How To Fix Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

[@rorygodinez371]

The exclusion of Sirius always upset me so much because homeboy was really hiding in the mountains eating rats to be closer to Harry.

[@adinsx1000]

Also that scene in the cave halfway thru the book is just so perfect, Sirius gives us our first glimpse of the the first war really was, of what's coming in the last two books, and it completely recontextualizes the everything thats come before it.

[@suchastrangegirl36]

exactly how could they cut that out

[@selahanany5645]

@@adinsx1000 exactly. this chapter just gives the feeling that there does exist a world that isnt focused on harry, people with actual lives.

[@Big_Steve11]

Not only that, but it makes his death in Order of the Phoniex feel less impactful

[@personalinfodump2155]

I love the use of the word homeboy 🤣🤣🤣

[@Moeller750]

The movies in general were not kind to Mrs Weasley. To me, she was a role model from book one. On platform 9 3/4, she immediately sees Harry as a boy rather than a famous curiosity. She knits Harry the first loving Christmas present he has ever received. She takes him in, loves him and makes him her son before he even realizes how much he needs it. I remember thinking, even as a child, that I hope I would have that much love in me as an adult.

[@marcia6010]

Perfectly said.

[@noface____]

I’m crying 😿

[@coombeslauren]

A particular line that always sums up Molly's view of Harry to me was in the scene on the platform in Philosopher's Stone when the kids tell her that the boy they just met was Harry Potter. Instead of being excited/awestruck because of his significant past, she merely remarks rather sadly on how polite he was. She's a mother who sees a lonely eleven year old boy with no one to help him/wave him off on his first day of school. Molly is no saint, she definitely has questionable moments later down the line (for well-meaning reasons) but this definitely sums up what she is first and foremost - a mother.

[@breakingboardrooms1778]

Yes, I like Molly Kanga Weasley better than I like Molly Flanderized Weasley. I recently read a story where Mrs. Weasley is also Kanga, and while it was a hard thing to read, that is literally my favorite Molly Weasley.

[@PeachyEats]

shes not perfect, she shunned Hermione who was still a child for something she didn't do. She is consistently on Harry's side through out the books, I'll give her that.

[@delusionalunicorn5324]

Harry makes fun of Ron's old dress robe with the others in the movie. Totally opposite of the book where he empathised with Ron. It was so heart breaking and sweet. I think it's the worst change for Harry.

[@Matheus_Braz]

Yes, Harry of all people knows what it feels like being made fun of for wearing old clothes

[@exxiyya4855]

@@Matheus_Braz That's more than the truth.

[@daftbanna7202]

bUt iTs fUnNY

[@janhavi1977]

I think one of the worst changes for Harry was in the maze. In the book, he saves Cedric twice. Once from Viktor Krum who was under the Imperius curse and once from the giant spider. In the movie though, it's the other way round. Cedric saves Harry's life and when Cedric is in trouble Harry doesn't immediately go to help him. He considers taking the cup over saving Cedric. The idea that Harry would choose to win a competition over saving a friend (especially when that friend had just saved his life), is just ludricous. It's like that scene was written by someone who had zero understanding of who the character was.

Mates make fun of eachother all the time, totally normal, there's no malice intended or taken.

[@panterloart9180]

but also can we talk about how this is the book where Hermione holds a woman captive in a jar

[@nyarlathotepthecrawlingcha969]

Skeeter deserved it. Imo they should report her to whomever takes care of illegal Animagi cases

[@boy_wells9339]

@@nyarlathotepthecrawlingcha969 she should have, because skeeter went on to write a biography of dumbledore without even trying to interview his close friends and his brother

[@aniket8350]

It was well deserved

[@inaki2326]

She’s actually hatable but more like annoying unlike umbridge who is just blood boiling hatred

[@blkbarbie2671]

I remember how much I wanted them to kill the bug lmao I must have been a scary child

[@Haedox]

Loved the specific example of Cedric and Harry at the end of the maze. Goddamn. I was hoping the movie would add their final interaction.

[@janhavi1977]

I love that interaction too. It really showed Harry and Cedric's friendship.

[@36moshpit7]

Friendship is pushing it; they were rivals who had helped each other out and respected each other. They could've become friends later on, if Cedric had lived.

[@brandonwei2430]

The desperation of the maze interpreted the competition far more in this film than in the book.

[@Casutama]

@@janhavi1977 They weren't friends (although I agree with Kirk Fantasam - they probably would have become friends, had Cedric lived). But it cements Cedric's noble Hufflepuff fairness, and it cements Harry's selflessness. It also makes Cedric's eventual death even more tragic

[@nibbles6675]

Ok dude srsly why are you in the comment section of every video I watch

[@sk8erm870]

Yeah the scene with Hermione yelling “I’m not an owl!” pissed me off so much. It’s completely out of character for her to completely side with Ron and be mad at Harry while in the book she sticks by both of them and tries to get them to talk to them. Your video is one of the most accurate when it comes to the key differences to book and film. I’m not one of those fans that gets pissed off about every tiny thing the movies leave out, I completely agree that it’s character development that’s most important.

[@sk8erm870]

Tristan Lane yeah I guess that makes sense but yeah it could have been worded differently because it makes it look like she’s alright with being a messenger for Ron but not for Harry.

[@ricoco7891]

Tristan Lane You can be your own person without yelling. Honestly, it seems to me, after hearing about book Hermione that they made her a lot more aggressive/angry than she was in the book

[@tonichan89]

Honestly, Film-Hermione stopped being Hermione in the third film. She just shedded her flaws and key characteristics altogether. I'm still not over it.

[@trequor]

One of the first scenes where we see Emma Watson trumping Hermione

[@konanxhidan3202]

This scene was so funny but I completly agree with you. In the books, Hermione was without doubt Harrys most loyal friend !

[@soulextracter]

Mike Newell, the director of this movie actually admitted to not being able to get through the book, and didn't understand the parts he actually read, so the director of the previous movie, Alfonso Cuarón more or less saved the movie a bit by suggesting to Mike that he at least watch the third movie before making the fourth. Mikes reaction to this was that since Alfonso had already made a movie dark in tone, that Mike could not do the same, because he absolutely wanted his own stamp on the movie, so he made it comedic instead. SMH! Then several staff members had to stop Mike from making stupid decisions like having the Hungarian horntail burn down the dark forest etc. Tbh it's not that strange then that this movie was a bit weird. I guess we should really blame the producer, who hired the wrong director for a project like this.

