Trope Talk: Darkest Hours

[@Striker2054]

"I'm sorry for using Avatar for everything..." It's almost as if it's a well rounded story that covers a lot of the major tropes well. Funny that.

[@brucewatkinson5254]

The show in the third season even poked fun at the ‘Boring, But Practical’ equipment trope when Aang found a set of large, overtly elaborate (but impractical) battle armour that he couldn’t move around in, in which was comically inspired by an early toy design of Aang with an armor suit. This show keeps on giving.

[@im_tired1439]

Is it bad that I’ve never seen Avatar?😅

[@Striker2054]

@@im_tired1439 If you get a chance, you really should. It's a great show. Avoid the movie by M.Night Shamalamadingdong, though. It's a dumpster fire.

[@domj3698]

I'm watching it for the first time now and every time she mentions it I have to skip ahead, it's almost impossible to block out all spoilers since I already know the basic gist of things and have seen that awsome bit where aang does the seismic sense thing and shoots up that rock to block ozies attack but I'm still holding on to what i have left

[@sineadthomas2024]

Dominic Jeynes I started watching it recently, despite knowing all the spoilers from these vids. It’s still good

[@doughauck57]

“My first girlfriend turned into the moon.” “... That’s rough, buddy.”

[@TheShadotz]

She sure needed alot of space

[@slateoffate9812]

@@TheShadotz I think 238,900 miles is a bit much.

[@lahlybird895]

This quote. ... SO OVER DONE! ... I love it

[@dahntaedeluna]

Douglas Hauck 😂🤣😂

[@mythicalgirl2005]

Luke Castellan: Yeah, I feel ya. Mine turned into a tree.

[@animorph17]

"We will stop you!" "FOOL! Don't you know evil always triumphs in the middle?!"

[@ronjayrose9706]

What about in the beginning?

[@wedran9225]

@@ronjayrose9706 In the beginning it could go either way, since its all just setup anyways.

[@jamesmasse5794]

So what you're saying is we just need to wait and we're good

[@quasicreator2027]

James Masse How I solve all my problems.

[@cloudhazard2860]

Almost at 666...kinda sus bro

[@flightnesssnowbirb8318]

"This is not your average, everyday darkness. This is...ADVANCED darkness." -Spongebob, in his most literal darkest hour

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I don't know but I felt that.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Which episode was this?

[@flightnesssnowbirb8318]

@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 Rock Bottom

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Oh, yeah. I remember that one. Thanks

[@mortuos557]

@@flightnesssnowbirb8318 literally

[@skyhideaway]

When you talked about depression and then Avatar, I honestly expected you to go into Zuko's personal darkest hour. Because guess what? Zuko's darkest hour was literally when he got everything he wanted. He gets credit for killing the Avatar, he goes back to the palace, his father "loves" him again, he earns back the title of crown prince, he gets a girlfriend, he gets to attend war meetings. Basically, everything Zuko had ever hoped for. He thought that all of this would make him happy, but it doesn't. Instead, he's only more and more miserable, angry and confused at himself. He realizes that this isn't what he wanted, that pandering to his dad's ideals is only making him unhappy, because it's _wrong_ . Zuko was never inherently evil and doing bad things only made him miserable. And this is absolutely genius writing because Zuko had to abandon all of his luxury in order to go and find himself. That just shows that you don't have to be in a tragic place in order to be unhappy, and sometimes what you thought would make you happy really doesn't.

[@toe_sucker_4165]

That's fair, and it's a good analysis, but Zuko's darkest hour was definitely when he literally yelled at a cloud to hit him with lightning.

[@skyhideaway]

@@toe_sucker_4165 lol i wouldn't really say that. At that time, he still had Iroh with him. He was mostly depressed and in a bad mental state before his redemption as a whole, but i don't think that was his darkest hour.

[@wjzav1971]

I also like that this is the point where Zuko makes his Heel-Face-Turn. Had it been before, in the Earth Kingdom when he was still a fugitive, the takeaway could have been "Oh, he only helps the Avatar because his father and his people gave him nothing." But instead he does it when he gets the most respect in the Fire Nation that he ever had hammering home the fact that its not about having nice things but about the right morals. This is why I honestly didn't like Terra's Heel-Face-Turn in Teen Titans Season 2 finale. She only started turning on Slade when he treated her like crap and slapped her in the face. And suddenly all the Titans are like "Oh she is a true friend" and I'm like "FUCKING WHAT? NO SHE ISN'T!".

[@skyhideaway]

@@wjzav1971 exactly! a lot of villains get their redemption arcs when they lose everything in life and they have no other choice but to join the heroes. that doesn't prove that they've changed, it just proves that they're playing to their advantage. Zuko coming to the realization that what he did was wrong and leaving everything he had - his royal status, his family, his dad's temporary "respect" towards him - to join the Gaang shows that he always had a moral compass and that he's willing to do the right thing, even if it means dropping everything he worked so hard for. that's a true redemption arc. i haven't watched Teen Titans but what you said reminded me of Catra from She-ra. her redemption was executed poorly in so many ways but one of the key details was that she only joins the heroes because she had lost everything and had no other choice. it really rubbed me the wrong way and especially after it was proven time and time again that she never really redeemed herself and continued being a toxic and abusive person.

[@Sabawn2821]

The only reason I didn’t click like on this fantastic comment was because it was at 777 likes.

[@hasanmuttaqin464]

"you can't stay in darkest hour forever" anakin: this is outrageous, this is unfair

[@JaelinBezel]

“I demand an opposing skill check.”

[@sev1120]

Anakin's darkest hour lasted from the moment he killed Dooku, all the way to when he saves Luke from Palpatine on the death star. It's more like a darkest few decades, but still

[@SeraphimCramer]

@@sev1120 More like from when his mom died.

[@alamrasyidi4097]

that man is a walking tragedy...

[@mario27171]

And in my darkest hour I heard a voice: "Smile and be happy, it could be worse!" And I smiled and I was happy ... . . . . . ... and it got worse.

[@juniorjunior5884]

Smile...Cause All-Might will be there soon.

[@silverstar4505]

#Life

[@MoonLight-zj8iu]

And then I laughed and flipped everything the bird! You can't stop me! I'm fuck mothering me! Mwahahahahahahahahahaha

[@juniorjunior5884]

@@MoonLight-zj8iu Another reason to smile.

[@mario27171]

@@MoonLight-zj8iu First you scream, then you cry, and at last you can't stop laughing.

[@EmperorTigerstar]

Avatar The Last Airbender once again being the best at everything.

[@stevemcgroob4446]

Everyday of Avatar's 100 year war please.

[@edi9892]

Except for Legend of Korra...

[@luciusvernus3174]

Wow nice

[@nelsinki5177]

....And Shyamalan's Last Airbender. XD

[@goldenbrigain7031]

god that show was my blood and heart

[@forestofstorms]

"don't treat depression like literary darkest hours." *Looks at mental health state* ... Ooooooh... Yeah, I see now. Let's not do that.

[@confirmedbachelor4650]

HAHAHAHA i felt something there

[@mortuos557]

Find hope. Somewhere, anywhere. It'll not end, but be a little more bearable.

[@humanatee6639]

Doesn’t the darkest hour change depending on what time of year it is? Like, during winter its different than in summer. And nights with new moons are way darker than full moon.

[@idkusername5789]

A Dog We’re fundamentally daytime creatures, and our bodies have incentivised that. It’s why seasonal depression is a thing. Keep in mind this is a gross oversimplification, I am in no way an expert.

[@marlene2723]

I think Hunger Games did it well in that(to me, I don't know much about mental illness) it does look pretty realistically like mental illness at the end of Mockingjay, after she kills Coin. She stays depressed and lethargic for months, she attempts suicide, and even after the happily-ever-after with Peeta, neither of them are totally happy again. They still have nightmares and flashbacks to the Games.

