Trouble #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara looks at a comic from Marvel's defunct Epic line - a romance comic called "Trouble!"
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Originally uploaded January 19th, 2015.
#at4w #comics #trouble
ORIGINAL INFO: When you name your comic imprint “EPIC,” truly nothing signifies that better than… a romance comic.
RUMINATIONS: Trouble’s primary flaw is in its massive retcon (which I’ll presume you’ve watched the episode before reading the ruminations and thus know what that is) that of course was ignored by every person on earth after it was revealed. But of course it’s certainly not its only one. Simply put the story just isn’t all that interesting. Having read ahead now on stuff that’s going to happen, there isn’t anything insane enough to really qualify Trouble as one of the worst comics ever made. After all, we live in a world where Marville, Cry for Justice, Holy Terror, and lord knows how many other awful, awful comics exist out there. The majority of its hate really goes for the retcon. Fair enough, but on its own it’s just a dull romance about people we don’t care about and a lot of their dialogue is stilted and crappy, which can be said of even much better comics out there. It’s certainly nowhere near good, but I don’t think it’s as awful as many would make it out to be.
That being said, the covers are the WORST. What the hell were they thinking?

[@Reallyrandomcircle]

OK, so the way I see it, the manager's pointy ears indicates he's myphisto in disguise, here to ensure the greatest crime of all against Peter Parker. Making sure he gets born.

[@Reallyrandomcircle]

adhering to the patented AT4W view of Parker's life btw

[@dragonsword8129]

+Reallyrandomcircle Um, he's discouraging relationships and makes efforts to stop any rule-breakers. If anything, he's trying to stop Peter's birth.

[@AlexisVolk97]

Dragon Sword They're teenagers,that means they've a -300% resistence to reverse psychology

[@johnalogue9832]

I think that's a triple negative.

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

I thought the pointy ears showed he was an ancestor of the Jackal trying to get genetic material to clone a bunch of Aunt Mays and Uncle Bens?

[@POLE7645]

"...intimacy breeds distraction and distraction breeds incompetence." "Man. Bill Jemas must've had a LOT of sex when he wrote Marville." Best line of the review. And that would explain so much (especially his choice of covers).

[@iankopeski2831]

+POLE7645 I think he was high and drunk in addition to having a lot of sex.

[@tmanknoll9702]

POLE7645 lol i read that as soon as he started saying it

[@spiderluigi866]

Explains a lot

[@redkite1908]

"That's Right, Trouble is the story of the Youthful Sexcapades of Aunt May & Uncle Ben. and Peter Parkers Parents" *Screams* *In* *Eternal* *Agony*

[@Sonichero151]

*I would like to cancel my free trial of living now*

[@Sonichero151]

At some point I was wishing a store intercom would start going "Mr.Vorhees to the four idiot teens in the lake, Vorhees to the idiots in the lake.".....

[@th3rasave]

Danny Caracciolo the only problem with that would be that Spiderman wouldn't exist...

[@georgebaynard4096]

*Voorhees

[@bluespaceman7937]

That is quite amusing.

[@Tareltonlives]

This comic feels like a slasher movie with the slasher taken out

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@Tareltonlives Pretty sure Jason is busy drinking during this comic...

[@SpiderandMosquito]

You know in every second of my 24, almost 25, years I have asked myself many questions. I have thought about theology, rationalized my place as a young Christian in a modern world growing more in favor of rational over tradition. I have pondered the basic and advance scientific explanations of all forms of nature and the mechanics of the human and all physical objects. I have questioned the system of the patriarchal society that makes it harder for our sisters and wives to find an ideal living without support. I have asked about the benefits and failings of war and the horrible acts man does upon his fellow man. I have questioned where I stand on my political believes, asked why capitalism and democracy which seems like the most ideal way for a government to sustain in the longterm can still be so easily corrupted or at least not help those who need it most. I have read the writings of the great philosophers and questioned their perspectives and how their theories and teachings can impact us today even if we don't follow their beliefs. I've tried to understand the conundrums of prejudice in all its forms including sex, race, and religion to name only a few and why so many disagreeing parties must resort to bloodshed and hostility. I have even asked if there is life on other planets, and have tried to comprehend how complex the world was before mankind even existed. I have looked upon the art of cultures both ancient and of the recent past to asked what they truly mean. All these questions and conundrums I have asked myself in my time on this Earth as I continue to grow and mature as a human being and there are many more questions I have yet to find. However, out of all these questions and more I have asked, not once.... not.... once do I recall ever.... EVER asking myself nor would I ever have the faintest desire to ever ask myself the HUMBLE HYPOTHETICAL CONCEPT OF "Hey... I wonder what the sex life of Ben and May Parker was like when they were in high school..." because WHY PRAY TELL WOULD I OR ANY COGNITIVE BEING FROM AMERICA TO THE MILKY WAY GALAY EVER ONCE IN THEIR EXISTENCE STOP TO ASK SUCH A QUANDARY AS THAT Thank you Mr. Millar for answering this ancient question that nobody but nobody ever asked. -_-

[@dragonsword8129]

+Christian Schmude Yeah, even Millar admits that he's ashamed of this comic.

