Triple-Base ISO debunked! Canon R5 Mark II Noise & Overheating Test vs. R5C

[@eccproductions]

FINALLY A GOOD FRICKEN VIDEO ABOUT THIS CAMERA. So many garbage ones of people saying the same thing over and over again. Subscribed for sure. Thanks bro. Video people like us care about noise and dynamic range and that’s what you answered straight to the point.

[@hughhou]

I am so glad you like it and thanks for the subs. We are lucky to have the camera so we can run real test for the past 2 weeks. More to come. Very powerful camera, since I have C400 and R5C - this R5 II is crazy underrated and there will be new firmware coming update some even more impressive hardware feature just like the R5 when it first came out. Exciting time for Canon!

[@eccproductions]

@@hughhou do you think it’s as good as Sony in low light situations?

[@eccproductions]

Noise wise.

[@hughhou]

@@eccproductions I personally think it is better than SONY - but I only have SONY A1 8K for comparison.

[@DavidGoncha]

Congratulations. Great comparison between the two cameras. Specifically speaking only of the 180VR recording in 8k 60fps, I love the Clog 2 of the R5 II and full HDMI. But time is money and I still think that the overheating of the camera is a big handicap. I prefer to carry an external battery with no time limit on the R5C than having to wait (1 hour?) for it to cool down to be able to record 18 minutes more.

[@hughhou]

Thank you! Yes it is really true on that point as well.

[@kylekaiser9525]

Finally a real review on the R5ii, thanks so much!

[@hughhou]

Our pleasure! Glad you like it!

[@rameesaliyousuf6219]

Amazing PRESENTATION AND THE REVIEW DATAS AND STYLE IS TOP NOTCH AND VERY VERY INFORMATIVE..u talk and SHOWS REAL LIFE EXAMPLE..u are amazing my dude...U DESERVE MORE SUBSCRIBERS

[@leventebaumann6001]

You have same expo for c-log2 and c-log3, so overexposed c-log3. This is incorrect. Pro shooter does not do this in real use. The result is misleading. I do not say c-log2 is not better. I say this test is misleading.

[@hughhou]

Sorry, is there a different strategy to expose C-log 2 and C-log 3? Can you give us more details or the correct way you think we should run the test so we can re-do the test? Thank you so much!

[@mvp_kryptonite]

Fantastic video! That’s for that. That 4000 ISO looks interesting! I bet the cooking grip will be a useful tool! Canon, please, the R7 ii just a mini R5ii with BSI stacked sensor, eye control v1 (v2 would be ideal but hey) & battery grip support. Fast zoom to match.

[@hughhou]

Cooking grip will def be useful lol. R7 II with 8K and finally my new dual fisheye can match the pro level guys that will be dream come true. I am not asking for more, just 8K is enough lol

[@justinburley8659]

Not sure we need a stacked sensor in an R7ii, but just a really fast non-stacked one. Maybe partially stacked like the Z6III, if Canon can figure that out.

[@TheHorologyOnTap]

Thank You for dong this review! I love this timepiece. With all the band options, this could be a GADA watch

[@hughhou]

Glad you like it!

[@iliaskapatos]

Thank you for the great video. One question: Does the R5C work in 8K-RAW-LT 60fps with the new battery from the R5MKII without a power bank? It has more power so in theory it could work.

[@hughhou]

oh shoot I suppose to mention that in this video and I forgot!!!!!!! Now your question make me hate myself when I make video under painkiller...ADD. Anyway, the answer is NO. R5C does not work on the new battery for 8K 60fps. I think there is some magic also in the operation to make R5 II do that - in camera body or codec optimization

[@robertazov1420]

@@hughhou Great video. Is image stabilization available when shooting 8k or 4k raw? (r5ii) Cant find answer anywhere. Thanx

[@ScreenFiends]

Great tests! If the cam over heats, it's a pass from me. I'd rather shoot 6K or have passive cooling. But I doubt people buying this will be so video-centric. It's about having the right tool for the job.

