Trolling Chevron with DougDoug - Safety Third 104

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‪@TheBackyardScientist‬
‪@williamosman‬
‪@allenpan‬
‪@DougDoug‬
Safety Third is a weekly show hosted by William Osman, NileRed, The Backyard Scientist, Allen Pan and a couple other KZbin "Scientists". Sometimes we have guests, sometimes it's just us, but always: safety is our number three priority.
00:00 Doug Doug Doug Doug
6:45 Gun in the fridge
11:38 Established Titles
18:50 Slammed on the Senate floor
26:20 Storytelling is hard
38:10 Skyrim ASSets
44:18 Dumping ice in on a glacier
54:49 Inventing trees
01:00:39 Video games used to be better
01:13:10 Ai is scary
01:25:35 Opensauce
01:31:03 How to train AI
01:38:04 AI generated WW2
01:46:35 APPLY TO OPENSAUCE

[@hohohodrigues]

The bald community is so happy rn

[@Zebra_M]

An absolute win! Quick, play the odyssey takeoff music

[@russianbigbird4161]

The plus side of being a bald person is you can rent out the top of your head to advertisers as premium ad space

[@quantuminfinity4260]

BetterHelp had a number of problems, to summarize a huge dealbreaker one. They collected and sold private information that was very much illegal and very much against Hipaa. The CEO said that would be super unethical and they never would do that. It was then proven that they absolutely were doing that.

[@MrNoipe]

Why aren't they in jail then?

[@quantuminfinity4260]

@@MrNoipe That’s kind of a rhetorical question, why aren’t the CEOs that have been directly responsible for all sorts of Financial or ethical crimes all in jail? They are being fined for it. But that’s almost just the cost of doing business.

[@kennytheamazing]

They also let completely unqualified and unlicensed people work as therapists on their platform, which is downright dangerous.

[@dth99times]

Jesus

[@Blake-jl8lh]

​@@kennytheamazing do you have a source for that? As that would be malpractice

[@555feddy]

Why does Nigel look like he's started drinking olive oil?

[@teletummy]

“Making a bomb but chat controls one of my arms”

[@BrickyBoi]

Which one is nile red I only recognize doug and backyard scientist

[@teletummy]

@@BrickyBoi he was one of the original hosts but he left the podcast, people just make jokes that guests they bring in are him in disguise or something like that

[@BrickyBoi]

@@teletummy thank you

[@StereoTyp0]

Climate scientists prefer "climate change" to "global warming" because there can be localized cooling despite a net increased temperature.

[@straphyr]

It also better describes the changes to storm frequency and severity in a way people might notice on their own rather than leaving the inference of more heat/heat deltas equals more energy in storms

[@ac.creations]

I'm doing my part!

[@Hansengineering]

"climate change" is a term entirely made up by the GOP in the early '00s.

[@Joe_Pittard]

It's Because they realized the climate wasn't actually warming in a way that would cause widespread panic, we're about a degree warmer than the medieval warm period, on average. That is insignificant considering just one volcano eruption can make a way bigger difference in a single day.

[@tabcaps5819]

They activated plan *TREE*

[@leftthegan]

Unexpected crossover

[@TBH_Inc]

Amazing crossover though. These are some of my most watched creators. I was in disbelief when I saw the thumbnail for a section, had to start watching the video.

[@leftthegan]

@@TBH_Inc Same

[@jd111102]

​@@TBH_IncI couldn't believe my eyes with the thumbnail..

[@christianmiller2960]

But a welcome one

[@jurassicpork765]

This was inevitable. Will will always appear next to everyone cool on KZbin eventually

[@drew3454]

I'm a licensed therapist, and here's why clients and other therapists have told me to avoid BetterHelp like the plague: 1. They will connect you with a therapist that MAY NOT EVEN BE LICENSED, and likely is not in your state. 2. They will straight-up lie about whether or not they accept your insurance, or change the amount of your co-pay without telling you and charge you $100 a session after you've been seeing your therapist for 4 months.

