Why Catholicism is WRONG (REBUTTED) Part 2

[@catholictransformation696]

I spent the first 50 years of my life as a Protestant. It's all I knew. In those first 50 years, I never had a single Catholic share their faith or invite me to Mass. I could only think of two business contacts that I knew were Catholic. Although I didn't have an issue with Catholics as a group, I never considered the Catholic Church as an option prior to around turning 51. My wife and I became Catholic on 3.31.2018. I was 51. We still have "ZERO Catholics" that we know of on either side of our families. I was fortunate to have "never been anti-Catholic" nor be exposed to talks like Mike Winger's nor even recalling me personally ever saying much one way or the other about Catholics. The sad reality is that people listen to Pastors like Mike Winger, James White and others and take it as the Gospel Truth about Catholicism. I have been exposed to more anti-Catholicism and false teachings about Catholicism since January 2017 ( the journey truly began ) than in all my previous years combined. Thanks to Trent Horn, the team at Catholic Answers and others out there defending the Catholic faith ( try to do my part as well ), we can know the truth of Catholicism plus for those of us who LIVE OUR CATHOLIC FAITH we can appreciate being Catholic. I still have Jesus and the Bible which was my core as a protestant but now I have more in the FULLNESS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.

[@queenofhearts7726]

Welcome home! My husband will be brought into the fullness of the Catholic Church at Easter Vigil this year at age 58. He was Northern Baptist and nearly a deacon in his church when he left his church around 20 years ago. He has been shocked at horribly anti-Catholic so many Protestants have become. Thankfully, like you, he had not been exposed to the negativity of Catholicism perpetrated by many Protestants so didn’t really have a particular opinion one way or the other. He was, however, drawn to Catholic Churches in Europe... he liked the architecture and history, but found something else... a peace that fell over him any time he was in one. Many times he just sat there fo long periods, but didn’t know why until last year. After warring with himself and everything he had previously believed in his Protestant faith, he realized that he’d been mislead for all those years and knew he had to become Catholic! We are so blessed to be Catholic! If more Protestants were able to take off their blinders, many more would come home to the Catholic Church, too!

[@catholictransformation696]

@@queenofhearts7726 That's a great story and thanks for sharing. I'm happy for you and your husband. Your husband is likely like me that now in our 50's we ask ...."why didn't we discover the Catholic Church 30 years ago?" But God has a plan that's beyond our comprehension. "If more Protestants were able to take off their blinders, many more would come home to the Catholic Church, too!" - I feel that way about my parents and my sister who love Christ but cannot see what I see in Catholicism. I can only pray for them, live my faith and try to be loving in my conversations. Oh what joy feels my soul to be a Catholic Christian and closer to Christ than ever before.

[@queenofhearts7726]

Catholic Transformation You are welcome! You are correct... he has said the same thing about learning so late in life. Yep! God has His ways for sure! I’ve learned to do my best to just “go with His flow” and trust that, of course, He’s way smarter than we are! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adanherrera5515]

Welcome home brother

[@queenofhearts7726]

Catholic Transformation Also, though my children were raised Catholic, none of them practice the faith and one even went Pagan. 😭 I have been praying for them... sometimes that is all we can do. Some progress has been made... at least my youngest’s wife has tried to get him to go to church (Methodist) and I was able to have a good talk with them both about a month or so ago. At least my 3 grand babies have been baptized now, even if it was in the Methodist Church.... it will be accepted in the Catholic Church when they join (thinking positively here 😏). Keep the faith and keep praying for them, asking God to send someone into their lives to plant the seed for the Holy Spirit to make grow. Miracles do happen!

[@JamesPeers5454]

I am Orthodox, and I constantly learn so much from Trent. I appreciate his work and God bless you all!

[@shepherddog1199]

Come home brother! Oriental or Eastern?

[@maxosiecki8051]

let us all pray for the unification of the whole Church of Christ throughout the world

[@MystoRobot]

Protestants: "Sola Scriptura is good, we should all read the Bible and interpret the truth for ourselves." *(tens of thousands of "wild protestant denominations divided on what the correct interpretation is" appeared)*

[@Michael-tm5oz]

Verum and not reading it as a book but by quotes as they do 😂

[@X13N0b0dy]

Tens of thousands seriously you're being really hyperbolic right

[@MystoRobot]

​@@X13N0b0dy Not in the very least. In the US alone, they were above 9000 prot. denominations in *2001.* Since then, it only became worst, and most parishes _(even belonging to major protestant denominations)_ are divided in teachings/doctrines sometime even regarding core beliefs... and this is all because of what their pastors personally believe. _(I count those as separate denominations, because different truths are taught.)_ You then include all offshoots of the reformations, such as the Mormons, JWs, scientologists, SDA, etc and end-up with an even greater number. _(yes, I do include them with the protestants, because we're talking about the fruits of schism here; and this is exactly what they are.)_ If you THEN add the vast amount of self-proclaimed non-denominational christians... you probably get the picture. _(That was in the US... Now, think worldwide)_

[@queenofhearts7726]

Verum and now Methodists are considering a split over same-sex marriage and gay clergy. How many little one-man “churches” are there? Don’t like what I preach? Go start a church of your own in your basement or just “church-hop” until you find one that agrees with everything you interpret from the Bible... yeah, that makes Jesus’ church “one church”. 🙄

[@johnyang1420]

Its sad, yet hilarious!!!!!

[@Lauramt2287]

I love these types of videos. I love being able to see both sides of the coin. I appreciate that you do it with such charity too. I was raised an atheist and studied Christianity from the ground up. No preconceived ideas. I went where the strongest evidence took me. I was baptized Catholic Easter 2012 after 8 years of studying all traditions. I can say, coming from no faith it allows me to see both sides, but it's clear that the Protestant view doesn't have the support of scripture or history when you look at the facts without a preconceived idea or having been taught anything before. I wanted just the facts. But let me tell you, it would have been so much easier to be a Protestant in America. I was so upset the day I realized the Catholic Church was the one true Church. I came Home kicking and screaming, by the Grace of God. :)

[@faithwisdom788]

What helped you believe God existed? You don't have to answer if you're not comfortable. 🙂

[@markfrideres284]

Beautiful

[@tonyhanrahan6458]

Good on you Laura becoming Catholic. What convinced you to be? Pastor Mike may like to know from you. I was born and raised a Catholic and have had discussion all my 60yrs with friends and family on this. Tony.

[@TheCal47]

Same here I came to faith more recently and I keep watching both sides to get a full image of the teachings and the history Watching both sides gives me things to meditate on and make an educational conclusion. I have also heard debates between anthiest scientist and scientist that believe in God and use evidence. When I was young I had a poor view of doctrine from people that I remembered beacuase of which I left the faith thinking that people just made them up cause everyone I knew said that beloved and had faith and this reason was solely why the beloved the word. But then I heard historian say that there is evidence of Jesus living, being killed, testimonies of people that saw Jesus after death so to everyone here glad that you are going deep with faith and testing everything you know.

[@sillybearss]

"came home kicking and screaming" lmao

[@Pawel_Jozwik]

Boy, it is terrifying, how someone would dare to publicly preach a bunch of falsehoods, not checking it first throughoutly to make sure he is preaching the truth.

