Trinity and the Christian God - NehemiasWall.com

[@oneseekinglight9491]

John 20:17 Yeshua said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.'"

[@messengerofiexist2139]

Yes Brother, It is clear in Jesus own words, he does not identify himself as a god or as the God. I struggle to understand how people can conclude that Jesus is God when he states he is not.

[@davidbrogan606]

In this Scripture, Jesus is honoring His Father. It is not what you suppose. This is the honor we are to give our fathers. They are as a god to us. Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

[@AntiTrollable]

@@davidbrogan606 absolute nonsense.

[@apokalypse7777]

This is said from s position of Voluntary submission as a human being, to the Father. Remember the scripture, the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us. Subordination was Prophesied regarding Moshiach. He would come lowly and riding on a donkey. He came to His own and his own received him not. Read Isaiah 53 The whole chapter. This is why as a human being he spoke as a man should speak before a Holy living God. Philippians tells us Why as well. Philippians 2 v 5-11. The Mind of Christ (Isaiah 52:13-15) 5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross. 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@apokalypse7777]

Andy How so??

[@kennethastewartjr9087]

I only read TWO in John 1 and every time Paul starts with greetings in every Epistle he writes he says"From God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.He never says From God our Father ,our Lord Jesus Christ,and the Holy spirit.God made man in his image but man has tried to make God in their image

[@truthsader3456]

The trinitarian agreed to Jn 1:18. Debate over. Jesus is a begotten God, and as such is subordinate to the Father. Carlos relied on scholars too much and didn't defend the oneness of God very well. It doesn't seem like he completely understands it as if accepting Jesus is divine and preexistent negates monotheism. He mentioned Jesus being ceeated and failed to cite this powerful passage in 1 Cor. 15:27-28. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. Neither has a very good understanding of who God and Jesus are, but Brian came across as more judgmental though he was a better debater.

[@heathersmith2201]

You are completely correct! Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@apokalypse7777]

Remember In Acts when Ananias and Saphira lied to the Holy Spirit?? What did Peter say to them??? “ You have not lied to men, but GOD. So clearly the Holy Spirit is GOD.

[@kennethastewartjr9087]

@@apokalypse7777 too bad people won't except it.

[@apokalypse7777]

@@heathersmith2201 Hello Heather😇 Can you explain this scripture in Isaiah please?? Isaiah 9v6

[@tamaramb78]

My simple mind has always thought of the Father, Son and the Spirit as a understanding for me to comprehend like a king and a prince. The king has ultimate authority and the prince has authority as well but the king has ultimate authority. If the king gives his signet ring to let say his son the prince, he then would have all authority. Yeshua, said that he only does what the Father tells him to do, that speaks highly as Him being a true servant, When the Father says He is given over the authority to Yeshua......it brings me back to the signet ring for me. Also, as Echad, as a man and woman is echad after they are married, they’re still two separate people but are one. So Yeshua being Echad with the Father is for me a beautiful understanding as who He is.

[@Johnnywalkerbravo]

Yes kind of like when the Pharaoh gave his ring to Joseph making him second only to himself giving him authority over all of Egypt

[@ennisel]

Good analysis... You've obviously read your word and the spirit has revealed that to you. At some choose to ignore its that, its taught that there's a man who's at the right hand of the father still making intercession for us. The meditator, the MAN; christ Yehoshua. No one denies Yehoshua, the spirit of the father, but to limit The Eternal to just 3 is not in keeping with the TaNaKh... He is and will be all in all.. That too is the meaning of him being echad... It's this 3nity doctrine I believe that's also made our hebrew bretheren run a mile from The Way christ came to reform.

[@apokalypse7777]

Please check out this scripture in Johns Gospel. This tells us a lot, if we have eyes to see it. Yeshua is praying to his Father. John 17 Capital letters for emphasis only. Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the NAME You gave ME, so that THEY may be ONE as WE are ONE. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your NAME, the NAME You gave ME. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. Jesus real name in Hebrew is YEHOSHUA. This is the name Gabriel told Mary to Call him. YEHOVAH IS SALVATION. Jesus is!!!!! YEHOVAH. So is the Father YEHOVAH. So is the Holy Spirit YEHOVAH. There is Only one True eternal Everlasting God. They are like a man and wife. ECHAD means one ☝️ Yachid also means one, but absolute singular.

[@bolingdang6020]

@@apokalypse7777 just fyi, Yeshua is the short form of Yehoshua

[@apokalypse7777]

Boling Dang I agree😇 YEHO-SHUA = YEHOVAH IS SALVATION😇 Brilliant isn't it. I love the part where Gabriel Tells Mary what to call her Miracle Baby, In the gospels. And it Wasn't JESUS as Gabriel would have spoken Hebrew to Mary.😇

[@eswn1816]

Thanks Nehimiah, for moderating this respectful discussion, much better than a 'debate.' I appreciate it. 🙏

[@dag410]

The more I study, the more I question. The more I study, the more I am troubled with contradiction, but with every piece learned, the picture comes to life. I pray it's a picture of TRUTH and not my own desires.

[@andreasedenekendahl1770]

When Nehemia gets excited it's hard to not get excited yourself =)

[@SonjaHand]

So True, Nehemia's Blessed to be able to allow openess on these subjects long left in the dust as indiciferable. Amazing 🤩

[@truehope287]

Yes!!! His "little boy giggle" is adorable!

[@elizabethmonroe5791]

I think Yeshua answered this question when speeking to the woman at the well. He told her that YHWH IS SPIRIT. He also said that it is YHWH seeks those who will Worship Him, YHWH in Spirit and in Truth. Yeshuas ministry did not even start till his baptism when the Spirit of God fell on him like a dove.

[@bettyweir3075]

John 14:28 You heard Me say, 'I am going away, and I am coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.

[@MDR-ow1uv]

1 Timothy 1:17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen. (It is impossible for God to die)

[@alvinford6522]

2nd Corth.5:18-19.

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@LPerezDancer]

indeed MDR, and the Messiah had to die a literal death. Yehoshua is the Messiah but he is not equal to his God and Father Yehovah who begat him.

[@joyceobeys6818]

Messiah was in the burning bush n and brought them out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and He was in the cleft of the Rock n speaks of Himself in third person in a few different places, ......also read judges 13 of the man seen face to face, receives worship and sacrifice. No man can see His face and live. He bowed Himself over and became flesh.

[@LPerezDancer]

@@joyceobeys6818 the Meshiach was prophesied to be sent and he was sent by Yehovah long after Yehovah spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Meshiach is Yehovah's firstborn of all creation but did not become the Meshiach until Yehovah sent him into the womb of Mary. So the Meshiach was not in the burning bush. Now, it is true that Yehovah used messengers to represent Him to various men in the Hebrew Scriptures and indeed some of those instances it could have very well been His firstborn spirit Son whom He sent, but he was not the Meshiach until he was sent into the womb of Mary.

[@CC-BCC]

I also refer people to Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

[@marcosponce960]

Yes I've used that on preachers

[@juanitobarcelona7050]

I'm just wondering why no mention about what is the name of his holy spirit?.why everytime the bible talks about one true God ,no mention of the holy spirit, always the father only and Jesus as the mediator or the way through the father.

[@ariluv83]

That's not the only psalm that mentions "the son" either. Psalm 2:12 says ‭Psalms 2:12 TLV‬ [12] Kiss the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish along your way- since His wrath may flare up suddenly. Happy is everyone taking refuge in Him!

[@sergiorodriguez5068]

NWT Exodus 3:15 15 Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation.

[@mattandmeadow]

Im not sure why you posted this as it reads like any other translation, Exodus 3:15 New International Version (NIV) 15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord,[a] the God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob-has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation So let look at a key problem with the NIV version , first they removed the name of God , secondly the NWT gets the essence of the word זִכְרִ֖י which means memorial so remembered is a better translation which is missing from the NIV all together.

[@STROND]

@OTTO OCTAVIOUS Yes there is NO connection between Ex 3:14 & John 8 :58.. There is a nasty youtuber (sam something ) and he used that line of reasoning, so when I pointed out the Aeh-yeh Asher Aeh-yeh is correctly translated as "I will " or "I will become" he proceeded to call me Satan worshipper, and told be he would destroy my Gods" he demanded that I Skype with him within 30 min or he would delete my answer and block me which he did ! He does this with people (one or two JW's too) then records it and then puts it on to KZbin !

[@travisrennie9863]

STROND Timepieces I talked to that guy on Skype, he demanded that I talk to him at 11 o’clock at night, he started to berate me with questions before I can even introduce myself. I gave up and let him ramble on for 20 minutes. Then I asked him about early church fathers and started quoting them and asked if they were Trinitarian. He wouldn’t answer my questions and told me he had a emergency meeting at 12:30 and had to go. I live in California so I really doubt he was telling the truth.

[@juanitobarcelona7050]

Very interesting question of Carlos on Isaiah 44:24..For trinitarian Jehovah is one but compose of 3 persons?..if Jehovahh is compose of 3..who is speaking in that verse?.Brian said Jehova is speaking..but the problem is for them Jehova is 3 persons.i watch this videis 3 times until now i can not comprehend how Jehova is 1 and yet compose of 3..no matter they explain trinity 3 pwrsons cannot be 1..

[@juanitobarcelona7050]

Trinitarians try to compare or ezplain1 God in so many things,but mo matter how they xplain it always ends to 3 persons not 1.I think the best word to compare1 God is to 1 family.bcause they said God is singular but with plural meaning like 1family.singular but compose of members.there is father,mother and son or daughter.all these members of the family have the same being.they are all humans or humanbeing.but if you are going to ask hhow many humanbeings in a family.?they are 3 humanbeings..and yes they all have the same bieng humans..but when ut commes to authority the father hhas the highest authorithy.the husband is the head of his wife,and the son only follows what his father told them to do.just like what jesus says his fathwr is greater than him.Christ is the head of man..that means Christ has the authority to us people ,..and who is Jesus head?..his father,that why The Father has the highest authority.

[@Rick-n8h1b]

I prefer simplicity, and the earliest believers in Jesus simply believed that he was the Messiah and the Son of God , not God. This is good enough for me. It seems that the belief about the Trinity and that Jesus was God, came about only after Christianity had grown into a large religion that had split into factions, and some factions and their leaders had the power of Rome behind them, as such the Trinity was confirmed by the Council of Nicaea in 325, after much argument and by the intervention of the Emperor. Those who opposed the Trinity were thrown out of the Church. This does not sound like the teaching of the Bible or Jesus, but the decision of men. The fact is, as Christianity grew, so to did the complexity and language regarding the different beliefs about Jesus and God, and basically it seems that people began arguing over words and concepts about God and Jesus that did not exist within the time of Jesus or the first 50 years after his death. Simply put GOD is ONE, Jesus is the messiah and Son of God.