[@thegayghost872]

Christian Schmude apparently it sucked

[@chs9999]

Mark Miller had to think "hey you know what we should do to bring back romance comics we should have Aunt May and Uncle Ben bang for like six issues and then Aunt May bangs Peter's dad and then it turns out that Aunt May is Peter's real mom and invalidating the entire relationship this is a really good idea"

[@manwitha12plan_6]

18:06-18:12 "Ki Ki Ki. Ma Ma Ma. Ki Ki Ki. Ma Ma M-" Jason: "Oh, you know what? I'm just not feeling it today. I'm gonna take a day off. "

[@BulletTooth504]

Pamela Voorhees's voice in Jason's head: "Let them live, Jason. It will be a far worse fate for them."

[@zafool4997]

he’s not feeling it because his flesh finally finished rotting away

[@Adamgontierfan19]

So just to be clear here, Aunt May looks suspiciously similar to MJ, his mother resembles Gwen Stacy, and the snooty twerpy guy was named Peter. I'm sure that last one is a coincidence that I'm reading to much in to but good Lord it's a wonder Peter Parker can function at all. I mean, I know no one acknowledges this in canon but still yeesh. And I just imagine Pete looking at old photos of his family and when he sees young May his eyes widen in horror

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

thank god trouble is not canon!

[@jfdrac]

And the fact that May apparently taught MJ her signature just adds to the creep factor

[@billygreci9739]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 If it was, there would be a LOT more scenes of Spider-Man swinging around while wasted.

[@jarthkebil]

Spider-Man fanfiction, starring all of Peter's parental figures. Oh, God help us all...

[@jfdrac]

Just need a young Otto Octavius for a May love triangle

[@fernie-fernandez]

@@jfdrac Should I mentioned Eddie Brock's father?

[@jfdrac]

@@fernie-fernandez No idea we ever even met him in comics outside the ULT world

[@fernie-fernandez]

@@jfdrac Well, if Kassidy or Sandman had a dad...!

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Don't forget the fact that it was made by the guy who thinks Wolverine evolved from an otter, and that molecules are sentient.

[@jojothebard6687]

Still a better love story than Avengers # 200.

[@marcusbierman5310]

+Joseph “The Bard” Mayes Between Avengers # 200 & Twilight, which is the least worst love story?

[@jojothebard6687]

+Marcus Bierman Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Twilight is the lesser of two evils. As abusive, toxic, creepy and problematic their relationship is, The relationship between Bella and Edward is miles better and more developed compared to whatever the hell happened in Avengers # 200.

[@dragonsword8129]

+Joseph “The Bard” Mayes Sad, but true. There are much worse love stories than Twilight.

[@infinityalbi9840]

The Bard BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!

[@hickorymccay2994]

@@marcusbierman5310 Chris Claremont made fun of it. He is the previous regeneration of the Time Lord later known as Norio (bad spelling, sorry) Takeguchi and Rebecca Sugar. So I think that counts as a bad love story. Heck, none of those people ever made fun of Twilight.

[@Hulkzilla0]

May: Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot! 30 years later.... MJ: Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot! Peter: Whoa! May: Ah shit...

[@josethebeast8709]

Me: internally screaming

[@L1z43vr]

@@josethebeast8709 Can I have a Hetap?

[@josethebeast8709]

@@L1z43vr yes, yes you can

[@iamthemouse4483]

May: "Ah shit, here we go again."

[@th3rasave]

the worst part of this is (depending on which universe this was supposed to take place in) ultimate universe: one of these idiots is somehow destined to become a scientist and invent the symbiote main universe: two of these idiots are destined to become agents of shield... somehow... in any universe: THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE BIRTH TO, AND RAISE, ONE OF THE WORLD'S GREATEST SUPER HEROES?!?!?! I know being teenagers, they're probably not going to be very responsible (being not as exprienced) but they could at least show some signs of intelligence, something that came naturally to Peter Parker...unless he's just the family's black sheep... which is entirely possible, if this were actually cannon

[@th3rasave]

also, here's a fun idea: how about, instead of Peter Parker's Parental figures acting like idiots, let's have a series about more of Richard and Mary Parker's adventures as Agents of Sheild

[@gennybaratta2460]

@@th3rasave Shut up and take my money

[@jfdrac]

Maybe this is one of those universe where you got a really crappy version of Peter....Like Spider Assasin or Man Spider

[@ninjagregshow9423]

Oh it gets worse, spoilers but peter turns out to be may's baby and is convinced in this series

[@alicianelson1252]

I don’t care if there unintelligent I care if there horrible people

[@CazTheGamerGuy]

I vastly prefer the board game to this comic.

[@danielbrant6740]

+Caz "IT'S FUN GETTING INTO TROUBLE!" XD

[@Aspi3Gam3r]

Have an upvote! That genuinely made me laugh and I don't say that often about the KZbin comments section.

