Triumph Tiger, Terrible Tick-Over! If you can't fix it, it's gotta go! (Part 1)

[@Dumdm]

H Jim! Huge fan from Sweden here. Just got to say that your waffling is extremely educative. I love how we get to follow you through your entire thought process. That is a large part of the reason to why I became I Patreon. Keep up the good work!

[@SuperbikeSurgeryTV]

Thanks Mate 👍

[@sanktsalva8886]

I and many many thousands of other interested viewers of this channel stand full behind this words. Thank you very much for teaching us so many things about how we can unterstand and solve technical problems on our motorcycles. Your waffling really has tremendous value! I wish you all the Best, stay like you are! Regards from Hungary

[@MikeBond-m4l]

Apologies for not introducing myself, I'm a Pom, but resident for over 40 years in South Africa. Owner of three Triumphs, two Daytona 675s and a Speed Triple 1050, one D675 being in the past and the other two current. From experience, basic throttle positioning and TPS setting is critical. I don't know the diagnostic software you're using, I have the old Windows version of TuneECU, which seems to have some functions I did not see on yours. After setting the idle stepper actuator cam clearance (simple mechanical operation using a feeler gauge), TuneECU is used the drive the throttle butterflies to the closed position (via the stepper motor), and the TPS output voltage measured, if it's outside set parameters the TPS is moved to get the correct voltage). Then the software drives the stepper motor to fully open and that voltage is checked. From memory, it should be about 0,7V. The value may vary for the Sprint, but I'm pretty sure the basic process is the same. Once that's done, the stepper motor adaptation is cleared and the ECU re-learns by starting the bike, no touching the throttle, and idling until TuneECU confirms adaptation is complete. By all means check for vacuum leaks, but I recommend doing the outlined procedure first. A check of a Triumph manual for the exact clearances and TPS voltages would obviously be necessary. Good luck, and I look forward to the next video.

[@tomsworkshopprojects]

I really find these ones fascinating, the level of understanding of the engineering going on is so valuable. Even if I never work on a bike like this, I feel my understanding of the bigger picture grows, one reference voltage at a time 😂

[@garycoates8201]

Such bad memories. Exactly what my 2000 Sprint ST 955 used to do (same engine and electronics). In and out of Fowlers which cost me hundreds. Triumph UK even provided a replacement for the engine wiring harness. The issue was always described as the throttle position sensor, symptoms were always fixed but then a couple of months later the same problem came back. Very nearly packed in bike ownership altogether. Looking forward to see if you can find the issue that creates the throttle position problem in the first place. If the only answer is recalibrating the TPS tell the owner to flog it ASAP. Glad I now know you exist. I only live about 5 miles away, shame I didn't know back then.

[@TheMostDangerousWayPossible]

Best motorcycle channel on KZbin!

[@ShootingAir]

lunch, heck I eat my breakfast while watching. :D Funny how I've been doing this myself for 25+ years and I still get joy out of watching others (and occasionally learn stuff, never too old/experienced to learn something new)

[@michaelbull9428]

I look forward to these weekly videos

[@nigelsride]

I love Jim's wafferling 😅 another great video Jim keep them coming, learning so much. 👍

[@TringmotionCoUk]

I've just bought a very unwell tiger, so I am paying attention 🤣

[@ramsayward]

Jim, I had an 04 955i in my workshop for weeks with the same idle/running issues. It was a PITA of a bike. I ran all the usual tests. Went through the re-sets on TuneECU. Everything tested OK. I literally stripped out the engine wiring harness and removed the throttle bodies in desperation to no avail. I spent hours trolling the forums for a solution and in the end had to admit defeat. It's the only one that got away. I was gonna put a replacement ecu on it , as that was the only component I couldn't diagnose, but had to give up. Just to remove the bloody tank was a task in itself. I look forward to this outcome.

[@ingeebeltoft]

You are so clever and Im learning so much. Have a good weekend 😎

[@jonathanspencer8305]

Thanks for another upload. Always love carb videos too!

[@PaulMappud]

Most interesting, no substitute for experience, I'm going for "it's been fannyed about with, with no clue how to set it back up correctly"...

[@alanfrazer3291]

Fantastic, my Sprint ST 955i does the same thing, tickover is high and hesitation at constant speeds..... I'm looking forward to seeing how you fix it....

[@baduridgeback4926]

Jim, Jos from NL here. Owned 26 bikes in 42 years. Three now in garage. Amateur mechanic, always did maintenance and repairs myself. Never to old to learn. Concerning this Triumph: I had same issue with my KTM 950 Adventure. Carburated though. Traced it back to being to lean jets , bad synchro and minute vac leak. Might help.