[@laotasurfs1110]

Best darkest hour in a Disney animated movie imo: Aladdin. Structurally darkest because Jafar actually wins, actually gets everything he wanted. He gets the lamp, takes over Agrabah and remakes it in his image, sends Aladdin to the ends of the earth, and he still has one wish left. Emotionally dark because Aladdin's lie about being a prince is exposed, his friends are all mad at him, and the last time he had the lamp, he had the opportunity to free the Genie like he promised but wouldn't do it, thus making Jafar's victory possible in the first place.

[@Sorain1]

Yup. Of all the Disney villains, Jafar was the one who got closest to an outright victory. If he'd just been willing to sit on 'the most powerful sorcerer in the world' (which was solving everything for him!) he would have had that on lockdown. But like most villains, he couldn't be content at winning. He had to have ALL the winning.

[@phastinemoon]

And excellent visual storytelling, as it’s also the darkest, visually - it turns stormy, all dark blue and cold... not unlike the first AtLA Darkest Hour.

[@Loopimay]

@@Sorain1 I'd say Scar got much closer to winning. Mainly because he literally did win, only to be defeated years later.

[@Sorain1]

Oh snap... I think I'll have to concede that one. His mistake was not thinking far enough ahead in case the kid ever came back. (He wasn't ruthless enough perhaps?) Though technically it's hard to argue it wasn't the weather screwing him over since everyone is complaining that the hunting is lean, and that's not his fault in any way we are shown. (Okay, and I legitimately feel bad for his shock troops, they were getting screwed for no reason, so of course the signed on with a dictator offering them food!)

[@laotasurfs1110]

@@Sorain1 "He wasn't ruthless enough perhaps?" Nope. Scar told the hyenas to kill Simba but they failed to catch to him and gave up kinda easy. So his real mistake was trusting hyenas.

[@DiscountWhiskey078]

"Judy accidentally makes everyone racist" - Red 2019

[@princesoulger999]

Judy: Oops my bad.

[@willowbarrelmaker8269]

She's not wrong

[@mortuusponduus7879]

I think that red should watch adventure time, it has like 8 different darkest hours

[@SorowFame]

- Pigspiel - I know right? It's so irritating.

[@decoral]

1000th like😂

[@Cecona]

The most heart wrenching darkest hour I’ve seen was in Toy Story 3, when the toys are holding hands ready to accept death from the incinerator.

[@joditiarsutrisno5556]

Yeah, and remember that old guy with floating house ?

[@wildfire9280]

@@joditiarsutrisno5556 from the movie Down?

[@joditiarsutrisno5556]

@@wildfire9280 Lmao 😅

[@naanbred2735]

@@wildfire9280 Yeh the one that made literally nobody cry especially not me?

[@GooseGodGeb]

I remember when somebody edited the movie so that it ended there and pranked their mom with it.

[@unknonymous5220]

“You can’t stay in the darkest hour forever” Warhammer: allow me to introduce myself

[@MajorRibcageIII]

Warhammer: How about I do anyway

[@PrincessX-ke8tj]

HOLY HORUS IM WHEEZING!

[@Krahazik]

So Warhamme risn't the darkest hour, its the darkest century?

[@Fluffy52600]

@@Krahazik The darkest Millenium. Except for the ten millenium before that. And the ten before that... and the ten before that one..... 40k years of dark!

[@Chaossoul87]

good one, bro

[@743d43ladyfae]

The Darkest Hours: When Red takes the room away from Blue and Blue is now standing

[@Boxoflife]

Sydney Murphy “Blue Strikes Back*

[@FBI-dr4bk]

@@Boxoflife the one after that would be "Return of the Blue"

[@alanepithet2931]

@@FBI-dr4bk No, because it implies Blue already returned with the Blue Strikes Back. It'd be Return of the Red, or Rise of [Not Red Or Blue].

[@LeifMaelstrom]

@@alanepithet2931 Rise of Grey

[@alanepithet2931]

@@LeifMaelstrom Yeah, like that! Or Yellow, if we're doing primary colors.

[@redtexan7053]

“Batman’s darkest hour is when his parents died.” Jason Todd: Am I a joke to you?

[@James-zr8vi]

@laz kar Except in the Dark Knight Returns, where Bruce stops being Batman and waits ten years for Gotham itself to be in it's darkest hour to don the cowl and beat up some criminals and the Mutant Gang.

[@user-vg1ev8mv7f]

She wasn’t undermining anything about the bat family so much as pointing out that Batman’s origin story was one that used a “darkest hour” scenario to trigger the change that led to him becoming a hero.

[@silverdays2909]

@laz kar Tim forced Batman to make him Robin

[@elqi8129]

You're Jason fucking Todd, of course you're a joke you idiotic failure of a robin

[@arcadeassassin7176]

this may be an unpopular opinion but i actually like Jason Todd. i think the idea of the new robin being this angsty street urchin with a chip on his shoulder had a lot of untapped potential. its just to bad that the writers seemed to hate him as much as the readers at the time and therefore did very little to actually flesh out his character.

[@GaryMcSnail]

"I'm sorry but not sorry for bringing Avatar into every trope video." Me: *looking around for anyone who is offended*

[@ragnerschwarzmane3412]

It‘s nice. By watching her vids i now know the entire plot :D Thats a lot of saved life time.

[@1krani]

I am. Avatar is overrated. The resolution with Ozai is a complete cop-out to the moral dilemma they'd built up, for one. It's a good show, but it's treated like this masterpiece of flawless long-term writing by everyone.

[@matthewmuir8884]

I have no problem with her bringing Avatar: The Last Airbender into every trope video. But it would be nice to see her also include Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood more often; that show's also fantastic and it does a lot of different tropes really well.

[@Krahazik]

I just need a convient place to stream it

[@BambiB07]

@@1krani because it is. ATLA is as close as a literary masterpiece a kid's show can get.

[@adambebb99]

I never noticed that Yue's eyes keep their color when everything else is black and white, thats so cool. ...I need to watch avatar again

[@peterb8904]

We all need to watch Avatar again

[@maddie9602]

I didn't notice it with my first run-through as a kid, but I did pick up on it when I rewatched the series as an adult. It's a striking stylistic choice. That whole black-and-white section was really well-done. Oh, and the camera switching between sweeping wide-angle shots and close-ups on the fighters, plus the slow, deliberate action and that soulful music in Zuko and Azula's Agni Kai was also really great, and I think a large part of why the fight feels more epic and climactic than the actual ostensible climax in Aang's fight with Ozai (although personal stakes don't hurt -- Zuko and Azula's broken relationship finally coming to an inevitable head, as Zuko learns to let go of his past and his abusive family, versus the protagonist having to face off against some dick with whom he has no real connection because the plot says he has to). Also, the desperation of the final fight in Book Two, Katara's hopeful face as Aang emerges into the Avatar State, the electrifying gut-punch of Azula's deadly strike, Katara's hope turning to shock and despair, and the final shot of Team Avatar, ragged, battered, and on the run, really hammering home the unmitigated catastrophe that just transpired. Avatar is so good you guys.

[@jackmurray411]

I rewatched it because of Red a few weeks ago, now I’m watching it with my younger brother for his first time :)

[@josephujoostaa4462]

Im watching it actually! Its awesome.

[@adambebb99]

@@josephujoostaa4462 where are you up to?

[@ChoralAlchemist]

Re: the depression bit. Thank you for addressing the reality of depression and how we face so much “oh just pull yourself up” talk. Those of us with functioning depression often actually look like Frodo in your LotR example, we just keep going even though all we want to do is crawl back in to bed. We aren’t okay, but we’re not going to tell anyone because we can’t handle hearing the “it’ll get better” talk one more time.