[@TF2Fan101]

*Linkara mentions Richard, Mary, Ben and May's names* Vomiting process initiating in 3... 2...

[@jfdrac]

And know we see the real reason Spidey agreeded to the deal with Mephisto

[@Sonichero151]

*this nightmare has only begun*

[@jdpragmatic8644]

“...And this is all really stupid...and yet it only gets worse.” -Linkara

[@thebluePrincess5904]

What a minute a they made a prequel series about how Spider-Man's parents meet and feel in love AND THEY DID'NT MAKE IT ABOUT THEM BEING SECRET AGENTS WHEN THEY FIRST MEET LIKE IN THE ORIGINAL STORY . What the actual heck that would have been actually interesting.

[@rorylumley4727]

That is only the second worst retcon the worst being may cheating on ben with richard and giving birth to peter parker.

[@jfdrac]

@@rorylumley4727 Wait....WHAT?? When???

[@theponydalek7923]

@@jfdrac my best guess, this story...

[@jfdrac]

@@theponydalek7923 Oh brother....yeah even more glad I saw this review before I wasted my Dollar in credit for this TPB collection (sad when a dollar of trade in book credit is too much)

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"I knew you were trouble when you walked in So shame on you for making a comic that never should have ever been Now it's lying on the cold, hard couch!"

[@SpyHunter89]

+TheHeroOfTomorrow (insert slow clap here)

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

XD

[@dragonsword8129]

Lol. But in Linkara's case, this book isn't going anyhwhere cold. In fact, it's quite the opposite. :)

[@idongesitusen5764]

That song Fits this comic in a lot more ways than we think

[@TF2Fan101]

"Insanity, the true sign of love!" To be fair, the phrase, 'Mad with love' had to come from somewhere.

[@carloszapata847]

Yandere.

[@pihlayliverronen]

15:27 "Chris Evans having the propotions of a Dorito." I am dying of laughter! Omg.

[@psycher7]

"I've learned that intimacy breeds distraction, and that distraction breeds incompetence." Which is why you've spent 20 years working with your wife. And yes, I know he specified non-married couples, but that doesn't help. If anything, marriage is MORE intimacy.

[@MaggieCandy999]

"I raised my son to be monogamous and gay dammit!" 😂

[@dukespubber741]

Good thing Howard Stark wasn't there. Then the current Iron Man/Spidey beef would really be spiteful.

[@brodiecrain13]

and the kinda aunt may and Tony thing kinda going on in mcu

[@AvengerGreen]

'Sees the cover and premise for the Unfunnies.' ...WHY?! What possible reason would anyone have to write and create that abomination!!!?!???

[@tomhur1]

I could be wrong but I think even mark Millar admitted that one was stupid

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@tomhur1 well after his own wife scolded him for creating that comic, i don't blame him

[@lastfullast8819]

Unfunnies is the greatest comic Mark Millar ever written.) It's just a bit unusual and shocking.

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

He saw Meet the Feebles and realized ripping off something that obscure was unlikely to be noticed? (Well, OK, not exactly a rip off, but definitely inspired by the same sort of ideas.)

[@TheSkully343]

@@MyMagnificentOctopus Maybe he took inspiration from the creator of Diesel.

[@XanderVJ]

I was wondering why was this video in the "Spider-Man reviews" playlists. Then I came to the end of the video and had the "Oh..." moment. lol

[@th3rasave]

what's worse is that Richard looks like Peter, Mary looks like Gwen Stacy, Ben looks like Harry Osborne, and May looks like Mary Jane, making this realization even more "face palm"ier

[@spyrofan9681]

May and Ben, Richard and Mary...AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!

[@Sonichero151]

*OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO*

[@ssj4jason737]

This kinda makes me glad that Millar wrote things that are worth reading like Red Son Superman and Old Man Logan

[@ZC-Infinity]

"Mark Millar has just as many stories that are uplifting" Could I see some works to back that up? From the writing I've seen of his(including Wanted, Jupiter's Legacy, The Ultimates, The Authority, Kingsman, Kick-Ass, Civil War, Superman For the Animals, Superman Red Son, Ultimate X-Men, etc.), he's in love with shock writing, and even his works made for younger audiences are known for leaving people feeling uncomfortable. Even when there's a happy ending, it's more of a stalemate achieved through a LOT of death and destruction, and we're left wondering "Was it worth it?" Plus, Millar seems to share a trait with another certain Miller, in that he idolizes superpowered beings, elevating them to God-mode status(especially in Wanted and Superman Red Son), and believes that people with power should lord it over others. ...Just saying, I'd love to know if Millar ever made an actual "feel good" story that doesn't leave me hating humanity or feeling ashamed I was ever born...

[@ya-kiri794]

His run on the Flash with Grant Morrison is one example in which it wasn't super grim and mean spirited. It's actually really good and positive. Although, that could be because he wasn't the sole writer soooo....make of that what you will.

