t think you want to play the “where’s the basis in scripture” game. Your entire doctrine, sola scriptura, has no basis in scripture. And don’t give me Timothy 3:16-17. That is not at all saying that scripture is the sole rule of faith. It is also something written in a specific letter to a specific bishop (gasp, that word!), which the whole Church would not have had in a canonized New Testament until the fourth century. What was first? The completed New Testament or the Church. The Fathers give a ton of evidence that it was the latter. Ignatius of Antioch, one of the Apostle John’s followers: “See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there, let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. ((Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8).” He died in the early 2nd century. I am happy to continue from here, but only if you promise not to sling insults as part of this Christian dialogue.

[@crobeastness]

@Eucharist Angel so i take it you did not watch the video. you just like to comment of holy catholic channel's comment sections in hopes of what? insulting someone out of the church? also, why do protestants seem to have amnesia when it comes to the other 23 catholic rites, eastern orthodox, and the coptic chruch? we definitely do differ from the latter 2, but the differences are practically null compared to that of protestant doctrine that came 1700-1800 years later. even the early protestants arent as radical as your kind.

[@davidm5662]

If you have a chance if you could rebut a video titled The Virgin Birth Myth by Rabbi Michael Skobac would be much appreciative. Thanks.

[@delbert372]

Question: Did the apostles teach the Marian doctrines, or were they divinely revealed to later church leaders?

[@duckymomo7935]

None. It was never taught by Apostles (there’s no evidence for it) and there’s no new revelation. There’s only 2 Marian doctrine possible: virgin birth and Theotokos (this is Christological)

[@nofragmentado]

I love my Protestant brothers and sisters. I would like to asked James White to give Trent the opportunity to seat and dialogue with him. Until then please STOP all of you confusing your great people on what the truth IS 🙏🏻📿

[@WhiteChocolate74]

@Eucharist Angel you're right. You're an angry heretic. Protestants slaughtered more people than Catholics ever did, and it's British protestant thinking that led to white supremacism in America. Protestants also slaughtered each other more than any Catholic ever did, along with destroying art burning churches, and burning witches

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel Yes, the person who's channel is called "The Counsel of Trent" is trying his hardest to make you forget about the Council of Trent.

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel St. Paul and St. Ignatius, disciple of John, both say that people are getting sick and dying because they aren't properly treating the Eucharist. But hey, I guess Zwingli knew better than them.

[@aaronmueller5802]

@Eucharist Angel "Bowing down to a piece of bread and calling it God almighty". Lol OK. It was hard to take you seriously before, with all of your ignorance of scripture, history, language, etc. But now I know your just a full blown Jack Chick style fanatic. Read a book sometime.

[@deanphilipsaunders775]

James White must constantly have migraines, playing mental gymnastics to try and validate his opinion against all reason and evidence.

[@thatguyzwife]

8:58 How do we KNOW that those are the names of Mary's parents though? You can't say "this source has at least some truth because it gets the names that we only know because of this source right."

[@thepalegalilean]

That's like saying how do we know Gengis Khan was actually Gengis Khan? Because that wasn't his actual name. His real name was Temingin. But how do we know that? Because Mongol sources say so. At some point you need to trust the sources that are the closest to the events in question. It's amazing that atheists have an irrational skepticism of Christianity in general, which is correctly rebuked by protestants, only for those same protestants to have that exact same irrational skepticism to theological positions that aren't their own.

[@WolfWojtyla]

Trent - can you provide a link or some details on the article 'Mary in the Temple' which you referenced in this video? I would love to check it out.

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@Eucharist Angel why u mad bro?

[@saw9485]

@Eucharist Angel The word of God or the Bible is a Catholic book canonized by Catholics and preserved by Catholic monks. Protestants should not quote or believe the Bible unless they agree with the authority of the Catholic Church.

[@MrJedtocci]

@Eucharist Angel Preach!

[@ajamusic7322]

Maybe you mis-cited your scripture? 1 Corinthians 10:4: "and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ."