[@SparksArtandCosplay]

Oh boy that’s y I didn’t tell my parents until my brother basically outed my depression to the hole family

[@lloydnicholls1439]

I've always tried to be optimistic and look on the bright side and just love life and be happy no matter what. But from about 2014 to 2020 I was in a really dark place. I hated myself and couldn't find a reason to get out of bed each day. Every day was worse than the one before. I tried to be happy, have that positive attitude and smile through, but it just didn't work. It was only after my boss who had spent every day of my life trying to get me fired decided to quit (a nervous breakdown ironically) in 2020 did I actually realise that he was the cause of my misery. It turns out I wasn't actually terrible at my job, and I wasn't completely worthless and a failure at life. At some point I realized I was happy. It was so easy to be happy. It didn't take any effort and I didn't have to force it. It was then that I realized that sometimes things are bad. Sometimes things are just awful and it's not your fault and it's not your attitude that's the problem. Sometimes things are bad and it sucks. You are not the problem and it isn't fair. Sometimes there are toxic awful people in your life and it is wrong and you don't have to like it and you don't deserve to live like that and you don't have to accept it.

[@erinalvena8404]

Mom:* sees avatar on the tv* Didnt you just finish this yesterday? Me: Yeah, but Red told me to watch it again

[@Sapphire_Dicson_Official]

One can never watch Avatar too many times!

[@Quintusblake]

Your mom: Who the fuck is red?

[@proxy90909]

@@saesaesaemi Go watch it

[@jackmakila3776]

@@saesaesaemi u should watch it

[@Danielsworlds]

I bought the blu-ray just a few months ago

[@nicholasharvey4393]

When the friggin discord bot tells you about this before KZbin bothers to do so

[@7211_]

Nicholas Harvey just wanted to let you know your profile picture is great

[@copper803]

@@7211_ it's a bi club right?

[@kyara7032]

Ace of spades

[@silverstar4505]

Wait there's a discord Can I get an invite

[@arucane8635]

Kyara emphasis on ace

[@leiakasta7602]

“I hear Agents of Shield makes this complicated” is a complete understatement.

[@Attaxalotl]

Agents of Shield makes everything complicated. And I didn't even watch the show!

[@LordSusaga]

Nah, Coulson dying is quite simple. It's how he still has a show that's complicated.

[@DavidbarZeus1]

@@LordSusaga It's not THAT complicated. SHIELD found a dead Kree and discovered that their blood has regenerative properties, so they used the Kree blood to bring him back. The problem is that if you're not an Inhuman (transformed or not,) it drives you insane trying to find a Kree city.

[@LordSusaga]

@@DavidbarZeus1 How the hell do you consider "resurrected using a dead Kree's blood but also mind wiped to temporarily remove the psychosis that pulls them to a Kree temple and they told him he was only dead for seconds so he wouldn't go insane" not complicated?

[@DavidbarZeus1]

@@LordSusaga How he's brought back isn't complicated, the circumstances surrounding the resurrection are complicated and plot related

[@kaleidoslug7777]

Red don't you dare apologize for shoving Avatar everywhere you can

[@beccag2758]

Hello did someone say Avatar?💦🌏🔥🌪

[@SovereignwindVODs]

@@beccag2758 Okay, i'm gonna try to decode your emoji's. You are...jizzing on the earth while it has a flaming fart?

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I mean . . . a year ago I wouldn't have minded a spoiler warning. . . . I'm fine now. It's okay. Not bitter at all.

[@beccag2758]

Sovereignwind no I am going to evaporate all of earths water via fire storm, turning our planet into a dry, windy imitation of Mars

[@Bobberation]

"Ugh, this is running a little long...." *No no it's fine keep going no reason to stop early*

[@dracosol4415]

“But we can’t stay in the darkest hour forever” Neon Genesis Evangelion fans: *laughing and crying in a distance*

[@redcitadel9123]

Someone said it!! I was trying to place when shinji's 'darkest hour' was (the whole Toji thing, the after kaworu dies, after misato dies/ everything else happens in EofE etc ect) but no . It's all darkest hour. Which seems fitting for a show about depression and trauma.

[@Attaxalotl]

WH40K

[@indigo7289]

The whole show is the darkest hour but the darkest hour of all is definitely after kaworu’s death. By then, all the relationships that were built throughout the series were completely destroyed. Shinji straight up had no one, which led to the infamous hospital scene, that was really the lowest point.

[@kashiichan]

Good news, everybody! This year's newest Rebuild movie finally ends the ongoing darkest hour and sets us all free!

[@justnoob8141]

Space Runaway Ideon: *Slowly slide in with evil grin*

[@Sovreign071]

I think Zootopia's Darkest Hour was very well done: Practical: The villain's plan, and Judy's poorly chosen wording, doesn't make everyone racist. Instead, it makes it socially acceptable to be openly bigoted and discriminatory, which suits some people just fine. The solution is found by Judy, who's overly analytical mindset had not heard (or previously dismissed) the colloquial for a plant she was actually quite familiar with (see Weasel chase). Emotional: Judy blames herself for "breaking the city," a claim refuted by Chief Mbogo. Between that guilt, and her own self loathing over realizing that she herself is somewhat prejudiced, is what drives her to resign. Even after finding the last piece (Night Howlers=Flower), she still has to change her view by acknowledging her prejudices in her apology to Nick, exemplified be her speech at the end, the tl;dr version of which boils down to "we aren't perfect, but we have to try anyway, because it's better than giving up."

[@vazak11]

Thanks for putting this into words!

[@TheRezro]

She didn't said it is poor, only that it is complicated due to subtext.

[@prettycoolguy3206]

"we can't stay in the darkest hour forever" Warhammer 40k would like a word with you

[@ChapterMasterDandy]

The planet Broke before it's defenders did

[@captiantitus6510]

Robute Guilliman would disagree

[@AGrumpyPanda]

One could argue that the Horus Heresy was the darkest hour, and the ten thousand years afterwards was just the Imperium taking way too long to die. Or if you're the Eldar it was the Fall.

[@prettycoolguy3206]

@@captiantitus6510 It literally took 10000 years and a Primarch coming from the dead with the aid of suped up Eldar and our super special boi Belly Cawl for the status quo to change. But yes, things are changing in 40k and its been interesting so far.

[@prettycoolguy3206]

@@AGrumpyPanda The darkest hour started with the Horus Heresy, but unlike other fun stories where things get better things kinda just got a little bit worse, day by day.

[@eclipserepeater2466]

Writer: *smiling* "You cannot kill me in a way that matters." This is very good.

[@maxentirunos]

... Yes I can, by making a full critic of your story popular enough to eclipse and dissuade anyone to buy your story, making you miserable and unable to have your writing reach other people anymore.

[@ladyfirefighter222]

@@maxentirunos But what about using a new name or another pseudonym?

[@maxentirunos]

@@ladyfirefighter222 Unless you are very rich before beginning to write, the amount of time lost and money lost while writing the first story will kinda make sure you are UNABLE to write another, at least if you want to survive

[@97Multiphantom]

Tell me the name of god, you fungal piece of shit!

[@d1g1beastpr1me7]

@@97Multiphantom *KHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORNE*

[@dezarla]

OSP: -Talks about Avatar- Me: "I should watch Avatar again sometime." OSP: "Go watch Avatar." Me: "Well alrighty then."

[@CJM-uq2gv]

Red: darkest hour Britain: * Churchill noises*

[@ReddwarfIV]

Ooooh yes!

[@barleysixseventwo6665]

A Nation’s Darkest Hour, often lacks much light. But for The Island of Japan, I heard was quite bright!

[@birdsocks9083]

Barley Sixseventwo oh no.

[@gunarsmiezis9321]

IMO the all time darkes hour of the english is about early 2000s.

[@celston51]

"We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."- Winston Churchill's speech in the House of Commons, May 13, 1940.

[@timothyissler3815]

Just a thought about Thor in Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame: he realized he should save people in Ragnarok, so in Infinity War, he wants to save the population of the universe. When he fails, he sinks into depression into Endgame, being unable to bring the people back. It's actually a kinda consistent arc that ways.

[@akhasshativeritsol1950]

Not unrealistic, but extremely un-cathartic...