[@zzzzzz9107]

Mike Winger is not stupid. He has already drawn a conclusion and now must withhold the truth in order to reach that conclusion. It's a purposeful act of deception.

[@BrotherChristmas78]

Pastor Mike probably thinks he is

[@Metanoia000]

Who even does a whole sermon trying to disprove some other sect of Christianity lol what kind of event was this or is this what they call church.

[@hiswill-r122]

False snippet bible teachers like Mike Winger are bold in their ignorance but weak in their public defense. He will spout falsities about the Catholic Church in his videos and claim "I've done a lot of work on this," which means nothing since he gets mostly everything wrong. But he refuses to defend these in debate or even in a simple conversation format. Based on his supposed training, it's evident that he is largely unread and poorly trained in theology but he's on YT so people think he's legit.

[@Greyz174]

​@@Metanoia000i think this is just him doing a teaching session, not like a sunday sermon. He has a bunch of these

[@aletalasin158]

All I can say is thank Trent for defending the Catholic Church..

[@ugostramacchia4115]

ALL GOOD BLESSINGS TO TRENT.

[@AvaNoe]

Please open your eyes!!! Catholicism is FALSE!! Don’t let his worldly babbles blind you. RCC still… 1. …. crucifies JESUS again for the people during mass. 2. ….Believes Mary is the Queen of Heaven. 3. … elevates tradition over scripture. 4. …. venerates worship of images ascribing them attributes of GOD. 5. …. falsely teaches the sacraments (which are like an IV dripping grace; negating CHRISTs sacrifice). 6. …sadly teaches purgatory which is 100% false. 7. ….has rites tied to ancient paganism.

[@johncox2284]

I am an Orthodox Christian and have learned a lot about apologetics from listening to Trent.

[@OrthobroAustin]

John Cox Same, God bless him

[@peter_hobbs]

John Cox and God has remembered, it’s so great that you both can acknowledge that, I’ve gained heaps from Trent Horn too. I’m Catholic and I’ve gained heaps of insights and clarity from the Eastern Orthodox as well.

[@zatoichi1]

Yeah pretty much 99% of the errors of Protestants and Evangelicals that Trent refutes are against Orthodox theology as well.

[@commscompany1502]

Interesting fact: Trent actually worships at a Byzantine Catholic Church

[@angelbrother1238]

@@commscompany1502 which church is that , I was baptized Melkite Catholic

[@wjtruax]

Coming into the Catholic Church from being a hard-core Reformed Calvinist, I’m now stunned to see how Protestant theology, doctrine, and practice all elevate the individual and minimize the importance of the Church in the life of the believer.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

"Coming into the Catholic Church from being a hard-core Reformed Calvinist," Curious what beliefs caused you to question your Calvinist background? Congrats on swimming the tiber.

[@wjtruax]

@@TruthHasSpoken wonderful question that I’m thrilled to answer. The very, very short response is: modern martyrs, particularly their families’ responses to their martyrdom. Several months after the murder of the 20 Coptic (and one African) men, may they rest in peace, I saw a video which included interviews with members of their families in Egypt. Their responses were the most Christian things I had ever seen. Their humility and gratefulness to God - and to ISIS - for allowing their men the honor of dying for Christ put my paltry faith in Christ to shame. Eventually I was driven to investigate the ancient roots of Christianity to find what they had that I didn’t. Apostolic succession and the Eucharist, that’s what. I had to have those, too!

[@TruthHasSpoken]

@@wjtruax Wonderful story all the way around: the faith of the men, their families, and how God can bring good out of evil with your conversion. I assume others as well. I haven't seen the video ... I'll have to look for it when time allows. Thank you for sharing.

[@Jeremy-t8h6x]

My problem with Roman Catholicism is not the teachings of the church the problem of the people oh my goodness! Protestants are so much better at imitating a godly existence than most Roman Catholics ever could! I have never put up with so much bad and hypocritical liars and con artists that I have with the laity of the Roman Catholic Church and their leaders, even trying to defraud. me, someone with autism, of over $100 just because I'm being nice and taking my kindness for weakness that's why I'm leaving the Roman Catholic church and I suggest everybody who wants to deeply follow God and be with his people, to never step foot in a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Church in fact, don't even follow some of the books of the Bible because they contradict themselves from one moment to the other that's why there are over 45,000 different denominations of Christianity nothing matches up with the other

[@3leon306]

Trent, please know you’re helping many young students. thank you!

[@geralynpalacol9295]

Scott Smith 👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🎉😇💪😍😍😍

[@JH324]

Helping them learn that catholicism is heresy

[@3leon306]

Most folks who read your posts assume you’re 6 ... true?

[@JH324]

@@3leon306 well even at 6-year-old sees that Catholicism is heresy

[@3leon306]

I just won a bet!

[@lvlc5]

Listening to this guy makes me understand the degree of misconceptions protestants have about us catholics and our church. So sad the truth has been twisted that much to the point it even sounds ridiculous. Also sad his audience trust him. May God open his eyes some day and testify about it.

[@zatoichi1]

Pray and fast for him and all Evangelicals that have strong faith in Christ. That they may come back into complete unity with the Church

[@johnyang1420]

Optimystic1 I agree with you guys. Its sad. Seems like the Church of Mike Winger and he thinks he is infallible.

[@dalge3733]

I had heard some anti-Catholic stuff prior to conversion. Not at my church but from social media or the internet. What they described wasn't what I knew about the Catholic Church since I had many family that were Catholic. So instead of believing pastors like this guy, I sought out true authentic books on Catholicism. It confirms what I was told by Dad and other family about the Catholic Church. I converted in 3 weeks. I've had many try to tell me to look at other churches but I say why? Wouldn't I want to go to the Church founded by Jesus?

[@johnyang1420]

David Paul Alge Totally agreed! Im not sure why we need another church when Catholics already are in the church that Jesus started! When I think of Protestants, I started to think of chaos, rebellion, and division! The people are great! Theology? Not so much! One of the huge underlying reasons for Protestantism is money and jobs. It is a good way to make money. I dont respect that. Truth>money!

[@ghostapostle7225]

To be fair, many catholics are ignorant of their own faith as well.

[@matthewlacroix3439]

You're not just my favorite apologist, you're my favorite you tube personality! Keep up the good work, I'm loving the "rebuttal" series that you are doing. This content gives me courage to evangelize with people I encounter. I love how you do this with charity and respect to the non Catholics! It's very encouraging!

[@jesussaves6625]

I was baptized Catholic and made my first confession/communion in the Catholic Church, but I was never confirmed. As a teenager, I abandoned faith entirely until my early thirties when I started reading the Bible in it's entirety. I have looked for a "good" church since (nearly ten years ago) and even though I missed the beauty and tradition of Catholicism, I fell into the trap of believing that the Pope and Catholicism were unbiblical. Videos of yours and others are changing my beliefs, so thank you.

[@johnyang1420]

You are on the right track. Try RCIA

[@jesussaves6625]

@@johnyang1420 Thank you for your response. I feel like this might be a stupid question, but how do I start that process? Can I just go to church and talk to the priest or call to ask someone what to do next? I have quite a few beautiful Catholic churches near me, but haven't had the courage to go yet, even though I feel like I'm being called to it. I think it's mainly a fear of looking stupid, which is a terrible reason, really.

