Tricep Kickbacks are a WASTE of Time

[@jacksonlivingston6092]

V Shred would say these make your triceps grow a fourth head

[@BEACHDUDE71]

That guy needs to be stopped 😂

[@Patriot66699]

Lol😂

[@karmacop217]

A third eye on the 12th rep

[@vbkn4454]

I’m sure his certification from Douchebag Lifting Inc taught him that

[@ironwolg]

Only if you eat a whole pizza first and never do cardio.

[@gjason6692]

That’s why I do my tricep kickbacks while hanging upside down from my balcony but only on super windy nights

[@callumfd]

Underated comment

[@nickl3872]

It only works if you're above the fifth story

[@test123497]

Agree ... I tried these on calm nights, and all I got was a visit from the Fire Department to rescue me after I passed out

[@cannz9134]

Hopefully not in Russia

[@leventeczigany]

@@nickl3872 you okay man?

[@gaozhi2007]

The only thing worse than tricep kickbacks are government kickbacks.

[@airjkd79]

😂😂😂

[@Fuq2]

The only people I see hating on welfare and govt assistance are the ones who are not rich, but also not poor enough to qualify. You’re stuck in the middle with no help AND no hope.

[@don8659]

Ahhh a man of culture I see lol

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

I've always hated tricep kickbacks, because I just don't feel much at all. They FEEL ineffective

[@mmendoza1190]

ok

[@ZA-lv8ba]

For me its the opposite. Exercises that emphasize the contraction feel so much harder and painful and the stimulus appears to be worse

[@shibinmi]

I agree. For me too. I wanna upvote your comment but you're at 69 likes and i don't wanna be the one to break it.

[@Herbert-dy1uf]

Jeff Nippard promotes kick backs in combination with overhead extensions. Are they both right? 🤔

[@sobo5476]

Use the cable machine leanung over and get your arm back, that's what Jeff Nippard recommended.

[@gillaliglaou2840]

the guy in the video who said he does kickbacks only has 2 adjustable dumbbells and a bench and he's working out with them only. no cables, no barbells, no gym membership, nothing.

[@sobo5476]

@gillaliglaou2840 I know, I'm just commenting that a recent Jeff Nippard video he gives good feedback on doing them with a cable machine. So the exercise itself is good, just not done like that.

[@Titusvorenus]

​@@sobo5476carefull with Nippard, I did one of "his" exercise it killed my shoulder for 2 weeks (lateral raises but with hands above the shoulders). I also did one of his abs exercise which killed my low back.

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

dumbbell kickbacks the way felix was showing definitely gives me a pump haha. I do them at home sometimes before going out just to look swole lol. 90% of my real tricep volume is overhead tho.

[@SaltedCanine]

Exactly what I was thinking. Kickbacks are amazing on the cables, I think this explanation could have been put into more context (i.e on dumbells). Our science bro, JN - knows his stuff.

[@LegendGaming-ir9km]

The end had me dying 🤣

[@chrisweidner4768]

Thanks bro. Merry Christmas to all.

[@joas162]

Just started doing them because Nippard told me to do them 👀 As part of a multi exercise routine including skullcrushers and an overhead extension

[@aNinjaBaseballBatman]

I don’t think thats true. IIRC Jeff was showing/talking about the cable kickback. This short sounds like it’s talking about dumbbell kickbacks. completely different excersizes Since one has the force down (gravity) and the other forward (towards the cable machine).

[@APR702]

Leaning over on cables it is a crazy contraction like you’ve never felt

[@rockyevans1584]

Pretty comparable to the db version.

[@jimmydeansausageeater7495]

@@rockyevans1584not at all

[@cillianduffy9708]

Can do them standing up on cables and it's the exact same. Elbow is in the same position relative to torso/ shoulder, changing hip angle makes no difference.

[@rockyevans1584]

@@jimmydeansausageeater7495 in terms of the contraction? It absolutely is. Don't forget the words you use broski

[@danielmontgomery6234]

And those aren't kickbacks lol.

[@stiflingmystrife]

yes, evidence shows more growth in the long contracted stretch but the difference is minimal. If you feel a good contraction and you like it do it.

[@-memorex1337-]

With cables are good. Good to finish the workout for No fatigue

[@steveffuksake]

I love cable's they take out gravity

[@mattocon6496]

Constant tension 👍

[@chrisboyer4194]

I cried at the end. That was very sad

[@ib1157]

Don’t be that lady wasn’t his mother, just a woman house he snuck into

[@kingofbudokai]

I've always done the standing "behind the neck" kickbacks Mike references here. You can seriously feel the stretch on those. Especially if you hold your starting position with your arms extended slightly forward at a / angle.