[@MrJedtocci]

​@Eucharist Angel its like a doctrinal suicide pact! The cadre of "church fathers" whose writings are used to support Marianism, are compleatly adrift doctrinally and literarily, bad doctrine (untethered to anything creedal) and baaad writing( I would know I to struggle to compose my thoughts )

[@someman7]

4:09 I heard the claim the Protoevangelium of James was a "gnostic text" from a protestant before. But this isn't even the case, is it? It's just (actual) Christian apocrypha, isn't it? Nvm, I guess Horn is addressing this

[@danieljoyce6199]

Gnostic for the uneducated just means anything not inspired lol

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

It's quoted by Alexandrian possible heretics, it exists in coptic and is signed by an apostle as a forgery just like the gnostics made. It seems its a gnostic gospel to me.

[@someman7]

@@isaacleillhikar4566 What do you mean "possible heretics"? Not that that being quoted by them, or being pseudigraphia would make it Gnostic. Even if Gnostics themselves were found to quote it it wouldn't necessarily be Gnostic. You know that there were some who wrested even scripture from the start, as Paul says. Only if the Cahtolic (grk. universal) Church rejected it as unorhtodox would it be heretical, and if it espoused Gnostic ideas would it be Gnostic. Right?

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

@@someman7 Origen and Clement are not very sound. A lot of the Time they say very dodgy things. The Gsontics are condemned as heretics by Ireneas and by the Bishop of Antioch ten years after. It is a gnostic gospel, they would write pseudo gospels And write whatever they wanted. Gospel of Peter was the one condemned as.docetic, coining the term, by the Bishop of Antioch in the 190s. And since it was a false gospel quoted by Origen and Clement, its possible it influenced the church in what was writen in it.

[@someman7]

@@isaacleillhikar4566 How is saint Clement, venerated by the Catholic Church, and all apostolic ecclesiastical communities, an apostolic father, pope of Rome after Peter and said to also be consecrated by the first among the apostles, "not sound"? Sure Gnostics wrote apocryphal gospels and attributed them to champions of faith already "away from the body". That doesn't make this one one of those writings. Not that it's not apocryphal, it clearly is because the Church say so. No one is arguing for its authority, just its early testimony to certain beliefs regarding the Mother of God (remember the council of Ephesus now, this is her proper title!). We're saying that to label it as Gnostic is disingenuous. What grounds are there for this? It's like saying that Didache is not a Christian writing because it's not in the Bible. You seem to know something about Church history, so let me put it this way: Should we reject all that Didache testifies to about the early Church? No, right? Well White is considering the testimony of the protoevangelium with prejudice. By claiming heresy, worse yet, foul Gnosticism (for which there is no proof), what should be taken as historical testimony he's turning on its head presenting it as proof of heresy. Not ok.

[@TyroneBeiron]

On the Protoevangelium of James, there is a consistency with Eastern liturgical tradition (in terms of feasts), and so the West gained the same of the names of Mary's parents. More notably and often ignored is that the basis for her virginity is consistent with Numbers 30:3. It provides the legal basis for Joseph to 'honour' her accordingly. Look at ancient Cretan icons for evidence: Joseph is never portrayed touching the Panagia, to indicate his chastity towards her, and the triple stars to indicate she was a virgin before, during, and after the Incarnation of Jesus.

[@bearistotle2820]

Very interesting rebuttal. My only question is, did Michael think Trent made any good points? Because I can't tell. Really though, it was a lot of good info, I just noticed something I found amusing with Albrecht here.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

The man made traditions of Scripture alone and faith alone, are not found in the early Church! James White preaches another Gospel! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@colvinator1611]

No your right, they're not found in the man made heresy of Rome. The truth is found in the King James Bible.