[@gulanhem9495]

@@jesussaves6625 Have fun worshipping Mary, the eternal virgin and mother of God.😵‍💫

[@georgepierson4920]

@@gulanhem9495 Lying is a sin.

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

​@@jesussaves6625 I know this is a somewhat late reply, but yes, you call the office or pop in during open hours and someone will be able to give you information. If you are already baptized and have received First Communion and first confession, you could also go back to confession and start receiving communion again. You can attend Mass regardless, but if you've been away don't receive communion until you've talked to the priest and made confession. RCIA will be how you receive Confirmation, plus they should give you more catechesis. Some programs are weak though so keep listening g to Trent and read everything you can get your hands on

[@JustUsCrazyBoyz]

"I'm not going to look to the early church fathers. I'm going to the Bible" Seriously! Can he even hear himself? The fathers were the ones who transcribed and interpreted the bible! Many of which did so under the apostles! So he's basically going to go straight to the Bible without asking the people who compiled it? This is glorious!

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

WHAT A LIE! The apostles wrote their epistles and doctrines straight from the mouth of Christ and from the HOLY SPIRIT. Your Catholic "fathers" transcribed NOTHING. When they had "their" transcribed from tge ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, THEY ONLY wanted it transcribed in LATIN, which was distorted as well. They fought the scriptures being transcribed in any other language for the people. WHY? Because they wanted control of scripture abd the people. THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT!

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 thank you 🙏

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

@@nomadicrecovery1586 God bless the TRUTH, and May he bless anyone here in whose heart he opens to the BEAUTIFUL, SIMPLE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR! 😊

[@schadenfreude191]

@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 you didn't listen to the whole video, you just came to preach. If you truly want to seek the truth you need to look past your pride. I was a protestant my whole life and I heard all the same arguments you are tossing around but you haven't addressed the catholic responses to those arguments directly.

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

@@schadenfreude191 I LISTENED and it's contradictory, and absolutely nonsense. He has BO TRUE rebuttal. I'm not a Protestant either, I'm an independent non-denominational Christian. I don't follow this Mike pastor. I came across his video and heard him, then I saw this pathetic. rebuttal. Hogwash! I've studied scripture and theology, as well as historical evidence for years. This Trent is so biased, He can't represent SCRIPTURE, Doctrines and has NO CLUE!

[@megaloschemos9113]

I am part of an (well seriously considering leaving) Evangelism denomination, Trent Horn explains things so well and so far is a Catholic which makes the most sense.

[@ramonpalacios407]

Winger’s view of the Catholic Church is so flawed. He is definitely frustrating to listen to. Thank you Trent for making videos like these.

[@geralynpalacol9295]

Ramon Palacios AMEN🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🥳😍

[@johnyang1420]

Yes!!!!!

[@rushthezeppelin]

Seriously Trent had the patience of a saint to be able to respond to this with such detachment. I had a hard time keeping calm through a few parts of listening to him.

[@spirit-walkerwaters4521]

@@rushthezeppelin Yes, you Catholics can't tolerate the Word of God. You're dill of hearing fir all the lies you're accustomed too. It's really sad to reject the simplicity of the gospel. Christ is defam4d daily within the doctrines and rituals of the Catholic Church. You're lost in dogma and a man made institution, when you should be angry for being lied too.

[@johnyang1420]

@@spirit-walkerwaters4521 The Catholic church put the bible together in 392ad and protected the bible through the centuries.

[@cowmansr]

The point at 1:46:26 was definitely true for me as a once saved always saved Protestant. When I'd continue in my bad habits/sins I'd wonder, "What if I didn't really mean it when I asked Jesus into my heart, and I'm not really saved? Why haven't I had a dramatic conversion experience? I've tried several times, how come I can't get this 'getting saved' thing right?" The continual call for conversion in Catholicism aligns much more realistically with my experience in life. There's a kind of dissonance in Protestant churches when they tell you you're saved no matter what, and then preach each week on the good works you should be doing.

[@nothidingjustprivacy3472]

Nathan I think this speaks to how Catholicism has always been about being a response to paganism, which thus makes it very realistic and practical. I really believe a lot of Protestantism only exists bc there was a preexisting Christian substrata in society

[@josephdalelio6684]

The Errors of the Roman Catholic Church The Third-Man Podcast 310 subscribers S51,832 views Dec 28, 2020 This was a documentary made by Keith Thompson about the RCC. He deleted his channel with no apparent explanation and to preserve the video I brought it over from Bitchute. Introduction - 0:00 The Papacy/Papal Infallibility 05:32 - 01:32:47 Mary 01:32:48 - 03:14:40 Scripture & Tradition 03:14:41 - 04:32:35 Rome's Worst Atrocities/Deception in History 04:32:36 - 05:07:11 The Reformation 05:07:12 - 5:35:05 Salvation 5:35:05 - 08:22:27 Conclusion HOPEFULLY TRENT WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND REBUT THIS VIDEO.

[@mungzou6135]

Thank you Trent, you will go down in the history of the Catholic Church for vividly teaching the truth of Christ.

[@automatonpilot5040]

I like Pastor Mike and he was probably raised Protestant and sees value in it and wants to come to its defense, and he rightly sees that Catholicism stands in his way. I applaud him for the effort, and he's also provided us an opportunity to hear Trent elucidate the truth more starkly, and to draw out its conclusions more persuasively. That said, I hope and pray Pastor Mike can find room in his heart and mind to deal with this series of very strong rebuttals honestly. No easy task for any of us who are entrenched in defending anything dear to us, but must be surpassed by what is better. Thanks for your work Trent.

[@adanherrera5515]

You should have a live debate with this self proclaimed pastor and bust him out in public

[@TheCounselofTrent]

The offer is on the table!

[@youngrupee]

@@TheCounselofTrent maybe more of a discussion. I hate debates it feels as if the speaker is trying to convince the listener than actually trying to get to the truth for themselves.

[@joeykordahi9927]

Trent will finish this guy just like he finished James White. Trent will finish them all. He speaks the truth. No one can stop him because he who speaks the truth can’t be stopped. Hope time does not change our man Trent over here and we should keep praying for him. EDIT: By finish i surely mean in Trents peaceful Christlike way and not in any negative or harsh or unChristlike way! Cheers!

[@donhaddix3770]

@@TheCounselofTrent You would lose.

[@donhaddix3770]

@Thomase Synek You need to do more study. Your spouse in Calvinism, which Lutherans reject. As well before the Reformation there were Christians that rejected Catholicism. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fp7Ug2VuppyKo6M

[@phoult37]

30:15 If the individual had enough discernment to properly understand doctrine in the Bible without Church authority, as Pastor Winger claims, then there wouldn't be thousands of non-Catholic Christian denominations. About the only thing protestants can agree upon is a disdain for the Catholic Church.

[@donhaddix3770]

Freewill. The RCC does not exist in the Bible. www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html

[@takmaps]

Saying nothing but FACTS

[@phoult37]

@@donhaddix3770 Come back to the true Church of Jesus Christ and experience his body and blood. You spend time on Catholic videos for a reason. You may feel called to evangelize to Catholics, but the Holy Spirit is in fact calling you to conversion and greater holiness.

[@donhaddix3770]

@@phoult37 Never was a Catholic. A devout literal Bible only Christian refuting Catholicism.