[@entertain7us148]

that is so nasty!!!! not only did he not read the book, he didn't even LIKE it??? i shouldn't be surprised, because that sentiment 100% comes through in the movie. i've always had a problem with that one director, it's very very clear in the comedic/dramatic scenes that are out of place in the series as a whole, and the weird character moments that rely more on gender roles than the actual people JK created, that he didn't have any respect for the source material.

[@cstrosetta]

@@entertain7us148 hmm didn't know this

[@princessthyemis]

wh-what!? WHAT?!! are you serious?!?! He didn't even finish the book or even understand it?! What the heck?! And he wanted the dragon to BURN DOWN THE FOREST?!!?!?!?!? nooooooooo! BAD! STUPID!! Really, really stupid! Good thing they stopped him on that, geez!!!

[@dingfro7612]

He’s such a lazy director and even then, I feel the prisoner of Azkaban has way funnier moments than this movie

[@ssh1487]

entertain7us14 this is what happens when movies of a book series are made too fucking early; you get people who are too old to have grown up with those books to be in charge of the movies’ direction. I would so much appreciate a remake made by people born from 1985 onwards

[@dani4229]

I *love* the Goblet of Fire book because it’s so character-focused even throughout the big actions! ....although what the movies did with the sex-segregation of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons was b a d

[@TropeAnatomy]

I think they wanted to have a big contrast between the schools but they’re already different enough culturally, they didn’t need to do that. Single-sex wizarding schools also make no sense considering everyone in a country (or continent) goes to the same one

[@aurora7442]

@@TropeAnatomy The biggest problem with doing that is that it makes it seem as if Fleur could only be a champion if the whole school was for girls only. It makes her the best Girl instead of the best Person that she actually was.

[@Qrtuop]

@@aurora7442 EXACTLY

[@danielbelousov742]

Hi I have just finished reading the book and when I started rewatching the movie I hated it. Even little details like the heavy rain that was when they were arriving at Hogwarts was excluded. Or what happened to Hageid..

[@matthewvp8507]

And the Beauxbatôns uniform annoyed me. They don’t like Wizarding robes at all, just a fancified ideal of a fancy french school uniform

[@aravisthetarkheena]

Even in the first task, they just kind of went crazy with flying around the hogwarts grounds instead and a dragon clawing up a tower. In the book, he pretty much just flew back and forth and around in circles (not that exciting in movie form, so I see why they needed to make it more exciting) but they just went WAAAAAY over the top

[@TropeAnatomy]

Yup! So much screen-time with that chase that could’ve been allocated to something else

[@milfsfilms]

then u'd be surprised to know (if ever u haven't) that the director originally planned the dragon also burn down the ENTIRE forbidden forest oh lord thank god the crew went against that

[@r.j.penfold]

@@milfsfilms considering I'm already highly annoyed by that random ass Weasley house fire, I'm so glad they didn't do this as well.

[@aj7058]

I disagree that they needed to make it more exciting.

[@Caet-lk6om]

I sometimes just want to skip it but then I think "It is Harry Potter you can't just skip something"

[@OmarHawari]

I bawled my eyes out when I read the scene where Mrs. Weasley hugs Harry. It felt so right. So needed. The movie was felt so immature, like it was directed by an 8 year old, who just wanted to see some action and magical spectacle. Could've been great.

[@vignyathrisivanepalli2770]

Ikr! I just read it this morning and couldn't stop crying

[@ihavenoideawhatgoeso]

"Are we ever going to have a normal year at Hogwarts??" *Cue laugh track*

[@TropeAnatomy]

Ahaha I should’ve edited this!! Hate that line

[@ihavenoideawhatgoeso]

@Curtis Wayne Hermione being black doesn't even factor into it being bad. Who cares? Why be racist?

[@09dindaayularasati65]

@Curtis Wayne bruh if you dont care about race why're you mad she's black now...smh

[@neutralamity]

its called half blood prince (up to about chapter 20)

[@jexhood]

Curtis Wayne her race had no importance in any of the books or movies so the fact that youre so pissed over such a minor detail that has nothing to do with anything is baffling...hermione being a woc is the very very least of that book’s problems

[@chandrawagner4061]

How you know harry Potter's characters and character relationships are it's most powerful aspect: I am reduced to a puddle of tears just because of a few snippets of the book. Like I'm crying so hard just from those 3 weasley moments. Cant. Handle. The. Feeellss! But seriously great video, perfect explanation of how this movie (and a lot of action movies honestly) fails.

[@TropeAnatomy]

I was in a puddle of tears making it lol thank you!

[@Cat-oj5oj]

Omg same like why am I crying right now?!!

[@ceebbees12345]

Dude, same!!

[@sabrywinch]

same!

[@officert5147]

*arrives late to the crying party* would anyone like a tissue?

[@blooddragon805]

I think they did the same mistake in the 8th movie, the prioritisation of action over character, and therefore ruined one of the best book scene, at least in my opinion I’m talking about the last Harry/Voldemort fight They chose to make it an enormous battle, with the red and green beams crossing every five seconds, with screaming, and explosions, and destruction of hogwarts. I’ve always felt that the book scene was so much more powerful. Harry has grown up, he has sacrificed himself, he has understood a lot and he is calm. While Voldemort has still not evolved, doesn’t understand what makes Harry more powerful. The circling of the two, with everyone witnessing the moment silently, while Harry finally explains everything to Voldemort and tries one last time to save him, is so powerful. And it could have had such a big visual impact too ! Much more than constant explosions, which do not differ from the rest of the battle. Edit : I hadn’t finished the video before posting my comment. Damn, your analysis is really SO DAMN good. I know the books by heart, read them 43 times, and can’t watch the movies anymore because I get too frustrated with them, although they ARE good movies and I would never shun someone for appreciating them. You’ve managed to sum up everything I felt about the goblet of fire adaptation, that I couldn’t put into words. Thank you ! And thank you for your appreciation of both content.