[@daviddrew3372]

“ Who do you say that I am”. Peter replied “ You are the Messiah, the son of God”. The trinitarian is disagreeing with Peter and Jesus in that Jesus praised his understanding.

[@mrmike9286]

The trinitarian cult has always battled with true religion of one God. From its inception at Babel onto Egypt, Babylon, the Canaanites they opposed true worshipers of God as nations or as communities, the earmark of false worship always seems to be the trinity or immortal soul doctrine. I believe only for a little bit of time in the life of Abraham did some of them not give him trouble. But that was because Yehovah was with him. by and large though, the cult of trinitarianism infected the Israelites for a time no doubt. Tamuz. queen of the heavens etc. Molech then of course when Christ came it wasn’t long with the Roman mystery cult of trinitarianism infiltrating the congregation… We know this is the case because they killed Jews by burning them to death for pronouncing the name, and they burn the Christians at the stake, who would not accept the church teachings of hellfire trinity things like this… It’s surprising in one way the cult of the Trinity still survives. A true diseased decognitioning of the mind….wit growing dim….logical circuits not connecting. I guess it will survive as long as Satan is rulling this world.

[@richardmuller2343]

The most interesting fact about trinitarians it that none of them ever agree with each other about fact or explanation and they always end up arguing amongst themselves over the same deity. It is almost like the "blind leading the blind".

[@heathersmith2201]

That is because they don't even understand what they are talking about. Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@JRJohnson1701]

At 21:52 I would not say 'corrupt' but 'mistakenly translated'. If we can use Hebrew Matthew and the other Hebrew Gospels you found to get a truer sense of what Jesus said, maybe we can see how much more unified the Gospel and the Epistles are to the Tanakh. Your own examples of Matthew 5:17-19 and Matthew 23:2-3 are great examples of how the Hebrew version appears to be more sensible and in-line with the Tanakh.

[@pekde]

Where is that book?

[@JRJohnson1701]

@@pekde If you search for Hebrew Gospels, you'll find all four gospels and the books of James, Jude, and Revelation there

[@pekde]

@@JRJohnson1701 But which version, there are at least 3 available. 1987 Shem Tob, or van Rensburg family 2020, or Nehemia's who keeps the behind paywall.

[@deanwilson2689]

Theses guys are making my head spin, keep Torah and keep the testimony of Yeshua

[@Bear049]

Nehemiah please can you explain Genesis 18 18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Who are the three men Abraham saw

[@mrmike9286]

They are angels materialized as men. They would represent the true God so they were referred to as if speaking to God himself. Moses himself did this. We read Moses speaking as if to YeHoVaH directly…later Paul said the law was transmitted through angels…in the case of the 3 materialized angels; 2 went off to Sodom where they metup with Lot…..one stood behind to continue speaking with Abraham.

[@CC-BCC]

My take on it is that the Real Meaning of the Hebrew word Echad (One) is defined by Elohim in Genesis 1:5. It is not one as in singular, it is in fact "One in Unity", this is also the same word used in Genesis 2:24 when it states that a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall become one flesh ("One in Unity"). So when reading the "Shema" in Deut 6:4, the true meaning of the verse should be considered, since the definition of the word Echad precedes the accepted meaning here. Hear Oh Israel, Yehovah your El, Yehovah is "One in Unity"

[@nb3500]

@C C The word "echad" functions in the same manner that the English word "one" does. It can be a compound one or strictly singular, as in Numbers 7:15 which says: "one (echad) young bull, one (echad) ram, one (echad) lamb a year old, for a burnt offering."

[@P.H.888]

N B interesting that there are 3! As Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

[@Zion-jw3gm]

Could it mean also one of a kind?

[@apokalypse7777]

Zion2030 It means United in purpose and intention. But also Omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence. There are three that bare record in heaven. The Father the son and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one😇 Also look at Paul's teaching on the body of Christ and its members.

[@Banannaspot]

Where does scripture teach Yehovah has substance? How does Christ change from spirit to spirit+human without God changing? How does one distinguish between the Father which is spirit and Holy ; and the Spirit who is Holy?

[@marisakennedy777]

Thank you Nehemia. I don't like "debates" because they often are just about "winning" the argument rather than simply looking over the facts and having a sensible discussion in order to get a deeper understanding of the differences of thought and different lines of evidence.

[@Musick79]

That’s what Jews do, it’s called midrash.

[@mrmike9286]

That’s true I commented above to Nehemiah not to do something like this again, and bring himself down. He knows personally inside his heart. The stuff is almost too much to bear. I used to do these type of things 35 years ago hundreds of times. Afterwhile you realize after one or two scriptures if the person’s gonna be reasonable or not… Don’t even waste your time. You know the scriptures they’re going to use… Sometimes they know the scriptures you’re going to use… But either way the heart isn’t responsive no logical get through.

[@davomato]

English Standard Version You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@contendiendoporlafe]

A question for Carlos, the unicitarian exhibitor: If Jesus is a God inferior to the Father, according to your understanding of John 20:17, how do you harmonize it with the writing of Isaiah 43:10, which says: 10 You are my Witnesses, says Jehovah, and my servant I chose, so that you know me and create, and you understand that I am myself; Before me, God was not formed, nor will it be after me. There he clearly says that before YHVH "God was not formed, nor will it be after me." How do you harmonize it with your understanding of John 20:17, and with John 1: 1, third clause? Could it be that God the Father is God of Jesus because of his humanity? Well, in John 20:17 Jesus makes a difference between my God and God of you, "my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Obviously the Father is God of Jesus in a different sense to ours, whom we have believed in Jesus. Can you explain it?

[@mrmike9286]

John 1:1… Greek doesn’t have articles like English. so it uses an indefinite article when distinguishing has to be made. But it’s not always used. To know which one of the two gods is actually the true God and which one has divine qualities. The context also shows that Jesus as the word became flesh in verse 14 and right after that verse 18 says no man has seen God. But if there’s still a debate, the Coptic translation of John occurred just a few decades after he did the Hebrew versio.n the Coptic uses articles like English. What does it say at that John 1:1? it says ‘a god.’ Mystery solved.

[@contendiendoporlafe]

@@mrmike9286 Dear @mrmike9286, when Jesus was on earth, did you see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit at the same time? Or did you only see the person of the Son? Seen that way, what John, the beloved disciple, says in John 1:18 is true; "No one has seen God." Why? Can you imagine seeing God in all his fullness, if when three disciples saw Jesus in the transfiguration, they affirmed that his "...face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light" (Matthew 17:1-8; Mark 9:2-13; Luke 9:28-36)? That is why John wrote that "no one has ever seen God." In the Bible, Moses is shown speaking face to face with God on the mountain. Do you remember what Moses' face looked like when he came down from the mountain and how he had to cover his face because of the brightness on his face? In Exodus 33:17-23, Moses asks God to see His face. God answers that he cannot see His face and continue living. However, God protects him in the hollow of a rock and he manages to see His back. So, I ask you again, since our Lord Jesus manifested Himself on earth as a human being, being God in heaven, can you imagine He would have shown Himself in all His glory, if only in the transfiguration His face shone like the sun? On the other hand, dear, John 1:1, third Clause reveals an attribute of our Lord Jesus Christ. And I will explain it to you: John writes: καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος If you observe calmly and attentively, θεὸς and λόγος are in the nominative case. And only one of these two nouns has an article, which in syntax serves to identify the subject of the sentence. So if you look closely, the article ὁ is preceding λόγος , which indicates that λόγος is the subject of the sentence. So, what role or function does θεὸς serve in this nominative sentence? It serves as a nominal predicate. That is, the word or noun θεὸς identifies an attribute of λόγος. What does this mean? That John is saying of λόγος that he is God, but he is not identifying λόγος with the Father. Rather, he is expressing the simple idea that what the Father is, is λόγος, that is, our Lord Jesus Christ, amen. In no case does he identify λόγος with the Father. Remember, the Bible indicates that God is three persons, but one God. The Father and our Lord Jesus Christ are two distinct persons, but they are, together with the Holy Spirit, one God. There is a NEB version (New English Bible) that expresses John 1:1, third clause in a brilliant and very clear way: "What God was, was the Word." And that is the idea that John expresses in this verse that is so controversial for some, such as, for example, for the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses. Therefore, when you close your comment with the phrase: "What does it say in John 1:1? It says "a god." Mystery solved.", it is not really that easy, and especially considering that you do not present any real argument, nor have you gone into depth in what you are trying to defend so lightly. In fact, John believed that Jesus was God, and he was so convinced of this that in 1 John 5:20 he wrote about our Lord Jesus Christ: "...and we are in the true one, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." And he used the following phrase in relation to the Lord: ὁ ἀληθινὸς θεὸς (The true God). Biblically speaking, our Lord Jesus Christ is as much God as his Father. And the Lord Jesus himself expressed this on more than one occasion in front of the Jews, who understood that Jesus was equal to God by the mere fact of saying that God was his Father (John 5:18; 10:30-33; Matthew 26:63-66). So, as you can see, in the face of the biblical, textual, contextual and grammatical proof, your final comment, which you so lightly make, is discarded by the proof. I hope you will hear your reasons and come to the feet of Christ. Remember that before Him every knee will bow, even yours and those of the devil and his demons. Those of every creature, because He is King of kings and Lord of lords, as well as eternal God. May God bless you.

[@CreaTiApeldoorn]

I find the discussion if God is a trinity or not, very difficult. And lately I wonder if it really matters what the answer is? Take Yeshua, for example... only the meaning of his name tells me everything: Yehovah saves! Not the man Yeshua saves... no... Yehovah saves. Also, all Yeshua did, when He was here on earth, was telling that it's nót about Him, we shouldn't worship Him. It's all about His Father Yehovah, the Creator of Heaven and Earth! We should look up to Him and worship only Him. When it comes to the Holy Spirit, the other part of the trinity... In my understanding... He also teaches us it's all about Yehovah. Could Yeshua and the Holy Spirit then also be (a part of) God? Maybe, maybe not. Whatever it is, oneness, trinity or even ten in one..., for me it's very clear: in the end it's all and Only about Yehovah!

[@Johnnywalkerbravo]

Yeshua was used as a mediator to get us closer to Yehovah because we were to sinful to reach him on our own

[@BlessYHVH]

Yes!

[@laura-loves-god]

It matters very much. The first commandment says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". I feel sure that Jesus would be horrified to learn that 'Christians' are calling Him God. There is only ONE God and His name is YHWH - (I won't spell out The Name now because I'm not convinced it is Yehovah for many reasons).

[@crazywhiteboy613]

​@@laura-loves-god Then how do you explain when Christ said before "moses was I am"?