[@olidouze8022]

Yup,William is defending a company gbat he isn't knowledgeable about n assuming wrong stuff again

[@Tsureiki]

@@olidouze8022 podcasters do that a lot, especially about betterhelp

[@cadneemountai2791]

The editor had to work very hard on this episode to add legs to every frame doug is in

[@JD2jr.]

I think they were smart and figured it out in pre production, those are prosthetics. The editors didn't have to add legs everywhere, just cover up spots where you could see they weren't real.

[@PKCubed]

Too bad the editor doesn't know how to add hair.

[@fathertig9494]

Here I was, watching safety third to get away from all the Doug-tainted media out there and boom, he just forces himself on the podcast. This is the future the believers want.

[@user-fx3qb9vz1t]

youtube is rigged

[@D_The_Snek]

I think the best quote to summarize how GPT should be used is "It should do tedious things for creative people, not do creative things for tedious people."

[@nonfelem3376]

Sadly after this episode every member of the safety third crew got divorced, including the single ones

[@jd111102]

Dog ass on my favorite podcast? Made my whole day holy shit

[@somedude4832]

I read this as “made my whole day shit” and I’m going to choose to interpret it that way

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

@@somedude4832seems normal for his chat

[@feeplemurphy4618]

​@@WhatIsTheHeatr/wehatedougdoug

[@hydration_fnf]

@@somedude4832 i mean it DOES say that

[@halenlindberg]

57:14 The fossil fuels we burn came from the carboniferous period when basically the whole planet was covered in thick vegetation and algae and plankton in the ocean not from dinosaurs. The breakdown of algae in anaerobic environments at the bottom of the ocean is where most oil deposits came from as well as decaying vegetation trapped in bogs which is where we get the carbon in coal deposits.

[@FlintSparkedStudios]

Weird I was pretty sure they came from your mom??

[@Smileyreal]

@@FlintSparkedStudios bad joke, i sentence you to listening to 100 gecs.

[@toastxer]

​@@Smileyreal I have to know if this is related to the podcast at all anymore or you just hate/love 100 gecs so much you brought them up unprompted

[@Smileyreal]

@@toastxer their music just goes really hard and i've been getting migraines more often since i started listening to them so i think about them a lot.

[@someonespecia123]

When I saw the thumbnail I was like "is that dougdoug????" Boy was I pleasantly surprised

[@beannshorts]

Same lol

[@Ivanfesco]

its like the picture of him where he looks the least like himself

[@JD2jr.]

I was really hoping it was DougDougDougDoug. But at least it wasn't DougDougDoug, that guy sucks.

[@Raymuk]

@@JD2jr. What do you mean that's clearly Ougdoug

[@DazsdWTP]

Unfortunately they could only get dougdougdoug

[@HeyBUB]

I love that u are working with DougDougDougDougDoug. Hes by far one of the best twitch personalities out there.

[@Joseph125]

I hope they get DougDougDougDougDougDoug on the podcast next

[@adolphuskuek]

Nigel looks different

[@jchrizzy6995]

He changes more every episode

[@bnice1374]

He finally reached adolescence

[@jacknikolai5416]

New texture pack. That’s all

[@UristMcYoutuber]

Ah yes, DouglasDouglas, the biggest brain youtube maker

[@logan_page]

Brain so big that it pushed the hair right out of his head.

[@firewalkwithjuno5421]

Was honestly wondering which previous guest this was, looks way different without his specific presentation I guess

[@CaseyShontz]

I read “DouglasDouglas” in Parkzer’s voice

[@enriqueaquiahuatl8554]

Mind you, he was nominated to the best software development streamer

[@joundii3100]

​@@CaseyShontzAs you should

[@jan_harald]

a big part of the betterhelp drama was also stuff like therapists going like "have you tried not being trans" and crap like that, in addition to all the other stuff like it wasn't just accidentally being bad, it was a lot of "therapists" (btw very few of them have actual licenses, anyway) who flat out didn't even try to help, but were actively harmful to their clients mental health, because it clashed with their personal beliefs

[@milksheihk]

Connections to, & working with the IDF is also bad optics

[@Blake-jl8lh]

Do you have a source that they were unlicensed therapists? Isnt that malpractice as they are making the claim the therapists are licensed.