[@janlange6416]

I thought that too! I found the picture in the book of tom riddle lying stiff and dead on the floor at the end very strong too, in contrast to voldemort getting dusty

[@Casutama]

ABSOLUTELY!

[@blooddragon805]

jan lange you’re right And with an entire battlefield silent as they witness the tension filled dialogue It would have been so good

[@rebeccaschwartz5477]

This prioritization happens in every movie. Movie Harry kills a person at the end of his first year for the sake of action and special effects.

[@MordredPendragon7997]

Something that I find interesting about Hermione is that she can be emotionally intelligent at times, but not so much at other times. Such as in POA, when she doesn’t really understand why Lavender dreads her rabbit dying and tries to convince her that the thing she dreads’ didn’t really happen on October 17, or when defends Crookshanks without even considering that Ron might have a point- there’s no proof that Crookshanks ate Scabbers, but there’s no proof that he didn’t, either.

[@auxangess]

And when she got strangely angry about Luna saying there's someone behind the curtain

[@36moshpit7]

@@auxangess I think Hermione could, on a subconscious level, sense that there was something really dangerous about that Veil, and they needed to get out of there immediately. Plus, she was probably already a little on edge, you know, with breaking into the Ministry of Magic to fight Death Eaters and all.

[@stefan4159]

Not to mention Hermione launching birds at Ron in HBP. Doesn't scream emotional intelligence. Ron at 14 acted more mature than Hermione at 17. At least he did not ice out Hermione for 6 months and assaulted her simply for being involved with someone else.

[@samdraper5817]

@@stefan4159 lmao you clearly have not read the books. Ron is a fucking dick before already first he clearly shows that he is interested in Hermione to the just insult her and be extremely mean to her all the time just because harry said he thinks Hermione kissed Krum. And Ron is just messing around with her he's only dating Lavender for two reasons because he was angry at Ginny for saying he has no experience with Girls and then wanted to show off an kiss everywhere and to make Hermione jealous. He's the dumbass in this moment and that attack of course was harsh af but he came into the room where Hermione was crying because of him with his new girlfriend and then not even talked to her but insulted her again.

[@stefan4159]

> lmao you clearly have not read the books What part of "Not to mention Hermione launching birds at Ron in HBP. Doesn't scream emotional intelligence. Ron at 14 acted more mature than Hermione at 17. At least he did not ice out Hermione for 6 months and assaulted her simply for being involved with someone else" means that I didn't read the books? So saying anything that doesn't portray Ron as bad and Hermione as good means that I didn't read the books? > Ron is a fucking dick before already first he clearly shows that he is interested in Hermione to the just insult her and be extremely mean to her all the time just because harry said he thinks Hermione kissed Krum. Yes, he was being an asshole to Hermione (and Ginny, and Demelza) after that was revealed to him. Did I deny that? No. > And Ron is just messing around with her he's only dating Lavender for two reasons because he was angry at Ginny for saying he has no experience with Girls and then wanted to show off an kiss everywhere and to make Hermione jealous. Wrong. He genuinely believed that he had no shot with Hermione. At least Lavender was ACTUALLY showing interest in him. Unlike Hermione, Lavender was not expecting him to read her mind and her indiscernible hints and then getting angry with him when he did not follow through. Hermione never showed any actual interest in Ron; as far as Ron was concerned, that was pretty much clear to him during the post-match argument (Before the Lavender kiss). > He's the dumbass in this moment and that attack of course was harsh af He acted like a dumbass during his argument with Ginny and until the Quidditch match. The dumbass after that was Hermione; it wasn't just "harsh" it was completely out of line. > he came into the room where Hermione was crying because of him with his new girlfriend and then not even talked to her but insulted her again He did not know that Hermione was there, and he did not insult her in that room, unless you think “Gerremoffme!” is an insult.

[@btrzcouto]

I never liked the forth movie, but never really understood why. this video is perfection, thank you so much for it.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you!

[@suspikuutti822]

For me the biggest reason was that while the mystery in the books was rock solid and they have that great Sherlock-moment where everything becames clear and all the questions are answered, none of that is in the film. There is a mystery, but no answer at all

[@TheDuffcat]

i remember when I saw it i just kept thinking "if I hadn't read the book I would have no idea what is happening atm". It just felt so rushed, even the pace of conversations felt really fast, with the best example being the one mentioned in this video (cedric and harry in front of the cup) but also a lot of other scenes like Moody's first dark arts class. They often spoke like they'd all snorted a line of coke right before filming

[@SchulzEricT]

I just read in the comments that the director of the movie actually said he couldn't finish the book because he didn't like it, so... not sure if it's true, I'm too lazy/not interested enough to look it up, but if so, that's also a pretty big reason it fell flat.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

I almost forgot about those Weasley scenes, I cried when you re-read them. They were impactful and they were indeed Harry’s family.

[@marbanks4431]

omg I thought it was only me being over emotional but I cried too

[@HusGNR]

11:58 - Exactly. I would say that was an issue in multiple movies, especially after Sirius's death in the Order of the Phoenix - they failed to demonstrate the effect of his death on Harry. In the movies, he recovered pretty quickly like he didn't just lose the only remaining person who he could consider a family! Unlike the book, which dedicated around 2 1/2 chapters for Harry's grieving process and all the thoughts that were invading his mind.

[@stephaniel2850]

I haaated that the movies completely did away with Harry losing. his. shit. in Dumbledore's office. And really just his PTSD and anger throughout all of Order of the Phoenix, but particularly that scene in Dumbledore's office is just utterly heartbreaking. As much as Daniel's acting was great in the moment where Sirius dies, I find the book so much powerful for the fact that Harry *doesn't* just instantly go to a sad place- he gets furious and out of control like he's never been before because his grief is way beyond just sad, and it kills me every time I read it. And in the movie it's just like... sad for a moment, then meh.

[@nintendolegoboy]

@@stephaniel2850 To be fair, doesn't Harry attempt to chase down and kill Lestrange in the movie?