[@crazywhiteboy613]

Then how do you explain when Christ said before "moses was I am"? Or "ask the Father in my name"?

[@amberparacka1355]

The issue is time space and matter. When we see God interacting in time space and matter we have the uncontrollable desire to define it. And from there we try to compartmentalize these “parts” that we see. I find it fascinating that you see similar conundrums in Judaism with the Shekinah and also the idea of 10 in one from the Kabbalah that Nehemiah mentions. When Brian defines his terms I agree with what he is saying. But I do not hold to the term Trinity. It may just be semantics, but God tells us how to view and think of Him in the Shema as One (not three in one). Yeshua always pointed back to Yehovah and Torah. I believe Yeshua is my Messiah. But I pray to Yehovah and I worship Yehovah only. Many Christians replace God the Father (which they view to be judgmental) for God the son (which they view to be loving and merciful). There are also as many views of the Trinity as there are Christian denominations. That’s why it is always important to define what one means by the words they use.

[@PizzaDisguise]

Yeshua is YHWH in the flesh- what is wrong with worshipping him? He worships the Father because that’s what a genuine human being does- they bring honor to God. It’s a great mystery, but it’s true. He said that the Father’s will is that all would honor the Son as they honor the Father.

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

​@@PizzaDisguiseYeshua is not yhwh in the flesh. Are you dumb? Yeshua said many times that the father sent me. When you send somebody else, you don't become that person whom you send.

[@achristianconvertedtochris5862]

I think it is very important to give both of these gentlemen a lot of credit. Neither one of them are going at each others throat too much. I think that they handled himself very well.

[@davomato]

English Standard Version “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

[@garlandjones7709]

Read how the living creatures operate in Ezekiel

[@apokalypse7777]

Phillipians chapter 2 gives a good insight into why Jesus said some things that seem to be a bit confusing. He was acting as a servant😇😇😇

[@garlandjones7709]

@@apokalypse7777 Yes. All creatures are subservient to the spirit. Thats why i mentioned Ezekiel.

[@apokalypse7777]

@@garlandjones7709 Thanks for your comment😇 I believe that there are different ministries from Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But they are all eternally equal and one in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnipresence.😇😇😇 Only the Human body of Yeshua had a created beginning. I think that’s where some of the confusion comes from.

[@garlandjones7709]

@@apokalypse7777 No problem. I try to help when I can. The majority of the church seems to need it. With that said, me and you also would have differing views on the Godhead.

[@SonjaHand]

Thank You for opening this door. Over the years I have always just believed God and passed over the Trinity concept. I have always believed the Trinity as aspects of God. I'm little past halfway and it's really making me think about my impression of what is God in context of the Bible. I can understand the legalistic God as your Faith protrays Beautifully, and the emotionally charged growth as the Protestant and Catholic versions portray. It also important to notice how you deal as an arbitrary. This Broadens my faith and understanding, also empowers compassion towards all levels of faith Towards God and how the devotion evolves.

[@Oculoustuos]

41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42 saying, “What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit,[c] calls him Lord, saying, 44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, till I put thy enemies under thy feet’? 45 If David thus calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did any one dare to ask him any more questions.

[@luismelendez7885]

I FIND THESE DISCUSSIONS/CONVERSATIONS BOTH INTERESTING & INFORMATIVE. THOUGH MOST OFTEN THEY RESEMBLE DEBATES, WHICH SEEK A WINNER, DISCUSSIONS/CONVERSATIONS, EXCHANGE OF IDEAS MEANT TO OPEN DIALOGUES BETWEEN DIFFERING VIEWS, ALSO SEEK TO CLARIFY THE WHY THE DIFFERENT VIEWS HAVE A COMMON GROUND WHICH EITHER UNITES THEM OR AGREE TO DISAGREE UNTIL WE CAN FIND THAT CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHICH WILL SET ONE OR BOTH SIDES ON A PARALLEL PATH TO UNIFICATION OR SEPARATION. MUCH LIKE NEHEMIAH SAID, A COMMON DISCUSSION BETWEEN JEWS OF DIFFERENT PERSUASIONS. THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING US, THE BARELY INFORMED, GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OURSELVES.

[@S.R.M.]

Arius was a prolific writer in the fourth century, and yet we have nothing directly from him. All that is known of Arius' theology is from his enemies in the church. There may not be a way to know if Arius taught that Christ was a created being.

[@andreasedenekendahl1770]

May we ALL humble ourselves to Yah and to the possibility that we could be wrong about certain things. We must never allow pride to take over our lives. May this year be a year of truth, love, faith and obedience to the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. Shalom everyone =)

[@aripg359]

@1:31:10 you guys are correct!! And not only 1 John, but analyzing many other text...they don’t seem to fit it. In the book of Acts the disciples baptized in the name of Jesus ONLY. How come the Mathew 28:19 is the only verse says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit? I’m 100% sure that this was also added to create the believe of trinity.

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@pekde]

It is not in some Hebrew bibles.

[@John4.23-24]

I was brought up in a Trinity doctrine. However as I grew up and began to read and study the Bible for myself, I have come to an understanding of God in more like a oneness type way....yet not in a way that diminishes any of the 3 ways we understand God. For the last 2 years, I have been studying and learning how to speak read and write Hebrew, and this has opened my understanding so much! I now see Yeshua all over the Tenak! I see how Yeshua could literally be the physical manifestation of Yehova in a physical body as a man. I understand that we call Yeshua the "son" because he would be born of a woman and "Fathered" when God chose the use of Mariam . I do not see anything in the Tenak that says Yah can not do this. Supernaturally cause a virgin to become pregnant. Furthermore, All over the Tenak I see word play about Yah becoming our Salvation (Yeshua )! I believe the Holy Spirit, is the spirit essence of Yehova himself, the same one that was the life in the body of Yeshua and at the same time sitting on his on his throne, and yet withus and around us at all times.and who is now our comforter . I dont think it is possible to completely understand everything there is to know about God, because that is part of why he is God. All powerful, omnipresent , omnipotent etc. He chooses how he wants to make a way of salvation for his people! He is after all, almighty, the creator of it all, is he not? And he does not say we have to understand everything about who and what he is. I don't think our limited human minds can even grasp a total understanding of His awesomeness!

[@jaguillermol]

What do you mean by spirit essence?

[@PizzaDisguise]

I’ve also started to come to a similar conclusion that the “son” is a term special to the incarnation.

[@kennacollins1082]

If it was the father manifesting himself into Yeshua who in the heck did Yeshua pray to? Himself? That doesn't sound very comforting. Not my will but yours..... if they are the same, that doesn't make any sense.

[@John4.23-24]

@@kennacollins1082 it does if you understand throughout the Tenant Yehovah refers to Himself multiple times in second and third person as he speaks to either Moses, or the prophets. There are aspects of God we will not understand completely until we see him face to face. That is why faith is the evidence of things not seen .

[@movingup6175]

To Bryant, you said God is complex to understand, is God's complexity knowable?

[@pekde]

God should be easy.

[@frankkhethanidubedube919]

I find it rude for Brian to say his lord is not Carlos lord .. that's crazy ..

[@clarekuehn4372]

No. In absolute terms, a person or thing remains a person or thing, yes, whatever one knows about either, but not to the person talking and thinking. In common parlance, what the speaker thinks (idea) is not the same thing or person as another's, especially if there is a key difference . It is normal to say "that is not the same thing (as what I follow)."

[@coryc1904]

It's not crazy, it's true.

[@Hebrew42Day]

This is because the trinitarian god is very unloving and unforgiving and unmerciful.

[@apokalypse7777]

@@Hebrew42Day That’s not really accurate now is it? You call yourself Torah. Just look at all the bloodshed and massacres and animal sacrifices and cannibalism and infanticide and rape and murder etc in the Torah. Compare that with how many people died in the New Testament. God is merciful and patient and just. But he also hates sin. And eventually will judge and punish wickedness. This is NOT CRUEL or aggressive. God requires a certain standard of Holiness and obedience anything less is SIN. But there is always MERCY and forgiveness to the Truly penitent and repentant sinner🙂

[@Eli-hg5er]

Yeah, even his statement about the JW that allegedly they said "here is our theology.. we have a Bible that supports our theology" is that really said by those who translates the Bible for NWT? He really heard that statement from JW organization? I don't think so. He is making that statements against the JW to insist his own perception. However, I don't care how deeply he hates that group.

[@apokalypse7777]

Someone please explain Revelation Chapter 3 verse 1. To the Church in Sardis 1“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of the One who holds the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars. This is Yeshua talking to John. He holds the Seven spirits of GOD THEOS. So God has Seven spirits??? Can someone explain please.

[@richardmuller2343]

Seven in the bible represents perfection. These 7 spirits represent God's perfect holy spirit flowing in it's fullness. Later John describes them also as "seven eyes" indicating the perfect vision that God's holy spirit bestows on Jesus. (Rev 5:6). Thus he is able to uncover and handle any situation that may exist (Mat 10:26, 1 Cor 4:5)

[@pekde]

It is somekind of metaphora like most of the Revelations. They mostly can not be taken literally, as mark of the beast is not really physical marking or chip, nor is 1000 years kingdom 1000 years long etc. Now is the era of spiritualness. That is why holy spirit is here. We don't get all the information from bible but we have or should have a straight connection to God and Christ.

[@apokalypse7777]

@@pekde So if you can just pick and choose what is metaphor and what is literal? Then you destroy the word of God. Because you can then Twist the word to support any strange doctrine you choose. This is Wrong and a great deception. We are warned in scripture especially Revelation Not to take from or add to Gods Word. Under pain of severe consequences. So are the 7 Churches a metaphor?? No they actually existed. John wrote Revelation to be shown to the 7 churches. You obviously Don’t understand the bible. If you don’t understand Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic then you have no access to the original meaning of scriptures. Example Tell me the True and real Hebrew name of God Almighty and then tell me the meaning of his name and how it is constructed??

[@apokalypse7777]

@@pekde If the bible says the Devil is bound for a thousand years. Who are You to say “ it doesn’t mean a real thousand years”? The Holy Spirit is the spirit of Revelation. Jesus went back to his Father and sent the Holy Spirit upon his Church at Pentecost as he said he would. The Holy Spirit is the one who gives a soul revelation of who Jesus Christ REALLY IS. Then he empowers the life of the believers to live as Jesus lived, as a witness to Gods kingdom, with the commission to preach the gospel to people of all nations baptising them in the name of the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. What is the Name of the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT?????