[@dantesinporno]

The description of Nemesis sounded a lot like an aristocrats joke. That's one of the most revolting things I've ever heard.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

WELL. once in one of the "soap-opera-ish" tal shows from my country, "Caso Cerrado", which my mom watches just to have background noise and to fall asleep, once featured the story of a woman, who, took samples of semen and sperm of the then-gay neighbor of her daughter (more or less, details are sketchy of m memory), used those in her daughter "as experiment", and then a kid was born. years later, she (the now grandma) tried to demand the gay guy in that show for "maintenance money" for the kid (and even told the kid "go for the money"). they discovered what she did during that episode. i don't know whats worse. either all that fuked-up story was real, or someone imagined that story so it was written, and played out by actors.

[@logandexter931]

I’m honestly surprised nay, horrified that he wasn’t arrested for writing Nemesis.

[@lastfullast8819]

@@logandexter931 Why? This comic is not bad, just weird.)

[@fragmentsbeta6537]

I don't get comic creators sometimes. This was apparently supposed to bring Romance Comics and "expand" (I use that term loosely) the Spiderman mythos. So their plan was to make the characters completely horny, unlikable douche bags? It doesn't help that these are long established characters. Sure there was you could use that "We used to be more younger and horny before" plot point, but they aren't even trying to make these characters resemble what they will be in any way. Why not just make them original characters? What's the point of making them Peter Parker's parental figures!?

[@LagrimaArdiente]

The first time I watched this, I thought the names were just supposed to be an edgy reference. Then that final panel hit me like a freight train.

[@starwarsnerd100]

Lots of comments are saying Linkara should review other Mark Millar stuff like Unfunnies or Wanted. I'm not so sure, I know Lewis could make them funny, but from what I've heard the source material is so uncomfortable and mean spirited it would make Avengers 200 and Holy Terror seem positively charming.

[@starwarsnerd100]

+starwarsnerd100 Closest example I can think of is when Nostalgia Critic did one of the Silent Night Deadly Night movies are people told him to leave that kind of stuff to Brad and Phelous.

[@kimifw58]

He actually went through with that? I thought he considered it but did Child's Play instead.

[@fignatoli-guevara5826]

Michael Prymula the movie was great. Haven’t read the comic.

[@troin3925]

If adaptations of Millar’s work can improve his stories like Wanted and Kickass, then maybe I can find a way to improve The Unfunnies. While I think there’s some interesting ideas: dark comedy turning into psychological, metafiction horror slightly, slightly like Animal Man, a kid friendly comic strip world suddenly being thrown into immoral, murderous chaos that no one has the answer for, the creator of the strip turning out to not only be the cause of it, but a criminal on death row. It’s just a shame that while I haven’t read it, aside from some screenshots of panels on Google images, just reading people talking about the story, seeing the covers and the TV Tropes page makes me feel dirty in the worst possible way. It didn’t need to be _this_ dark!

[@Facade953]

Imagine Spidey reading all this! The poor guy would have a heart attack or at the very least throw up!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ElvenRaptor]

I'm imagining him swinging around New York totally wasted.

[@Facade953]

@@ElvenRaptor And crushing on buldings!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@Facade953 And then he slams right into George of the Jungle coming the other way!

[@carlosalmonacid8958]

I just realised that this comics' storyline would make a little more sense in the MCU; it would still be incredibly dumb and contrived but it wouldn't have the continuity issues of this being canon to 616 or Ultimate universe would be, as Aunt May is younger in the MCU movies.

[@RenjiMaili]

You had me at Mark Millar.. Had me feeling an intense desire to chew my thumbs off. Wait.. May? Ben? Marvel comics? Oh fuck this.

[@farmerproductions9869]

Let's hope that Spider-Man: Homecoming doesn't have a prequel inspired by this.

[@TheSkully343]

+FarmerProductions Yeah I heard Spiderman Downpour was a much better game.

[@PolarPhantom]

+TheSkully343 Ah, yes, Downcoming, the most noble Spider Man story where Pyramid Head is shoved in among various other issues.

[@berpipo]

+PolarPhantom Spiderman shatred memories was pretty good. Always nice to see mayday after the whole deal with the devil thing.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

+FarmerProductions Home-coming.

[@dragonsword8129]

+FarmerProductions Not likely. Joe Quesada had a hand in creating this comic and Marvel Studios is no longer reporting to Marvel Publishing on how to make movies. (There was a disagreement over Civil War.) And that means Quesada will have NO SAY WHATSOEVER with that movie.

[@Ice-Climber]

The thing is now most girls and women looking for romance comics read Shojo and Josei manga...

[@battlion507]

That, or Twilight... or 50 Shades of Grey... *shudder*

[@Ice-Climber]

Tony Davis Fortunately, a comic version of the latter does not exist to my knowledge.

[@battlion507]

Ice Climber And thank God it didn't blow out into popularity that the majority loved it.