[@phoult37]

@@donhaddix3770 It's too bad you can't understand the literal meaning of John 6

[@dmd418]

This is so helpful. Thank you so much. Trent has helped on my way home to Rome, as they say. I'm just beginning and have to tell my spouse and family. Yikes. But whenever someone has objections, I will send them one of his videos because his explanations are great. The argument for authority and tradition has me convinced.

[@askmemakeup]

D D Yay!! Welcome Home! We are so very pleased to have you. So happy. I hope you come to experience the peace and harmony that comes with the fullness of Truth. God’s church is so beautiful. As a revert, I sit all day contemplating God’s beauty through this truth. It’s just so perfect. I hope you experience that. God bless you on your journey. I’ll pray for you. Yay!

[@markie0320]

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[@markie0320]

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[@aadschram5877]

www.barroux.org/fr/liturgie/ecoutez-nos-offices.html

[@lonelyberg1808]

I love your profile picture. Cool baby

[@sonofphilip8229]

"Now check this out, this is so cool" "this will blow your mind" "watch what I'm going to do here". The pastors always talk like street magicians.

[@gregorybarrett4998]

For all that Mr. Winger misunderstands elements of revelation, it is appropriate both that he hold it in awe and devotion, and foster such response in his hearers.

[@silveriorebelo8045]

mike is a professional deceiver about fundamental Christian truth, something way worse than being a magician...

[@m4641]

He's like a timeshare salesman.

[@jeffscully50613]

@@silveriorebelo8045 one step below a snake-oil salesman.

[@shepherddog1199]

​@@jeffscully50613hey, the og snake oil actually worked.

[@candyclews4047]

The sad thing about Pastor Mike is that he hasn't sought the truth, or listened to constructive criticism and continues to this day to bash Catholicism.

[@williamavitt8264]

No, the truly sad thing about Pastor Mike is that he *thinks* he has sought the truth. He honestly believes he's providing a fair and unbiased critique of the Catholic Church

[@ugostramacchia4115]

HE'S SO TWISTED AND NARSITIC

[@nathanbustamante1525]

Yes trent! These are awesome when doing monotonous work

[@bongR61]

Thanks Mr Horn for a better summary of salvation: Repent, Believe, Receive and Remain. God bless and stay safe.

[@christinacastillon6439]

Trent, how do you keep from not laughing or rolling your eyes?? You are amazing.. I love my Catholic Faith!

[@dottorb7054]

God Bless you, Trent Horn, for listening to this and responding with charity. Mess with the Trent.... get the Horn(s)!

[@dottorb7054]

p.s. NO NO NO NO NO! Catholics do NOT claim to sit in the Chair of Jesus. They have they "catthedra" of Peter, a position given to him by Jesus. These snake oil salesmen are abominations.

[@aileenbordelon7884]

Mike: “‘Test what I say” Trent : Challenge accepted 🤗

[@JH324]

He lost

[@prime_time_youtube]

Challenge accepted... then failed.

[@aileenbordelon7884]

@@prime_time_youtube says you...

[@NaturalEnquirer]

@@JH324 no u

[@requiem7204]

Azu-nyan!

[@josephmirelez7651]

God bless you Trent Horn! Thank you for this! Please do continue with his video on Mary!

[@jacobhamilton4888]

Trent must be exhausted after going through this. So much misunderstanding and false assumptions from Mike. Thank you, Trent for breaking this down for us!

[@adamcraig5232]

I'm a Protestant, and now I love Trent Horn!! A lot of Mike's arguments do tend to fall apart when he is arguing against Catholicism. I have things I struggle with and have come to find that Prima Scriptura would be something better to defend. I think there is still an error in there as Scripture was ratified by councils anyway, and removing the Apocryphal has led to a lot of Protestant error when it comes to Revelation and the New Testament. When Protestants say something like the Pope is the abomination of desolation, I point to Maccabees and say no, Antiochus was! I don't think I have a problem with the Pope, or the Eucharist, or Baptism. I think where I struggle now is with Mariology as that does seem to develop later. I have Logos and Verbum and got Behold thy Mother which I am going through now. It may be shocking to hear, but Aquinas was a main feature in my 14-week theology course for biblical studies as a Protestant! The college I go to is ecumenical and Protestants and Catholics are going through it together, so I have been exposed to some things that I wouldn't have otherwise!

[@ajamusic7322]

After 2 months going through "Behold Your Mother," what have been your most recent thoughts and questions about the Marian dogmas. It'd be fun to chat!

[@adamcraig5232]

@@ajamusic7322 I can see more easily where the doctrine comes from. It still makes me uncomfortable though! I'm currently in a historical theology course in college. It has just started and it seems the book by Alister McGrath we are going through is highlighting how historical theology can help correct the philosophy of culture that crept into the church. It's becoming a deep dive into where the doctrines come from and the thought behind their creation. It's helping me realize that I am ok not crossing the Tiber, although, seeing Scott Hahn's passion, I almost want to convert every time I listen to him!! I no longer think there is that much of a Divide between Protestantism and Catholicism. I do think there would be a lot less Christian heresy running rampant today if there never was a split. I am definitely coming to respect and view Catholics as brothers and sisters with a distinct view of Christianity that makes perfect sense when examining church history. As a Protestant, I can recite Creeds right along with them, and have many of my beloved doctrines, thanks to the painstaking work of Catholic theologians! So to answer your question, there is a love there that used to be fear and a desire to convert, and that has come from opening up to the possibility that I might be wrong and studying history. I don't think I could become Catholic, but I no longer see the need to put up a dividing wall or challenge people for thinking that is the truest expression of Christianity. I think in eternity, we are going to be shocked by who is there and find out that our theological difference might have been the enemy playing on the human psyche the whole time to keep us separated as united we could do so much more together! The Pharisees and Sadducees still worked together despite having drastically different views on the afterlife. I think the broad division of Jewish thought within the 1st century is something we should pay attention to and learn from. The only people Jesus constantly lambasts with condemnation was the religious rulers who neglected that the law was to teach them to love God and love their neighbors. That love is supposed to draw people into the church, and I see that missing when we fight tooth and nail over secondary issues. Everything I love about Protestantism comes from the Catholic church though, so I cannot ignore that aspect of it! Nor should I fight people who want to turn to it!

[@ajamusic7322]

@@adamcraig5232 Interesting and glad it has at least helped you narrow the gap between us! Which dogmas would you say you are uncomfortable with and why do you think that is? On the flip side, are there any of the dogmas that you are pretty comfortable with? Also whats the name of the book you are using in class?