[@colvinator1611]

Cannibalism

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@colvinator1611 Eternal Life! "Unless you eat of the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have NO LIFE IN YOU " ( John 6:53). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@colvinator1611]

Matthew Broderick. To justify your evil act of cannibalism at the 'mass' the catholic heretics stop at John 6 : 53. They won't complete the context of what the Lord Jesus is saying. They don't want to go on to verse 63 where the Lord Jesus clearly says his words are 'Spirit' and the flesh profiteth nothing. Likewise at the last supper the Lord Jesus and His followers were celebrating the passover ( in Egypt ) during the meal. People don't eat the flesh of someone who is sat with them. How evil is the catholic mass, the sun god wafer in it's gold holder. The initials of ancient gods on the wafer. Like I've said before the antichrist in the vatican worships lucifer every easter vigil in the vatican.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

@@colvinator1611 Jesus Christ teaches of the bread, WHEN BLESSED, "This is My Body ".. ( Matthew 26:26). Colin Atkinson tells Jesus, " No, it isn't!". You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

[@MZONE991]

hello Trent, what papers/books would you recommend to read about the "brothers from Joseph's previous marriage" approach other than Bauckham's work?

[@nickhanley5407]

Funny that that seems the more reasonable approach… I hope you at least see why a person can read the scriptures and realize Jesus did have brothers and sisters.

[@ajamusic7322]

@@nickhanley5407 what kind of brothers and sisters does Scripture say Jesus had?

[@wizard9094]

Can someone explain this to me please? I always thought Marry’s perpetual virginity was speaking only on the physical act itself, not whether or not her hymen remained intact. Jesus’s birth being painless doesn’t necessarily mean without injury, just that the injury itself didn’t cause her pain.

[@albertbenny431]

Why is Albrecht looking towards the left and not at the screen?

[@danieljoyce6199]

It's an easier way to set up a camera that's not on your computer

[@jeffreyperez2178]

Funny that they’re claiming that the protoevangelium is unorthodox but the orthodox churches celebrate Joachim and Anne feast days

[@trofaznimotor901]

Make more videos on seventh day adventism

[@KristiLEvans1]

But we don’t build theology on the Talmud. It’s being pointed out that even the Talmud HAD to give an answer for Jesus. Marian +doctrines and dogmas+ found strength and +base+ in the Protoevangelium of James and other Gnostic-tinged documents. That’s a specious comparison, guys. Man, this is shocking.

[@paulmualdeave5063]

To help understand this one has to understand who God is as represented in the Old Testament and what He sees holiness to be. Holiness as defined as being so severe that merely touching the Ark of the Covenant is death, even if one is trying to save it from falling to the ground. Holiness as in only select people could even go into the Holy of Holies. With all the Old Testament evidence, it becomes easier to see that Jesus would not come to earth through a sinful gateway.

[@Zematus737]

The question of Sophia as wisdom and having a female aspect, I would suggest Proverbs 7:4 as an answer, since Jesus calls the Holy Spirit He many times. It is truly both. Wisdom is depicted as a woman, but understanding is called our kinsman. The apostles received, but they did not yet understand, therefore the male aspect is promised, but he comes also with wisdom, since he also comes to remind them of all he had said. The entirety of the Trinity comes as one for us to receive perfect knowledge, by Truth, wisdom, understanding and, to govern its use, grace, which bestows insight and foresight, without which we cannot empathize or suffer with patience with the hope of the dawn.

[@vincecruz5202]

Protevangelium Jacobi (or the Infancy Gospel of James) can be found in the manuscript Papyrus 72 (𝔓72, Papyrus Bodmer VII-VIII) or P72. P72 is highly resonate to James White. Ironically, P72 contains the Infancy Gospel of James; see at Time 19:10 📺.

[@PaulCJakubik]

James White has more knowledge of what the Church teaches but not the understanding of this knowledge. We have to pray that he comes into the Church.

[@timetravlin4450]

Why pray that if you believe it’s up to him to decide and not God?

[@PaulCJakubik]

@@timetravlin4450 We all have free will to choose our destiny and at our particular judgement, at the moment of death, God confirms our choice. It is a normal Christian activity to pray for ourselves and others that God will intervene in our lives. It is a charitable act to pray for others. In fact, I may be held accountable for not praying for those around me- it is a sin of omission of which I have been guilty of through laziness.