[@TheTrashball]

+Ice Climber Well, there is Sunstone.... But Sunstone has two female leads, likable characters, knows what it is talking about, does not feature an abusive relationship and is, in fact, GOOD.

[@ElvenRaptor]

Okay, this is the funniest review I've watched in a while, period, regardless of creator. Just the way this comic is written, it's a perfect goldmine of unintentional comedy, so I'm laughing even when Lewis is just reading off some things that happen. And just about every one of his jokes just have me in a giggling fit.

[@Tareltonlives]

Millar: Good at Superman. Absolutely awful at everything else.

[@Tareltonlives]

"You know what Spiderman's prequel should be like? American Pie!"

[@zten9092]

Wait a second, retcon, Ben, May, Richard and Mary. Dear God, please tell me this isn't what I think it is!

[@Tareltonlives]

It is. You may scream. Hell, so did I.

[@zten9092]

Tareltonlives Oh don't worry, I did. God just....why?! Why would you write this story?

[@Sonichero151]

*this nightmare begins*

[@WinterSteele]

I kinda like the idea of romance comics, just not having them revolve around teenagers. Off the top of my head, I've read some romance novels featuring pirates and privateers that would probably be well-suited to comic book adaptation.

[@jfdrac]

They also probably have ACTUAL romance and not just a softcore porn

[@SpeedyEric1]

11:57- He could be a Vulcan, or a Romulan. 21:49- Well, you know that they say. "It's hip to be square."

[@j.r.richards9425]

Mark Millar is weird one to me. From The Ultimates to about Nemesis, he wrote a lot of stories about unlikable, douchebag characters. Then all of a sudden, he wrote Superior and since then, he's been really good. Jupiter's Legacy, Huck, MPH, and Starlight... stories about really well-written characters, uplifting messages and tone, and or really fascinating and engaging superhero stories. I wonder what finally got him to decide to write stories that aren't... well his other infamous stuff. Speaking of worst things, like you said in your ruminations, Trouble ain't even close to being one of the worst comics ever. Now if you want something by Millar that is in that ballpark, you got The Unfunnies. So much wrong with that comic... ugh.

[@j.r.richards9425]

+Eamonn Deane Indeed. Have you read Superior yet? Superior is basically a love letter to Superman (and a real love letter, not whatever Identity Crisis was).

[@alucardyoici]

+J.R. Richards I think he just like trying weird provocative stuff

[@joserobertosolismerlin5527]

+J.R. Richards he sawM an of Steel no really thats what he said on an interview

[@alexlong9107]

while I don't know when Jupiter's Legacy came out I can at least explain Huck and if MPH, and Starlight came after Huck it might be because he still stuck in the same mind set from writing Huck here www.gamesradar.com/mark-millar-how-man-steel-traumatised-create-huck/ this is an article Millar did expelling why he made Huck

[@Naruto85RasenShurike]

Eamonn Deane I think Millar's best works are WOLVERINE: OLD MAN LOGAN and SUPERMAN RED SON!

[@ColeVecsion]

Ahhh mark "i hate everything pleasant about life" millar, a man whose entire carear i can sum up as "good ideas executed poorly"

[@2wingo]

His work on "Superman Adventures" was really good.

[@Kth77]

Man, on one hand it seems like a kinda brilliant idea to expand your brand, in this case taking non super hero characters from Spiderman and putting them in a romance genre... too bad this comic is about as romantic as a Leisure suit Larry game.

[@POLE7645]

+Kth77 At least Leisure Suit Larry games are funny.

[@WorldWar2freak94]

If it had a talented team at the helm, it would have worked. These type of comics are easy to mess up, as this series proves.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

Actually... typically, inter-company boning is a perfectly legal reason to fire someone. And it's a pretty common one, too.

[@SasukeUchiha-ix2yk]

Who would you want to be the slasher in this thing? seriously this is a beautiful set-up for Jason to me, but hey i'd be more than happy for the Predator to show up.

[@2wingo]

Predator wouldn't do it. None of these douchebags would give a suitable challenge.

[@SasukeUchiha-ix2yk]

2wingo Fair point, so that leaves Jason, or Freddy

[@lwanco1018]

Sasuke Uchiha Out of those 2, I choose Freddy. He could kill them in very unique ways.

[@gatorshark0870]

I would go with Jason. After all he does have the unique ability to to sense sex crazed teens

[@SasukeUchiha-ix2yk]

yeah this is more Jason's MO

[@rebornkusabi7264]

The irony is romance comics is technically still a thing- the comic series SAGA had a pretty substantial readership with non-males, and of course romance manga exists.

[@christopherb501]

If you want romance comics, generally manga or one-shot indies are your better bet. If you want romance in superhero comics, best you can go for is Love & Capes.

[@Tareltonlives]

"I've seen better romances by the lake in Naboo"-Bill Corbett

[@dragonsword8129]

What's that line from?

[@Tareltonlives]

The Rifftrax to Swing Parade.

[@Tareltonlives]

I think Millar needs to see a therapist

[@fernie-fernandez]

Eventually he got better with Kick-Ass and Kingsman...!