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

not a kickback. it's an overhead skullcrusher

[@andrewtorres2903]

Wouldn't be a proper video without the ending laugh! Thanks mike!

[@GeorgeWilkie-x4g]

Great and valuable info. And, great and valuable humor! Thanks Doc Mike.

[@don8659]

That last part caught me off guard 😂 got me good

[@JChan-ru2hf]

I really like this channel

[@d_page]

Well i love doing kickbacks as a lockout accessory support for my olympic lifts - then i enjoying doing skullcrushers or seated/standing tricep extensions to really fry them on their full ROM.

[@PhonySopran0]

I used these with a cable. Works fantastic.

[@soulextinguisher]

yeah those are way better

[@StMargorach]

I love tricep cable Rope pushdowns and overhead cable tricep extensions

[@emiliennelupien2526]

With dumbbells it’s indeed not ideal but with the cables I can get a pretty good pump out of kickbacks

[@johntheaircraftmechanic4844]

I like to do a set of kickbacks at the very end. After all my other tricep exercises, I’ll do a set or two to absolutely torch my triceps. Since they’re already pretty exhausted and all I have left is the peak contraction range of motion, I’ll do light weight for 10-15 reps.

[@MrLimpWrist]

This is exactly what I did! It just felt more like a supplemental/burnout/bonus exercise than a main exercise for tricep growth.

[@terigiese1322]

Kickbacks never did squat.Those laying down skull crushers hit hard.And dips definitely are also 1 of the best for tris if executed correctly.👏🏻💪🏻

[@rockyevans1584]

Cable kickbacks are amazing

[@steveffuksake]

Kickbacks aren't for squats 😂

[@himeshsinghshishodiya]

​​@@steveffuksake I think they meant "sh!t", must be autocorrect or something.

[@MLR4233]

Would they be better using a cable so the tension is consistent and pulling in the opposite direction?

[@olivergille8305]

I personally like doing one set of 5-10 tricep kickbacks with small dumbbells straight after reaching failure on my pushdowns. Gives you such a satisfying burn and a crazy pump.

[@SkylerDouglas]

The way I do cable kickbacks I put my arm at 90° and kick back and turn my wrist behind my back it hits the long head specifically.

[@locngo]

Its great for the long head of the tricep through, the resistance profile is perfect

[@stevebuczynski2756]

If you kickback with a cable machine, you get tension at the top and bottom. But yeah, I still don't really like em. Mostly skull crushers for me.

[@imagxry704]

damn mikes joke is currently my life🤣🤣🤣

[@calheaven]

He should have mentioned cable kickbacks which are the better version and the only version of these you should really do, and they are way more effective

[@coletaylor7936]

Everyone says this but no other exercise makes me feel a direct burn like them why is that

[@hagoromootsutsuki2619]

You been consistently doing them, good technique when doing them which is making you feel it in your triceps , plus its a exercise that works for your body also why you get a good pump when doing them. ..

[@GotHops3000]

Is he talking about dumbbell kickbacks specifically? I feel like you can get good results with cable kickback variations

[@calheaven]

Yes, obviously.

[@grishawinner6727]

I saw a video where Dr Mike’s friend and fellow science guy Jeff Nippard says kickebacks are actually good and get a bad rep.

[@dustinlowe6452]

Meanwhile I’ve seen videos and heard people at the gym I go to talk about how kick backs are the only way to target the long head of the tricep

[@buddygenemusic]

Dbell skull crushers consistently give me the best pump and overhead cable triceps extensions. Basically the main two triceps workouts you need

[@ButternutSquat]

Hey Dr. Mike, What about as a pre-exhaust before over the head tricep extensions with a dumbbell? The real muscle building work ends up happening in the tricep extension portion of the set

[@thisxgreatxdecay]

I'm already skeptical of pre-exhaust in general, but even assuming it's generally good, I'm a bit confused as to why somebody would do "pre-exhaustion" sets before an _isolation._ Are you trying to pre-exhaust a certain head?

[@ButternutSquat]

@thisxgreatxdecay it's really just for when I'm training triceps at home where I have limited equipment to work with

[@MikeTythonLLC]

my elbow is fucked from surgery, the kickback is the one i can do with the least amount of pain, so I'm going to stick with that.