[@billyg898]

Everything Trent says is "a very great point/question you bring up" according to William. I kid, I kid... :P

[@bearistotle2820]

Darn it! You beat me to it!

[@michaelharrington6698]

Hes not wrong though

[@TYRANNOSAURUS-1]

This is no “rebuttal” ! Really? Y’all even acknowledge that you have Presuppositions? Do you know what Presuppositions are?

[@scottschultz2669]

I like your book Case for Catholicism Trent Horn.

[@gicraft6461]

Virgin Mary, pray for me! SAVE me from hell!

[@kyledefranco6720]

41:00 St. Tecla

[@jacksoncastelino04]

Thank you

[@Rauswaffen]

Trent Horn and the Big Show handicap match with James White

[@videos_iwonderwhy]

I always assumed that "virgin" simply means free from sexual relations. In other words, nothing to do with hymen integrity? In this case, Mary would remain virgin before, during and after childbirth even if Jesus' birth had been completely natural. Is this view orthodox?

[@larryharbison9093]

I don’t know but it’s the view I take too. I’ve always thought virginity only had to do with sexual relations.

[@danieljoyce6199]

For a woman virgin in scripture seems to always be associated with "undefiled with man". So I very much agree, trying to imply birth is losing virginity would arguably imply birth is incestuous adultery.

[@lyricalmike7162]

Mary Nutson? Who is that? I can’t find her on the internet, someone help please.

[@orlandogarza5458]

(Father) Padre Luis Toro explain it really good and he explains it with Protestants Bible fallow him on KZbin if you all speak Spanish. GOD Blessed you all

[@ericson5913]

I love to watch padre Toro, I wish the protestants would have a really good debater for him. I have seen maybe a couple of good ones but most are not very well prepared for him or get emotional even angry. The format is usually more dialog type for him with Q&A. I would love to see him in a more formal debate type with a good debater like him. I think thier afraid of him with good reason.

[@orlandogarza5458]

I think any protestan will look silly debating with him

[@KristiLEvans1]

I call the infancy Gospel of James, Gnostic-tinged, proto-Christian fan-fiction. We can’t base theology on something that’s “not complete rubbish”, can we? Wow! Sola Scriptura is anathema, but basing theology on admitted fan-fiction that isn’t “complete rubbish” is okay? Wow, that admission blows me away. WHAT is rubbish and what isn’t? If it has equal authority in building theology as Scripture, have you (or Holy Mother Church) at least defined which parts aren’t complete rubbish and which are? 🤯😳

[@Nothere780]

Is JW saying that the state of Mary's hymen after birth dictates whether she is a virgin after the birth of Christ???

[@bowrudder899]

Instead of sniping at White from the peanut gallery, why doesn't William Albrecht debate him? Anthony Rogers has been waiting for Albrecht to debate him for years.

[@TheManofsorrows]

Why the Catholic Church is so strict about Protestants joining the Holy Eucharist and becoming a member of the Catholic Church due to people like this.

[@martinmartin1363]

A perfect game has no authority from God and therefore isn’t perfect, but Mary is made perfect by the authority of God and is therefore made perfect, as Eve was made perfect and sinless so is Mary.

[@shan3671]

So I’m a Protestant, but I gotta admit, the typology of the Ark of the Covenant and Mary is really cool. Although, I still think it works even without all of the other beliefs about Mary being sinless and a perpetual virgin. The Eve/Mary comparison does not work as well for me. The Bible is clear that Jesus is the second Adam, but if Mary is the second Eve then wouldn’t that make them husband and wife? I think a better typology for Eve is the Church, the bride of Christ.