[@Sonichero151]

We all need a fucking Therapist after this........

[@Tareltonlives]

@@fernie-fernandez I don't count those as steps up, frankly

[@fernie-fernandez]

Tareltonlives ...Ok...!?

[@retrogamelover2012]

Well he can take Miller along with him, given how much of a mental case a lot of his post-Sin City novels and comics were.

[@uchihaedgelord5589]

Wait. May. Mary. Ben. Richard. OH NO. OH _GOD_ NO.

[@Sonichero151]

*Joseph Joestar screams in horror in the distance*

[@zafool4997]

@@Sonichero151 *kars laughs in space*

[@spaceboomer564]

19:21 So, does this mean Aunt May sexually coached Mary Jane before first setting her and Peter up?

[@rorylumley4727]

Aunt may cheated on ben with richard and gave birth to peter. That ruins the relitonship of may ben and peter.

[@MiscellaneousSoup]

This episode has a special place in my heart. I first watched it when I visited my current college for an overnight visit. I fell in love with the college and I chose to go there. In fact, this week is my final week of being a freshman.

[@MythicSuns]

wait, THAT'S what little black books are used for? I've just been using mine for writing down my passwords.

[@strubberyg7451]

You know. it'd make a lot of freudian sense if Mary was like MJ, implying Peter is attracted to women that look like his mother. It's true for some guys in a healthy way. Other it isn't true and sometimes it's unhealthily true. but... 1) Considering Peter's parents died pretty early in his childhood, Aunt May might have been his mother figure. 2) Mary kinda looks like Gwen Stacy, so the theory still kinda stands, just applied to a different girl...

[@TF2Fan101]

‘There once was a man named Oedipus Rex, you may have heard about his odd complex. His name appears in Freud’s index because he *loved* his mother!’

[@VincentMariethe4th]

I noticed early on with this series Millar REALLY likes his sentences that begin with "Besides..." Just an odd little writer's quirk that I'm surprised an editor didn't catch before it went to print.

[@TsukiCondor]

This series feels like a bad Spiderman fanfic made by jr high kid

[@qwellen7521]

13:06 OH MY GOD MARK DO YOU EVEN GET WHAT IMPLICATION THAT HAS?!

[@boooRatt1]

+Sam Weth If you read enough of his work: Feet is to Quintin Tarantino as Incest is to Mark Millar!

[@battlion507]

boooRatt1 What about cannibalism?

[@jakew6162]

AT Productions Was that a Rebeltaxi reference

[@jamescallanan2443]

Rewatching before the final issue. *Gets whiskey* Let's do this shit.

[@snakes3425]

Ultimatum: F One More Day: F- Trouble: Oh there must be something lower then F- Z...Z...ZZZZZZZ!!!!!

[@masterprick1]

I did not expect to ever see a comic where Aunt May is loose hahaha.

[@malusignatius]

*Watches review* *Listens to Linkara describe the reveal* ... *Goes and has a shower. With bleach*

[@bul13ts]

Oh God! I just watched Spiderman again for the first time in years... and then THIS HAPPENS!!!

[@Rgoid]

“Oh, we’ve got Trouble, right here in River City! It starts with a T and it rhymes with a P and it stands for Pool!”

[@MrFlixallade]

I just realized... was Peter named after the Camp Owner guy in this reality?

[@Facade953]

This makes it EVEN more hilarious!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@matthewjarek3026]

Mark Millar even killed Mark Hamill in The Secret Service comics. I was in a bad mood after I read that comic. 😠

[@dragonsword8129]

10:58 Wait a minute! This guy's name is Peter?... Is he supposed to be Peter Parker's namesake? Because if so, whaaaaaa...?

[@MCTales89]

Dragon Sword That would explain why Linkara's using the Peter Parker voice for him.

[@Zinervawyrm]

Wait 30 years? Then why does he only look 35? Is his ears pointy? Is he an elf!? Well, Mr. Linkara, maybe he's a mutant, ever think of that? LOL XD

[@thegayghost872]

“HAHAHAHA you hear that, Ben? Your brother’s a huge homophobe!”

[@thebluePrincess5904]

I Just have one question WHY THE HELL ARE BEN AND MARY SO CLOSE IN AGE TO PETER'S PARENTS

[@alucardyoici]

+The Blue Knight 590 well the parkers are siblings. I don't know for you but I am 2 and 4 years apart from my brothers

[@RockdaNike]

+alucardyoici I'm 4 from my sis. Though 4 is a bit much for working in the Hamptons together and trying to get laid and wasted together. Like let's say one is 17 the other is 13 so it's really weird. The 2 year gap seems more appropriate.

[@dragonsword8129]

+Ken Clouds When I was in the 4th Grade, one of my classmates was an uncle and his sister was my teacher. I myself was pretty surprised when learning this.

[@rorylumley4727]

I agree considering ben and may look 80 something a ten year or more age gap makes more sense.