[@hughhou]

Yes! 4K prob do the job 90% of the time if you are not shooting VR180 video. The immersive photo feature is crazy on this camera and it is the only one can do that with VR preview.

[@ZToT]

Finally! Thanks! Can we ask a 4k 60 comparison between them. Sharpness and DR. I think many of us interested in that how ‘bad’ is the lineskipped 4k 60 in the r5ii

[@hughhou]

Great suggestion. That is my next test then! Lots of request on this :)

[@LukeSchaeferFilms]

@@hughhouyes please test that. No overdampled 4k60 on the r5 2 is the reason I may get the c400 or r5c instead

[@ZToT]

@@LukeSchaeferFilms hopefully we‘ll get a software update for that!

[@mxtreme87]

Thanks! This helped me make my decision to stick to my r5. Not much of an upgrade. Would have if 4k60HQ was not line skipped. If it could have done all these in 60mp with manageable overheating , i would hv jumped on it. Chip and sensor technology is not there yet for 60mp. Looking at perhaps leica SL3.

[@hughhou]

Glad it help you to decide :)

[@simonbonny6800]

What is the record limit for both r5c and r5 mark 2 for 4k Raw 60p? Is r5c more advantage?

[@espaz4149]

I want to upgrade my setup to focus mainly on real estate photography/videography, after seeing this vid and a couple others, I'm leaning more towards the R5C. Also, after a couple days of researching, I feel the R5C would be the better choice Would you think so as well? I'm coming from the 5D Mk IV so want to get a camera that does the job for a couple years without having to upgrade and deliver great results without no hiccups like overheating. Thank you and great review!

[@ever_filmed]

Hello! Same question here - did you already make a choice?

[@marioskleanthous8844]

Nice informative video. Can I ask. Do you know if the camera in sraw 4k 60fps overheat?

[@hughhou]

Yes but it last a lot longer tho

[@chantus1]

Hugh, thanks for your great videos. Is there any possibility that you can share some raw footage to test in our own googles? KZbin is very limited to judge quality

[@hughhou]

Yes I did. But I have a VR180 film shot on the camera is coming!!

[@matthewcelia5057]

Thanks for the info Hugh! The new canon fan accessory should help with the overheating :)

[@hughhou]

Thank you Matt! Oh yes if I can get my hand on it via pre-order. It is harder to get than the camera itself lol.

[@alfredknodler540]

Hi Hugh - I have kind of niche -question. I own the C70 and the R6ii and do TV run and gun work. The R6ii has great downsampled lowlight and a great looking but only 8bit 4k 50p. I got the R5ii now for the 4k 100p and better codecs but I shocked about the lowlight capabilities. If you had the C70 and R6ii and the chance to replace one of them - would you get the C400 for the C70 or the R5ii for the R6ii?

[@hughhou]

I would get C400 as sound like you are professional. C400 is a great camera - more pro but you will love it. Especially low light you are talking about as triple base ISO

[@b2unoo7]

I agree, photos, af and daily videos look awesome, but dark and night scenes shooting video is criminal, I have so much noise that its not usable. Im not sure is that some faulty cameras on market since everyone is ssying its fantastic in low light, my last wedding is disaster with clog2 and iso from 2500-8000. Too much noise, it looks like a toy camera.

[@edualapont]

Thank you for the test. In the comparison clog2 VS clog3 it seems to me that the image with clog3 is brighter. Do they have the same exposure?

[@peterra2532]

It looks like brighter because clog3 is more contrasted, less « flat »

[@hughhou]

Exact as Peter mentioned above. They are in the exact same exposure but the idea of Clog 2 is flatter than Clog 3 - so you can pull more in post. But that is why Clog 3 look brighter (and better without lut). Clog 2 is really for colorist know what they are doing. It is not easy to handle. We use Clog 2 as we know how to color grade. But in practice Clog 3 is a lot more easy to shoot and post. Yes highlight will suffer that is the trade off.

[@TJIzzy]

@@hughhou Clog2 has more range in the shadows, it is supposed to have the same range in the highlights. Did you expose both cameras with false color?