[@giarnovanzeijl399]

True. He had the great character arc and managed to save his people and then his people died anyways. Yeah that'll put you in a lump.

[@Danmarinja]

I mean Thor’s goal in Infinity War is to get a new eye and weapon, when in Ragnarok he was learning to come to terms with losing them. I mean, it makes no sense that he went from ‘God of Thunder not hammers’ to ‘God of Thunder now thank to his sweet new axe’

[@im_tired1439]

Timothy Issler, and then we get to see him yell at a Fornite player. 😂

[@sineadthomas2024]

Just played for comedy, in an awful way, and the least fun possible option that could have happened

[@gabrielnozea6156]

“You can’t kill me in a way that matters”

[@hopeiswherethehomeis9606]

Why are you quoting tumblr posts?

[@incognitoburrito6020]

Because the video did, and it's a good quote

[@rougestarlight4308]

@@hopeiswherethehomeis9606 why not?

[@arionerron4273]

@@hopeiswherethehomeis9606 I like your shoelaces! *Dodges tomato*

[@roberthultgren9389]

How can you kill an author that's already dead.

[@duchi882]

*Trope Talk:* Darkest Hours *The Mist (Film):* The Darkest Hours? You mean the entirety of the movie?

[@prielknaaphofnar.9754]

The ending on that movie. It hurts even more when you realise those crazy shop people survived everything.

[@adamkaris]

Hadrianus Stage I like to pretend that they didn’t. Gives me a little happiness

[@mslightbulb]

adamkaris they all are freaking dead to me, the building collapsed beca that giant monster just happened to stomp on it.

[@prielknaaphofnar.9754]

@@mslightbulb You know who had it the worst? That one guy that so happened to work for the military. Taught me to keep my mouth shut.

[@darthlazurus4382]

Also, that woman who left at the start and shamed everyone for nor coming with and helping her? You see her in the military convey with her children

[@Sam_596]

Red, thank you for addressing the depression thing. It's supremely disappointing when somebody thinks depression is like a mood that can be changed.

[@lloydnicholls1439]

I've always tried to be optimistic and look on the bright side and just love life and be happy no matter what. But from about 2014 to 2020 I was in a really dark place. I hated myself and couldn't find a reason to get out of bed each day. Every day was worse than the one before. I tried to be happy, have that positive attitude and smile through, but it just didn't work. It was only after my boss who had spent every day of my life trying to get me fired decided to quit (a nervous breakdown ironically) in 2020 did I actually realise that he was the cause of my misery. It turns out I wasn't actually terrible at my job, and I wasn't completely worthless and a failure at life. At some point I realized I was happy. It was so easy to be happy. It didn't take any effort and I didn't have to force it. It was then that I realized that sometimes things are bad. Sometimes things are just awful and it's not your fault and it's not your attitude that's the problem. Sometimes things are bad and it sucks. You are not the problem and it isn't fair. Sometimes there are toxic awful people in your life and it is wrong and you don't have to like it and you don't deserve to live like that and you don't have to accept it.

[@androtherion]

"a protagonist should never feel like a sandbag" *Sinji starts crying again*

[@birdsocks9083]

RIP shinji.

[@acehealer4212]

Ah, yes, my favorite narrative sandbag, Shinji Ikari.

[@ChiotVulgaire]

*GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT, SHINJI!*

[@adrianmcbride1666]

@Hans Hanzo I may be misinterpreting what you are saying, but I wouldn't call Sansa a sandbag back at the beginning. Sure she was being tossed into unfortunate situations but she showed skill in diplomacy and manipulation which she in turn used to better (or at the very least, slow the worsening) of her predicament. She was more proactive than you seem to be giving her credit for, just not in a very obvious manner.

[@dohickey7184]

@Tin Watchman Fucking thank you. It's so rare to see somebody who isn't ragging in Shinji for daring to not want to seriously risk his life on a regular to save people who don't really give a shit about him and keep ignoring his problems. Not to mention he's only like 13, has the worst father in all of anime, and is emotionally abused constantly

[@RichMitch]

"We can't stay in the darkest hour forever"... about an hour u know

[@scumbaggaming9418]

*Warhammer 40k would like to know your location*

[@just_xanny2777]

Berserk has been in its darkest hour for 15 fucking years

[@angeldutchess2996]

Unless you're George RR Martin

[@VidelxSpopovich]

Every minute of Shirou Emiya's life is a darkest hour.

[@just_xanny2777]

@Chuldo because Shirou is the fucking worst, he's literally just a worse written Kitsurugu

[@cinnamon_berry7413]

"Go watch it. Do it! Even if you're already watched it!" Ah sweet! An excuse to watch it again! Thanks a million :D

[@bendystrawz2832]

Friendly reminder to get your annual (or monthly, who am I to judge) dose of Avatar.

[@longliveplanetawesome3223]

When she started mentioning Disney, I was hoping she would mention Treasure Planet or Hunchback of Notre Dame. Follo's darkest hour (right before he dies) is very well written and drawn. The scene where the gargoyle comes to life is a really powerful moment when Follo realizes he is not without sin (since gargoyles are suppose to thwart off evil). Disney may follow a formula, but they follow it well.

[@adrianmcbride1666]

I love that scene because it symbolically singles him out as the evil in Paris (as it ignores Esmeralda and Quasimodo who he pins as evil for the circumstances of their birth).

[@maddie9602]

"The Lord shall strike down the wicked and cast them into the fiery pit!" Gargoyle: Yes, yes he shall

[@rhondahoward8025]

@@maddie9602 God: Oh! That's my cue!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@adrianmcbride1666 which part was the Darkest Hour again in Treasure Planet?

[@longliveplanetawesome3223]

CheesecakeLasagna When Jim overhears the cyborg, John Silver, talk to the rest of the crew, saying he doesn't care for the the boy. The cyborg and Jim had a father/son relationship, and Jim felt betrayed, even though he was warned earlier in the movie to not trust the cyborg.

[@KTChamberlain]

A.A. Milne must've really been ahead of his time with the whole depression topic, considering that Eeyore stays depressed and gloomy in the Winnie-the-Pooh stories he wrote. There's no arc to help him overcome that or resolve it, it just happens to be part of his character, whatever the reason(s). I suspect that was a commentary on Milne's peers wanting to just forget about how bad World War I was to them, whether personal or peripheral and just enjoy the Roaring 20's, whereas Milne felt he had to write something against war, which he ultimately did in 1934. I guess it was his way of saying, you may be happy and times may be good, but there will always be someone who can't just get happy like the turn of a switch.

[@phastinemoon]

Eeeehhhh... in the AA Milne books, Eeyore isn’t depressed - he’s snarky, rude, and a bit of a butt. Disney added the “gloomy” and made him the marketable face of clinical depression we know and love.

[@atlasllm]

I think I started realizing a "darkest hours" pattern because of how most of the time the darkest hour ends up being "that part where everyone hates each other". I'm sure there's more diversity in darkest hours than I'm thinking, but MAN it tends to be where everyone just hates each other

[@emotionalsupportgoblin]

it's always where the liar revealed plot happens (if that's what they're doing) and usually everyone's like 'gr' at the liar sometimes works, usually it's dumb

[@Laura-lv1ke]

"I'd apologize for putting Avatar into every single trope talk, but I'm not sorry." Mood.

[@hornetsilksong]

I don't blame her, Avatar does a lot of tropes amazingly

[@mennograafmans1595]

@@hornetsilksong The only mayor trope it doesn't do amazingly well is the Dark Lord. Ozai is pretty standard compared to Azula. His grandfather had a goal to which the war was a means, he wanted to spread the technological advancement of the firenation. Ozai just want's to conquer. Apart from that, Avatar handles tropes Very Well.

[@royalflush5228]

@@mennograafmans1595 but he is intimidating and has great impact on all characters, he is like sauron

[@TrialByDance]

It's official: Red's taken over the library

[@merrittanimation7721]

Hopefully she gets around to finally pushing the shelves to the wall.