[@fluidthought42]

@@alucardyoici It's not that siblings aren't ever born closely, but rather that Aunt May and Uncle Ben were often depicted as gray-haired guardians of a teenager. Meaning Peter's parents must have been past their thirties when they conceived, despite never being depicted as "old" in childhood photos with Peter.

[@Citrakite]

Half-way through this I had the sudden realization of why I forgot this whole comic. It Marty Mcfly'ed my ass!

[@9Godslayer]

How are your croquettes nowadays?

[@Citrakite]

Tyler Witt Buttery and full of shame.

[@RandomMantheawsome]

This is by far the worst Game to comic adaptation I have ever seen

[@harlannguyen4048]

Is it bad?

[@jfdrac]

@@harlannguyen4048 Its Troubling

[@williammorahan4907]

@@jfdrac kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCnpJhvjLtsptE

[@boooRatt1]

There's a page from a Deadpool comic that perfectly fits this comic!

[@williammorahan4907]

What page?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

Say! It's Millar Time

[@Zenn_Chan]

"So you're willing to say 'condom' in front of your brother but not the woman you're about to sleep with" Ummmm. Yes. That is 100% what men are like. I'm not entirely sure what surprised you about that, Linkara

[@Tareltonlives]

He kind of assumes people are actually comfortable in their masculinity and don't try to overcompensate

[@connorsullivan1855]

Damn, that twist ending!

[@Wildduckpro]

8:31 Was The artist trying to troll Mark or is that his side job?

[@grantwilson4506]

A Spider-man quote? My god...

[@NimanWielder01]

10:47 I can't help but imagine Mark Millar was given this as a joke. They just gave him the title, but withheld the outline until he said yes. "Yes! Insane teenage homicide! I can't wait to dig into what the flying Hell is this?"

[@TheBestComicKing]

Mark Millar is really great when he's writing comics that are geared towards kids. But when he does stuff that are meant for older audience, WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL you get crap like the stuff you mentioned.

[@Sirlanceloth1]

I once saw a quotes from some anon about how Millar does better when he's given boundaries, given the difference of quality between this and, say, "22 Stories in a Single Bound" from Superman Adventures, I'm inclined to agree

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

The philosophy behind this comic: that which you are told not to do makes the thing you are told not to do instantly desirable and engaging. In that case, I'd like to tell Mark Millar to not go eat shit and then watch him struggle to not to do so.

[@eugenideddis]

When you originally uploaded this I saw a joke in the comments "So Uncle Ben and Peter have a type". I laughed and thought that at least no one considers this canon. Then I saw the actress for Aunt May in Civil War. Uh, oops.

[@Dynaman21]

And this is why romance comics are dead. Dead and buried.

[@dragonsword8129]

No. They're dead and burned. Or at least this one is when Linkara's done with it.

[@jfdrac]

This is only romance in the way a repressed caveman thinks it is

[@XenithXenaku]

5:03 *Linkara:* Oh yeah and on the teen angle, probably not a good idea to put what appear to be *PREPUBESCENT GIRLS IN BIKINIS FRONT AND CENTER!!!*

[@highdefinitionapollo2189]

I suddenly really want Linkara to review nemesis

[@darkhelmet87]

ok, if aunt may was like, high school or college age when Peter was born, why is she so old that she sometimes looks semi-mummified. seriously, what the hell happened to her in 18 years?!?!?

[@dragonsword8129]

+Kris Lundell Because this comic is stupid... among other negative things.

[@darkhelmet87]

+Dragon Sword ok, that makes sense, especially for a brand made by Bill "body heat comes from spines and we evolved from otters" jemas.

[@dragonsword8129]

+Kris Lundell And Joe "only a deal with the devil can heal a bullet wound and here's a love interest named after my daughter" Quesada.

[@dragonsword8129]

+Kris Lundell Yeah that's actually something that confuses me too. It's why I don't mind them casting Marisa Tomei as Aunt May in the MCU.

[@darkhelmet87]

+Dragon Sword well to be fair unlike Bill jemas, I don't think Quesada is a moron, so much as, oh, what's the word I'm looking for........oh yes, a pompous asshat:)

[@ultra6671]

Fun Fact: Thomas Astruc, the creator of popular superhero cartoon Miraculous Ladybug, is a huge fan of Mark Millar's work, and the two are even friends on Twitter. Given how much the romance in that show has been criticized, I can see why Astruc and Millar get along so well.

[@TheLowBrassDude]

Please say you'll review Wanted, Unfunnies and Nemesis! Wanted hurt me in so many ways.

[@j.r.richards9425]

+Lee Anderson Wanted is in need of a desperate skewering, but I would say he should hit The Unfunnies first. He needs to hit the bottom and slowly work his way out. Plus, Linkara should really look at something from Avatar Press, which is the opposite of DC & Marvel. They let their creators do whatever they want... no matter what they want to do or put into their book (it's why Crossed is something that exists).

[@TheLowBrassDude]

What you said!