[@bladerealm124]

@@hughhouhow does clog2 affect autofocus tracking performance? Does the lower contrast cause the camera to struggle with AF? I found this to be an issue with the original R5 in CLOG3 but I don't know if it was just the video AF being worse than photo AF or if the log profile made it even worse. Is video AF tracking significantly improved vs the original R5? Especially for wildlife with animal eye AF?

[@MikeVR180]

Ooooo looking forward to seeing this one!

[@osmanlatif9369]

İ think i will buy it, lets wait it fot videography ❤

[@ghalibsworld]

Very detailed review. Wow.

[@hughhou]

Glad you liked it!

[@redred9993]

Only using normal profile except from c-log 2 / 3, Dual base ISO also 800 & 4000 ?

[@ChrisOno-NL]

I rarely shoot ik 8k but it's interesting to see the overheating test. I do wonder how long it takes to overheat when being shot in 4k 25fps or 50fps. Shooting in 4k is done more frequently than 8k.

[@hughhou]

We will test that and report back. In 4K it is a lot longer. 8K it is just necessary for our industry here which is VR filmmaking. I think 8K is where this camera shine as not many other can shoot 8k at this price range that really look like 8K instead of 4K upscale.

[@RockyColaFizz]

I have heard the 4k60, although not oversampled, looks better than it did in the R5. Is this true?

[@hughhou]

Mmmmm... I can't really say that. 4K60 is a weak point on this camera right now. I do think it is a firmware oversight as it should has oversample - and pretty sure Canon is fixing it in the next firmware as it is just pixel processing and their chip is powerful enough to do that...

[@IAwarenessI]

Hugh what's your thoughts on comparing ISO-3200 in the R5-C (it's best low-light setting) vs IS0-4000 Mark II? - Since you compared both IS0-4000 @ 3:19...I see the huge difference. But the R5-C sucks at ISO-4000. Thanks man! This is a $2,000 decision I'm trying to justify.(selling the R5-C for the Mark II or not)

[@hughhou]

I think ISO 4000 is still better than ISO 3200 R5C - but I will need to do more testing, Hold tight.

[@IAwarenessI]

@@hughhou Awesome thank you. I know it will help a lot of other people out too :)

[@anthonykent8561]

Why is the Intra-frame Compression Method limited to XF-AVC S YCC422 10bit recording format? Otherwise one is forced to Long GOP, or RAW. This is not a setting / feature / card limitation.

[@hughhou]

Good questions - let me ask Canon official and get back to you here.

[@gongfan5181]

I think the over heating issue is still the firmware problem like the first generation. But Canon wants you to buy their new expensive cooling grip so they just put this limitation in R5ii current firmware on purpose. The problem can definitely be resolved in future firmware upgrade like R5i but just depends on when and if Canon will do it.

[@hughhou]

Wow good to know. That grip is harder to get than the camera itself!!

[@markmorreau1997]

@@hughhou Cooling grip in stock in some retailers in the UK right now. Seems to me that you need to test the overheating with that, otherwise it's a pointless comparision: the R5C doesn't overheat 'cause it has a fan. Add the cooling grip with the fan to your test and then you get a proper comparison.

[@zechenwei1139]

Was the iso performance tested in raw recording mode?

[@hughhou]

Yes.

[@dominiqueschenck430]

Excellent video on these topics. The R5m2 seems to be an excellent compromise by Canon.

[@hughhou]

It is! Born from all the learning on R5. It is finally a true camera for VR immersive filmmaking as well. And it is just getting started. New firmware promise to make even more improvement in the coming month!

[@ramiefathy]

How does one decide between the R5C and R5ii? What are the uses cases in which one would be better than the other? If it’s relevant: I’m looking to capture content to be viewed on the Vision Pro specifically. Thanks!