[@jan_harald]

@@Blake-jl8lh I probably misremembered, according to some affiliate's blog "BetterHelp requires all its therapists to be fully licensed in their respective fields. These professionals may be psychologists (Ph.D. / PsyD), marriage and family therapists (MFT), licensed clinical social workers (LCSW / LICSW), or licensed professional counselors (LPC / LCPC)." and "all have at least 3 years and 1,000 hours of hands-on experience" and quick search doesn't seem to find anything saying otherwise, so idk, prolly imagined it

[@supermexicanroboninja3116]

​@@jan_harald As with any company's hiring procedures, saying they require a minimum amount of experience or licensing doesn't mean anything. Nothing stopping them from hiring a brainless nobody because they're shorthanded.

[@tiredboard]

@@Blake-jl8lh There's a youtube video with 'betterhelp' and 'virus' in its title that goes over a lot of the bad stuff about betterhelp. One of which is that in its old terms of service, it used to say things like "We do not control the quality of the Counselor Services and we do not determine whether any Counselor is qualified...", "It is your responsibility to conduct independent verification regarding any Counselor", and that they do not guarantee basically anything about the counselor.

[@captainroyy21]

As obvious a gag as it was to most of us, Established Titles did not word it as such until after getting exposed.

[@fisheatsyourhead]

Exactly, and as much as they like to think they have an audience intelligent enough to see through it, there are literal children and people without much digital literacy watching that can and will fall for a scam if it's advertised to them via youtubers, that's why companies like that use youtubers instead of traditional advertisements. Doesn't sit right that will just brushes off advertising a scam as "it's obviously just a gag" when the company in question did everything to portray itself as not a gag.

[@aidanclark196]

15:16 it was CGPGrey that made the video Will was talking about, and his points are basically the same (minus the physically active part) that allen talked about in that book so I went and checked and the video was apparently based on an academic paper released in 2009. Neat

[@DRakeTRofKBam]

Can you name the academic paper if you dont mind?

[@aidanclark196]

@@DRakeTRofKBam Just in case the link makes the comment not go through, the title of the paper is "What Makes Online Content Viral" by Jonah Berger and Katherine Milkman from UPenn

[@DRakeTRofKBam]

@@aidanclark196 Thanks so much

[@DSmittie]

Two completely different interests of mine in the KZbin sphere combined without any real warning and honestly I can’t be happier

[@TheVillainInThisGame]

Can't believe y'all kidnapped DougDoug

[@cheesydoesit23]

now he knows how we feel in the basement

[@skkat7336]

I never thought dougdoug would be on this podcast but now that i think about it he is kinda a perfect fit

[@pissoffeachother]

Pretty sure he also lives in California. No longer that other place that doesn't mattet

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

@@pissoffeachotherhe moved specifically for collabs

[@CptFUBAR]

I just recently watched a few DougDoug/Twitch Chat videos and really liked them! That being said, I didn't recognize him at all during the introduction jokes. 😂 Glad to see y'all giving opportunities to the follically challenged out there.

[@jan_harald]

actually, more data is *NOT* the best way to go "more better", instead, more *GOOD* data is the best way...just shoving more data in, is the EASIEST way, though... there's entire papers about how people who trained with specifically hand-curated training data, got nearly as good models as the current top models, at a FRACTION of the size and complexity, but it isn't that cheap to manually curate the datasets, it takes a lot of time and effort, which is why people just blindly throw data at it, because "it works well enough" at the cost of requiring literally supercomputers to be able to crunch through it, while the hand-curated ones can run on FAR lower hardware requirements, and training costs are lower too

[@teresa3567]

Limitations are sooooo important for creativity and problem solving.

[@BelindaShort]

This is so true and I wish that more people understood it.

[@gordonlangell754]

Kevin mentioned Cody’sLab at 1:21:10 ! I sure hope they do an episode with him as a guest sometime, I think that would be an excellent episode.

[@Voyajer.]