[@pekde]

​@@apokalypse7777I am not going to play your stupid tricks with words. You are sill in the deception after your very bad JW era. After these deceptions many people go to other deception, and think now they have done better, but might be still some other plan of satan. You have not repented well and purify yourself, or something else is now separating you from the guidance from God. I don't know what it is, but please go in your knees and beg forgiveness from God in Jesus name and ground-shred blood, that will cleanse you from all evil, and ask Jesus to be your teacher, so that He can guide you in everything, so that you don't want to own yourself anything He does not allow to your pant in current time. That way you will find eventually piece by piece the truth and also the correct teaching and understanding will cover you. I wish you all the best, and God bless then when you are on the right way. It is still your decision to be humble or not. I had the same problem 20 years ago, when I wanted to follow Jesus. First I was deceived by the satanic deception coming from the Toronto "blessing". This is the plan of God, that he will see if we have the love towards truth or not. That's why satan has got all the power in this era we are living now. And those seven churches in revelation you can see, that most of the churches were already THAT TIME totally wrong. The more they are likely today, and within my observations, there are not many churches people should belong. You just need to Jesus to guide you. And this statement in revelations it does not mean there would not be any errors, the NT is full with errors in those Greek translations, they are far from original. All the scholars have said that. Before I thought these would be much more original words directly from God's pen, but no. In OT was different, God wrote the stones and gave direct paragraphs to Moses what he preserved then, and they are pretty clear rule book. In NT God didn't want to preserve the books and letters as 100 % pure God's word. People influence is there inbetween, for some reason. Catholic church had also a big influence there, to preserve their own values, like the strong trinitarian doctrine - they even killed if you didn't believe in trinity. About the NT errors one of the best examples is "comma johannum". Might also have some writing mistake by me, but if you put it to Google, at least he understands. I would have thought you will know that the Bible is full of metaphoras, both the Old and New Testament. Of course also straight concrete words, most of them, but should not be a surprise to anyone. 27 And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the Lord which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God. => Was there a living spirit in the stone and brains and it heard and thought? So you do not think most of the revelations is a metaphora, which does not straight mean what is coming? Rather it is kind of secret encrypted message. Do you know, that Luther did not want to Rev. 1: 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And having turned I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 and in the midst of the candlesticks one like unto a son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about at the breasts with a golden girdle. 14 And his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 and his feet like unto burnished brass, as if it had been refined in a furnace; and his voice as the voice of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth proceeded a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. Do you think, that without reading Revelations you can not be saved? If you have just read the other books in Bible, but not Revelations, you can not be saved? Is that what you really mean? I wish you start thinking what is relevant. Rev. 12: 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. 4 And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. 5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they may nourish her a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angelsgoing forthto war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 8 and they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. 10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death. Do you really think, that a dragon is cast down to Earth? Then you can realize something is happening. And the lamb, like the sheep which says BA-A-A-A-AAAH? Are these then going here all over? What about the famous word, you would like to think, that is most of the cases WORD = JESUS, or that when God speaks there actually Jesus jumped to speak in the beginning? Always, almost always, or rarely? I think rarely but definitely in some cases, for example here in revelations. Bible is full of metaphoras. Jesus also explained, why he spoke to people only with metaphoras. We are close to the time that Jesus comes back. We have to be very obedient and careful now, because 2. Thes. 2: 7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[@amyleebe11]

If language is inadequate to explain the trinity, then how did Brian come to understand it, and why does he think he can do what scripture could not, in describing it to us?

[@me-n-myself-n-i3665]

I hope you do more of these. I liked seeing things discussed civilly with 3 people who have different beliefs on things. I would like to hear a little more of the jewish belief in these discussions though. Thank you for posting this. I

[@atlasdm]

Interesting debate but I wish Carlos and Brian had been on the same level linguistically. Carlos seemed to have a stronger argument that he just couldn't articulate (likely because he grew up in a non-english-speaking country). Meanwhile, Brian's strategy seemed to lean more heavily on pedantry and verbally bullying the direction of the conversation.

[@nomis_10]

I agree, Carlos has a stronger case

[@davechristensen8299]

I wish I could have an hour with Nehemia to help him understand how biblical monotheist Christians can agree with the Hebrew singular God. This debate fell short. Nehemia will be translating Hebrew Gospels. There are issues that the world needs him to understand and clarify. Jesus said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father BECAUSE the Father lives in me." Jesus describes a relationship that we are invited into. Jesus did not say he was God. Carlos, the unitarian won. He said to the Trinitarian, "How can you call God 'He' if you think He is multi-personal. You should call God 'They'." BUSTED! Brian was a gentleman, but his Trinity was psycho-babble. You have to force the Trinity into the Bible. It isn't there. Arius was NOT the spokesmen for all non-Trinitarians. He was the only non-Trinitarian at the Council of Nicaea. The original Jewish Christians were not invited to the Council. Most of them were murdered by the Trinitarians. Trinitarians are NOT monotheists. God said, "Let US make man..." Maybe the Son was involved. There is no implication that God Himself was a Trinity. You have to read that into it. The Trinitarian argued that Jesus has the nature of God. Of course he does. But that doesn't make him God. Jesus is the Son of God. The Creator alone is God.

[@Johnnywalkerbravo]

You are correct when he said let us make men in our image the son was involved because the bible says he was a master worker and says all things were made for him and through him and calls him the firstborn of all creation but that does not indicate a trinity it just shows Jesus existed way before he came to earth in heaven and had a close relationship with God and was not the creator o co creator but had the privilege of being used by God to create everything else hence he is called God's only son because there is no other one like him created directlyby God, when he told his disciples he asked they would be one with him as he is one with the father now that wouldn't mean they would become part of a trinitarian Godhead but it meant they would be one in the sense of unity trinitarians use all these twisted scriptures giving them a meaning that isn't there

[@RedDwarfism]

Yes indeed 😊 what you have said is a Vital truth.

[@RedDwarfism]

@@Johnnywalkerbravo Yes it's not the Trinity but it is Jesus 😀

[@heathersmith2201]

Very true! Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@mrmike9286]

Could also have been talking with the symbolic 24 chaired council around the throne mentioned in Daniel and Revelation…the angels…us?

[@karinhopkins6158]

Since the Word tells me Yeshua is my elder brother that makes me his younger sister. What is really important is having us live and walk in true spirituality experiencing our heavenly fathers blessings. As I told a friend about learning from Rabbi Nehemiah Gordon sharing about his journey in attempting to find our heavenly fathers real name I repeated to her the name Yehovah. As I did power manifested in my body and my personal space of 2-3 ‘ around me for approximately 30 seconds. It felt similar to electricity and seemed to have density to it. Days following this experience I noticed a stiffening in the muscles of the lower half of my body and calves in my legs getting life back to them. One year later all muscle function perfectly again. Had this not happened I may could have ended up immobilized.

[@mishkaned7777]

Every time i read the word of God...the sentences always divide between GOD and THE SON, GOD and CHRIST, GOD and YESHUA!

[@susancassels5887]

Except the many passages where it says they are one. There are also a number of places in Scripture in which YEHOVAH refers to himself as Creator, Savior etc. He also speaks of his right hand, not his right-hand man, performing cettain actions. Everyone needs to be born from above and then let the indwelling Spirit lead us into all true as was promised. As we are tranformed from glory to glory to be like our Savior with the mind of Yehoshua Hamasiach we will become one with the Father growing up unto the stature and measure and fullness of Messiah. HalleluYAH!

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@JamesLee-fd9ce]

Interesting discussion, I look into Hebrews and it does not support the trinity argument at all. Hebrews 1:6 in the NIV sates "when God brings his firstborn into the world" So Christ was his firstborn before he came in the world? I mean who is Proverbs 8:22-32 referring too verse 24: "when there was no Oceans, I was given birth..." Is that the Holy Spirit or The Messiah? And the Messiah says in Matt 12:32: "Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." How can they be the same Person if the punishment is for one and not the other? And Revelations 5 the whole chapter but verse 13 "to him that sits on the throne and to the Lamb. There is so much more but look at Revelations where Christ is also called "the firstborn from the dead..." Rev 1:5. Okay my last one is Rev 1:6 "and has made us a kingdom of priest to serve his God and Father..." Why doesn't scripture mean what it says: Hebrew 1:8-9 "But about the Son he say, Your throne, O God will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." Look bro if God is calling his Son "God" how do you argue against God? Proverbs 30:6 says: "Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar." "

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

Hebrews 1:8 is a quote of Psalms 45, so it's But to the son he says, your throne of judge is forever and ever

[@geriallen7443]

Here we have a clear example of finite man with our finite Minds in a finite world trying to understand an infinite God. It simply cannot be done with our little bitty sinfully fallen brain. Nevertheless, these discussions are so very important because they remind every Christian that Jesus is our rabbi and we all sheep in God's pasture. So, we will not get gagging at gnats and swallowing camels. They both did an excellent job. Thank you for sharing us wisdom.

[@nomis_10]

Great conversation. Carlos was well prepared. Brian did his best. Nehemiah interrupted more than I'd like but, an overall great debate. Praise to our God, Yehovah

[@Skriften]

"Every character/person in the so called new testament had only one Scripture as basis for their "writings and faith". (Why not just follow that?... everything else i just commentary)

[@P.H.888]

Because the old Covenant was unable to Save, so God Promised & Delivered The Brand New Covenant ✝️ Knowing the scriptures isn’t enough! You have to have personal covenant with The Author 🕊

[@JonathanAllenMichael]

@@P.H.888 The New Testament is mostly just repackaged quotes from the TANAK... yet all throughout the Torah, Writings and Prophets, the scriptures are replete with examples of YHWH saying to the Hebrews that he alone through his Torah could save them... "If my people...will repent and return to Torah... THEN I will hear their prayers and heal their land..." etc.

[@nickstrickland4751]

P Harrison It’s the renewed covenant in his blood, which Israel broke when they worshipped the golden calf, the trinitarian worship of Jesus is that golden calf, trinitarian Christians today are just like the Egyptians who worship bulls and lambs, the death of Yeshua was for the sin of calf and lamb worship, but Yeshua became the sin of Israel so that we could become the righteousness in Messiah, the sacrifice of the lamb was the sacrifice that saved the firstborn of all that applied the blood to the doorposts, but killed the firstborn of those who didn’t, so the lamb became a symbol of deliverance through its offering, yet those who make the lamb into a thing to be worshipped will die in these last days, and I see trinitarian theology and those who adhere to it as the firstborn of Egypt, this theology will come to destruction in the near future,repent my people Yeshua became a deliverance to all especially to fulfill the new covenant to Israel, and their deliverance from pagan Constantine Christianity, and the freedom to return to the same Elohe that our fathers served. We now have a mediator between Yehovah and Man Yeshua messiah the man Christ Jesus. We must purge ourselves from the trinitarian old leaven of Constantine Christianity, and become a new lump as we celebrate the feast of firstfruits, for we are a kind of new firstfruits unto Yehovah our Elohim, for those in messiah the feasts celebrated from generation to generation were just shadow pictures of good things to come thanks be to Yehovah that we have such a Highpriest and Rabbi to teach us his ways

[@heathersmith2201]

True scripture (the word), points to the Torah itself. Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@Armageddon2036]

Hi, Nehemia, I would like to know if in the sentence of Genesis 1:26 "Let us.. our image ...our likeness..." the form of the plural is dual or multiple? Nouns have two plural forms in Hebrew, the dual form and the multiple form. I am interested in the form of the plural. Thank you!