[@hughhou]

R5C more for professional that need long hours capture but not too much travel, run and gun it. For R5 II is more for hybrid creators that need photo and video capture, gimbal or run and gun a lot. There is still a pretty price difference as R5 II is more expensive and R5 C is on sale with great deal. They are BOTH great for Vision Pro and has the exact same resolution - 8192 x 4096 in 60fps. Currently is the highest until Blackmagic launch their 16K camera (which also wont be cheap and for very very high end professional). So buy the one you can afford. Also, R5C has a lot bigger ecosystem for support and ton of tutorial on my channel. R5 II will get there but it is so new it will take us a bit to catch up on tutorials and build guide.

[@ramiefathy]

Oh man, thank you so much for the response! My first KZbin comment and I got such a great and helpful answer. Been watching your stuff for a while now and seriously appreciate all of the time and effort you put in, as well as the detailed response to this question. Am looking to take short 3D videos with high resolution (and likely with a gimbal) for a dermatology study I am conducting, so it sounds like the R5ii is the better fit, especially if I may also want to use it for photography down the line. Thank you again!

[@ViciousXUSMC]

Good to finally see some news I can trust since your very technical like me. Been seeing so many rumors that the dynamic range and low light performance is worse on this than the R5. They are talking about photos, but I'd have to assume that if it can be better in video it can also be better in photo. As far as overheating. Gotta do that one one more time with the fan grip. Since the R5C has a fan that's the only way to compare them head to head IMO.

[@hughhou]

Yes I don't have the fan grip so I will when I get all my toys in check. Personally I won't use it as it mess up my gimbal setup. If I need long hours - I just use my R5C. R5 II is for run and gun and gimbal it. For photo, I do not do photography so I don't know. But R5 II is really a video breast. For photo, any potato camera do a great job these days. Dropping 5K for photo does not really make sense lol.

[@brynforbes7119]

How about a 5 and 10 minute cool down video test? Thanks for the helpful info!

[@hughhou]

I tested, it get 4 min for 5 in my case. BTW, swapping battery and card will give you a full reset - as those are the hot items.

[@brynforbes7119]

@@hughhou thank you so much! Any expected timeline for that lower heat cfexpress card you hinted at previously?

[@stillsandvideo]

Thanks for another wonderfully helpful video. Your site has become my goto KZbin channel for all things 180 and 360. I was wondering if focussing with the manual Canon 3D Virtual lens is any easier on the mkII? I wish the lens had autofocus like the APC version. Do you think they'll release a full frame version that is autofocus? Thanks again for all of your efforts and sharing.

[@hughhou]

Not likely. Usually we will know 1 year ahead of time in patent releasing docs but Canon did not apply any dual fisheye IP - meaning there is no new dual fisheye lens beside the APS-C one (which patent fired 2 years ago and we know it is coming)

[@stillsandvideo]

@@hughhou Makes sense - didn't think of reviewing the patents. Do you think the auto focus on the APC version outweighs the better quality of the full frame version? I know you've used both. I'm torn with which one to purchase between them. I have a r5 mkii on order and I also have a r7 so I could either way.

[@woochovibes]

Am i have to sell my R5C and buying R5m2?

[@hughhou]

Oh no. Different camera for different purposes!

[@woochovibes]

Thank you!

[@adamfalgout6601]

Great video!!

[@hughhou]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@aaronjonellhall1937]

Please test the dynamic range of Sraw vs Raw recording ❤

[@hughhou]

Okay will do!

[@jianda87]

Does this test hold true in stills as well?

[@hughhou]

We need to test more in Stills. This is focus only on video for now :)

[@ryevisuals]

3:19 is this in raw, or one of the 10 bit codecs?

[@hughhou]

We tested in both RAW and 10-bit 422 codec. That timecode is 10-bit 422 just for easy on my computer to layer 16 8K clips without killing my DaVinci Resolve

[@pablomarin1746]

Great test, I wish you have test the 4k oversampled 4k fine 30p in overheating, becouse I do have R5C for podcasting videos 45min to 60 minutes lenght so i don’t know if the R5II can be use for a 4k multicam podcast. Thanks

[@hughhou]

Good suggestions! There are so many use cases I just tested VR for now. I will do those tests in my next video. Podcast is a good usecase for sure!