[@adamcraig5232]

@@ajamusic7322 I will have to get back to you with which ones still are bothering me by the end of this course. It is only week one, and I am being challenged more than I have been listening to Catholic apologists!! We are going through McGrath, A. E. (2013). Historical theology: An introduction to the history of Christian thought (2nd ed.). Wiley-Blackwell. ISBN-13: 9780470672860 Alister McGrath points out where Greek thought has come in and I think that is an area where it'll keep me Protestant. But I admit, it is a poor argument, as of course, culture influences thought and teaching. Mariology is one area I struggle with as mentioned above. I know there are great Catholic arguments for it using theological reasoning but have a problem with it as it is not explicitly stated, and seems to come much later. I do not really think the Pope bothers me too much anymore as there is some great stuff on following apostolic succession and that doctrine came out as a result of Gnostic heresy. Honestly, if more Protestants were exposed more fully to church history, they would drop a lot of their arguments and say, oh, that's where that comes from?! That makes sense now! The Eucharist used to be one that bothered me, but the arguments from Scripture that people were eating it, and causing sickness and death to come because they were not eating it with the proper hearts, minds, and in the proper way, have fully convinced me more is going on there. To answer your question, I think most of us are fighting a straw man as the Catholic church has gone through many reforms since Luther, which we generally don't know about from our side. This is where I've come to love Matt Fradd, Trent Horn, and Scott Hahn as I have a much better understanding of where the church stands today! Sacraments I am still a little divided on. Whether there's 2, 3, or the full 7, and I'm not sure how that would affect salvation. The textbook brings a lot to light and those walls are tumbling one at a time though.

[@Cato229]

​@@adamcraig5232 If Prima Scriptura is the proper way to be a Christian, why did Jesus spend all his time forming a Sacramental Church, giving it authority, and saying those that rejected the leadership of the Church (not books) were rejecting him? Seems to me, if he just wanted people to read and figure things out for themselves, he would have just written books. If the Early Church understood their role to only be write some history, a few letters, and then stop, why did the Church keep on writing? If they didn't understand that was what Jesus intended, were there ever any real Christians before you arrived? If they go could astray the moment the books of the Bible were finished, why trust they didn't stray before that? You may feel uncomfortable with how the Church is ordered. You may feel more confident about contradicting younger teachings. But Jesus never put an expiry date on his Church. He also never invited you to judge and pick and choose from it. How strange it would be for him to elect men who would elect men that he wanted you to ignore.

[@dominicboever33]

Thanks a lot for this epic series, Trent!

[@gainsofglory6414]

All due respect to Mr. Winger, but this video series was a major one in confirming my trust in the Catholic church. From all I learned looking into the subject, I just see Mike's arguments as paper thin and often self defeating, or dealing a large blow to his protestant theology and not his intended target of the church at all. Your rebutting points were very well done and crystal clear. You brought history and context to arguments that relied on avoiding both.

[@Polumetis]

"The Roman Church prevented people from translating the Bible into vernacular to hide the truth!" said the Protestant pastor, not know that virtually everyone who knew how to read in the Middle Ages knew how to read Latin.

[@jerardorodriguez6927]

Thanks for the new video Trent! Awesome and informative as always.

[@HoMegasTaxiarches]

Pastor Mike is an expert at leaving out inconvenient information that undermines his arguments. He never mentions the history of the role of the church in selecting the canon of scripture. Understandable, because then he would have to acknowledge that the church produced Holy Writ not the other way around. It's amazing that he cited St. Cyprian as a source who opposed the authority of the Bishop of Rome. This is nuts...St. Cyprian wrote the OPPOSITE thing !! And later in the video Pastor Mike cites Eusebius and conveniently "forgets" to mention how Eusebius wrote about Peter's successors in Rome. He's basically dismissing all the information in his own sources that contradicts his arguments. Listening to him makes me feel like I took a time machine to Germany in 1517 when the Reformation started !!

[@nanagaga2001]

Listening to this "pastor" spout lies about the Catholic church, which he obviously didn't research just makes me so angry and frustrated. :(

[@agihernandez7846]

Thank you Trent, going thru some of your books and learning how to go in a dialogue with our separated brothers and sisters

[@silveriorebelo8045]

they are not brothers and sisters - they are heretics, seeking to destroy the Church... as the Lord says, "I will destroy those who eat my people"

[@rebeccazens1564]

Thanks Trent, looking forward to your new book!

[@bigdogboos1]

I am often amazed as a former Protestant (just returned to Catholic church), that i used to make the same arguments with a straight face. All arguments about scripture alone are easily rebuked and can be disproven with basic reasoning

[@mar-vm9oq]

It really ironic for protestant pastors to maintain that they preach to the people the entire gospel of Christ when in reality they just pick out a few Bible verse in the letter of Paul to the Romans in explaining their doctrine of justification while totally ignoring a whole lot of other Bible verses which warns Christians of the real possibility of losing their salvation.

[@englishrose6627]

I'm a convert from Protestantism, and I made the best choice of my life. I.came closer to Jesus and I finally came home. I love the Bible and read it but I also love the tradition since the beginning of Christianity. I.have Protestant friends but someone like u puts me completely off.

[@spacedoctor5620]

If Pastor Mike insists that one simply has to have faith and is saved by grace, then what does it matter if he thinks Catholics believe different or unniblical things? If Catholics believe in Jesus, who cares if Catholics claim papal authority or teach that works enhance grace: by his own logic they will not lose the grace of salvation. So again... what is his issue? Is it merely along the lines of just saying Catholics don't REALLY believe in Jesus?

[@sivad1025]

Mike actually has a good point on this. He does not believe in eternal security. He essentially believes that mortal sin can lead someone to apostasy or is evidence of apostasy and that you're saved by true faith. His criticism of Catholicism is that many Catholics partake in sinful activity and use the indulgences and sacraments as works to earn back salvation. Catholics who fall into that category are at risk of not having sincere faith in Jesus' sufficient sacrifice. You see a lot of ex-Catholic protestants who will describe themselves in that category which is an arguable failing of the Catholic church. Even Trent concedes that this is one area where protestants have strengthened Catholicism through criticism

[@danocinneide1885]

The Name "Peter" itself is important...

[@jessicamellizagonzaga4937]

God bless you Trent Horn. Thank you for enlightening us. Hopefully we can defend the Catholic church when someone malign it

[@takmaps]

13:00 Good catch, yes in Galatians they didn't have the New Testament itself (compiled) so what would they compare to: *what they last heard*

[@danielhaas9469]

False, they would refer to what was written in the Torah...i see an issue here with respect to the fact that the Messiah came to fulfill what was already written down in the Torah... If somebody rejects the Gospel because of this or that it has been written "The stone that the builders rejected has now become the cornerstone." Therefore, understanding where the Gospel message originated from (OT) will guide how we ought to understand the NT. God tells us these things in advance so that we may know the Lord and in order that we know what will happen or take place.

[@dottorb7054]

@@danielhaas9469 Neither. They would follow TRADITION.

[@danielhaas9469]

@@dottorb7054 And what is that? What did the Appostles say via the Oral Teachings?

[@danielhaas9469]

@@dottorb7054 and what do you mean by neither? Are you saying that the Jews didnt use the Torah?

[@Earthtime3978]

@@danielhaas9469What if they mentioned people that weren’t in the Torah? What would your answer be then?

[@solarwind3656]

"the church fathers are not infallible" is the most Protestant thing I have ever heard in my life

[@Salutaris13074]

I am so sick of the finger-wagging and the utterly false accusations hurled at Catholics ( you all worship Mary etc etc).

[@JoshJimenez_]

I roll my eyes everytime I here we "worship" Marry

[@queenofhearts7726]

ultimateguitarwizard Paul is their “gospel” writer, even though he did not become a Christian until after Jesus ascended to heaven... he wasn’t an apostle during Jesus’ life.

[@theneverending9319]

Well I mean you pray to her which isn’t biblical at all.