[@sambeawesome]

I only read the books once, so my memory of everything is a bit foggy, but watching this reminded me of the things that irked me about this movie. Hearing those passages again was so emotionally moving, it's a shame that they decided to rely on action to keep the attention/interest of the audience instead of the characters. Great video :)

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you 😊

[@valeriavagapova]

Wonderful analysis! I honestly never noticed the Hermione Yule Ball thing in particular, but it really does make a difference. You made great points. And also made me want to reread and rewatch the whole series again. Thank you.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you! You should do a reread / rewatch if you have the time, you’d pick up on this stuff too

[@matthewvp8507]

Seeing her break down and cry at the end just breaks my heart every time. Totally unnecessary

[@elmondo-s1e]

I also have to add the thought that I’ve always had (at least since rewatching in adulthood) is “of course they had to make the girl in this situation seem like the unreasonable one because that’s reflective of real life, we can’t encourage teenage boys to actually reconsider their attitudes and emotions. Girls get... periods and... hormones and things, yeah it makes way more sense for 14 year old Hermione to lose her shit than it does for Ron (the perma joke of these films)”. Wow that’s long winded but you get my point. Women can’t be REASONABLE AND MEASURED are you wise

[@jatkinson85]

@@elmondo-s1e This is why Book 6 Hermione pisses me off, it's like JKR watched the 4th movie and decided, "Oh that's how I should portray Hermione. a completely overemotional idiot who fails to do anything useful in the entire book!"

[@elmondo-s1e]

jatkinson85 I’ve actually never considered book 6 Hermione in that light. Actually I suppose the whole point here is I haven’t considered her at all which I guess proves your point lmao 🤣 But then again, I haven’t reread in a long time... I’ll be sure to look out for this next time I do!

[@offbeatkiki]

I'm tempted to read the books again because of this video. It's probably been 10 years or so since my last re-read. I really enjoy your video essays and get so excited to watch every time you upload. I subscribed when you only had the MPDG video up, so it's been awesome seeing your output and progress. Keep up the good work!! :)

[@TropeAnatomy]

😭 og subscriber that’s amazing, thank youuu

[@rebecca0078]

I started re-reading the books because of this channel! I had probably re-read a couple of the later books in 2010/11 before the movies, but it has definitely been over 10 years since I've re-read the whole series. I'm halfway through book 2 now. This is my new favorite KZbin channel (both for HP content and others) and I'm excited he'll be making more videos during quarantine.

[@brittanyvillegas4146]

I would definitely recommend it. I just reread the entire series after not for ten years. It’s fantastic and such a beautiful read, especially as I’m older now and different things resonate with me now compared to when I was younger. Plus it got me in the habit of reading every night again before bed and I continue to read different books after finishing!

[@Rojk]

And this video made me thinking about reading them again, but in English instead of Swedish.

[@blooddragon805]

offbeat kiki how does one go 10 years without reading those books ? - a way too obsessed fan question

[@hola542]

Hearing those passages aloud made me cry, even without the build up of reading it myself. They're written so powerfully. I can't help but agree with all of your arguments here.

[@Di7manya]

One of the big issues the HP movies ran into is that as the books got longer, JK started including a lot more of big setpieces and setting up stuff that required a lot of exposition. These things can be spaced out and introduced slowly over the course of a 600 page book, but it becomes much harder when you have to select stuff to put in a 2 hour and a half movie. I think the big schism comes starting from this movie, where multiple plot points are heavily condensed, sometimes to the point of barely making sense. The Yule ball is a pretty big part of the book and in the movie it feels like its in fast forward. They dance, Hermione argues with Ron at the table, then we SKIP to the end of what could be an interesting argument with Hermione and Ron, where Harry just randomly bumps into them while shouting at each other. Also maybe it's a thing from already knowing because of the book, but the "reveal" that "Moody" was not the real Moody in the movie is so blatantly telegraphed, that I'd be surprised if anyone didn't figure it out. This problem is how we get stuff like the Half Blood Prince movie, where we get some good character moments, but then a bunch of stuff is brought up, then dropped immediately with no explanation. Harry starts the movie just in love with Ginny for no good reason (it was awful in the books, but is somehow even worse in the movie) and once they hook up, he like barely talks to her again in the rest of the movie. We barely find out anything about Voldemort other than that he was bad when young as well. The movies start feeling more like a checklist of cool/important moments, just skipping from set piece to set piece with less and less connective tissue as they go on.

[@hermanoguimaraes6343]

Finally I found someone who realizes how bad is the Harry and Ginny romance even in the book. It just came out of nowhere, it is pretty lame.

[@janlange6416]

Good point you made about the Voldemort backstory! I totally agree

[@rizahawkeyepierce1380]

@@Casutama I agree - plus, Harry didn't really see Ginny's actual personality until the previous year, when she finally was able to hold a coherent conversation when he was in the room. He was still into Cho at that point, but after his feelings for Cho faded, it makes sense he'd have a crush on Ginny because they were already developing an emotional connection by the end of the previous year (see: the scene where she brings him Easter eggs in the library and gets him to open up about his frustrations)

[@Casutama]

@@rizahawkeyepierce1380 Exactly. That scene (and also the one where she reminds him that he isn't the only one who was possessed by Voldemort) are two of the "seeds" I was talking about :)

[@silverkyre]

@@Casutama and then while we don't see it extensively, they actually hang out that summer before 6th year all togther because Ginny isn't hiding anymore and I ways thought it was pretty obvious it was very much that summer that did really did it for them. Especially when they get on the train and she takes off and he mentions that he pretty much forgot she dosnt hang out with them during the school year.

[@Vivi-gg9wm]

Percy Jackson movies? Nope those don't exist, THEY ARE NOT REAL!

[@auxangess]

I love Percy Jackson but I can never get more than halfway through the first movie. I hate it so much.

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

Vivi what Percy Jackson movies? There are no Percy Jackson movies!

[@blossomfieryflower5835]

Perry johnson*

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

@@carmena.gonzalezrios8372 There are no Percy Jackson movies in Ba Sing Se

[@paigestubbs9718]

those movies aren’t terrible films, first was good, just did Grover and Annabeth dirty. Second one was decent, they just did all the characters dirty. So, good films just bad PJO work

[@OBictor]

The best proof you can have of the importance of the scenes you've quoted from the book is that just listening to the quotes brought me to tears.