[@2wingo]

Millar did the premise of "Wanted" a lot better in "Old Man Logan."

[@jakebryant3445]

I think he should require assistance from cinema snob or Diamanda Hagan since some people would consider Nemesis and The Unfunnies exploitation and those two have had experience in reviewing exploitation films.

[@TheLowBrassDude]

Oooh, maybe.

[@TheGoauldApophis]

I heard that if you ask Terry Dodson to autograph Trouble, he actually apologizes to you for drawing it.

[@chs9999]

Mark Miller had to think "hey you know what we should do to bring back romance comics we should have Aunt May and Uncle Ben bang for like six issues and then Aunt May bangs Peter's dad and then it turns out that Aunt May is Peter's real mom and invalidating the entire relationship this is a really good idea"

[@KidSnivy69]

Oh Mark Miller. Probably the comic book writer I'm the most indifferent to. He's written plenty of good stories most of which were under someone else's thumb. When left to his own accord he writes the Unfunnies (which and me question his psyche) and Nemesis (which is basically what if Batman was a villain and even more fucked in the head than the Joker). As for this comic aside from the dumbass retcon (and a bit uncomfortable considering who these characters are), this story's problem is being a boring uninteresting romance.

[@starbrandlives813]

+KidSnivy69 The guy can write, his problem is just that he has the same problem than most teens, "Adults" and DCCU Fanboys have: He thinks adult themes make a story better no matter what. When he just takes things easy, he makes great books. Huck right now is a great story that has none of the usual Millar tropes. And thanks to his mediocre and overated event, we got one of the best MCU movies.

[@j.r.richards9425]

+KidSnivy69 Millar has been getting much better in recent years. With stuff like Superior, Starlight, Jupiter's Legacy, and Huck; I think the worst of this stuff is behind him for now.

[@FNGLHR]

+KidSnivy69 I think the problem with Millar is that half the time, sooner or later, you end up hating everyone in his books or just feeling really sick. I really don't like how he seems to think all readers want the bad guy to win, because while I see that sometimes... it's usually not any bad guys who are the depraved pieces of shit he creates. Even when it isn't superhero stuff, it just feels and crass for the sake of shock value. Now not everything devolves into that, I know, but when Millar goes that path it just gets ugly. His, uh, profile is not helped though by his abysmal job on Marvel Civil War and how he basically assassinated Tony Stark's character for years, basically turning into a cartoonish version of George W. Bush who justifies his actions in the name of security while shoving people into what is essentially interdimensional Gitmo and creating murderous illegal clones of his friends that kill his other friends. Seriously, they should've pulled double duty with the main Iron Man and Cap writers for that one. Everyone started taking sides during the writing for the damn event and no one could keep their characters straight and consistent. I think at least the MCU version will lack the serious case of bullshit from the original source material, but that's because the Russo Brothers actually seem to know who these characters are. Millar just did what he wanted. I hope this isn't too much of a tangent, Civil War has been on my mind recently for more than one or two reasons. One last thing, Mariam Sharpe was a fucking bitch and she should've turned out to be a skrull. She is half the reason that stupid event was so terrible and no one ever mentions her when they talk about it.

[@starbrandlives813]

FNGLHR That is because most people probably havent read Civil War since for some reason they think Spider-Man was in some way important to the story even when Millar himself told everyine he was a Marketing ploy

[@qwellen7521]

He's a hit or miss as creator. His recent work like HUCK has been pretty good (sans the generic ending) but like Garth Ennis he has made good, genre changing stuff, but he needs a leash otherwise he tends to suck.

[@gabrielmurray929]

I found a list of worst Spiderman retcons at dorkly and this was only behind One More Day and the Clone Saga.

[@blixer8384]

You'd be surprised what can be used as grounds for termination in the US. Hell in some states you can legally fire someone for absolutely no reason at all.

[@ElvenRaptor]

I once got fired from a pizza joint because my coworkers kept writing down the addresses incorrectly, ensuring I couldn't deliver any pizzas.

[@RobinDJoker]

16:16 Did this comic just predict social distancing?

[@QuintanaDS]

To be fair, Kick Ass really did deserve being rejected by the girl.

[@GarretTheGator]

1:56 That’s probably the cleanest description of it. There’s so much more and it is SO MUCH WORSE-

[@josethebeast8709]

Oh God tell me you’re joking

[@GarretTheGator]

@@josethebeast8709 Nope.

[@Batmanbeyyond]

This Comic feels like a coma victim wrote this!

[@theotherghostgirl337]

8:03 that is legitimately the start of a bad horror movie.someone gonna die

[@chs9999]

Mark Miller is so bad that even Garth Ennis fans call him an edge Lord

[@arcylano4912]

Sorry Mr. Myers forgot to show up in this Halloween movie Enjoy this shitty romance instead

[@sustelsuk]

I surprise there not other teens in resort like a high upper class rich boy named NORMAN or a shy awkward science nerd named OTTO or a meathead bully named FLINT or a teen that love to do closeup magic named QUENTIN