[@calliegal235]

Johnny, also see Dr. Michael S. Heiser on this. Great teacher, specialty Hebrew and semitic languages.

[@romanb1853]

I am an ex-catholic, so please don't see what I am saying as a rant. In my research I have found that Catholicism is founded upon lawlessness. I believe most unitarian, arians and trinityion in the 4th century were lawless who taught the heresy that Yeshua came to do away with the Torah, which is untrue, looking at the plain words of Yeshua and his disciples. These bunch of so called scholars, enlightened church fathers in the 4th century could not work out Yeshua's sacrifice was only to negate the sacrifical laws, listed in leviticus, which was an amendment after the initial transgression by Israel, worshiping the golden calf. How if these scholars from the 4th century could not figure out the gospel from NT books, can they possibly figured out the relationship between God and Yeshua? Therefore, the trinityion guy on the left has no right to say, a Christian who willingly ignores the teaching that God is trinity is not truly saved is utter nonsense. Catholicism teaches lots of illogical heresies, of which Trinity is one of them, in my opinion. In the book of the Revelation, we see John describes everyone is judged according to their works, not if they are trinityion. ( Please do not think you can work your way, by being charitable or by diligently following all laws. As bible teaches, if you sin ones, you are liable to die. And Yeshua redeemed you, hence you go and sin no more). Now let us agree it is impossible to truly understand the relationship between God and Yeshua. Best possible relationship we have is of the father and the son, as portrayed by Yeshua and his disciples, in the gospels. We can always request for more detailed explanation in the world to come by Yeshua himself.

[@taliromashkina7184]

niko my cousin lets bowling

[@RedDwarfism]

Jesus fulfilled a prophecy which was spoken through the prophet Jeremiah - Jeremiah 31:31-34.

[@heathersmith2201]

Hello my friend! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@pekde]

I think you ex-catholic spoke very good. I am very worried about catholics. They are the biggest but they are deceived. Like Mary and saints worshipping and the rosary prayer. They are who we should help most. Sacraments don't save, only living and personal Jesus. They don't even read the bible.

[@othenz9966]

Pastor Brian Garcia, Judas Iscariot was an apostle of Jesus too... No surprise there when you turn your back from Jehovah God and Jesus Christ!!!!

[@bronni9178]

Thats why its important to know his name.God and Lord are titles only.

[@nickstrickland4751]

Bron From the eternal before the beginning there wasGod his name was Yehovah, who was, is, and will be, every other name are titles and descriptions but are not names I agree with you

[@JonathanAllenMichael]

@@nickstrickland4751 Actually, God is the translated form of GAD, pronounced with the long AW, which the northern tribes of Hebrews went after, morphed over time and migration, becomes Gott or Goth, even Goat to the Norse, nothing more than the repackaged Odin, who is Old Norse version of Ra/Ba'al/Molech/Saturn, etc. Thus, the all-seeing eye above the pyramid, with "In God We Trust" begs the question, "WHICH GOD???"

[@nickstrickland4751]

Jonathan Allen Michael Interesting

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@jplap610]

What about the 7 sprits of God are they not God to if his sprits is God are not his sprits also God? Is the sprit of God 1 or the sprits or is apart of the 7?

[@anacc8837]

i WONDER WHAT'S GORDON'S COMMENTARY ABOUT THIS TOPIC: GOD IN THREE BEINGS?

[@josiahhosein795]

This episode is over 2 years ago, so I don’t know if anyone’s going to see this,,, a great discussion,, but if you believe in a trinity, you might as well believe in Hinduism,, you can look it up,,,

[@pekde]

I got it.

[@JustMeAsIamHere]

Always nice to hear personal testimonies.Shalom and blessings.

[@maureenmiaullis6427]

I have started leaening Hebrew. Looking forward to being able to read the tenak and then later understanding what I am reading.

[@chucknewman7076]

Thank you Nehemia!! You are in my prayers daily. Be blessed!

[@gosialife]

In mine too ❣️

[@S.R.M.]

@@gosialife Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.

[@kliopi1]

The Word Became Flesh;1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

John 1:1 talks about the voice of god making words to create the world going back from genesis 1

[@imallrightwhosleft4832]

Both sides gave their all. With all due respect to Bryan, by my own personal limited sense of judgement, I'll stick with Carlos. Truly engaging discussion. Thanks Nehemia.

[@P.H.888]

I’ll stick with Elohim Yehovah The Eternal Creator! Father Son Holy Spirit Holy Holy Holy is The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

[@pekde]

Jesus is truth. Limited men.

[@danielroman1899]

Its wrong to send people who do not know the Truth to preach to others. Would you think its OK for a tile installer to preach to people how to rebuild an automatic transmission?

[@STROND]

Regarding John 1:1 You have to know that in the original Koine Greek there is NO word that corresponds the the word "A" in the English language. Just looking at the grammar tells you that it is not correct grammar to say that Jesus was WITH God and then in the next breath to say that Jesus is God, that is like saying that Jane was with Sue and Jane WAS Sue, that does not make sense at all..... Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is 'theos', and the definite article is 'ho'. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say 'theos'; it says 'ho theos'. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was 'ho theos'; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was 'theos'- without the definite article- which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same charactor and quality and essence and being as God. When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." (Barclay, W. The Gospel of John, vol.1, The Dailey Study Bible Series, Saint Andrew Press, p. 39) Various translations "the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923). "the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950). "And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961). "the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956). "The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973). "and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968). We have an abundant testimony from leading Trinitarian scholars. Notice how these scholars unanimously agree that John is notindicating who the Word was ("God") but what the Word was (divine). They also insist the definite article is missing for a reason and John necessarily could not have used the definite article because it would thereby have indicated exclusivity. Hence, they all insist that John meant the Word was divine rather than the Word was God by identity. In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY! W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977. Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3. Notice, too, how other translations render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent: 1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: "and the Word was a divine being." La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: "and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1950: "and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. 1958: "and the Word was a God." The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: "and godlike kind was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. The absence of the indefinite article (a) at John 1:1c has been purposely mistranslated in most Trinitarian-produced Bibles to fit THEIR doctrine that Jesus is God.

[@bus2town]

A few years ago I came across a list of over a 100 different translations that say " the word was a god " or divine or god like or something similar. I accidentally lost it on my computer. but maybe i will find it again. There are not that many translations that say " the word was GOD.

[@marcosponce960]

@@bus2town I have a list of about 20 bibles in my bookmarks

[@marcosponce960]

Very good i have that book by Barclay

[@pekde]

I think we make our own story. Why not simply think God was speaking and things happened. He commanded and the light came. Also He planned and commanded the virgin to give birth to Jesus, so now we got word through Jesus.

[@dannyroosenboom3640]

in the beginning... since god has no beginning ; so the word has, also supported by proverbs 8

[@johnsacker1139]

I would love to see you bring on someone who is what is known in this day and time as "oneness". Unitarians are oneness in a sense, but the difference (as I'm sure you know) is that the modern day oneness adherent (probably more commonly known as Oneness Pentecostals) professes the Son to be the one true God, the Father, manifested in flesh. I hope to see that discussion one day. And, Nehemiah, thank you for the information you have provided to me over the years regarding the Name. I have watched many of your videos on that topic and have gleaned very valuable information from them. Thank you!!

[@apokalypse7777]

It’s interesting don’t you think, that in the Messianic prophecies The Messiah is called Wonderful, Councillor, Everlasting Father Mighty God and the Prince of peace?? Makes sense when you read Hebrews😇😇😇 What we can do is look at all the occasions when all 3 persons are present together but separate. Creation, Baptism, etc etc😇😇😇

[@Bear049]

In Matthew there is a misinterpretation by the speaker because what the scripture was saying is that the body the flesh temple which Yeshua inhabited was created in Mary’s womb not the person of Yeshua. Just as he (the speaker) said that those who are saved were saved before they were born into the world. Does the scripture not say in the OT that all the souls are already determined before the creation

[@andrewgraham6496]

The Trinitarian, Southern Baptist Brian Garcia makes some basic and fundamental flaws! He says JWs changed (say) John 1:1 to "a god" in order to fit their theology and that no reputable Greek scholars would agree with that! the Trinitarian is either very naive, ignorant or being deceptive! I know of at least 70 translations that translate similar to the NWT at John 1:1 and of these 70, some 18 translate exactly as does the NWT at John 1:1, either as, "a God" or "a god", were all these translators being deceptive too! And as for the NWT being a corrupt translation, again, I can post what many scholars have said about it in a positive light! Prof. David Jason BeDuHn some years ago brought out a book "Truth in Translation" and compared 9 NT bibles, including the NWT, and although no NT translation is perfect, as we only have imperfect copies, complete NTs going back to the 4th/5th centuries CE, he deemed the NWT as the most accurate of the 9! To preempt the Trinitarian, another text they use against the NWT is John 8:58 "I have been" and again, Trinitarians are either ignorant of deliberate, as may translations translated the same or similar to the NWT at John 8:58; the NASB in its 1970s revisions in its footnote, had "I have been" as a legitimate translations! Another thing hidden from ordinary church going bible readers, is the outright liberties Trinitarian translators take with the English, when translating directly from the original Greek! I was a Trinitarian for over 20 years and I tell you, Brian Garcia is pulling the wool over people's eyes and omits to inform readers of pertinent facts!

[@andrewgraham6496]

Just listening to the Trinitarian in his opening remarks about "Elohim" and Isa 9:6, again, he makes one error after another and he doesn't even (as most Trinitarians do) realise, that he is tripping himself up! "Elohim" is technically plural, as the "im" suffix shows, thus, "Eloh-im" means "gods", yet, Elohim is treated as a singular noun, as it is construed with singular verbs, pronouns and adjectives; also, in Isa 9:6, the Trinitarians omits to mention, that the messiah is called "Mighty God" or in some translations "The Mighty God", which is the Hebrew "el gibbohr", this is not the same as "El Shaddai" (Almighty God) notice the difference! Another thing the Trinitarians omits to mention, is the amount of Greek philosophy that is infused into the Trinity, Platonising church fathers having borrowed from Plato, Aristotle and Plotinus, Proclus and Porphyry, the latter three being Neo_Platonic! What the Trinitarians does, is to totally misrepresent JWs and gives a wholly one sided view, whilst leaving out very important information and as an apologist JW, I have to deal with the like of Brian Garcia on a daily basis, as such Trinitarians spin half truths, whilst holding back information or are ignorant off such! Papers on request.