Gotta convince Cody on that one

[@straphyr]

​@@Voyajer. ​I wonder if an on location podcast from chickenhole base might be appealing, he'd have a heck of a lot to talk about

[@ac.creations]

Cody Slab.

[@phygs]

pretty sure he said he wouldn't

[@tomheath8975]

@@Voyajer. He just did a collab with the waterjet channel so there's still hope 🤞

[@Bein_Ian]

YES. I'm glad I heard Doug say he did the podcast on stream. This was highly anticipated.

[@W9e0e2e3e4pizza]

Trees store carbon in the ground via roots. Dinosaurs are not your fossil fuels they were not abundant and energy dense enough to produce any notable amounts of fuels. Instead ancient plants, bacteria, and cyanobacteria make up nearly all fossil fuels.

[@Slowdowndummy]

Yeah well you're not abundant or energy dense enough

[@jordan869]

Screw entertainment AI, where are my accessibility AIs? I want to have a super advanced macro that controls my computer, not crappy art

[@thespazdragon]

Love this line of thought at 1:20:00 ish. This is exactly what happened with electronic music. In the beginning the sounds were very crisp and clean and everything kept perfect time, and that quickly lost it's novelty. What artists ended up doing was finding ways to 'humanize' the sounds of these tools, intentionally using broken gear, outdated recording tech, and intentionally adding subtle imperfections in other ways to make the music more 'alive.' I can see this happening with AI too. People are going to find better ways of using the tools to make something we couldn't make before, but is still definitely human.

[@henoji777]

Interesting convo but wanted to add on that a lot of ppl are mad at AI for a reason beyond job loss. The current AI is using stolen work of small time creators to grow. (Also checking out that book seems like a good read just by the 1 anecdote allen shared)

[@theokid2000]

Doug saying "people will start to have identifiers for specific bad AI content" only really works for everyone who is constantly inundated with it. Every old person today cant even pick apart the most common ones, and many people who aren't terminally online probably wont be nearly as good at picking up those identifiers. One day maybe, but I think that growth period is much longer than he makes it out to be, and the damage it could cause during that time is what I think Will is freaked out by.

[@Trade4Lewt]

completely agree

[@Happy156]

THAT'S MY STREAMER!!

[@Cootato]

Finally, the crossover event i didnt know i needed

[@Crazy56U]

0:05 To be honest, this was kinda how I thought this episode would start.

[@skelehedron3070]

When they talked about the genuine uses of chat GPT I think of how my mother's workplace uses it. Because they are a company that gives food service to people who often couldn't get a good education, they need to put things at a 6th grade reading level. This used to be very difficult, because everyone writing the reports was a specialist who had no idea what a 6th grade reading level was, but now what was one of the most difficult parts of their jobs became a lot easier, because the AI can put complex issues at a 6th grade reading level with ease. IDK I just find it cool how people use these things as a tool, rather than trying to turn it into a free "Do my job for me" kind of thing

[@apieist]

y'all never have collabs that I expect but I'm so for it every time

[@Dan-km8je]

This is one of the best episodes of any podcast I've ever listened to, and I've listened to every single episode of the yard. doug blends with you guys so well, you NEED to get him on again.

[@ipiqqyfpv]

Omg best crossover/ collab ever. Long time fan of both Doug and the safety third group

[@ReeseHosgood]

19:20 For me it kind of depends on how much I like/ am passionate about the video. If I really like it, I’ll tend to put more in effort. Currently I’ve been uploading a bunch of clips from my backlog of previously non-uploaded Xbox live clips so, some of those are just default or minimal effort thumbnails because I have a lot of individual clips to upload.

[@samhill88]

doug

[@personwhohasnoname]

I feel like Doug should create a channel DougDougDougDougGoose.

[@thewaterdude]

Omg omg omg they just keep getting all my favorite people! Genuinely so happy. Falco, now bald doug!

[@huntie1608]

Australia is hot enough. Stop sending us heat!