[@theneverending9319]

ultimateguitarwizard y’all are only interested in church history, that’s your scripture

[@dmd418]

@Qwerty no they really don't. Please be patient 🙏

[@kentheonlywellmaybedontoo9754]

Thank you for your efforts trent. Your discussion of faith vs works here was real helpful for me.

[@juneluk7554]

Pastor Mike Winger why you have so much hatred towards the Catholic church which was founded by our Lord Jesus Christ?We are the first christian ( the original). Dig deep , the truth will set you free. I'm so proud being a Catholic. Good Job Trent, May God bless you for what you do.

[@vincentiormetti3048]

Hatred is a srong word. Do you hate the protestants? You obviously support Trent speaking out against them.

[@Kevinohanlons]

@@vincentiormetti3048 Trent is defending his faith, not attacking another.

[@vincentiormetti3048]

Is one less okay than the other?

[@johnyang1420]

Why be against the church that Jesus started? Protestants protest the church that Jesus started!!!!!

[@elizabeteborn5223]

The true church is the church that belongs to Jesus! It is not an institution,building or place! It is his body which are called out people from the world! They are born again! These people believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ! Repent of their sins, get water baptized( full emersion) and receive the Holy Spirit! Which will guide one to all truth! Very very few are truly saved in the world and receive the Holy Spirit!! The catholic church

[@susand3668]

Dear Trent Horn, your rebuttal is perfect obedience to what Mike Winger asked you to do -- you tested him! And this is the result! Thank you.

[@aclaylambisabirdman6324]

As a Catholic I listened to Mike 6 months ago and deeply appreciate this counter video Trent, thank you for protecting the one true Faith.

[@nosuchthing8]

Mike is good! I don't agree with him of course

[@ugostramacchia4115]

I SO MUCH AGREE.

[@zzzzzz9107]

I've always respected Mike Winger as a Bible scholar, but this is some of the worst scholarship I've ever seen. His blatant lie about St. Peter's absence from Rome was abominable, and would only work if you're not informed about the literature he cites. Great work, Trent.

[@mickyboyakari1502]

Trent, I'm waiting for the next time a debate performance of yours will compel a Protestant to publish a video on how to assess debates accurately. :)

[@danielsosa195]

Thank you for your service and amazing work teaching and defending our Catholic faith 🇻🇦. God bless you 🙏

[@krystallos81]

It’s really frustrating hearing Mike speaking so arrogantly. As a pastor, he shouldn’t be teaching his people that the Catholic Church are the enemy. That’s the opposite of what God wants. He also keeps picking quotes that he used for his argument, but doesn’t put them in full context or learn about the rest of those peoples writings and beliefs.

[@manny75586]

The more I hear Mike Winger speak, especially on Catholicism, the more I realize he is smart to avoid debates/dialogues as much as possible. A great example was his total misunderstanding of Paul talking about people usurping Paul and the Church. It's a shame. I don't question whether he believes in God or Christ, but he should concern himself less with Catholics and more with reading comprehension.

[@paradisecityX0]

Holy Koolaid needs another rebuttal. He responded to you and the village-Atheists are gonna declare victory until you do.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

I left a comment on his page reiterating my policy of not doing "Rebuttals to rebuttals" but that we could do a live debate instead if the topic was specific enough. We will see if anything comes from it.

[@megajoseesoj7578]

Just how the Israelites saw God working in their midst with the plagues, parting of the Red Sea, cloud for shade and the column of fire, manna, etc and yet they still created a worshipped a golden calf.

[@MystoRobot]

@@TheCounselofTrent That would be nice, If what "speaks" to them is material evidences of God's passage, I would recommend bringing up the several archaeological discoveries backing up the validity of the Old Testament as a Historical document. For example, the massive grain silos built following Joseph's prophecy about the famine; his involvement with Pharaoh and the statue of him _(on which his name is written, alongside other names/titles he had, such as "Imhotep")._ There's also the presence of sulfure surrounding the archaeological sites of Sodom and Gomorrah, evidence of the city's demise. This sulfure is only found on both sites, and nowhere else in the region. Those are just examples, there are plenty more. Of course, further research is needed.. Koolaid's audience seems primarily composed of hateful, condescending atheists who's knowledge of religion is very, VERY shallow. I'm sure you know better than us what kind of topic would be ideal to first "tackle" their spiritual curiosity. *Cheers man, thanks for what you're doing.*

[@paradisecityX0]

@@TheCounselofTrent He doesn't do debates, l don't think

[@ironymatt]

@@paradisecityX0 kinda like only going for the end zone when the other team is off the field

[@stevenchavez5979]

Not a follower of Martin Luther. So a pastor of a church caused by breaking away from the church that the Bible clearly say not to divide. So glad to have Trent and these videos. Thanks!

[@rosiegirl2485]

Pastor Mike seems like a smart man...how is he getting so much wrong...my guess...too much ego, and wanting the Catholic church to just not be so! Why...he in a sense is denying Jesus' authority to set His church up the way He would like! Let's pray for pastor Mike!

[@cantrait7311]

Thank you Trent loved your book “Why we’re Catholic great read

[@joeykordahi9927]

Hey Trent, As always great work. Please Trent do a rebuttal on VaticanCatholic Channel. They are sedevacantists. The current ones done on Catholic Answers by Jimmy and the other guy (Forgot his name but he is also a cool guy with white hair and was a former Protestant) do not contain any good refutations and a lot of people are complaining and it’s making them look bad. I know you are the one to pull it through. A lot of us following your channel have requested this. Please please let this be the next one Trent as your videos are truly very helpful and I personally love hearing you. I can spend days just checking your content. My only issue with your channel is NOT ENOUGH CONTENT :(

[@killianmiller6107]

I think the “other guy” might be Tim Staples. Also really good apologist.

[@joeykordahi9927]

Killian Miller yesssssss!!! Thank you. Tim staples!!!!

[@joelkelly4154]

It's better to leave sedevacantists alone. If you're into that sort of thing, it's probably the only thing you think about 24/7.

[@petarcosic2781]

Sedevecantist basically have same problem as protestants or any other heretics,and it is lacking of Faith.St. Peter and Paul pray for us!

[@joeykordahi9927]

@@petarcosic2781 Sure i am with you but it is not enough just to say that. We need to find ways to convince them that their logic is false. I know this is where Trent can come in. Trent is really smart and has great wisdom in these things and i know if he can teach us great things then we have more bullets in our arsenal of love.

[@glorybe2Son]

Thank you Trent. It so hard to watch a pastor try to confuse people just because he feeels threatened by the truth of the catholic faith. Soon he will be Catholic receiving the body of Christ.

[@vaticancitybride7137]

Catholicism is RIGHT!!!!!Amen✝️

[@Onniesprairiegarden]

Man, this guy is saying falsehoods left and right! Trent you have so much patience. I need to work on that virtue. The one that really got me is him saying the Apostles wouldn't recognize the Catholic Church- we have an altar. They would immediately recognize the altar and the Sacrifice!!!!!!

[@vag616]

Trent. You do an amazing job !!!! Thank you for all your work. .. I would like you to do a REBUTTAL on a particular video from James White on John 6. It is called " John 6 for Roman Catholics " where he is specifically denying the real presence in the eucharist. Hopefully you get to read this. Thank you again!! And greetings from Mexico!!