[@amyleebe11]

I study with JW's a lot, and listening to Brian speak, I kept thinking: either he wasn't a very good JW, or he's playing stupid on purpose.

[@STROND]

Correct, this Trinity person does not know the Koine Greek , if he did he would NOT be so dishonest ! Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is 'theos', and the definite article is 'ho'. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say 'theos'; it says 'ho theos'. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was 'ho theos'; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was 'theos'- without the definite article- which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same charactor and quality and essence and being as God. When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." (Barclay, W. The Gospel of John, vol.1, The Dailey Study Bible Series, Saint Andrew Press, p. 39) Various translations "the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923). "the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950). "And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961). "the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956). "The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973). "and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968). We have an abundant testimony from leading Trinitarian scholars. Notice how these scholars unanimously agree that John is notindicating who the Word was ("God") but what the Word was (divine). They also insist the definite article is missing for a reason and John necessarily could not have used the definite article because it would thereby have indicated exclusivity. Hence, they all insist that John meant the Word was divine rather than the Word was God by identity. In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY! W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977. Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3. Notice, too, how other translations render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent: 1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: "and the Word was a divine being." La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: "and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1950: "and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. 1958: "and the Word was a God." The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: "and godlike kind was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. The absence of the indefinite article (a) at John 1:1c has been purposely mistranslated in most Trinitarian-produced Bibles to fit THEIR doctrine that Jesus is God. Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is 'theos', and the definite article is 'ho'. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say 'theos'; it says 'ho theos'. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was 'ho theos'; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was 'theos'- without the definite article- which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same charactor and quality and essence and being as God. When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." (Barclay, W. The Gospel of John, vol.1, The Dailey Study Bible Series, Saint Andrew Press, p. 39) Various translations "the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923). "the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950). "And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961). "the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956). "The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973). "and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968). We have an abundant testimony from leading Trinitarian scholars. Notice how these scholars unanimously agree that John is notindicating who the Word was ("God") but what the Word was (divine). They also insist the definite article is missing for a reason and John necessarily could not have used the definite article because it would thereby have indicated exclusivity. Hence, they all insist that John meant the Word was divine rather than the Word was God by identity. In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY! W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977. Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary. Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3. Notice, too, how other translations render John 1:1 as "a God" or it's equivalent: 1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text. 1864: "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson. 1928: "and the Word was a divine being." La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: "and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946: "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme. 1950: "and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. 1958: "and the Word was a God." The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek. 1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz. 1978: "and godlike kind was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider. The absence of the indefinite article (a) at John 1:1c has been purposely mistranslated in most Trinitarian-produced Bibles to fit THEIR doctrine that Jesus is God.

[@marcosponce960]

@@amyleebe11 aiming for fame and power, one man governing body

[@aaronmrl]

I appreciate the time and knowledge shared by these three men. Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite Jew, stands out as an intellectual giant, so confident in his faith that he can host two New Testament-believing Christians on his KZbin channel. I approached their discussions with an open mind, listening carefully to both believers. It helped me clarify my own beliefs. Brian Garcia, a Southern Baptist, appears to have a stronger understanding of Scripture and how God manifests in our physical world compared to unitarian Carlos Xavier. Carlos seems more focused on Bible commentaries that challenge Orthodox Christian faith rather than having an equal or better grasp of Scripture like Brian. His views seem closer to those of Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Gnostic, or even secular and covertly Satanic perspectives on Scripture rather than traditional biblical Christian beliefs. The verses Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 1 Corinthians 10:21, 1 Timothy 4:1, and James 2:19 come to mind as I ponder their discussions. They remind us to be cautious of false prophets and deceiving spirits. Carlos Xavier's unitarian beliefs may lead him to entertain ideas and teachings that unknowingly align with "false prophets" and "demons." On the other hand, Brian Garcia, as a Southern Baptist, presented himself well and demonstrated sound understanding. Overall, I am grateful for the valuable insights gained from these discussions.

[@johnhenthorne1588]

I found the explanation of unitarianism, and the delivery by Carlos to be confusing. Although Carlos made reference to scripture, his main support of unitarianism was founded on the work of scholars who were attempting to defend certain positions. On the other hand, Brian's explanation of the trinity was based--I believe--solely on both the Old and New Testaments. I must admit that the concept of Yehovah being Father, Son and Holy Spirit is confusing. Another point that I do not remember being mentioned, or if it was it was not covered to the point of making an impression, is the mention of The Son Of Man appearing in several places in the Old Testament in times where miracles occurred. Who was that entity? An aside: When the issue of the genealogy of Jesus through Mary was mentioned, I was interested that Nehemia did not chime in with the information that he found a piece of Mathew written in Hebrew which gave the complete genealogy of Jesus through Mary. And that Luke had the genealogy of Joseph, the husband of Mary.

[@marcosponce960]

Brian twist the scriptures or says something the verse does not say. Carlos is correct though his defense is weak

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@keithfuson7694]

Why talk about JWs. Unitarians are not associated with WT. The Father is the ONLY true God. Jn17:3 Jesus prayed to his God. Jn17:1 Jesus worshipped his God. Jn4:22 Jesus is a man, a son of mankind, a lamb, flesh and blood, flesh and bone, is seen, visible, a partner, a son, a firstborn, an only begotten, a prophet like Moses, an image, a form, an emblem, a Jew, and all of these terms refer only to a creature and can't be applied to the Deity. God begets Jesus on a day in time. God isn't begotten. God gives the Son his life. God gives the Son all he has: his life, his authority, his glory, his kingdom, his lordship. Therefore Jesus isn't God absolute. The Trinity is an unbiblical falsehood.

[@yishislassieswaiting4748]

This is wonderful. Mutually respectful dialogue!

[@Edupier]

Matthew 28:19 was modified to introduce the triune name. This fact is recognized in one Spanish Catholic Bible.

[@pekde]

Where is that?

[@NORM453]

The creator of all that is, will straighten this mess out.

[@deborahcastelli5903]

Absolutely right Norman! The human mind can never understand our infinite Lord.. Yehovah

[@heathersmith2201]

He did already in Hebrews! There really should be no discussion about it. It's all there in the first 2 chapters. Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@NORM453]

@@heathersmith2201 keep tell this to everyone, Blessings.

[@heathersmith2201]

@@NORM453 May YeHoVah and Yeshua bless you in all you do! Peace, grace, and rest to you and your family!🙏🙏👍

[@jefmersan]

The Bible is not trinitarian, that false doctrine came from the Great Harlot, the catholic church in the 4th century, along with sunday taking the place of the Sabbath, when they Christianized paganism. Paul was extremely clear when he said in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

[@geoffburgess7827]

Thank you. This was a great discussion on a serious subject

[@ServantOfYHWH]

Brian absolutely KILLED IT 🔥

[@jont39]

You're easily impressed by scriptural gymnastics of a plethora of misquoted scriptures

[@quirinorojas3760]

Yes he did! I was raised a JW as well, what a pleasant surprise.

[@tonyhernandez2786]

I was truly blessed by your knowledge of the Word of God. Thanks guys for this great debate. Keep trusting in Jesus! Amen 🙏

[@susancassels5887]

Please study the origin of the word Jesus. Yeshua never would have answered to that name. 💞🙏☝

[@chyrisajade]

Proverbs 30:4 “ Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know”

[@joshuajames972]

I would like Nehemiah to weigh in with his thoughts on this subject, based on his understanding of scriptures; Especially since this Yehovah's 'multiple being' seems to be highly contested amongst Judaism. This was dope! I appreciate all 3 of you. And much like Carlos, I too can find no TEACHINGS of the Trinity. We know with Shem Toavs matthew, there are many discrepancies in the Matthew we currently read in most Bible translations. Most are insignificant to our faith as whole, but a couple are so important it seems to me to read as intentional corruption. We cannot ignore the words we read in the Renewed Covenant have been tainted, to do so is to ignore facts/truth. Gods truth does not have multiple translations, traditions, or differing doctrines... only mans do. Shalom

[@calliegal235]

Search Dr. Michael S. Heiser on this. He did his doctorate on Psalm 82; author and series (youtube) The Supernatural. Best teaching on this that I know about.

[@nickstrickland4751]

Also if you listen to all trinitarians they conjur up some man made authority instituted by Constantine, and how they condemn anyone who disagrees with or has a different opinion then their trinitarians club, just like they just condemned Arian, who was bringining a legitimate view, many a man have been executed by the Catholic religion by just someone with a differen perspective, and many of these issues are plainly perspectives

[@S.R.M.]

Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.

[@S.R.M.]

@@calliegal235 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism.

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

​@@S.R.M.Yah Yehovah said I will be not I am

[@tool1gt]

According to the Trinity doctrine, the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father but they are both called Yehovah God? Why are we not using Yehovah as God's name in our praise and worship, seeing that the name Yehovah encompasses "God" as one, as opposed to Yeshua? "God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘Yehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ *This is my name forever* , and thus I am to be *remembered throughout all generations* " Exodus 3:15 When Satan asked Yeshua to throw himself off a cliff/mountain in order for God to command His angels to save Yeshua, "Jesus said to him, “It is written again, *‘You shall not tempt Yehovah your God'* ." Matthew 4:7 When Satan asked Yeshua to do an act of worship to him, he responded "...Away with you, Satan! For it is written, *‘You shall worship Yehovah your God, and Him only you shall serve'* " Matthew 4:10 “Father, " *glorify your name* .” And a voice was heard from Heaven: “ I have both glorified and I am glorifying it again .” John 12:28. "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, *Hallowed be Your name* . Matthew 6:9 (God's name to be kept holy) "Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. *I will write on him the name of My God* and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And *I will write on him My new name* " Revelation 3:11,12 So Yeshua explicitly implores us to worship Yehovah by His name. Interestingly, Yehovah's name does not change (Yeshua calls him "My God") but Yeshua inherits a new name based on this Revelation? So again I pose this question based on the above, why are we not using Yehovah as God's name in our praise and worship?

[@Johnnywalkerbravo]

We should use the name Yehovah the reason why people don't use it is because the name was taken out of many bible's by false Christians amd many don't know the name and use Jesus because they believe he is God but the bible says the name of Jehovah is a strong tower and says that all those that call on his name will be saved amd that Jehovah takes notice of thise thinking in his name so you should pray to Jehovah God in the ne of his son Jesus the trinity was invented ny pagans and was introduced into christianity by people who didn't understand the scriptures and used it to their own advantage but the bible never indicates Jesus is God that idea came way after the bible was written and the true 1st century Christians died

[@mishkaned7777]

The word of God is supreme.