[@craigmarsh3221]

Hi Jim audio sounds fine to me great video

[@davidschwartz9636]

Finding the video very interesting as alas having a slight problem with my Tiger. I think she's ticking over a bit too low at 1000rpm. The problem is when she gets really warmed up, say when in traffic and idling, every so often the revs will drop right down and she'll stall. After watching this, perhaps I'll try a throttle body balance and if that don't work I'll call you to see if I can bring it over!

[@Gex121]

Everything considered, your audio is just fine. we can hear the bike, and we can hear your waffling 😉 I wouldn't bother worrying about audio.

[@ianmurray3820]

Extremely interesting video, knowing a basic functional flow through a system is half the battle.!!! And you are dead right , :- intermittent faults are a tail chasing exercise .. looking forward to the fix..😁💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@michiel1362]

Great explanation i realised you need to know your stuff to even start to solve this kind of errors. For your information i just logged you on to my you tube creator readout software and the percentage of waffling readings during this video where completely within specs.

[@blastingweevil2968]

can hear you just fine

[@peted7295]

Fascinating as always.

[@markbrown-us4xe]

Filming.must be hard on a couple of brain cells. Thanks and we appreciate you spending the extra time. Your videos are like receiving a present.

[@adamdavies3260]

Thank you for explaining the setup on these triples as I've just got a Daytona with pretty much the same set up also believe it vacuum lines with mine. Anyways thank you cheers from Cornwall aways watching and learning

[@philbrown7078]

Hi Jim, I've just found you on KZbin. i think the way you explain the problem about the bikes is so easy to understand. Without all the bullshit you get on some channels, I watched the video on the triumph tiger 955i with the tick-over problem I have just bought a 2002 tiger in immaculate condition but it is doing same thing as your on the video I no it's a stupid question but will my bike be the same as yours on the video if I will follow the procedure as you did on the video thanks for your time and patience Phil

[@paulturner7829]

Very interesting. Similar issue of low speed erratic running on V strom 1000 2003 but idle speed is good .

[@flibbertigibbet6200]

I had virtually the same issue on my GSX1400 03 I was restoring. Turns out it was the TPS and secondary TPS Once sorted it ran like a dream.

[@jayc1116]

If youve got to remove tank ( a job in itself) check stepper motor unit and pipes . Liking your approach to the work and your video.

[@stephenbyrne7569]

Looking forward to seeing it fixed. I had a similar problem with my Sprint 1050 GT but don't know which thing i did that fixed it.

[@TheWonderfulStevieP]

I know why he did the ignition coils - I had a bonnie with carburation issues on the lh pot. Everyone said so, 2 different garages, including my mate who has his own bonnie the same age(2001) in the shop. Turned out to be ignition coil after stripping carbs, replacing rubbers, jets, everything. Just a few comments on one of the forums led me to it.

[@julianpritchard2558]

I’m here for the waffle .

I had idle problems on mine. Cleaned the stepper motor which fixed it

[@ThomasMoore.1]

Never stop waffling Jim 👍

[@banditnev]

Love the Tech stuff Jim keep it up, love learning even at 69 years old.

[@Paul-899cc]

Great video. Should be interesting when the tank comes off. Entertaining & educational 👍. Give me a carb bike anyday 👍😂

[@cabbage681]

I love learning something new and just did, Thanx Jim👍

[@diggy-d8w]

That is a good looking bike.... I know nothing of it's power or specs as they don't matter here/now. Just a fine LQQKin' Bike

[@weekendmodeller2740]

Yep I see what you say about the jigsaw, one piece at a time. Thanks Jim.

[@MikeBond-m4l]

Can you please explain why, at 24:23, the display shows Throttle Closed Position at 107%? Surely it should be close to 0%. TPS is in the wrong position, I think.

[@xl447]

All great Jim. I see you have fareinheight and psi PID's. You can change to metric and degC. I use Texa all day on trucks.

[@markmiller5577]

Love the graphics

[@nickbouvy8851]

Your audio and lighting is fine

[@richardtaylor2449]

Thanks for the diag' Jim strange problem 😎👍👍👍👨‍🔧

[@cecilwilson5442]

Waffle is good we are learning about the issue then how to test the theory,, finally to end result for us then is the issue is resolved good conclusion,, Fixed bike ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland

[@Ricardo58_]

finally now I can eat my lunch

[@SuperbikeSurgeryTV]

😂

[@philcross1215]

Me too. Tommie souperbike surgery and a triumph tiger roll

[@sandall1491]

Following intently, my Speed Triple 955i loves a good iffy idle !

[@paulcrane2010]

Loving your work Jim. Think you need to reload the parts shotgun, this time get and engine check light 😂😂

[@marscruz]

Since I don't have a waffle iron (maker) I'm going to make some pancakes instead. Close enough. Add some Canadian maple syrup and a couple of tons of Kerrygold butter and I'm good. Prattle on dude!

[@markaddy53]

great video as always next video please

[@1000sguzzi]

I had a 1999 885i with the same problem and the vacuum pipes were cracked and rotted.. I replaced them and it was good to go..