[@gardidelgado60]

It’s insane that they argue tradition isn’t important when God Himself spent years meticulously crafting traditions for the Jews in the Old Testament.

[@curiouslykristina]

“Your very first cancel culture, ladies and gentlemen” 🤣🤣🤣 WOW, St. Augustine started it all.

[@phoult37]

I laughed out loud on that one too. Pretty clever

[@raulhernandez8064]

A priest once said a weak catholic became a protestant, but a strong protestant became a catholic.

[@brandonreq]

R.C Sproul has a great video on irresistible grace and proving calvinism. It is called what is reformed theology part 1 and 2. As you mentioned at the end of the video, it would be more helpful to combat the biblical versus that support Calvinism, because they have a much different framework than the catholic church. Please respond to him. Thanks

[@andrewferg8737]

In all charity, I think many of our protestant brothers sincerely fear violating either their conscience or the Gospel and this fear (or perhaps zeal) predisposes them to an overly cautious and unwarranted skepticism of all but personal experience and intuition.

[@dominicboever33]

I think that Protestant book you brought up is called 'The Cotton Patch Gospel'.

[@edmundpace4030]

Even the devils that Jesus cast out knew (had faith) that He was the son of God. So are they also saved by sola fidei?

[@dialedinboxing2453]

Debate living waters

[@lalagordo]

Talk Catholic i will pay

[@dialedinboxing2453]

@@lalagordo would be interested to see them debate on salvation

[@impasse0124]

Talk Catholic I would love to see that! Ray Comfort strikes me as someone who means well but targets the low-hanging fruit, aka people who are very misinformed or uninformed about their faith. Not just Catholics, either. I wonder if he ever came across a really knowledgeable Catholic and didn’t post the video because it wouldn’t be good for his channel. We’ll never know I guess.

[@carissahanson9887]

Yes please debate living waters never mind how he tries to destroy Catholics because they might not know their faith well enough or even if they do he uses one Bible verse to tear down their faith but whether we agree or not he does this with many other people if he of different foods and uses guilt tactics many times I do not believe Christ or any of his apostles did that in such away.Yes Jesus did talk against sin and sometimes was harsh but for the most part one on one he’s spoke with Stirna’s yet was kind

[@carissahanson9887]

impasse0124 Well said

[@enocsilva4389]

The leaven of the Pharasees was not the doctrines. It was the hypocrisy.

[@bradleytarr2482]

Even if every single jot and tittle of Catholic Dogma, Doctrine, Liturgics, etc were explicitly laid down forthrightly in Scripture, Protestants would simply say, "Well I just don't interpret it that way."

[@francissimpson3904]

How very kind of Mike to express his pleasure that Catholics are being encouraged to read and study the Bible. I am 76 years old and ever since I started school I have been encouraged to read and study the Bible. In her liturgy, the Catholic Church covers in a four year cycle, almost the whole of the Bible and it is expounded upon in the homily. I doubt your congregation is exposed to the same amount of Scripture. Furthermore Mike, if it wasn't for the Catholic and Eastern Churches you wouldn't have the Bible. It was copied and passed on to succeeding generations by the ancient churches and the monks and nuns who painstakingly copied manuscripts by hand before the invention of the printing press. The early Christians didn't have bibles and the same was true of most people for hundreds of years but they were taught the Gospel by word of mouth, stained glass windows and dramatic enactments in such things as Mystery and Passion plays. So Mike ask yourself these questions and think them through very carefully and please don't be so patronising in future. 1.If Christianity is a 'book religion', how did it flourish during the first 1500 years of church history when the vast majority of people were illiterate and far too poor to purchase a hand copied bible? 2.If Jesus intended for Christianity to be exclusively a 'religion of the book', why did he wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press? 3.If the early Church believed in sola scriptura, why do the creeds of the early Church always say "we believe in the Holy Catholic Church" and not "we believe in the Bible alone"? 4. How could the Apostle Thomas establish the Church in India that survives to this day (and is in communion with the Catholic Church) without leaving them with one word of the New Testament Scriptures?

[@FonkyMonk3359]

If there was a % on how far along I am to becoming a Catholic I'd say I'm at 85%-90% the way there. I was raised Protestant in a Pentecostal church, but we ended up leaving around 7 -8 years ago when I was around 14-15. I've probably been to around 7-8 different protestant churches in that time and the one thing that keeps gnawing away at me is that every single one of them has completely different doctrine, multiple about the same verses. that was the first big thing because I know that there can't be 8 different meanings to the same verses, that doesn't make any sense. then I turned to the Catholic church because I knew they had been there from the beginning, looking at the early church fathers and didn't see any of the protestant theology I had been raised in until the Reformation, along with the canon of scripture having the Apocrypha until Luther and Calvin came along. it seriously does make me wonder if what I had been taught since birth was true. plus I'm Irish, so Catholicism would fit right in with me lol

[@woolgloves]

I think it's because we, protestants believe that the ultimate fact to believe is that Jesus died and resurrected for saving us from our sins. It's the only thing that is needed to be believed we believe. Of course, we have the privilege to read Jesus' words and learn from him, and sanctify as we go. How have you been doing?

[@johnyang1420]

Try RCIA

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Hopefully you are still exploring the Catholic beliefs. My spouse went through RCIA twice before converting. Now they are a wonderful Catholic but conversion takes time. It's not all about the intellect, it's about the heart. On the intellect side, I think its fitting to explore the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist - the Real Presence of Christ - to give us Grace. If Catholic's are right here, everything else will fall into place. I posted today asking Mike Winger the following questions. I re-post as I see it is fitting to do so. These are all good questions to explore and answer. Read the Catechism and a great video (and book) to watch is Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist by Dr. Brant Pitre. He speaks to the Old Testament types of the New Testament fulfillment. One doesn't get taught this at Calvary Chapel (Mike Winger school). kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmWYc3t6h6Zqprcsi=QuYeIKbCVcEKVH0v [Mike Winger] "Test all things. This is not a biblical view." Great Mike. - What does Jesus say below, the Written Word of God? - Which of Jesus words show he is speaking symbolically only? - Who took him as speaking symbolically only in the bread of life discourse? List who. - Who in the same passage took him as speaking literally? List who .. and include the 1st paragraph of Chapter 7. - Who in Church history, for the first 1000+ years, took either of these passages as Jesus speaking symbolically only? - Who in Church history, for the first 1000+ years, took either of these passages as Jesus speaking literally? (quite a long list) Who has the biblical view, you or the Catholic Church (Orthodox too)? - How do you test whether your fallible interpretation is correct?? _And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”_ (Lk 22: 19) _41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me. 46 Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread[c] which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”_ _52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”[d] 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me._ (Jn 6)

[@ugostramacchia4115]

TRENT IS SPOT ON. THANK YOU.

[@joelkelly4154]

Where in the Bible does it say we are owed assurance of salvation?

[@ironymatt]

Bingo. When the protestants ostensibly equate salvation with the spiritual equivalent of a contractual guarantee, they essentially obviate any need for a genuine striving of the true fruits of a relationship with the God of Love, like the virtues of faith, hope, trust, etc.

[@donhaddix3770]

@@ironymatt Nope. Not owed, gifted. 28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8 You add works.