[@mishkaned7777]

Carlos.... Exodus 23:20-22 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of Him, and obey His voice, provoke Him NOT; for He will NOT PARDON your transgressions: for MY NAME IS IN HIM But if thou shalt indeed obey His voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

[@STROND]

I do NOT think Brian is being honest at marker 1:18 where he says that in the Bible it says that "Jesus is the creator" the Bible does not say that. The Bible clearly tells us at Colossians that all things were created through him and for him, yes Jesus joined his father in creating but is NOT the creator......The Trinity teaching has it only partly correct, yes, God Yehovah & Jesus are separate entities , that is correct. However, the cornerstone of the trinity teaching of all three being 1) Co-equal 2) Co-eternal 3) Co-omniscient is NOT supported by the Bible. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is NOT equal to the father, the bible clearly teaches that Jesus is NOT eternal like Yehovah, and that Jesus had a beginning, that he was the FIRST of Gods creation ! And we have not even mentioned the holy spirit because nowhere in the Bible will you read that the holy spirit is equal to God, or is God !

[@cpani8780]

To eat the APPLE you cannot go to MANGO tree and ask the fruit. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is GOD breathed (RUACH ELOHIM).... It says GOD Breathed.... Similarly, to understand Father, Jesus Christ, HolySpirit (Triniy) you cannot ask people or even your heart. But to seek the actual owners of those WORDS... The owner of those WORDS is GOD. So I ask you to first repent from your Sins, pray to Jesus Christ for guiding you to know and understand more about HIM. So that FATHER sends HIS HOLYSPIRIT (RUACH ELOHIM) upon you in the name of JESUS CHRIST. Only then you will understand the WORD of GOD and the TRINITY.

[@STROND]

@@cpani8780 2 Tim 3:16......Yes all scripture is God breathed , that means ALL . The main way that God shows you the truth is from HIS WORD, there is no other way, unless of course God speaks to YOU direct which I seriously doubt ! And it is his word which tells you the relationship that Jesus has with HIS FATHER, verses which I included in my answer. You see my friend, the trinity is NOT something you would come to the conclusion of by setting down and reading Gods word WITHOUT biased intent. The Trinity doctrine is something which is taught to people by other biased teachers..............I would say that if you were not influenced by other religious teachers one way or another, and just read Gods word for yourself, you would NOT have come to the conclusion of the Trinity ! By the way 2 Tim 3:16 is not "Ruach Elohim" as the word "Elohim" is a Hebrew and Paul wrote 2 Tim in Greek, so the word used here for "god breathed" is "theopneustos" and so ALL scripture is inspired by God and good for teaching , yes good for TEACHING, so it is the Bible which teaching Jesus relationship with God, and it is Gods word which does NOT teach the Trinity dogma of all 3 being 1) co-eqaul 2) Co-eternal and 3) Co-omniscient .

[@cpani8780]

@@STROND I would like you to highlight the below verse as reference let me know what does the Bible teach us. John 3:5-8 says Jesus answered "Most ASSUREDLY unless one is born of water and the SPIRIT, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the SPIRIT is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the SPIRIT.” 1Corinthians 2:10:16 says 10. But GOD(Father) has revealed them to us through HIS SPIRIT (HolySpirit). For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so NO ONE KNOWS THE THINGS OF GOD except the SPIRIT OF GOD (3 person in God Head). 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the SPIRIT WHO IS FROM GOD, that WE MIGHT KNOW THE THINGS that have been FREELY GIVEN TO US BY GOD. 13. These things we also speak, NOT IN WORDS WHICH MAN’S WISDOM teaches BUT WHICH THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man does not receive the things of the SPIRIT of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 16. For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

[@STROND]

@@cpani8780 Yes clearly the spirit which is GODS holy spirit can teach us , the holy spirit can inspire us. Did you notice that it is called "Gods holy spirit" it is not a separate being, it is Gods own spirit which he uses to , create, to teach, to inspire, to tear down, to build up......it is Gods own spirit NOT a person ! Interesting that you do not answer my question but as usual with Trinity believers you don't answer the question I left but come back with a whole new load of new questions........So let me ask you again, "if the holy spirit is a person and is a separate entity from God, then PLEASE show us form Gods word where it says that the holy spirit is God , or that the holy spirit is equal to God......I will await your scriptual proof !

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

​@@cpani8780John 17:3 says that only the father is God. Look up in a dictionary what only means, it means single and alone, so there is no trinity. Did you inherit your pagan India religion Hinduism trinity and repackaged it to include Jehovah, Jesus and holy spirit?

[@andrewgraham6496]

Bryan Garcia on John 1:18? Garcia states that “Jesus is the only begotten God” First, Garcia fails to mention something important and that is, not all Trinitarian translations read the way he does and in fact, not all extant Greek NT manuscripts do too, as there are those that have “Son” instead of “theos” Original Greek John 1:18 “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.” “θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός, ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο” Second, several Trinitarian translations are outright theological translations at John 1:18 and take outright liberties when translating from the original Greek, when translation from greek into English, something that the text does not even imply or hint at, these Trinitarians reflect the theological bias of the translators! Examples of such theologically biased Trinitarian translations: New International Version No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. New Living Translation No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us. English Standard Version No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. Good News Translation No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known. NET Bible No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known. There are many more, but, the above should suffice to show how these translators are taking outright liberties and the ordinary bible reader, who is not acquainted with the complexities of Greek have no choice, but to swallow such and trust that the translation they are using is unbiased and trustworthy Third, those manuscripts that have “theos” with reference to then son, such “theos” is indefinite, as there are no definitizing elements associated with theos, that would make it definite, such as a vocative, the numeral one, a possessive pronoun, a dative or genitive (the same with John 1:1), thus, “theos” belongs to class/category “theos”, which is indefinite/qualitative (as the predicate theos is in John 1:1c). I could explain why “theos” does not carry the article, which would make it definite, but, the fact is the nominative “theos” is anarthrous, and is indefinite and thus, John 1:18 should be properly translated “the only begotten god”, as the one called “theos”, because “theos” is indefinite will exhibit or display the nature, character or quality that belongs to class/category “theos”, we see the same basic thing seen in the examples of, Mark 11:32; John 4:9; 8:44; 12:6. The next error Garcia makes, is in when he starts to try it on with Heb 1:8 and Heb 1:10 (Next)!

[@kalabalakrishnan1484]

Shalom. My humble opinion n testimony. Trinity is men's doctrine. Men trying to put God, Yeshua n Spirit in a box. YHVH is the One n Only True Living GOD, there is none like HIM. Yeshua who was sent, who came in HIS FATHER'S NAME is The Word, Son, Lamb, The Messiah. Rev.3:1.....the seven Spirits of GOD....(plural Spirits). It is written, Yeshua said, I n my Father are one John 10:30 but it is also written when Yeshua was praying, he said, John17:21.....one in us: John17:23.....they may be made perfect in one;..... I think Yeshua's meaning of 'one' n human's meaning of 'one' is different. I think until we become 'one' with GOD we will never understand. Please keep the Torah.

[@marvinberry295]

You don't have to wait to get to Heaven to know what he means, when he said, make them one with us. What he is saying is, Father you and I are on the same page, on one accord, in agreement with each other, and it is my prayer that they be on the same page as we are, and on one accord as we are, and not in disagreement with us, but in agreement with us.

[@davidbrogan606]

Jesus is not the Father, However, he is the exact representation of the Father. He is equal in every respect. Yet, he honors and esteems the Father as his God since that is the honor due to fathers.

[@RedDwarfism]

You are right about that but I call attention that the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new Covenant this is what was founded in the upper room during Passover.

[@niltonsilva3027]

How about Hebrew 1?

[@RedDwarfism]

@@davidbrogan606 Thankyou you said it right.

[@oneseekinglight9491]

1Co 8:6 NKJV - yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

[@FeWolf]

I grew up in a culture that the Father and Son are one when in business dealings, if the Son enters into a contract, the Father has to honor it, if the Father enters into a contract that Son has to Honor it, this is where 2 become one, also in ancient times, a term" , and still in practice to this day,( as in the Bible we have a western mindset in a Eastern World,) they are separate but One, Word of Mouth" this was that a person represented the the person he was working for, called " Word of Mouth", if the Word of Mouth entered or said anything it was the same as that , that sent him, this is common in many cultures thru history, as far as the Holy Spirit, there are several instance where we do not know the person, but they represented God. Jesus prayed to God and said many times my Father, pretty clear, and he started another another will come after me, there is nothing mentioning that it has to be in human or physical form.

[@apokalypse7777]

Interesting points. Jesus as a man, is the physical package that the Word of God came into. That's the incarnation. But Jesus / Yeshua had two natures in one body. His human side the second Adam. And his divinity. His I AM nature. Like when he said, I have power to lay down my life ( human body) and power to take it up again by his divinity. Remember when he said to the Pharisees " Destroy this temple, and I will rebuild it in 3 days" He spoke to them of his body. So you have a Divine spirit God. In a Human body, Jesus / Yeshua. In his divine nature he is One with the Father and spirit. But as a Human being, he is subordinate to God the Father. He came to multi task. His mission had many purposes not just Calvary. He cancelled out Adams sin, took the curse from the earth. Paid the ransom for the souls that were in prison and bought us back from Satan's kingdom. He destroyed Satan's power. Only God could achieve all these things. The Truths are there to see, if you Allow the Holy Spirit to be your guide. Jesus / Yeshua as one human being, couldn't reach everyone on earth. That is why he made disciples, and said unless I go away ( back to heaven ) the comforter cannot come, but if I go I will send him to you. This is the work of the Holy Spirit, to empower believers and point souls to the saving Grace of Yeshua / Jesus. Remember in Acts. Peter said to Ananias and Saphira his wife that they had lied to the Holy Spirit, then he says you have not lied to men, but to GOD. So the Holy Spirit is God. And because he is omnipresent. He can bring the nature of Christ, to Every born again believer.😇😇😇

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@FeWolf]

@@heathersmith2201 like I said they are independent .

[@heathersmith2201]

@@FeWolf Yep!👍

[@YisraeliTiger-ez7dy]

​@@apokalypse7777I am was not said by god in Hebrew, god said I will be and then he said I will be what I will be

[@davomato]

English Revised Version He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

[@AduP5731]

sad how they don't call him by His real name, Yeshua.....& so robbed of His true Jewish Identity....a rabbi that taught Torah!