[@liamdaniels2764]

Hello! So when it comes to typology, if someone in the past is portrayed as a "type" of someone to come in the future, it does not mean that this future person is going to hold ALL of the characteristics or relationships of the previous person. For example, Adam was created but that does not entail that Christ, the new Adam, is created. The typological links are based on spiritual truths, where the OT is fulfilled in the NT

[@ContendingEarnestly]

The typology of the ark and mary is a false one. The ark is Jesus. In Romans 3:25 Jesus is our propitiation. The word essentially means an atoning sacrifice, although there is a lot more to it than that. The greek word for propitiation is hilasterion which means mercy seat. The mercy seat is the lid of the ark of the covenant which was kept in the holy of holies. The high priest went in once a year to sprinkle blood on it for the sins of Israel, on the day of atonement. And God did not dwell in the ark but on top of it. So that doesn't fit mary either. This is the rcc's attempt to elevate a creature above the creator. The ark has nothing to do with mary. Its all about Jesus. Something catholics should remember.

[@thepalegalilean]

@@ContendingEarnestly That is literally the stupidest thing I've read tonight. Jesus is not the Ark. Jesus's typology fulfills what is in the Ark. Do you have a hatred of holy things. You're demonstrating that quite clearly. And you hate the word of God. Because what the Catholic Church teaches on this issue is exactly what Luke believes. He would not make the connections to the Ark if he didn't. So you need to take your anger up against God and the gospel writer because that is ultimately who you are disagreeing with. Enjoy dying on that hill.

[@thepalegalilean]

The thing about it is eagle, When you take the idea that Mary is the Ark Of the new covenant, Take it to its logical conclusion. Because when you do that, The Catholic Church Marian dogma suddenly makes much more sense and more palatable to unengaged souls.

[@ContendingEarnestly]

@@thepalegalilean Hmm, you sound like the angry one here not me. And i think i described well why Jesus is the ark. If you choose not to read that then fine. Nowhere is mary even alluded to being the ark, its Jesus. She is a great servant who did what God told her to do. As we all should. Luke doesn't make any connections to mary with the ark. This is you employing a lot of eisegesis.

[@KristiLEvans1]

“Surely God could…” isn’t an argument. It’s an opinion or a view. Of course He +could do+ whatever he wants. But true humanity and true Godhood were a reality of Christ on earth. Scripture simply uses the word for “giving birth”, connoting nothing at all of note.

[@frederickanderson1860]

The Bible says we all have sinned and fallen from the glory of God. So does that excuse Mary. Mary said god was her saviour,john the Baptist jumped in his mother's womb,hearing Mary magnificant. Jesus gave the highest praise to john the Baptist " no man born of a woman,was greater than he". Lastly john had the true revelation of jesus mission long before Peter or the disciples. Want proof " behold the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world," Peter was rebuked for not accepting same.

[@27foe9]

They don't want to read their Bible brother 🙄

[@27foe9]

Paganism, occultism, and atheisism is what roman catholicism creates

[@resvero8342]

​@@27foe9 That's what prodestantis creates

[@fantasia55]

You're saying Jesus was a sinner.

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@fantasia55 prove otherwise don't just use the Bible as your defense. What about 1 john chapter 5: 18-20!!!! Does that apply to you.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

Until James White reconciles with his sister Patty, and makes peace with her decision to become Roman Catholic, he is not fit to minister or witness to anybody. Dr. White, if you want to preach the gospel of repentance to people, that's fine, but you first.

[@truthsayer6414]

The Church reflecting on the words of the angel at the Visitation, would later deduce in what way Mary could be BLESSED among all women,( mankind?) whose soul, as she claimed, could "magnify the Lord". Recall God used Angels throughout scripture as His messengers to us and many saints have claimed visitations since. Just think! How could any soul but a sinless one so chosen, could assume "my soul magnifies the Lord". Yes, MAGNIFY the Lord? Jesus promised to be with HIS Church to the end of days, allowing it to bind and loose laws. Matt 16. It took the early Church some centuries after the resurrection trying to reflect on all they had witnessed and put to parchment , to come to realise who Jesus was, his message and later Mary's unique role in Salvation history! Can you be honest for once and that a church inspired both could not arrive at such logical conclusions?

[@toddstone3139]

The second pause makes it look like White is deeply afraid of William