[@SalilRawatSaxena]

Wtf happened in the end.. That was diabolical

[@Totesethan]

I need Dr.Mike to talk more about internal loads👀

[@gigyro]

I was so confused why you were calling it a bad exercise then I realized you were referring to the dumbbell variant. Cable kickbacks are great

[@yeastofthoughtsmind9623]

What about cable kickbacks?

[@JesusOnlySavesEternally]

What about kickbacks with a cable?

[@legacycannabisfarm6382]

Idk bro i worked them into my routine recently and it made my inner triceps get really sore. Kts good to change things up.

[@luna.m4008]

I've only ever felt it working more when you don't grip on the weight with your hands, instead you hold it instead of squeezing and leaving a bit of room from your hand and the handle, then you use basically more of the side of your hard to push away/up, so you're not using your forearms or anything like that, let me know/get back to this comment of you try what I just said

[@garylokers8375]

What about with cables Dr Mike ?

[@ValGursky]

Think brother. Use your brain and wonder

[@arkimedeez]

Same movement. If you just turn your body around and put a bar on the cable and do pressdowns its immediately better

[@justifiedkill7766]

I am guessing he is keeping with dumbell examples because kickbacks use dumbells.

[@matteofaccin6636]

On cables resistance is there for the entire movement, so already better, but just turning around and doing them over your head is so much better. Pretty sure raising your arms puts your triceps in a pre-stretched position

[@creater650]

His critique is literally about how the stretched part doesn't get tension with dbs because of gravity. That's solved with cable so yes, it is great.

[@LnR4Humanity]

These dumbbell skull crushers and JM press smith machine are my go-to’s They are 💰

[@AlexandarSterling]

I genuinely get the best tricep pump from kickbacks and have no idea why!

[@h.r.9898]

I must be formed weirdly I feel the kick backs but didn't feel the bench workout at all😂

[@davidwalsh1043]

It's all in how you do it

[@Gory-fp4wb]

So glad I found this, totally worth watching!

[@peterchown1552]

I have found strictly controlled close grip bench press with angled hand positions allowing the elbows to remain tucked in close to the torso absolutely murders my triceps, deep muscle soreness that often lasts a few days.

[@hoofhearted4]

Does Jeff Nippard love these for muscle growth? I love them regardless if they are optimal. I love that contraction.

[@brucefisher7355]

I’ve done them with my Undersun bands. I’ve never felt a bit of hypertrophy doing them.

[@Fish5216m]

How come Jeff Nippard says they’re good then

[@rniejx4219]

For some people, kickbacks work very well for a mind-muscle connection warmup. You have to nail yhe weight accurately to get this, too heavy or too light and you get nothing.

[@warren5047]

Triceps kickbacks are extremely effective when done with a medium-low pulley. Constant tension, peak contraction.

[@StMargorach]

Still feels like cable Rope tricep pushdowns and overhead cable tricep extensions are better

[@BSGA22]

I do the standing overhead variant, works great for me.

[@basis7089]

i do kickbacks on cables which negates all the aforementioned issues

[@manu2good11]

Lockout are best to finish for the explodesness

[@BrendanMcKenna-sf7zm]

Idk, my triceps are huge and I do cable pushdowns, overhead tricep extensions and kickbacks.

[@erikbuysbricks1562]

You can just eliminate half the range and at least still keep constant tension on the muscle. Still not great, but improves them a lot.

[@cccglobal]

I feel like cable kickbacks can be crazy good shouldn't that get rid of most of the downsides?

[@notAPS6]

I superset them with overhead extensions for the lateral head

[@thewillofe]

First problem is doing kickbacks with dumbbells. Thatt makes no sense. Kickbacks on the cable machine are actually very effective.

[@booyah9402]

Just like lateral raises if you think about it

[@Zypherv]

The exercise is called skull crushers BTW

[@MickThedon]

That got dark, real quick 😂

[@hshs78325]

Somewhat unrelated question but what is the optimal amount of reps and sets of body weight pushups to gain muscle in the areas that are affected when doing pushups

[@spartanstrengthskills371]

I actually like them. Though I used them typically at the end of working triceps

[@SPOOKYPUMP45]

Agreed

[@thomasdequincey5811]

I use tricep kickbacks as a warm up/pre exhaustion exercise.

[@prestoncassise4813]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the end

[@happyd9733]

Kickbacks work very nicely on cables though.

[@MarcoIsBig]

I do them all the time to get big arms.

[@jamieganderton]

What about with cables?