[@Lonewolf-dy5yb]

I like it when Fred, George, Hermione, Ron, and Harry hex Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle simultaneously when Malfoy mentions Cedric's death on the train ride home.

[@susannam3923]

The only thing I'd like to add is that they really could have splurged on an on-set hairdresser. or like consultant haha But in all seriousness, this illustrates the problems in the movie so well

[@TropeAnatomy]

Haha the hair in this movie is so bad!! They boys desperately needed haircuts

[@Di7manya]

Its wild how much they overcorrected in the following movie with most of the boys having really short haircuts. Only Ron still has relatively long hair, but it's still much shorter than in this one.

[@Twohomst]

Trope Anatomy it is like 1995 and they are 14, most 14 year old boys have horrible haircuts and long hair was popular at that point

[@ender7278]

You take that back! Harry had the best hair in the series in this entry!

[@thefischdeo]

That last moment in the maze always gets me in the book. Goblet of Fire ties with Half-Blood Prince for my favourite of the series and the reason I love both so much is all the character moments that the big adventures take a backseat to for once. Not that I don't like the adventures, but I'm usually more interested in characters than plot when it comes to long form storytelling. I actually never got around to finishing the movies (and with JKR's current, let's say, _attitude_ I don't really feel like it, even though I own the dvd set already) and it's strange to hear that they so often cut moments that are necessary for the story to work. It often seems to me as if one would need to have read the books as supplementary material to get the full story from the movies.

[@TropeAnatomy]

HBP is my favourite! Same top 2 exactly for the reason you stated

[@premingergang1099]

How did you comment this four days ago when the video came out today?

[@TropeAnatomy]

@@premingergang1099 They support the channel on patreon and got early access. www.patreon.com/tropeanatomy/

[@thefischdeo]

@@premingergang1099 Time turner ;)

[@bamabry]

I've heard from many people who have never read the books, only watched the movies, that there were many things that didn't make any sense.

[@edoboleyn]

Maybe it’s just sleep deprivation, but while watching this video, I actually felt ready to tear up! It reminded me of some of the most emotional moments in the series. I hope you create more Harry Potter content, because your analysis is wonderfully incisive and always well reasoned! As someone who returns to the books at least every other year, I completely agree that Rowling’s development of these incredible characters makes that possible. “World-building” is a much-used term when discussing fantasy, but she’s one of the special few who really seems to understand that a fictional world is nothing without the characters who inhabit and in turn create it. Hope you and everyone in the comments stays safe in this time.

[@magnowlie]

The Goblet of Fire is my least favourite Harry Potter film, it's not my favourite book in the series, but you really made some great points in this video and I couldn't agree more.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thanks!

[@Ultrazaubererger]

I'll have you know that I only got dust in my eyes twice and cut onions once while watching this video.

[@lemonsoda4225]

Same

[@domhuckle]

They chewed up a lot of characters. Hermione gets some of Ron's best beats. Great analysis

[@taterman0247]

Dude, the director of goblet of fire didn’t even read the books

[@violetraven8323]

The movies have there faults, but you cannot deny that the casting was razor sharp and the music alone added so much emotion and atmosphere.

[@JaronActual]

Well, John Williams is an audio cheat code. ;)

[@violetraven8323]

Well YES- but as someone who read the books and likes the movies I think the movies need to be defended every now and then. And John Williams is a treasure so of course he’s so great.

[@RedCaio]

Sadly John Williams didn't score anything beyond the first 3 potter films, but happily his style and themes are used (to varying degrees) in the rest of the series.

[@aspirtration]

I often tell people who've read the books but skipped the movies to at least give the soundtracks a listen. I usually single-out the third one for being my favorite.

[@nelsonth]

Where does he deny all those things? He explicitly said the movies are a good example of adaptation.

[@msnorringtonsims6536]

this was really beautiful. it's been a long time since I've read the books, and I'm far more familiar with the films. It's easy to forget the small detailed differences. I saw this movie before reading the book, having entered the HP fandom late. So the differences didn't bother me in the beginning. Like you, I accept that changes are necessary for different mediums. But eventually I did find fault with the changes made to this film because I felt they didn't actually serve the story or make it better. I really appreciate being reminded of what made this book so special and pivotal in the saga

[@TropeAnatomy]

thank you :)

[@inbalberstein363]

"I think there's a misunderstanding that in order for the audience to be entertained it all needs to be over the top, instead of trusting the audience to be able to pick up on smaller emotional cues." HOLLYWOOD TAKE NOTES.

[@valeriavagapova]

You loved the movie since you were... FIVE? Oh dear. Didn't expect to feel old on a Harry Potter video loll

[@CherryDaviess]

Same! 😂

[@Hope00Love]

I thought exactly the same thing! I think I just have to start getting used to this, because I am still interested in so many things targeted at children and young people. Whatever, I'm young at heart!

[@camelopardalis84]

@@Hope00Love The worst books I've read are definitely not children's books or even books for young adults. The *best* books however ...

[@luisasanchez2204]

Well I read the books when I was at college....so....yeah....I am old.

[@TheSuperNats]

I think I was 5 when the first Book was coming out 🥴

[@xymophis]

The way harry seems almost fine after the climax makes "capslock Harry" seem worse because it is so jarring in the movies

[@dannypalin9583]

I know. He got over Cedric stupidly fast in GoF and then he's back to having nightmares about him in OoP.

[@krankarvolund7771]

And SPEW would have been horribly expensive with all the Elves to do. Which, in the 2000s was not as easy as today ^^

[@Casutama]

I know that's their excuse, but they could have done it without doing so many elves and more in theory (most of Hermione's S.P.E.W. related plans develop before she even goes down to the kitchen to visit them, so they could have left that out or glossed over it). Also, these films were so hyped and so successful, they could have spent anything they wanted on the elves, they would have had the budget for it (especially if they cut out some of the other things that they included that weren't in the books, like the obscenely long dragon scene in task 1 or burning down the burrow in the 6th film. I have no idea about movie budgets, but those will have cost some money, I imagine. Or they could have SOMEWHAT toned down the yule ball scene. It's an important scene, but - especially the way they do it in the films - it adds almost NOTHING in terms of character development (in the books, at least it serves to make us like Viktor Krum) and they spent 6 months and almost certainly a huge amount of money on that set. Now if they'd only reallocated some of that money to S.P.E.W., which actually in my eyes is one of the most important things we learn in the series about Hermione's character...