[@whoknows7968]

Blue was evicted.

[@OmegaX9]

And I’m OK with that.

[@rbl4112]

Merritt Animation but she needs to get back to that hero world!

[@version_dew]

No wonder why blue is standing in the last video.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

Problem: Someone has been diagnosed with depression Solution: "A nice walk in the park always makes me feel better!" Incorrect: "The breeze in my hair and the freedom of the air feels so invigorating!" Correct: "Vitamin D may be one of the chemicals that you lack, and exposure to sunlight helps this production..." Correct (Continued): "...among other things."

[@aiiiia9971]

This why I hate depression It doesn't have to make sense it just is. Get that vitamin D tho, can't hurt.

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

@@aiiiia9971 There is a video that has a possible explanation as to why depression happens, though I don't remember the reasons itself. The title of the video is "What's the point of Depression?" in case if you were interested.

[@aiiiia9971]

@@palecaptainwolfkayls8499 Thank you! I am very interested!

[@DouglasHanson779665]

As someone with depression, this to the power of tree(3).Vitamin D can't hurt you when obtained this way, movement is good for mental health due to releasing endorphines, which, along with Vitamin D, is good for the chemical inbalance depression causes, and helps along the broken seratonin machine. Just frame it as a chemical help if trying to encourage someone with depression to exersise.

[@lozm4835]

@@aiiiia9971 Having recently finished a psychology degree, 'doesn't have to make sense' is very much true. Depression can be 'something bad happened recently and I'm not producing neurotransmitters in the short term', but it can also be the result of internalised negative cognitive patterns that cause the person to be in a constant state of low production. Or perhaps your brain just produces less by default. Sometimes it comes as a result of having too much dopamine or serotonin over a short period of time and your brain is no longer accepting it for a while to bring you back down to your own average, which due to how homeostasis patterns work, often causes levels to dip for a while. It's 'acute' depression vs 'chronic' depression - what this video talks about and what is more usually recognised is 'chronic' depression. Chronic lasts longer and is pervasive and often has different (typically internalised) cause, so whilst acute depression is no less valid, what helps with it is usually wildly different. Going for a nice walk in the park can be very effective at treating acute depression when somebody has been having identical patterns of stimuli for the past week and their serotonin has dipped as a consequence. Once they get new stimuli, especially positive ones, that breaks that pattern of stimuli and helps restore them. But it does jack all for someone else who's become stuck in the mental cycle known as the 'negative triad' because a nice walk in the park doesn't do anything to that.

[@glanni]

I'm legit about to tear up. I feel so guilty for being tired of life all the time that I don't even feel like I deserve to be happy unless I fix myself by solving an invisible problem that I feel is right in front of me but I can't touch it. And that makes me even more hopeless. Thank you. It's so comforting to hear that I'm not alone and fully at fault for feeling jaded, and to realize that movies totally controlled my brain in that regard. That alone makes me more chill about being me.

[@cinthiagoch]

You decribed exactly how I felt when I had depression. I felt that guilt and hopelessness for almost a decade before I got professional help. It can be a slow process, but therapy and medication help a lot more than trying to will yourself out of it. Don't listen to those who say otherwise and make you feel worse, they don't know how you truely feel if they're saying it's easy. I hope you find the help you need. Nobody diserves to feel like that. If you need external help to feel comfortable in your own skin, don't be afraid to ask or to seek that help. There are people out there who endured years of hard work and study just to help you, and they'll do it gladly, even if don't believe it now. Go find them. =)

[@Sorain1]

Yeah that's kind of the problem. Depression isn't a personal problem to grow out of, it's a literal dysfunction of your brain that needs fixing. Identifying that difference isn't easy. To quote an old prayer 'let me accept what I can't change, change what I can, and know the difference between them.'

[@arionerron4273]

Malfunctioning brains are a pain in the ass.

[@KennyBye]

you put this into words better than i ever could have

[@Glace1221]

Infinity War: Movie Goers: "lol okay, it's the darkest hour now. When is the punchline?" Infinity War: "There is no punchline."

[@sebastiansmith1223]

Endgame is one big punchline, though...

[@Torthrodhel]

That's what made it feel so special. We expected a lol darkest hour moment cop out, and didn't get one.

[@simonegreco1958]

If you see the Avengers quadrilogy as one story, Infinity War is the second part of the second act So it makes sense

[@Torthrodhel]

@@simonegreco1958 I prefer Infinity War as its own thing for precisely that reason. The formulas are stale and it's nice knowing a big famous blockbuster that subverts it for once. Endgame was fun, but it does ruin that.

[@23DEATHNUMBER]

@@Torthrodhel Endgame ruined a lot

[@mantaraywizard]

red: this is getting long me: make it l o n g e r

[@malarkeylaboratories3658]

yes

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*Villain:* _I have won this game... I am inevitable!!!_ *Magic Of Friendship:* I missed the part where that's my problem. *Villain:* _OH SUGAR HONEY ICED TEA!!!_

[@newguy7209]

Forgive me; I'm slow. All i know is that the quotes are from Endgame, Spiderman, and Madagascar but I dont see how they apply to each other.

[@emblemblade9245]

Kawon King I do believe therein lies the humor

[@newguy7209]

@@emblemblade9245 lol I actually got it. I originally thought the villain was talking to the hero but he's actually talking to the Power of Friendship-a deus ex machina trope. That's how the quotes apply to each other.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

@@newguy7209 And that implies that the Power Of Friendship must be God in His purest form.

[@taylorgabbey2371]

It's not a discussion of effective narrative pacing without Avatar: The Last Airbender

[@kelly-alec]

6:20 this really reminds me of Bojack Horseman. in the episode Free Churro, he explicitly talks about how t.v. taught him and so many other things can are not applicable to the real world. on t.v, he was taught there will always be a happy ending and that he just has to find that one thing - that spark - that will make him feel happy, permanently. for good. but he DOES apply that to his real life and disastrous consequences follow. does that make sense?? im tired man

[@aria5614]

When your family is terrible so you look to tv for how to be a person, and never learn from the people surrounding you. Bojack learning from tv isn't bad, but he clings to that way of thinking so desperately that he never looks at the people surrounding him and learns from them. Time and time again he's given a chance to be a better person, to learn from his mistakes. And he gives it up till the very end.

[@jasonreed7522]

I never watched it but i saw a meme/panel of one of the characters saying: "thats the thing, when you're wearing rose tinted glasses all the red flags just look like flags" and that is such a good line. (I probably don't have the start quite right since its been a couple years)

[@vladimirenlow4388]

@@aria5614 Guess he really was a one-trick pony after all.

[@Vinemaple]

Yes.

[@Emuney12]

Listen to what she says everyone: Go watch Avatar The Last Airbender!

[@th3officebeefalos456]

Sure, but where?

[@antigrav6004]

@@th3officebeefalos456 the blu ray collection is on amazon for cheap

[@Emuney12]

@@th3officebeefalos456 KZbin, iTunes, and Amazon Prime Video should have all the episodes for streaming.

[@whalesharko4465]

@@th3officebeefalos456 it's on Netflix now!

[@beccag2758]

Whale Sharko WAIT WAIT WHAT???? Edit: the animated series isn't on Netflix?? You didn't mean the live action remake coming soon?

[@Nightingale0666]

I would like to thank you for discussing how Depression is different from regular problems/story problems

[@faultier1158]

The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson does that pretty well. One of the protagonists suffers from depression, and he's wondering why he's often so depressed despite having won and things going well again (they canonically don't know what depression is).

[@stevemcgroob4446]

@@faultier1158 Does he ever get better?

[@faultier1158]

@@stevemcgroob4446 Well, his situation improves a lot and he becomes happier, but he still has depressive episodes from time to time. That's just part of his life.

[@garrettrasmussen6894]

Hey, OSP, I just wanted to say that I've been really enjoying going through a lot of your videos lately. As someone whose brain-chemicals machine doesn't work normally, the part about depression being addressed like a fictional darkest hour really hit home in a good way. You guys always do really good research and you did it again. I may have cried a little as I listened to Red talk about depression not being a character failure for the fifth time but I promise it was a good cry. Thank you so much.