[@Earthtime3978]

@@donhaddix3770Are you saying being predestined means you don’t have to do anything? You must believe and maintain. Maintaining involves works . Unless you’re a Christian and don’t bother to work out your salvation .

[@donhaddix3770]

@Earthtime3978 salvation is by faith. not works. the saved will work by their new natures to conform forming to Jesus, Romans 8.

[@Earthtime3978]

@@donhaddix3770 faith and works otherwise you can live like the devil and be saved. Work out your salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING . Why have fear if it’s a one time shot?

[@champagne.future5248]

Trent is so charitable and patience oh my gosh 😭😂. That’s maybe his most important lesson for me

[@luvall293]

Protestant's big mistakes are they always criticise Catholics and come to debate and at last gets beaten very badly by the Catholics...some humble pastors converts to Catholicism and some die in ICU then...

[@frankjamesiii5362]

The Roman Catholic Church is the biblical church. Before I came to the church I did search the scriptures to test certain doctrines and traditions. And I discovered how biblical the church actually is. How true and realistic. How sound the Traditions actually are. The only Church with the authority to teach and preach in the name of the Lord Jesus. If we don't have faith in apostalic Succession, wich is biblical and can't be denied, we have no faith. We donnot believe that Holy Spirit has been with us to the end. Only faith in ourselves. A form of pride and a stumbling block to this age.

[@daybyday2275]

Hello. Any chance you can go after the sedevacantist "Vaticancatholic.com" youtube channel and do rebuttals to some of their videos? Please. I would appreciate it very much.

[@phoult37]

They're not worth it. 1. They are not pastoral and tell people to stay away from the Sacraments since just about everyone, in their opinion, is a heretic. 2. They fail the simple "does it bear good fruit?" test. Are there issues with the Church and Vatican 2? yes. But have people grown holier even in that Church? of course. So while they might point to problems, they are severely lacking in solutions, which is why they say we are in the end times as prophesied in Revelation. The Diamond brothers are really a cult.

[@nthdegree1269]

@@phoult37 Dimond brothers seem very unstable.

[@phoult37]

@@nthdegree1269 I agree. Their argumentation is impressive and they cite a multitude of sources, but take a step back and look at the big picture and it's apparent that their worldview is cultish.

[@daybyday2275]

@@phoult37 While that is true, they cite a lot of sources to make really long winded arguments and people get taken up in that. That's why a rebuttal would be profitable and why I request it. ^_^

[@williamjameslehy1341]

On the one hand I'd love to see Trent tear into their bullcrap, but on the other I don't think think they're worth his attention. They're way out on the fringes of the fringes of post-Catholic 'rad trads' along with the self-proclaimed 'Pope Michael'.

[@joekeegan937]

Excellent videos Trent; thank you.

[@markie0320]

Trent please rebutt Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) channel to save catholics here in Philippines.

[@johnyang1420]

Stay far away from Iglesia Ni Cristo….they try to pull Filipinos out of the Catholic church. It is all about the money.

[@avataranime101]

Watching as a Protestant, because I find it beneficial to learn Catholic apologetics from a learned Catholic apologist/theologian. It's important to be strong in my faith and know what I believe and why I believe it, and I find it helpful to learn of opposing views.

[@sivad1025]

Same. Although this is mostly creating a crisis of faith for me because Trent and Mike are my two favorite Christian KZbinrs and they both make good criticisms of the other side. I find myself more and more critical of Protestantism yet unconvinced on important staples of Catholicism like the continuing magisterial authority

[@michaellawlor5625]

Yay!! Been watching a lot of Mike lately.

[@MatPentz]

Me too! A solid teacher. Because Trent has sped Mike up so much " to save time", I have to playback at .75. Trent sounds like he is wasted most of the time.

[@johnyang1420]

It would be best to stop watching Mike Winger and take RCIA

[@curiouslykristina]

Thanks Trent for doing these videos that no one else seems to want to! ☺️

[@PorcelainRequiem]

Hanukkah is in the Bible! It's in Maccabees, which Protestants removed. Obviously Christians celebrate Christmas (Christ's Mass), but the origins of Hanukkah are in the Old Testament.

[@Earthtime3978]

It’s in the NT as well. John 10:22 Then the Festival-of-Dedication took place in Jerusalem. It was winter. 23 And Jesus was walking in the temple, in the portico of Solomon.

[@adjustedbrass7551]

I love Mike Winger. He was instrumental in grounding me when i was young in my faith.

[@printedmarble6985]

Pretty please do a video on Cleveland Street preachers on their anti-Catholic videos, they are pretty short but would be interesting to watch you talk about it

[@catholictransformation696]

@Printed Marble If you search Cleveland Street Preachers on Google - My long article should be in the top 5 results: www.catholictransformation.com/really-joseph-an-ex-catholic-cleveland-street-preachers/

[@printedmarble6985]

@@catholictransformation696 thanks, I'll check it out

[@rpalmatres5898]

Thanks Trent, just found your channel and looks like I have some catching up to do.

[@StFrancisEnjoyer]

Jesus Christ I've never seen someone more smug that this pastor. I'd love to see a debate between him and Trent!

[@xouyxee9833]

Winger doesn't strike me as 'smug' so much as 'sincere and misinformed.'

[@OrthoLou]

First commandment, brother..😬 I do understand your frustration though..lol.

[@mainestitcher5038]

If you want to see smug, go watch James White. This guy isn't too bad.

[@megaloschemos9113]

I find Mike Winger to be very sincere, I like him although I can see his flaws in this topic

[@thomasfolio7931]

You here the myth that the Catholic Church has only recently encouraged Catholics to read the Bible. Many, even Catholics tell us that the Bible was forbidden or discouraged prior to Vatican II. I'll pull off my shelf four or five Catholic Translations in English and some in Spanish, French and Italian I have which have printed in the front Indulgences granted by Pope Leo XIII for Catholics who faithfully and prayerfully read the Scriptures at least 15 minutes a day. They also have prayers to the Holy Ghost before and after reading the Scriptures asking for inspiration to understand the Holy Writ. In the Vernacular translations prior to Pope Leo XIII there are also prayers and encouragements for Catholics to read the Scriptures.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

It doesn't take a theological argument to point out that the average person is incapable of understanding complex language and metaphor without assistance. Ultimately evangelical protestant churches are extremely fragile because they subsist off of wider secular cultural institutions.

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@Mercurius19]

I'm really loving this response series. It's like a Catholic EFAP.

[@Mercurius19]

@Qwerty Yeah, he can be really annoying sometimes, but otherwise, it's a fun podcast.

[@sososo2445]

It's amazing how Evangelicals are obsessed with the Catholic Church. Why don't they spend their time teaching their congregations about the Word of God?

[@joelkelly4154]

Irresistible grace/bondage of the will is transparent nonsense. People have free will.

[@seanfernandolopez9139]

True. That is my biggest objection to that concept. God risked being hurt by creating creatures that has free will so that these creatures (us) will love Him by choice, why would he impair our free will after we make a decision for loving Him.

[@thomasfolio4357]

I''ve been listening bit by bit. Just got to the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic section. Just a bit of trivia. The two Eastern Churches that have never been in schism and returned to the Church are the Maronite and the Italio-Greek Churches. Always in communion, and still in communion with the Holy See.