[@nicholasreed5410]

They could have used clockwork , for long shots

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@nicholasreed5410 Clockwork? ^^'

[@HoodoHoodlumsRevenge]

Fantastic video. I really appreciated the comparisons you brought up and found the video immensly interesting. Great job!

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you !

[@РутаАсадаускайте]

Damn remember when Cedric, who had always been fair, kind and noble, became a Death Eater in the alternative timeline because idk people laughed at him one time? 🥴🥴

[@chokemewithmydiamonds9456]

that book did not happen we don't acknowledge its existence-

[@silverkyre]

Sir you're discussing fanfiction, and this about canon material

[@CineScarborough]

Interesting points. I actually like Dumbledore shouting at Harry about putting his name in the Goblet of Fire. It really highlights the level of danger and urgency at play.

[@muhammadhashir6136]

Or you could have a Netflix series and include all of it

[@janlange6416]

plus 14 lgbtq characters

[@torchtorquedreams4348]

Muhammad Hashir Yeah, but the thing is, I’m also scared on what Netflix could do. The casting for the movies was more or less perfect and I doubt that Netflix could do as good. And I’m especially worried that it will miss more plot points and character moments than the movies ever did

[@muhammadhashir6136]

@@torchtorquedreams4348 first of all I have seen castings that have been better, even fan castings, and I would disagree, some actors were very old and did not correctly portray the characters. We need a younger cast for some characters. And Netflix has done a wonderful job on many of its other shows. CGI and VFX has only gotten better, and JK Rowling can invest more in this because she is more wealthy now, and we can include everything from the books because it's a series, so already there are two massive advantages. As for plot points, all you need is a passionate director. It isn't necessarily supposed to be from Netflix.

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

@@muhammadhashir6136yeah, Netflix usually gives full creative control to the director and producers, that can be a good or a bad thing depending on who's calling the shots. If they had a great cast and crew behind it I could see it being one of the best series ever made, though it could just as easily have ended horribly for everyone envolved lol

[@muhammadhashir6136]

@@vinnyfromvenus8188 First of all, since Jk Rowling has the rights to this, it will be she who chooses the crew and director but like you said, it can go very well or amazingly wrong. In the movies JK Rowling made great choices, such as Christopher Columbus who chose the perfect cast and designed Hogwarts and pivet drive and Diagon alley and shaped everything. She chose a great director for prisoner of azkaban because of which it is the most cinematic movie, and she chose a great political director for order of the Phoenix, so we can trust her judgement, though the director in goblet of fire movie kind of messed up. Also it doesn't necessarily has to be Netflix as long as it's a series where almost all the book is covered so you can get the same experience as the book, but it will be very expensive and since there are already the movies, a lot of the actors would shy away from this reboot, while it will prompt the attention of a lot other actors.

[@emmarosehurt]

Damn, this video is so good. Warms my nerd heart to see these character-building moments get some deserved attention. I wish everyone would read that chapter where the Weasleys floo in to pick up Harry. Arthur Weasley is so underrated

[@dusktodawn17]

Okay, adding 'Always' at the end was too much, you officially made me cry 😭

[@leelamahon5656]

That excerpt at the end about Harry crying into Molly’s arms really got to me 🥺😭

[@thebestbestian]

I hadn't thought about Goblet of Fire in quite some time. Just like you, I would call it my least favourite movie. However, I did not recall, how much better emotionally the book was. Hearing these quotes and examples of love and character actually made me shed some tears. I should really revisit that book.

[@teresa_meow]

That last scene with Mrs. Weasley hugging Harry made me tear up. It's so beautiful and emotional 😭

[@melanietan7822]

When I was really young I loved this movie to bits and pieces because it was dramatic and when you're a child that keeps your attention and really grabs you. I loved the book too but it wasn't until I was much older that I appreciated the slower character building moments in the book. You reading the passages aloud with the Weasleys' really pulled at my heart - time to re-read the books again :)

[@sims2lovealot]

I agree with absolutely everything you said. Goblet of Fire is also my 2nd favourite book and by far my least favourite movie. I reread the books and rewatched the movies recently, and I literally didn't shut up the entire time throughout Goblet as I complained about everything. It's just so wrong how they treat the characters and downplay the intensity of what's happening. However my biggest issue is the fact that throughout the movie, Harry has almost no lines, and the ones he does have no consequence. It's really bizarre. Everything in the movie happens to him and he's never shown to work anything out by himself or to train for the tournament, which he does extensivey with Hermione for task 1 and 3. Nothing is ever attributed to his skill, but to dumb luck and the help of others. For a main character, it's the worst position to put them in. And seeing what he goes through in the book and how traumatising everything is for him, but how he still gets through it, is the most amazing part. Also the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang genderising was stupid.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

Lotr is hella long too.It doesn't make me stop from rewatching it hundreds of times. They could surely get some moments in thirty minutes more.

[@Dragons_Armory]

You said everything I wanted to say in eloquent ways and with 800% more evidence I can think off. Bravo, I am so glad I subbed to your channel Also~ I seriously hope enough studio Execs see this video because its so important what should be done with adopting a piece of media, especially one that stands at the critical emotional transition in the series.

[@TropeAnatomy]

Thank you! 🙏🏽

[@Crydus]

One of the biggest problems with the GoF movie is that Mike Newell didn't quite understand the book, he even said that the book was too long and confusing. And there had been ideas to split the book but Newell was against this. But all in all I can even respect the fourth movie and I somewhat like it.