[@remixdragon6156]

The whole thing with Thor in endgame makes sense because he fought and got out of darkest hour only to have what he fought for to imitllally just get destroyed in the first few minutes of the next movie.

[@grantbaugh2773]

I agree with you, but I can see where other people come from with this complaint. He goes from being epic and basically unstoppable to a pathetic slob. Not only that, but in Endgame he never gets back to that same epic level. Sure, he does cool stuff in the final battle, but it gets overshadowed by the even cooler moments from Cap and Iron Man.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@grantbaugh2773 Honestly even Thor3 did knock down Thor's development and way of speaking etc pretty bad even to start because Taika wanted more blase wittiness.

[@normalgamergal]

You can't fix personal flaws with yourself, you just keep fighting them over and over, sometimes coming out on top, other times not. That's why I actually find Thor's arcs fascinating. He may be the most relatable of all the MCU heros to me. I loved the way they approached his depression in Endgame, as well.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@normalgamergal "You can't fix personal flaws with yourself, you just keep fighting them over and over, " Buzz off Rian Johnson. Just because daddy promised he'd quit drinking and hitting you and went right back to the bottle doesn't mean that's the case for everyone, or that it's how it should be done for stories.

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

@@DIEGhostfish Piss off Ghostfish

[@stormrunner1177]

Speaking of “darkest hours,” would Red’s conquest of Blue’s office study and his banishment to Red’s empty dimension be considered one?

[@aajjeee]

of course not, red is the good person

[@stanislawwitkowicz918]

Maybe it's Blue's conquest of Red's Empty Dimension?

[@totallycrazystudios1801]

Whqt vid is this from this? I want to see that.

[@heroofthewinds7765]

Probably my favorite non-climax darkest hour comes from the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. So, you've just cleared the 3rd dungeon and Link and Midna have restored the light spirits and dispelled the darkness that's threatening to swallow Hyrule, right? Nope! The main villian comes in, steals the artifacts our heroes were planning to use to beat him, turns Link into a wolf and critically injures Midna. So yeah, things are pretty hopless and the music, my god the music for this scene is beautifully on point.

[@JoeyfilmingTv]

Berserk is literally just a never ending darkest hour. It's the small victories that keep us fans going.

[@minatodroger7890]

And when we say small we mean small. The man just healed casca but she cant go near him again I mean damn kentaro just put a gun to our head.

[@PurgatoryOnEarth]

Was being rescued by Skull Knight at the end of the eclipse a zero agency protagonist for guts?

[@kalmahcarl]

@@PurgatoryOnEarth I wouldn't say so, necessarily. While the Eclipse certainly was the most horrifying thing that happened to Guts I'd honestly consider what comes after to be his darkest hour; he more or less loses himself to revenge and leaves behind everything he cares about until he's confronted with the prospect of losing Casca forever. He drags himself out of that situation and resolves to put his love of Casca ahead of his quest for revenge and allows himself to slowly open up again to a new group of allies.

[@maximilianobartomucci6044]

The never ending darkest hours never discouraged me. But man, the never ending hiatuses, those surely ended up killing all my interest. I'll be back when (if) Miura finishes it, but there's no way I'm spending another decade waiting for some actual plot development to happen.

[@mattaffenit9898]

Griffith got bitch slapped. Perfection.

[@benjamingrissom1828]

When Avdol is gone, Iggy is dying, and Polnareff has accepted his defeat at the hands of Vanilla Ice

[@TheLordCypher1st]

Killer Queen daisan no bakudan. BITES ZA DUSTO!

[@thirdkidney2223]

When Cezar died,Lisa Lisa got knocked off and Ultimate Kars jumps out of volcano making Joseph's hammon useless,that last overdrive kick screaming "That's it,I have no idea anymore,this is the end,bye..." I actually cried because I though that Joseph will die same as Jonathan in part 1 because of destiny

[@nasserfirelordarts6574]

Kono Dio da!!!!! Wrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@t111ran3]

When Johnny had to sell the remaining parts to the last of eleven men.

[@Chaospirex]

Nasser FireLord Arts dio is not even mentioned here mate

[@sarahphobia]

One thing I love about spiderman: homecoming is that everything is framed to be just as intense as any other superhero movie. Even though the stakes are so much lower, it doesn't feel that way and it really pushes home the fact that Peter has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Since becoming spiderman the worlds begun pressing in on all sides and we can really feel it during the darkest hours (losing the suit, vulture reveal, ect.). I just really love it

[@ANTICENA571]

“Your brain seized the means of dopamine production” So depression is basically a Communist plot? *Soviet national anthem intensifies*

[@stormrunner1177]

Please comrade Stalin, return the people’s dopamine

[@merrittanimation7721]

So what is Bipolar Disorder? Social Democracy?

[@gufosufo337]

@@merrittanimation7721 constituonal monarchy

[@HappyMexicano]

"Your" brain? You mean "OUR" brain, Komrade! *SOVIET ANTHEM KRANKS TO 11*

[@jeremiahbooth423]

SOYUZ NIRUSHIMY RESPUBLIC SVOBODNYKH

[@daniellambertneu9448]

"this is getting a little long" Has literally published 30 mins long Trope talks

[@totallycrazystudios1801]

I like those

[@BlackCover95]

Um…I just looked it up. No episode as of yet goes past 25 minutes.

[@privpi]

"You can't kill me in a way that matters" is a quote I need to remember

[@Danc929]

The firebender's fire also stays colored when the moon spirit dies, probably because they're still just as powerful without it

[@zidaryn]

And also to give contrast and spook factor as well.

[@falconturtlehybrid1739]

I always forget that Red is a math major. I was so happy to see a mention of continuous curves (even if only for a few frames)!

[@pinkcupcake4717]

I kind of mapped my depression to a darkest hour, which inspired a character change of "I am actually going to get therapy", and after months of training and character journeying, I got to a level of catharsis where the monster in my head was back in shackles and out of power where it belonged. Kind of a mental framing for "darkest hour as origin story" thing.

[@gigabyte2248]

This reminded me far too much of my PhD. Year 2 in particular, with a practical problem when I lost the equipment I needed and an emotional problem when I came down with depression. And because this is reality and not a story, I solved the practical problem, got data, wrote a thesis and graduated but the emotional problem didn't fix itself. Fixing the emotional problem appears to be the premise of the sequel.

[@silverseergriclav]

"Seize the means of dopamine production" Red: the most unlikely breadtuber

[@tortture3519]

Literally named red. Is it really that unlikely?

[@williampym3741]

@@tortture3519 Also literally appeared in Olly Thorn's Shakespeare stream.

[@TyphinHoofbun]

I kind of worry that I made a "darkest hour" that was a bit of a cop-out, because I had a character have an emotional breakdown because I needed her to address the building self-doubt she's been trying to denial her way through. For most of the people that told me what they thought, they felt it was pretty natural, and they saw the foreshadowing (or at least some of it), and felt okay with it. I wasn't really intending it as a "Darkest Hour" moment, just a sort of breakdown that forces her to confront a lot of feelings she's been running away from or burying, so that her partner can basically talk to her about it. My goal was really to stress the importance of communication, in being able to talk to someone you trust about how you're feeling instead of just making assumptions about how the other person feels. (And it's very much based on me doing that exact thing and beating myself up over it. All my main characters are me, because I'm a talentless hack that writes self-insert escapist fantasies, sue me.) I have another story that is definitely going to have a "Darkest Hour" that's more planned to be that, where the superhero kills her villain along with a few other emotional gut-punches thrown in for good measure. It's going to mess her up pretty badly for quite a while, and even after she "recovers", she'll have lasting trauma because of it, because it's really hard for her to *actually* forgive herself for what she perceives as a failure. The tricky part is, the timing of it is somewhere between "bittersweet victory" and "Phyrric victory", since it'll be the defeat of the villain, but at the cost of everything she is, in her eyes. I just hope I'm able to do a good job of it when I get to that point...