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@haroldhart2688]

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Joh 13:32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

[@nickstrickland4751]

Notice how Bryan holds to the high position of the authority of Greek language, big mistake Bryan. I think that Bryan thought that the listeners would agree with Trinitarians doctrine, but any true Torah believer who have a smiget of understanding of the Hebrew thought that there is only one Yehovah,only One who always existed does exist, and will always continue to exist, Yeshuah’s and our existence is plainly a loving gift from Yehovah, praise be his Holy Name

[@marcosponce960]

Scripture twister

[@marcosponce960]

@One God One Christ yes to get a trinity trinket out of the bible, they have to bend and stretch and twist the Bible, they end up in a ball of confusion

[@bettyweir3075]

So we were at least a twinkle in our Father's eye long before we existed here! Wow! I enjoyed this meeting. (Come now and let us reason together saith The Lord!)

[@joefulmer]

Brian is misquoting about every other verse or taking it out of context. My Father is greater than I. Jesus never referred to himself as God. He prayed to the Father. He is also not truly reflecting or stating what the Trinity Doctrine states... specifically Jesus is a God/man.

[@marcosponce960]

Brian appears to be more catholic than the pope, well the verse says this but means this, thats alot of blind

[@heathersmith2201]

True! Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. God did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@torahgirl3241]

Nehemia why did you not mention the text error addition when Brian quoted “baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” just like the text error addition in the Avinu prayer “for thine is the power and the glory forever and ever “

[@pekde]

Do you mean that is not in the Hebrew Matthew?

[@justsomeguy7768]

Am I my conscience thought, my voice that speaks my thoughts or my body that generates the voice of my thought? Which is the true me when you speak face to face, over the phone or in a letter I right to you or when I watch a video of myself?

[@P.H.888]

We are created & in the physical world, The Lord God Almighty is Eternal.

[@ennisel]

I'd say no... How many times have our consciences, thoughts & speech betrayed us? Uninvited said in error (hence we're told be careful of what we say, cause the angels take our words back to the Father who'll judge). However because Father is perfect, only his word (even placed in man Yehoshua) & his spirit, primary essences, are able to go forth and accomplish that which it has to fulfill.

[@apokalypse7777]

Your body is a biological Suit for your Spirit to live in. Because your spirit cannot interact with a physical world, you have all the senses in your body that your spirit has. But your body being physical. Allows you to interact with a physical dimension. Once your body is worn out or cannot survive anymore in this visible realm. You die, and your spirit leaves your body. Paul said it lied this. Whilst we are in the body, we groan desiring to be clothed with our heavenly body. He said he would rather be absent from his body and present with the Lord. So The real eternal undying part of you. Is the Real you. This body is just a transportation device for your spirit.😇😇😇 I hope this helps.

[@apokalypse7777]

One more thing. Because we are Fallen, we have to struggle with our body not always doing the right things. We know what is right and wrong, but sometimes the mind and thoughts can lead us into trouble, It is only by Having Gods Spirit in us, that we can overcome the selfish nature.

[@veronicacuello9890]

I'm stuying hebrew roots since September 2020, and after YHVH Returning me my true identity of Israelite, He Return to me His Unity. But the thing is that churches, denominations, organizations, titles ect. Have the horrible habit to contradict Elohim Words. If He Said He Is One, He Is One. I understood the word echad. I hope that I understood well. Echad is a unity that divides. Like the day and night makes one day, like husband and wife are two but are one flesh. When We saw Yeshúa Talking like God then We Say He Is God too. The Ruac Ha Kodesh. Is His Spirit. So I think we all need to go and learn some hebrew. Talking as an ex pentecostal and now return to my true identity Israelite. And I don't even touch Paul cause churches have made a mess of Paul's teachings. I mean, the church say Paul never obey the Torah and that Yeshua never obey the Torah. When Yeshúa Is The Torah. He Is The Word. Nehemia excuse me if I'm saying wrong but in these days I'm devouring Michael Rood's teachings, hoping he gets well soon. Please say hello to him if you talk to him. Hello and blessings from a colombo-italian sister.

[@heathersmith2201]

I agree! Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@barrynovinger2035]

Nehemia, This could easily be considered a part 1 as it seemed to focus heavily on debating/conversing the person of Yeshua as a person of a trinity. My belief is that it is very difficult to prove based on the texts that we have that Yeshua did not exist before the creation of the world and is not a person of the same substance as, yet son and subordinate to, Yehovah. However, I believe it is more difficult to prove that the ruach hakodesh is a separate person. Thoughts for part 2 ...

[@nb3500]

@Barry Novinger In 1 Peter 1:20 we read that Jesus was foreknown before the foundation of the world and if he was foreknown by God at that time then he by definition didn't exist then. And often times we read that God/Yehovah is Jesus' God (Mic 5:4, Jn 20:17, Eph 1:17, Rev 3:12) which shows a distinction. And Jesus' God is evidently not a multi-personal god. Hoped this helped.

[@heathersmith2201]

It is difficult because the Spirit is not separate from God himself. Multiple times it says it is God's Spirit. Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@cristohijodeDios]

@@heathersmith2201 I keep asking myself the same question!! Why the confusion. John 17.3 says how to have eternal life. That’s it to k ow the True God YHWH and His Son Yah’shua. The Spirit of the Father which is also in his Son makes us begged Abba Father.

[@cristohijodeDios]

@@heathersmith2201 are you awarded also that many of us are from the tribe of Ephraim? That is the we are Israelites and lost tribes that were scattered in the 4 corners of the earth. And in order for Yah’shua (husband) to be able to married them again He had to die in order to fulfill the Law. He is waking up Ephraim and that’s why many of are accepting YHWH and understanding that we must follow ALL his commandments 🙏🏼🕎🙏🏼

[@heathersmith2201]

@@cristohijodeDios Totally agree!🙏🙏 Shabbat Shalom; Have a peaceful Sabbath!

[@lasmith7429]

So can I ask in Judaism is Messiah the YHVH?

[@mishkaned7777]

Very true Carlos....Yeshua did say your Father and My Father...but also in Rev 3: 12 FOUR TIMES Yeshua says MY GOD!

[@davomato]

English Standard Version But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

[@heathersmith2201]

Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@j.torresoquendo3896]

We need Spanish subtitles !

[@ramos3x]

Thank you Nehemia , I´m a christian from Brazil and I love your content . I think you and Ben Shapiro are most christian than lot of so called christhians out there .

[@romanb1853]

I have a theory. I might be wrong, but hear it out: I see God's relationship to the Universe as man's relationship to a computer system. God created the Universe. Therefore God is outside the universe. Like man cannot physically enter a computer, man has to create a medium using which he can interact with entities within computers. Likewise God have created a medium Yeshua, through which he interacts with his universe. That explains why Yeshua calls God his father. But when Philip asked Yeshua to show God, Yeshua said if you have seen me, you have seen God. Also it makes sense when Yeshua says, he and God is one. Probably that explains why in every heaven scene in the bible, God's throne is empty, but Yeshua's one is filled by him. That would mean Yeshua was the one through whom God interacted with Adam and Evee, also Abraham, hence Yeshua said: before Abraham, I am. Finally holy spirit is probably the power of God. Maybe like the electricity which is required for a computer to function at the first place. Well that is my theory.🤷‍♂️

[@anitalmid]

Roman B Brilliant...! The question which they are then debating is this, Is it blasphemous to give the interface/Yeshua equal status with the יהוה who made him? Do you give the express image the same glory, worship and praise as the actual source generating the image, which is GOD/יהוה In similar comparison, the image in a mirror or when we video chat. If I say, I love you to a mirror reflecting the face of my wife or to a phone when I'm seeing my wife, is it the same? Those are reflections of her but not actually her. I would suppose that if we keep the right acknowledgment we shall be fine. The bigger question is if the flesh of Jesus/ישוע can be referred to as GOD, it is easy to say that his spirit was "Divine", continually GOD יהוה driven. People have a hard time with the physical aspect, is it a sin to say that a tangible object, person or thing is יהוה The Almighty GOD..!

[@P.H.888]

anitalmid Jesus was worshipped & He accepted it as so! He forgave Sin.

[@anitalmid]

P Harrison - Keep this in mind... DAVID RECEIVED WORSHIP 1 Chronicles 29:20 (KJV) And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king. If one is given this authority by GOD then so it is. JESUS TAUGHT TO FORGIVE SINS AND THAT WE SHOULD DO IT. Matthew 6:14 (KJV) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Marvel not that GOD has given the authority to Jesus, who is a Priest in the order of MelchiTzedech to forgive SINS. Don't confuse the conduit with the source. John 20:17 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God. Blessings in the name of our Saviour

[@heathersmith2201]

Cute! Hi sweetie! It is not meant to be confusing, but people make it so when they don't have too. Gid did not do this, so don't blame him for what man doesn't understand. This is what the Bible actually says below. I don't know why they feel the need to go off of pagan ideas picked up from Mythraism brought to you by Constantine: Greek and Roman paganism. Who can't read the book of Hebrews, which stated everything about YeHoVah and Yeshua, and where we all fit together. It is not God or the Bible that is confused, it's the humans that try to fit there own interpretations into what God has stated plainly! One YeHoVah who is Spirit, and One Son Yeshua our HaMachiac. One Holy Family of YeHoVah (Hebrews 2). YeHoVah is not a God of confusion, the trinity is nothing but confusion and a pagan concept. If you look at all the letters of Paul, and some other texts in the 2nd part of the Bible; there is only stated two beings YeHoVah and Yeshua. Matthew states the titles of who you should baptize in, Acts tells you who represents those titles: Yeshua is who you should baptize in. He represents YeHoVah, Yehovah's Son, and Yehovah's Spirit in which one needs to be given the Spirit of YeHoVah in baptism. But there is only two beings: YeHoVah and Yeshua. Of course he comes in his father's name and follows in the father's footsteps, because that is what good sons do! (At least back then.) There should be no confusion. Even Yeshua had to be given his Father's spirit to do the work he did at his baptism. That is how we need to carry out Yehovah's work too. We are given YeHoVah's Spirit to do his work in wisdom and understanding. Roman's 8 even says at this point, we need both YeHoVah's and Yeshua's spirit to be with them. I don't understand why there is such a great confusion. One God (YeHoVah) and One Savior (Yeshua) champion if the people who comes in the name of YeHoVah! Yeshua embodies all that is YeHoVah! He is the son who obeyed, he is the firstfruits to do YeHoVah's full will, he is the one we should follow in his footsteps. Because he was the one who reversed the curse of all who come to him and his Father. Peace and grace to you from the Father and the Son Yeshua HaMachiac. 🙏🙏

[@thegodiknowministries]

If you decide to do anything like this again, please make it a live stream! I have sooo many things to point out!

[@glennledbetter6685]

YeHoVaH said to my LORD sit on the throne until I make your enemies a footstool