[@GabrielScindian]

Can we use the Kondor Blue D-Tap to LPE6 dummy battery on the R5 Mark II

[@hughhou]

Is there a Kandor Blue for the new Canon LP battery or you mean the old one? I do not use the old one and I actually won't recommand to use any dummy d-tap of the old one on the new Mark II. Personally won't play with power supply on my brand new camera.

[@GabrielScindian]

@@hughhou Yeah I was asking about the old one. I have not tried it on my R5II yet

[@torsrive8920]

I am waiting for R1C

[@hughhou]

Wait, is there a R1 C coming?

[@Leivafilms]

Thanks

[@hughhou]

You are very welcome!

[@TJIzzy]

Can you do a overheat test doing 8k 24p RAW and S-RAW? Most people wont use this camera for 8k 60

[@hughhou]

For sure! I will do those next :)

[@TJIzzy]

@@hughhou Sweet, thanks! Also, if you shoot 8K RAW on the R5C, you can interpret as Clog2 in resolve, but it still doesnt feel like real clog2 (I own other canon cinema cams). It will be interesting to test this vs clog2 in the R5ii.

[@TJIzzy]

You have to put the R5C into "base 3200" or "base 800" modes, you cant just be in base 800 and change the iso to 3200, you'll get way more noise than being in base 3200 at 3200.

[@hughhou]

Yes correct and agree 100%. In this test tho, it is on auto switch. Meaning I make sure 3200 is in base 3200. No matter what I use, it is clear that Mark II has better low noise than R5C. I hope that is not true but it is. The sensor is better in light sensitivity.

[@TJIzzy]

@@hughhou nice, I can’t wait for an R5C II. People say it isn’t coming, but Canon will need an answer to the FX3 II & the R5II doesn’t cut it for filmmakers.

[@Billwzw]

In your opinion - will the R5 Mark II replace the R5 and R5C, or is there still a reason why filmmakers would prefer the R5C ?

[@ViciousXUSMC]

@@Billwzw Cinema OS, No IBIS, 8k oversampled 4k 60, Cheaper, just a few things off the top of my head. I'm getting the R5 MK2 to replace a R5 not replace my R5C.

[@pickleydoo]

@@ViciousXUSMC Same. I’m replacing my R5 with the R5ii, but keeping my R5C’s.

[@peterra2532]

For me r5mkii is better choice: clog2 (game changer), ibis is great to have (just disable it if you don't need it for certain shots), the option to film in full frame 4kraw, too bad the 4k60 is not oversampled but I don't think your clients will see a real difference…

[@hughhou]

No IBIS is a good thing or a bad thing?

[@hughhou]

Yes. R5C is still my main camera as most of my production (for clients) are on a tripod. So long running hours is kinda requirement and it is hard to explain to Client that my camera will overheat (unless I want to get fired in day 1 lol)

[@JojoJoget]

Seems like all you had to do was underexpose more in clog 2, sorry to say restarting every time to deal with overheating is simply not practical.

[@hughhou]

We can't in the test. As this is typical california sunny day. F-stop in 16 and need to keep 180 shutter angel and ISO800 for max DR. So there is no more room to underexpose on both clog 2 or 3. There is NO easy ND option for fisheye lens and sensor ND is pain in the butt. So C-log 2 is very practical solution for almost all day time shooting - b/c the nature of fisheye lens and letting too much light in.

[@MoZzArt87]

What about dynamic range?

[@hughhou]

As you see the second test, the dynamic range is better in clog 2. But we will do more test in a rental house which has more measuring devices.

[@MoZzArt87]

@@hughhou i am using canon r6 ii for photography about 2 years, and my expectations for r5 ii is better dynamic range, i need to choose between r5 and r5 ii

[@TomislavMoze]

I think overheating times would be slightly better if the display was opened to side to allow better heat dissipation.