[@bighuge1060]

As you like this book very much, I would like to pose to you the reason why I have a problem with the entire premise. I could never understand why it was needed for Potter to be a champion in the tournament and win to enable him to covet the trophy to be transported elsewhere when a portkey -- something Dumbledore created in his office in the next HP book -- could have been created and awaiting Potter to pass to 'Moody' inside Moody's office. The author made clear that apparitions are not possible inside Hogwarts' grounds because of security charms but she never stated portkey creations were not possible as well. As the site of the final task -- the transformed quidditch pitch -- is also inside the protected grounds, traveling by portkey is possible. I understand the entire plotlines needed the portkey in the center of the quidditch pitch hedge maze but without Rowlings adding text to justify the reason for it having to be there, and there was no necessary delay for Voldemort and Pettigrew to have Potter sent to them, the gaping plot hole remains why 'Moody' chose to go through a plan with so many possibilities of failure instead of a simple, "Potter, would you pass me that object (a portkey) over there?" in his office. I wonder if you or anyone else has a problem with this as I do. If only there was a reason stated in the novel's text that would have made that easy way impossible, I could wholeheartedly enjoy this entry like I do the others. Thank you.

[@ComicRaptor8850]

Yup. The reason it’s such a big issue is because the entire plot of the book basically hinges on it

[@theohill40]

I love re-reading all of the Harry Potter books but the Goblet of Fire was and always will be my absolute favourite! The character focus, the mystery element, the action - it all comes together and honestly is so perfect. It definitely one of my favourite books of all time. The movie is good, but in comparison to how amazing the book is it just felt a little hollow to me. This was a great analysis of it, especially on the sacrifice of character for action and intensity, even though you didn't talk much about the incredible murder mystery part of the book which was sadly mostly omitted from the film. Great work!

[@pegas1ster]

I don’t often say this, but this is now one of my favorite videos - I listen to the audiobooks every night and this is the best analysis I have ever heard! This has been my favorite Harry Potter book since it was released and I loved listening to what you had to say.

[@ejazwangde5853]

Dude! You've just hit the nail on the head on why the Harry Potter movies (this one in particular) always had something missing when compared to the books. People get so worked up over the movies skipping things like the Quidditch World Cup, SPEW or Peeves or Percy, but a movie adaptation should never be about including everything. It's about including the RIGHT things. There was a Reddit thread about "Things you wished were in the movies" and almost everyone was going on and on about the Quidditch World Cup, Peeves etc and no one mentioned the character moments. The moment before the third task where Harry is expecting the Dursleys and is wondering who will come for him and Molly and Bill show up, is such a heartwarming moment and would have worked wonders in the movie. It remains my TOP moment not included in the movie among many others, and I see you are one of the very few ones who mentioned it. The "Goblet of Fire" and some of the other movies in the series had the potential to be fantastic movies if only they were adapted right.

[@DoraG99]

Can’t wait for someone to watch this 20-odd years down the line and be like “things going on right now? Wtf is that thing that just popped up on screen???” 😂

[@frankie2319]

I’ve read/listened to these books so many times, but when you read that Mrs Weasley/Harry passage it hit different. Thank you 😭💔

[@Hope-eb8hf]

You pulled me in with the euphoria videos but sold me with this god like take ♥️♥️ thank u so much keep making these gems

[@TropeAnatomy]

👐 thank you for watching them!

[@emmyjemmy4208]

this is one f the best essays ive seen in the entire fandom. well said.

[@agrumpymonkey5800]

I did enjoy the part in the movie where Dumbledore gives an eulogy for Cedric. That was an emotional speech and well acted

[@avxd7]

i LOVE this breakdown. it gets to the heart of what’s lacking in these movies. it always feels like there are essential bits missing. it’s character moments. the movies go for big action scenes and drama over character moments that help flesh out the world and make you more attached to the characters. they just feel a little bit colder in that aspect.

[@snset]

Thank you for the analysis, the last part when you read the passage of the book where harry lets go of his pain, almost made me cry

[@NellasxElensar]

I've read the books through countless times and seen the films many times, and I have to say I couldn't agree more with all that you said. AMAZING analysis!

[@BlindGardener]

This one really felt like all the other coming of age fantasy adaptions

[@hulkcrusher69]

See I took that Dumbledore scene when he asks harry about putting his name in the Goblet completely different. It didn't seem like anger or disapproval as much as he seemed panicked or scared for Harry in that moment and wanted answers as to who is responsible immediately and then I believe he talks to Bartemius to try and get harry out of the competition. The impression I was given by that scene was more in line with worry and shock rather than anger. And I believe it was used as a device to show us the viewer how serious the upcoming conflict was going to be by showing a out of character Dumbledore.

[@stargirl2477]

I love those little character moments from the Harry Potter books as it makes the story and characters feel like you are along side them through the journey. Though, I've only read the books 1 through 4, but its still so immersive. To the point where I am writing a fan story based on the books of Harry Potter, but I really like the analysis of this video.

[@janinapiva7789]

Thank You!! This is exactly right. I don’t understand people being concerned about run time but then also being ok with ADDING things that don’t help the story either. Cut the stupid dragon escaping (I find this scene sooo long and boring) and the dance lessons (cute and funny but unnecessary) and give me some breathing room in the final act. It’s a sprint to the climax, then a run THROUGH the Voldemort duel, which I think would have been greatly improved by a little struggle and suspense with the gold beads between the wands and the shadows emerging one by one. That is a scene they could have taken a bit more time with and it would have had an amazing impact. And then give us a proper denouement. (Stupid dragon, grumble grumble…)

[@elenavitkovska1434]

It is such a deep analysis. So many profound and necessary thoughts. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You finally explained what I felt but couldn't find words for for so long!

[@Meggsie]

I like Hermione's reaction in the movie during the yull ball better because it shows how much she cares what Ron thinks and that she does have a breaking point.

[@RJMiller73]

The problem though is that we’re only told he ruined things but not shown how he did. That’s bad story telling. Also, this is supposed to be moment she comes into her own but having her breakdown and cry ruins that. That’s the reason Rowling has her stand up to Ron and tell him the way it is instead of her breaking down like in the movie.

[@xRaiofSunshine]

Glad I'm not the only who noticed that bit about the ball argument in the movie. Really says a lot about movie Ron's character and how much they screwed him over

[@Jiskpirate]

Actually shed a tear when you read the part where Mrs Weasley hugs Harry. So very touching,

[@rebeccastandley8573]

When Molly hugs him it still makes me cry. It's those moments that make Harry Potter so important to me.