[@operationsauce7511]

I have watched this 23,584 times and can confirm it is a certified Safety Third classic

[@Gaulixian]

Just a suggestion, but next year Open Sauce could be on the USS hornet its 30 min from SF, has tons of parking, food trucks near by, and it is a aircraft carrier with tons of space! Thanks for reading

[@forbidden_muffin]

I love disguisedtoast's name bc it's a mishearing of a hearthstone card (who says "this guy's toast" when you play him) and i'm so glad that he was a helping hand in shaping DruglessDrugless

[@PokefreakMaster333]

Dougey being here for almost two hours is well worth it

[@angolomat882]

Ok so if anyone is looking for solution to the question "Why did carbon got "stuck" in carbon deposits and some fossils?". It happened because in prehistoric times there were no microbes that decomposed wood so when the primitive tree or other woody plant died the massive amounts of carbon it stored in itself to create that wood had no way of coming back into the atmosphere thru decomposition. So they layed there dead until the ground level rose up enough to swolow their dead trunks. In modern era it is not impossible to say but less efficiant as we have multitude of bacteria and multicellular organisms having ability to decompose wood and wood like materials. Also bogs and oxygen defiant areas can trap carbon as the organic carbon reach material that ends up there can not be decomposed as the organism that would do that need oxygen to do so. Side note this is why we have the carbonifeurs period named after carbon

[@KoeddkHD]

Funny that you spoke about Superbowl ads. This video had almost the same amount of ads :D

[@ScottCalvinsClause]

It would also be cool if there were multiple radio "bases" in separate corners of the venue so you could go over to red base and direct the red forces and then go to the blue base and direct the blue forces etc.. It would be fun to see attendees choose teams and participate in the war.

[@necorV]

two hour episode, damn we're eating good today

[@coolpiehead1234]

Hell yeah, almost 2hrs of the boys with doug, I think I've died and awoke in podcast heaven

[@AlaskaSkidood]

Allen's cooler of ice on a glacier idea is hilarious.

[@daviddemmers130]

No retroactieve carbon capture is the same as the fridge experiment. To get it out of the atmosphere it takes more energy they you are pulling out. This is only possible with all renewable energy if you want it to make sense.

[@olive4200]

"the moon doesn't have an atmosphere, we can give it back" is a crazy quote

[@skateruwu]

Wow thats so strange, I just started down the dougdoug rabbit hole like a week ago and now hes on my favorite podcast

[@jmacku35]

r/wehatedougdoug will be hearing about how long it took me to be recommended this

[@dennismagnusson2141]

About how the Large Language Model works, if we take an extremely small example, it can only input float (decimals) and output floats. The model is just weighted random (float) and we convert ex the letter A to ex 0.25 letter B to 0.5, C to 0.75 and D to 1.0 (if we only had 4 letters). If you train it AAB and AAC and and you input AA it will either return B or C with 50% of each, if you train it AAB, AAB and then AAC it will have 66.6..% chance for returning B is 33.33...% chance for returning C. If you do this with the whole alphabet instead of just 4 letters and train it on longer text, basically multiply this example by a billion and thats how GPT works and even Image generation works, but instead of letters mapped to float, its RGB XY mapped to floats..

[@Trade4Lewt]

Im so glad you guys got Nigel on the pod again

[@markaldrich8753]

I think we should build a gigantic tungsten rod, and pump all the heat into that, then put it on a rocket and launch it into space! Just redo that a couple times a year!

[@jakobfindlay4136]

I was full send on ramdisks at that age get nvme speeds on a computer from 2010, only downside was data loss with unexpected shutdowns

[@joshebbin2381]

59:36 Me, an Earth and Environmental Science Major, watching the Safety Third Crew just get EVERYTHING wrong...

[@gljames24]

Ya'll need to have NightHawkinLight on. He's literally making passive cooling using radiative panels that converts incoming light to infrared that cuts thru the atmosphere.

[@stoneguinea]

it's nice to see Doug outside of his enclosure every now and then ❤ i'm glad they let him out

[@BardyYasha]

Hey guys, I think the rice crispies guy just did a "yoink and twist", his video explore the different tastes of various woods and so on!