[@hughhou]

100% agree. I can probably get to 18 min if that. Again this is also a comparison test to see heat affecting image quality vs the R5C. More tests will be done soon with this consideration :)

[@aaronjonellhall1937]

@@hughhou I love my Canon R5C and I also see that the R5II isn't really a replacement for it as the R5C can do oversampled in all modes. I hope that Canon can add SRAW to it for the 4k60 unless it's unnecessary? I wonder if the h.264 has just as much info as Sraw?

[@danny8888]

R5II 👍

[@mbismbismb]

Finally a review that not biased by those garbage sony fanboys hahaha great review

[@hughhou]

Thank you!!! Sony fanboys are the worst... but I am also a SONY fanboy lol 😂 On the Venice line only tho.

[@mbismbismb]

@@hughhou hahahahaha should get the c400 instead!

[@TheNewBowunter]

Seems like nobody has a cooling battery grip to test???

[@hughhou]

Nope lol. Base on release docs - cooling battery grip does not increase filming time at all on 8K 60fps. So I might DIY solution - I notice there is area are really hot and area are not. If we can mount some third party heat system it can get longer. Build guide is coming!

[@TheNewBowunter]

@@hughhou Wow…where does the grip help? Did I wasted 400 bucks with the pre-order ?

[@jackmen4]

So they made a new camera that they knew would overheat and purposely did not put a fan in it. Even a miniature fan would have done the job but they just didn’t do it…….

[@hughhou]

The fan is a grip you need to buy extra - about $389 I believe.

[@BrianHallmond]

Good video. I wish they made a camera that was 100% stills focussed.

[@hughhou]

That is R1 - have you checked that one out yet? We don't do still so we did not get the R1.

[@BrianHallmond]

@@hughhou doesn't that do video as well?

[@alainchristian]

This video doesn't explain what double or triple iso is

[@hughhou]

It is sensor native ISO that give you the lowest noise and clearest image. Sorry I just assume people know as it is very common these days on all camera. Great feedback I should not assume.

[@alainchristian]

@@hughhou i looked it up afterward. No worries. I know what it means now.

[@jimmystewartuk]

If Canon just allow a firmware update to allow CLog2 to the R5C… 99% problem solved 🙃

[@hughhou]

This is a most ask feature on day 1 R5C launch ... I think it is a hardware limitation. If not, it should be out 2 years ago!

[@jimmystewartuk]

@@hughhou I don’t think it’s completely hardware… footage can be edited as CLog-2 when converting from RAW. Plus you likely noticed as well the sensor to the R5C is different (better) than the R5, video looks better across the board on the R5C

[@michaelgroinger3659]

@@jimmystewartuk but is it really like you filmed natively in C-Log 2 when you change it in post, for example in DaVinci resolve? I wonder how this test looks like if you do it that way! pretty sure the r5c has the same DR then!

[@z352kdaf8324]

Can't wait for Sony to be the first with all base iso.

[@hughhou]

All base ISO - I don't think it is possible. Sony does not even have triple base ISO... I think SONY is being lazy lately on pro-level camera lineup. A1 is still their best 8K camera. That is 5 years old...

[@ericdewattripont1149]

@@hughhou From this perspective, the $4,300 EOS R5 Mark II has the same image quality as the $6,500 Sony A1. That seems like a win for the EOS R5 Mark II.

[@scottmh]

@@ericdewattripont1149yeah and inferior to a 3800 Nikon z8

[@Kewksdesign]

You realise to make a base iso it’s a new chip on the camera board.

[@shade599]

Sony is truly overrated

[@typorosz]

WHERE IS THE I B I S H I G H R E S O L U T I O N O P T I O N FOR MARK II??? Wjy is the former battery grip and batteries 0% compatible? Why is all this waste of plastic? WHY IS THE DINAMIC RANGE WORST THAN MARK I???

[@hughhou]

Sorry IBIS is in the camera. Dynamic range is not worse than R5 - it is a different sensor design and in every way better than R5. Who said DR is worse? Not based on our test - we can even argue it is better than R5C.

[@THe_BROTHERs-gv1ky]

Ye fake view bdata hai