[@dannyhester3342]

Omg I hate that movement thanks for correctly explaining to everyone 😂

[@lightthef]

I do cable kickbacks. Still trash?

[@dantepolis2038]

And Kickbacks with cables?

[@FClasspro]

So why Jeff told us that triceps contractions behind your back standing is better for contraction, Iam just curios, I agree with Doctor here. Most of the time Iam doing either pushdowns or extensions behind backs

[@muffy_bunz]

Behind your back standing hits the long head of the triceps better then pushdowns, so it's a better movement for hitting the entire muscle.

[@thisxgreatxdecay]

He's right that they give you a better contraction. It's just that we don't have any evidence that better contraction = more hypertrophy. We have some evidence that better stretch = more hypertrophy. Nippard does both a movement with better contraction (cable kickbacks) and a movement with better stretch (overhead extension) because he wants to cover his bases _just in case_ it turns out that there are benefits of both that he doesn't want to miss out on. It's mostly a "well, there can't be much _harm_ in doing both" thing. It's really the same reason _I_ do both. Israetel is looking at this differently. "We have evidence that exercises with a stretch are better for hypertrophy. We don't have evidence that maximizing contraction matters. So, if I'm going to do a tricep exercise, may as well do the ones we have evidence to believe give you the most bang for your buck."

[@benjiusofficial]

Yeah, I hate tricep kickbacks. I see people doing them all the time but never see them do skullcrushers

[@plastermaster3635]

Use cables dumbbells sucks for this exercise

[@lenseay7645]

Unless u use cables

[@thomasawdffaw123]

whait, wouldnt this also be the case then for the tricpes cable or whatever its called?

[@MilesAnderson-i2h]

Mike they’re not bad because they provide a contraction-bias. Contraction-biased exercises with Tricep training are essential for prehab before you load them in extensions - or even just getting blood to the muscle after. Also, a kickback movement pattern is great because it neuromechanically leverages the Tricep’s Long Head, providing it a stimulus without needing to go overhead, which can help reduce fatigue on the rotator cuffs in a workout. You want a variety of joint angles. No, it’s a bad exercise because the resistance curve is EXTREMELY sharp with a long moment arm behind the body. As you get stronger on it, instability will become more and more of a limiting factor on the shoulders even with support. You want to do kickbacks either the way Jeff Nippard does them at a cable station, or just Long-Head pushdowns with a high degree of shoulder extension.

[@danielmontgomery6234]

Using a cable is NOT a triceps kickback. It's a cable triceps extension which is why it works better. If Nippard calls it a kickback its just to get more views. Dr. Mike is correct here and you are arguing over nothing.

[@lex6794]

They can be helpful.

[@sigspearthumb9574]

What about with cables machines ? I get a great pump doing that

[@joshbirdsall947]

I love me some cable kickbacks though

[@JesusOnlySavesEternally]

I’m glad he made this vid. Always hated them.

[@spectre244mc]

With cables? I love these for my triceps 😭

[@Shroomamite]

Ooh yeah, right before arm session... nice

[@freetinkerer3878]

Total opposite of overhead Tricep extension

[@danteghazizadeh1656]

I like how there’s so much debate on all types of exercises from science based lifters, bros, etc., but tricep kickbacks are so dogshit that everyone can agree they’re a waste of time.

[@gabrielsoto1112]

Not me doing kickbacks every tri day🫣😂

[@millenniumfox4814]

Triceps kickbacks are a trap for beginners. It can fuck your elbow up so fast. I had to stop doing any triceps exercise because my elbow was hurting so much.

[@carastone3473]

While they're not THE BEST, you admit they DO work, so I wouldn't say they're "terrible."

[@TakebackCanada10121]

I agree they do nothing for you.I haven't done them in decades

[@Leggir]

Jeff Nippard disagrees. So who's more of an authority?

[@nickfantoni5576]

How bout love handles after 40 🤔🙂‍↔️

[@orionsimerl6539]

No 💩. You do them with a cable. Tricep kick backs using a cable is one of the most effective exercises for triceps, it hits different based on the position of the shoulder being back and being able to complete the absolute range of motion from that position. Id like to see study results comparing muscle growth between tricep kick bachs avd other tricep movements. I would bet that different parts of the tricep experience more growth through cable kick backs than other movements.

[@WarnerWrestling]

What are the best dumbbell & barbell shoulder exercises?

[@michaelflores1356]

If that were true dumbell lateral raises would be ineffective