[@Malzanar2010]

The problem with better help is that they don’t guarantee that you’re even getting a real therapist, and that they use actual patient info with personal info in ads, among other things

[@BelindaShort]

"I love Carbon Maxxing" omg

[@poshrat993]

I saw the thumbnail and literally said there’s no way that’s dougdoug right??? Fricken awesome.

[@manemobiili]

My favorite content creators!

[@AnanasHerz69]

Douglas Douglas?

[@oofery5139]

doogles doogles

[@nevaeh9125]

Glued Ass

[@coviox]

Fossil fuels are mostly ancient forests and Peat bogs, coal for example came from the Carboniferous, it was very warm and humid and the co2 levels were high, so as we burn the concentrated hydrocarbons from that epoch, the earths co2 rises back toward Carboniferous levels.

[@Simon_Reid]

Crossover of the century!!

[@nightspicer]

5:59 I remember thinking that the shorts channel should be named "doug", but I guess that just wasn't a good enough idea to actually use

[@redcraftengine6994]

Doug Doug is my favorite KZbinr. My birthday is 10/4. This is my episode and you can't tell me otherwise because I'll cry.

[@Pallerim]

I was in the middle of writing a nodejs app when you started talked about it

[@ericnunya]

never on earth did I forsee this collab

[@jmacku35]

A child of Douglas and William would be formidable.

[@thatradioguy6839]

There's ALWAYS a mod for skyrim, including what was discussed.... AllWAYS

[@TheRhedNova]

Hey! I work on a lot of zoological research and I guess I'm also technically an AI scientist now? I just wanted to respond to Doug's comment about fine tuning vs ground up machine learning. Finetuning is absolutely the correct approach for the kind of work Doug does, and that a lot of the general public will do. However, ground up is still the preferred method for a lot of research and high level use because the precision matters a lot and starting with an existing model can really, really muddy your waters (believe me, we found this the hard way), especially when the type of data you need to generate is in minute quantities online.

[@SafetyAlwaysLast]

I don't understand why they put the side character of the Doug Doug KZbin channel on this episode of the podcast, we need twitch chat to get in there for the next episode.

[@DoryanGrey18]

DougDoug WikiFeet 5-star rating speed run stream when?

[@DeliciousHunterMD]

Grunge scene gona go hard in the 2080s after the AI-driven resurgence of the nuclear family in the 2050s, and the punk scene of the late 2070s.

[@okarthegreat]

There is no way DougDoug would be on a science podcast. r/wehatedougdoug WILL be hearing about this. For real this time, trust me.

[@lordmemester8798]

The coincidence of this occurring is wild. I just started watching DougDoug over the past 3 weeks. I feel like I must be responsible for this, somehow. Thanks, all!

[@luckyshark32]

entertainingly I just enjoy how will is turning into an old man about marketing things toward children, while wearing a tshirt with pikachu on it.

[@fusionbolt18]

Nigel lookin real bald today

[@bartebob5424]

great vid

[@Xyzair]

The walkie talkie with war comms could be a great tool for an ARG

[@fishy000]

This is like the equal but opposite of when Hank Green went on The Yard.

[@HailHydra27]

That radio game sounds like this game that i forget the name of where you were a radio operator in Vietnam directing troops and all you had to work with was a map and the incoming audio from the field

[@B-Nice]

“Ahhhh, I was thinking panSpermia” 😂

[@Man2quilla]

Heavenly blunt rotation

[@sharxbyte]

I am quite pleased that I've trained my phone's voice recognition to the point of overkill, because it did not even recognize the command let alone make the recurring purchase

[@lvciferkaminski]

Love to see Doug here doing braintalks

[@Princesssbishhh]

The Wii remote, white board projector thing… was that the tech that created the “smart board”? I used to use those in school!!!!

[@CalebHansonlets]

Most carbon comes from plants, not dinosaurs. Gas is liquid plant, not liquid dino.

[@jarrettnelson2936]

Can we finally get the oyster fishing video?

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

The problem is better help is that they sell your data when it is supposed to be protected from being shared at all

[@nerdlord7994]

DougDoug feat. Safety third? Hell yeah