[@martinowl]

A great vid as usual. As many comment, the waffle is invaluable, don’t apologise. For a mechanical/ engineering numpty like me, makes it understandable.

[@snipperukandy3158]

fascinating stuff 👍

[@paulhughes2438]

Hay Jim. Any recommendations for fuel Pressure tools. Brands etc or have you just made you own out of odds and sods? Cheers. Loving your channel as always. 👍🏼

[@memybikeni9931]

You must be literally the only true motorcycle mechanic on KZbin, notwithstanding all the spanner monkeys that do serving and badly at that - Ahem. I do not always get what you’re doing but it’s an education.

[@kevinwilliams4899]

I had an 03 one of them and it always dropped the revs quite quickly after cold start, within a couple minutes always.

[@markmenzies4218]

I'm going for butterflies not closing properly due to dirt. or someone's been messing with them.

[@mathewjones5520]

No issues for this call sign with the audio, clear as a bell over

[@laurencehastings7473]

Why doesn't the éngine check light not work? Either the light itself has a defect or for some curious reason the ECU thinks that the engine is running within specs.

[@ridervfr2798]

I am first! Yay, rode my 93 V-4 to work as I do every day, got a 91 too. If you look after something it will last, especially if it was well designed.

[@mkanalytics1355]

Cool AI pictures for all of the videos lately. Good stuff!

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

I'm thinking throttle position settings immediately.

[@raymorris952]

Idle speed control valve. Me thinks. Or split breather pipes to throttle bodies.

[@Turbofab]

Jim you may remember a random phonecall you had about 2 years ago of a waffling welsh man (me) I have a 955i sprint st, I've now put a turbo on it and had these very same issues before the turbo work, for me I found it was a combination of old vac pipes and TPS being a dick head, but I also replaced the injectors and rail just to be sure, it corrected after that, Also thankyou for your talks when I called it helped me a lot with my question at the time which was the continued rattle I had, waffle on my friend, I'm all ears

[@donaldross4217]

Hi You mention that this tiger had just been away for valve clearance checks Do you know if the fault was there before the valve checks Apologise if you have already mentioned it

[@clintanthony1779]

The more waffle, the better. Waffle on Jim

[@scottbowles9574]

Looks like he’s got some decent miles on the bike, almost 60k….

[@bjrnhjjakobsen2174]

Vacuum leak or o2 sensor or tps sensor

[@01thomasss]

HI! Not to worry about the Waffle - we wouldn't be here if we weren't interested. Cheers, Thomas

[@kenkennedy5516]

Your waffleage sounds just like the wee man who whispers in my ear in the workshop……spooky 🙉🚀

[@specialandroid1603]

I'm riding a 30 year old Triumph Sprint 900 with nowhere near the electrical complexity of more modern bikes. Keep life simple as possible.

[@anonhunter5191]

Extremely interesting waffle, but then again I own a 955ST.

[@module79l28]

Was the fuel tank screw loose while you were riding or was it the camera that made it look like that?

[@marscruz]

I think it was at the intersection of the Insta360 twin lenses. The overlap keeps switching between the two cameras. Just a guess.

[@MotoClassics]

Nothing I couldn't stand more than stupid customers saying "If you can't fix it, I'm going to sell it". What is that, a threat? I'd tell them to go ahead and sell it.

[@julianwilson5468]

TPS?

[@ReCheck_WotTheFluck]

👍

[@jamesweber4938]

Do you have a particular day that you post your videos ?

[@sharg0]

He usually drops them every Friday at the same time (about 12:00 GMT if I remember correctly).

[@sirkitchalott]

🏍️ Audio is fine... Do people really complain (get a life)... Oh, please stop making these videos so addictive - was late picking up the wife 😅

[@sharg0]

I think he has three reasons for wanting better audio: 1 - Make it easier for us to hear issues and noises in a similar way to what he does so it gets easier to explain what he is reacting to. 2 - Allow us to enjoy the well tuned bike when he is done with them. 3 - Be able to speak over the running engine in a normal voice without stepping away or dubbing afterwards.

[@sirkitchalott]

@@sharg0 fair comment! Great vids nevertheless

[@Damian-l3q]

Hi Jim I'm a mechanic like your work less talk

[@robbie2awesome]

Makes me want to got to a waffle house and order a huge plate of waffles that does! Vid 2 awesome XD

[@shakey2634]

Can some explain what the British term “tick-over” means? Ha!

[@SuperbikeSurgeryTV]

It means "Idling"

[@shakey2634]

@ Ah! I thought it had to do with “turn over” a phrase we sometimes use in place of “crank”. It cranked just fine, hence my confusion. Thanks!

[@vanislandsteve]

Why waste time riding? Just fix it.

[@Alienargg]

I only watch for the waffles 🧇