[@myrandaburton4114]

I love that you appreciate the movies. Because of my age, my introduction to the HP world was the movies rather than the books. I think they serve their purpose while falling short at times for characters.

[@amyholroyd343]

Great work as always, definitely had some feels going when you started reading those passages

[@paulc9643]

Honestly I actually wept loudly when I read that Harry/Weasley scene. I still shed a tear.

[@aliceinavalon]

This is definitely a great example of the adapation pitall of thinking that people are solely going to appreciate a story through its action over the subtleties. Sometimes these scenes you mentioned are mistaken for "boring and non-essential" when they help shape the depth of the characters far more than what other actions do. For example, you can have Harry overcome a challenge flying his broom against a dragon and we can see his growth and talent on a broomstick, but it's such a different experience from the real, true depth and personality he showcases, especially in this book. It's the subtle dialogue, and brief moments like these where you see a whole new dimension to the characters. I often think that while Harry is an enjoyable character to watch in the films, there was definitely a chance to give him more characterization and explore more of his trauma and how it shaped him over time to make him stand out from the "typical protagonist hero" role he sort of got dropped into to make things easier for people unfamiliar with the series to draw into. The reality is, these subtle moments could have achieved that even more.

[@bethconley4333]

Who gave you permission to make me cry out of nowhere?? Great video! Your love of these characters really brought back all the feelings of the books for me!

[@simonestefani9499]

I always thought that Hermione was way too Ron-sided in the scene near the lake. Thank you for this content

[@therealcoleycraft]

Brilliant video. Just you reading some of the excerpts from the book such as the scene between Molly and Harry or Dumbledore's line to Harry after Cedric's death literally brought me to tears. Goblet of Fire honestly had some of the most heart-wrenching character moments and it's such a shame that they were excluded from the movie.

[@princessthyemis]

oh my gosh with everything you've mentioned...you are SOOO right about this! I think I knew something was off about this film but never dug deeper. I love what you said about the Sirius and Wealesy moments; how were they not included!? I love seeing your passion here, and for a film that some might consider old. You really have immense love for the books and that is very clear. Wonderful video!!

[@feliciaantonov2342]

as a victim of domestic abuse, the scene of Mr Weasley standing up for Harry is so powerful. I know it's minor, somewhat comedic and shouldn't be as impactful as it is but omg that hit me hard. Hearing Harry say it's alright, somewhat embarrassed, defeated and used to it, i felt myself in his shoes, i have felt the same thing. But to see Mr Weasley stand his ground, and demand they say goodbye, even though it's obviously a fake farewell is so touching. Honestly, the entire Weasley family helped me so much growing up and I'm sure they helped so many others. Great Video ❤

[@mpa7263]

I love your analysis on the series. Amazing points!

[@madrone33]

I totally agree with what you said in your Greif: Defending Caps Lock Harry video! Thank you for bringing to my attention the tragic beauty of OotP, you explained it in a way I really couldn't, and made me love and understand the Harry Potter books so much more. I've re-watched your video at least 4 times, and I just wanted to comment this here because comments on your other video are blocked or something. Thank you!

[@It_is_Okay_to_be_Sad]

Wow, this video was very perfect and on point. I mean that's what many book readers think like( even in the Half-Blood Prince I don't know why they include that Bellatrix burning The Burrow scene rather than showing Gaunt family's past. Also I love book Ginny but movie Ginny is not as pleasant as book one and "Always" so awkward.)

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

I love how everyone uses the Stephen Fry narration when they need to quote the books. You can never have too much Fry.

[@Medatreeme]

Your channel definitely deserves more views and likes and subscribers! Your contents are very deep and great and you almost brought me to tears in this video.

[@sarahmarvin9348]

I wholeheartedly agree. Something else that bothers me is how rushed the scene in the pensive with Barty Crouch is. When I read the book that scene always made me cry but in the movie it was practically void of emotion.

[@ellcally508]

Yes! It would have illustrated Jr.'s manipulative instincts and Senior's motivations.

[@fazedk8167]

I forgot how much they changed, I loved the book so much I haven't watched the movie in so long, thank you so much, I never knew how much was changed, thank you!

[@sierra9599]

This is an incredibly well done video. I actually started crying when you read the final ms weasleys scene from the book Bc when recalling goblet of Fire I never think of the aftermath affecting harry

[@TheSuperNats]

Loved this video, inspired to reread Goblet which is my favorite of the series because to me is the true turning point of the series.

[@fettegurke2447]

I love The Goblet of Fire (Book). When I first read I read it with my brother and we complaint the hole day about Barty Crouch and so on it is my favourite book. And when the movie came out I was really disappointed.

[@emryshale4989]

Why is it explanations like this make me cry more than experiencing it myself? And thats impressive because I bawl like a baby when I read it

[@humanish4042]

This is such a good video! It's the sort of thing I could show to a movies only Harry Potter fan to help explain some of what they'd get out of reading the books (not to convince them to read the books or anything, it just beautifully shows some of the differences to someone who's only been exposed to one)

[@ceebbees12345]

Dude, I'm either sleep deprived and over emotional or JK is just that good, I was all for listening to analysis but I just started sobbing when you recited Cedric's death and Harry's reaction aloud. Honestly, I cried so hard in that scene with Mrs. Weasley.

[@stephaniel2850]

SO completely agree with all of this!! But tbh, it's actually the reason I could never really get into the movies all that much in general: the books are so gorgeously character-driven (seriously, just hearing/seeing those passages you highlighted again breaks my heart so much

[@SaveMeMoon]

Great analysis! Thank you for pointing to some of the less talked about changes from the books!

[@Nemamka]

I.... am truly moved and grateful that I found someone so gently passionate about this topic. I have been keeping a little distance from HP because life and other fandoms happened, yet I found myself crying over the things you brought up from the book and how much more I should appreciate them. Like people sticking up for Harry, like Hermione being much more mature and like how deeply but calmly powerful Dumbledore always has been in comparison to Voldemort's murderous presence. Thank you!

[@vic6784]

Damn the hug thing... I'm crying! I didn't remember that scene

[@princessthyemis]

Action over character...This is so well explained. You are right about everything!