[@malaineeward5249]

Me: *has her first therapy session in 2 years next week* OSP: *releases "the darkest hour* Me: Me: Yup, my life is a fictional narrative.

[@BlackCover95]

What’s the plot?!

[@kidplusgamingkpg8203]

What is the villain

[@rafaelantoniozentenoguzman3909]

What is the hero

[@malaineeward5249]

@@kidplusgamingkpg8203 no villain... Yet... Just ALL the manufactured drama LOL, jk on to the next chapter!

[@garrettrasmussen6894]

Hey! I hope your therapy is going/ has gone well! I know it's a few months past but...

[@zollbug]

The Darkest Hour sounds like a Batman movie

[@bulletgrazer2184]

It would make a great title of a Batman event comic, like maybe the Bat family is put out of action by a new threat and he's lost everything. But still fights on because he's the goddamned Batman.

[@sebastienvondoom8615]

Well, there's Batman: The Darkest Knight, a one shot Elseworld's story where... He becomes a Green Lantern and kicks a lot of ass, nevermind. But the biggest actual darkest hour in Batman comics probably comes from Knightfall after Bane breaks Batman's back.

[@OmegaX9]

Elesh Lee I’d argue anything in the Dark Multiverse might be worse, because Batman usually doesn’t recover from those. Hell, they just did a Dark Knightfall story, which is a little effed up. Also a Darkest Knight version where Kid Bruce gets the ring and breaks it so he can kill people.

[@sebastienvondoom8615]

@@OmegaX9 I haven't gotten the chance to read Dark Knights Metal yet but I hear its really fucking good and I can't wait.

[@Kolokommouna]

It is a video game

[@mantis-manthegreat]

A personal favorite darkest moment: Johnny dying and Dally being to grief-stricken he basically has a psychotic break which gets him killed too. And thats the ending. The closest thing to a resolution is Ponyboy writing the book himself at the end, as an English project.

[@wren_.]

i read this book in 7th grade and when we got to the part where johnny died half the class almost started crying. The other half was talking about how hot soda pop was in the movie

[@Vinemaple]

If you weren't forced to read _The Outsiders_ by S. E. Hinton in school, you should give it a try. Even if you were, I recommend givnig ait a second look, as an adult, at your own pace. And maybe thinking about how things hit you differently now.

[@prettycoolguy3206]

Whenever someone mentions Avatar: The Last Airbender I can hear Hello Future Me squeal faintly in the distance.

[@darkflame728]

I was thinking that throughout the Avatar example. 😆

[@tariqthomas9090]

Same. Avatar: The Last Airbender is just such a good example for most of the trope talks.

[@HelloFutureMe]

SQEEEEEEE

[@darkflame728]

@@HelloFutureMe He's been summoned.

[@Al_N_Infer]

@@HelloFutureMe did you just... Are you for real?

[@ASquared544]

Red: "Go watch Avatar" Me: BOY NETFLIX, I'D SURE LOOOVE TO DO THAT! SAY, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA RELEASE THAT SHOW FOR THE US!?

[@eclipserepeater2466]

Cue the VPN sponsorship... :)

[@gracekim1998]

ASquared it’s on NETFLIX right now

[@ASquared544]

@@gracekim1998 Not in the US!

[@sleepycritical6950]

Netflix of the future: *Releases the last airbender

[@matchalatte9612]

This aged REALLY well

[@beammeupscott3032]

“You can’t be too mean to your audience” - I’m looking at you Brandon Sanderson! Words of radiance will traumatize me for life

[@daisyphinney1038]

Bryan Davis, he likes torturing and being a bully to his characters.

[@caroline8590]

Heck yes! A fellow Brandon Sanderson fan!

[@beammeupscott3032]

@@caroline8590 no spoilers but i seriously cant even read that one book with the one death anymore since its just too good of a death lol

[@caroline8590]

@@beammeupscott3032 yeah, I think I know the one

[@ViralwingX]

@@beammeupscott3032 What's the book or series of books?

[@AnarchHive]

Norse Mythology: **darkest hour** **Ragnarök** **all the gods are dead** Balder: GUESS WHO'S BACK - IT'S YA BOY!

[@merrittanimation7721]

Hodr: SERIOUSLY WHAT THE HEL IS GOING ON?

[@lovesoderpalm1555]

Ö

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

everyone in Ragnarok: *dies* Baldr: 🎶 we're groovin 🎶

[@lewisirwin5363]

Surtr: And NOOOWWWW, EVERYTHING WILL *DIIIEEEE!!!!!*

[@jaojao1768]

Trope Talk: Lost Civilisations

[@merrittanimation7721]

She's already got parts one and two even.

[@jaojao1768]

@@merrittanimation7721 wait what?

[@marinamoraes6174]

@@jaojao1768 See the videos on Atlantis and El Dorado

[@jaojao1768]

@@marinamoraes6174 sure but those are specific examples of lost civilisations, not really about the concept in fiction

[@stevemcgroob4446]

@@jaojao1768 I don't know about that. They both seem to cover all the bases.

[@hyperion3145]

“Dad of Boy” should’ve been the name of the game

[@cjr4908]

Me: homework due in an hour, barely started it Red: uploads a Darkest Hour trope talk Hm...

[@avocadokin]

Did you finish your homework? Also good luck with it if you haven't

[@charlieterry8506]

same, but let us rest well and not let this be our darkest hour

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black."_ *- Unknown*

[@captainbirch9835]

The night is darkest before the dawn

[@inkandesk]

It's always colder once the sun rises

[@Sarcasmitron]

Is that unknown,I thought it was from Chairman Mao.

[@rbl4112]

Uh... no?

[@martijnvanweele6204]

@@captainbirch9835 It literally isn't. I've never seen a dawn not preceded by light peeking over the horizon and the sky gradually turning a lighter shade of blue and then shades of purple, pink, red and orange in the east. A brief google search reveals that the proverb can be traced back to one Thomas Fuller, who was a historian and churchman in the 17th century, as well as - I must conclude - either ignorant of the actual appearance of sunrises or an idiot. Possibly both.

[@jojo-wx8kw]

"But we can't stay in the darkest hour forever." *laughs in Warhammer 40k*

[@Attaxalotl]

The *ENTIRE* plot of the second The Legend of Spyro game.

[@Doublemonk0506]

The question in Warhammer 40K is where is the brightest hour

[@he_exe]

@@Doublemonk0506 id say there are no bright hours only little sparks, like with Guillimans return or whenever a hive fleet gets temporarily halted

[@barleysixseventwo6665]

The Darkest Hour. Or as it’s known in the Comic Book Industry: The 90s!

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Nah. Comic industry today is far worse. Especially Marvel and their SJW pig slop.

[@absoul112]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Fairly certain the crash in the 90s was worse than what's going on now. It's also worth noting, Marvel has been leaning that way for decades.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@laz kar but at least even with Bat bias DC tries to be good. You don't see them making established main line characters gay out of the blue for no reason or race changing for the sake of diversity.

[@niallblack2794]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Who do you think Marvel made gay or changed the race of? Also, considering there's actually a fair amount of sexual and racial diversity in the comics from characters that are unlikely to get either much screen time or aren't in the movie version of a team I think it's fair to transplant some of the diversity from the characters that have it but might not appear onto those that are appearing. But yeah, who do you think they've made 'gay' who wasn't? And I swear if you say Valkyre haha

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

@@niallblack2794 Let's see they made Ice Man one of the biggest pussy hounds in X-Men history gay out of the blue with zero explanation. Captain Marvel has been gender and race changed multiple times throughout the character's history They treated Thor's name like a title for years until Jane Foster took up the mantle of Valkyrie. Let's see and then there was replacing Bruce Banner with Amadeous Cho who didn't need to be turned into a Hulk to be bad ass. The current Hawkeye has been a female for years instead of having a separate unique identity created for Clint's successor. I can go on but that would waste my day. I have no problem with diversity, but don't shove it on previously created characters. Instead make new characters with their own unique Identities.

[@curiousKuro16]

6:02 is SUCH A MOOD. Even real life 'uplifting' story feels like 'one day I came to a miraculous realization and Everything Was Okay!' Without mentioning how they came to that realization or what they did to pull themselves out of their depression.

[@TF_NowWithExtraCharacters]

5:34 thank you, Red, for addressing what's essentially a HUGE blind spot in how lots of people look at the world. Not just in the case of depression, but referring to the expectation that everything will turn out fine if you work hard enough at solving it. Shounen's also a major offender in this. P.S. Just curious: have you watched Hunter X Hunter (2011)? It's another gold mine of storytelling tropes (and different ways to break them).

[@JaelinBezel]

Why did you put the year at the end?

[@TF_NowWithExtraCharacters]

@@JaelinBezel You mean for the Hunter Hunter? There's a 1999 version as well, I'm making sure which version I'm referring to

[@Vinemaple]

So is the privileged life. As in, people who ask, "Well, why can't you just make more money?"

[@eliscanfield3913]

That depression tangent is so fricking accurate. sigh. I like those memes that say "if you can't make your own neurotransmitters, store bought is fine."

[@aionicthunder]

Honestly, I think she was speaking from experience given just how true it was. Besides, the rates are too high to be fair

[@eliscanfield3913]

@@aionicthunder me too.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Kinda reminds me of Tom from 500 Days of Summer. He grew up watching rom-coms so he had such naive and unrealistic expectation on his relationship with Summer.

[@rikukh4810]

"That's cool, I'm not bitter." Well, I am.

[@o76923]

It's a deliberate choice. Thor's story is supposed to be cyclical. 1. Things are great 2. Fails due to hubris 3. Things suck 4. Learns lesson 5. Go back to 1 Every story with Thor should broadly follow that outline.

[@rikukh4810]

I was more meaning, them killing Loki. But I didn't say that. My bad.

[@o76923]

@Tin Watchman, Dear Disney+

[@Smeghead76]

@@o76923 There's already a Loki show in the lineup.

[@rikukh4810]

I didn't know about him getting he's own show at the time, can't wait to watch it.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Your Darkest Hour isn't over till "The Touch" starts playing.

[@PhoenyxRysing]

Not necessarily--maybe it's the heroic main theme, or that softer, more emotional bit in the middle of the full version of the main theme, which you hear if you sit through the credits... (I see your 'Transfomers: The Movie' and raise you one 'Transformers: Prime')

[@Shockweed]

"We can't stay in the darkest hour forever." *Laughs in Berserk*

[@antigrav6004]

I mean that did have a darkest hour, quite literally, and nothing's been as dark as *THAT* moment since

[@BlaZay]

You can't get out of a darkest hour if every hour gets even darker than the previous one. *WeSmart.gif*

[@nasserfirelordarts6574]

@@BlaZay have u read the manga brother?? It does get lighter than the eclipse... (Eventually) and I kind of hope that it is at least temporarily

[@BlaZay]

@@nasserfirelordarts6574 /!\ Spoiler warning for the Golden Age arc /!\ Well of course it gets "better". I mean, you technically can't have 95% of your cast eaten alive and the survivors traumatized for life every other chapter. I did that mostly for the memes, but you gotta admit that they never really had a stable situation and a somewhat optimistic future ahead of them after at any point after the Eclipse. It just gets less worse.

[@nasserfirelordarts6574]

@@BlaZay what you say is mostly true, up until *RECENT CHAPTERS SPOILERS* They reach elfheim... And things go better

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I've been playing Fire Emblem Three Heroes recently and I think Dimitri's entire arc directly after the time skip exemplifies the "Darkest Hour". Everything's been taken away from him at this point. He's lost almost all his family, his kingdom, and his morality. He's being entirely driven by revenge because of the terrible actions of one girl he really cared about. This allows his darkest hour to simultaneously function both as the plot darkest hour and the emotional darkest hour. And unlike in movies, this darkest hour lasts a long time over multiple levels so your really feel the impact. I really hurt me to see Dimitri in this darkest hour for so long but the but the beauty of this is seeing him regain himself and fighting to overcoming this tragic low point. It truly was satisfying to fight so long for Dimitri's humanity and to rewarded with said humanity in his moment of emotional triumph.

[@invaderzam]

I love that this was also reflected in the gameplay. Until Dimitry can pull himself out of his dark place and murderhobo phase, you cannot advance ANY of his support ranks. Its actually kinda jarring seeing edge-lord Dimitry in the support cutscenes, seeing him so scared but caring about something frivolous like Sylvain's womanizing and Felix's coldness. But he does acquire a kind of Zuko awkward charm because of this.

[@lifeontheledgerlines8394]

Kenobi, is that you? I found a Kenobi comment without at least 100 likes? Impossible

[@loganrenfrow2544]

Azure Moon is my favorite route for this reason

[@kaibeattie2230]

Hey, thanks for talking about depression. I often feel guilty for being depressed, and people often ask me what's causing it and sometimes attribute it to my phone. But that's not what's causing it! It's my weird brain, not me spending too much time on the internet.

[@LegianYT]

"Seize the means of Dopamine production!" *Faint Soviet music would be heard in the background*

[@YataTheFifteenth]

*_kaaaaaAAAAAAAAALIN_*

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Ah, when the villains are "winning" and the hero gets a power boost from the plot.

[@TheJaredPunch]

Just Some Guy without a Mustache all depends on what type of plot?

[@juliaklaavo9286]

Ah, how I wish Sigurd would have had that boost. But then again I love the villain too

[@TryingIGuess]

Did you just describe every major fairy tail battle?

[@Nightingale0666]

Lmao I love Fairy Tail, but that's all of the battles

[@mythology2467]

We must be a lot alike and might become good friends if we ever meet since I tend to see you FUCKING EVERYWHERE on KZbin.

[@fructosecornsyrup5759]

As one of my literary professors once said: "Whatever the problem is, put a snake around it on page two."

[@JaelinBezel]

Hugs!

[@Belodri]

"We can't stay in the darkest hour forever." - Gorge Orwell would like to have a word with you there.

[@gunarsmiezis9321]

You can stay in the darkest hour forver if you chose to but why would you.

[@whiteflagstoo]

"This video is getting kinda long..." No problem Red.

[@jhuds5011]

babe u know am now using a wifi here at palao

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

“She couldn’t be a glitch if she’s part of the branding.” What ever studio thinks when their movies bomb.

[@iout]

9:20 I can almost hear Hello Future Me from all the way on the other side of the globe applauding the repeated use of Avatar TLA in these Trope Talks.

[@abhuman802]

"Go watch it. Do it, even if you've already watched it. I'll wait."

[@LoonyTunes]

"I'd apologise for putting Avatar in every trope talk video I make except I'm not sorry, go watch it" Aye aye cap'n Red! To netflix!

[@glanni]

I LOVE THAT YOU POINT OUT THE REAL LIFE PROBLEM! Because even while watching I felt that uncomfortable creeping feeling that in reality it's not that easy.

[@sourwitch2340]

*Talks about Marvel* "Now, let's turn to Disney" I know she meant that certain type of Disney movie that I have no name for, I just thought it was funny.

[@OmegaX9]

The Princess Line? In all honesty Disney really only has those two and Star Wars (which also feel like Marvel movies), with everything else just being there. Hell, the damned mouse himself barely shows up in anything not meant for really little kids these days.

[@ThrottleKitty]

"Disney Animation" is the term you are looking for.

[@MeowyMakes]

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE TRUTH ABOUT DEPRESSION!!!!!!!

[@Sydride98]

"But that's cool I'm not bitter." *I AM. I'M SO BITTER. MY BOY DESERVED SP MUCH BETTER*