Film Theory: Marvel Paid $100M for Him... Is it Worth It?

[@CynicalReprobate]

Paying an actor an entire movie budget’s worth of salary just to have them comeback as a different role is the funniest and saddest thing in the entertainment world

[@Jason75913]

not the first or last time it is done, unfortunately I think even sadder is clinging to old, deceased actors using computer graphics to recreate their likeness *cough*disney*cough*

[@itsjustacomment454]

Yeah it's dumb

[@Holy_Bible_Reads_Ai]

Notice his first Role as Iron man was $500,000 and compare that to now he’s making 200x exactly his original salary. On top his original role is 5-10 years working class salary 😂. Dude broke the matrix hope he continues donating maybe a lot more even. Top 1% owns 40% words wealth and climbing

[@IncredibleDude11]

Well in my opinion he deserves every penny. The MCU would not exist if it wasn’t RDJ and marvel expects to hit at least a billion

[@Aegikush]

well, its their money xD

[@theindexfinger3434]

Whats killing the mcu is not the lack of good actors. Its marvels strategy in general; the lack of good writing/directing and the vfx teams being underpaid and overworked.

[@Yog-slagunar]

Amen. Getting story writers for each movies that know 101 story telling. And have an over aching story writer not to oversee but to keep track of the greater story

[@anoopkashyap401]

Yes. I was actually kind of excited for 'The Marvels' because it featured my favorite lesser-known Mutant. I never ended up watching it...

[@PeterGriffin11]

Quantity over quality.

[@o.Froggy.o]

​@PeterGriffin11 unfortunately, that seems to be their approach on things so that they can keep up with the times

[@MattStrike]

I would say they are hiring some irritating actors that don’t help.

[@sofie_morales]

Robert took "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villian" a little too seriously 😭

[@jaydena6297]

I mean, he's doing both, not just one or the other 😂

[@jaydena6297]

You die a hero, _AND_ live long enough to become a villain

[@siebepeters639]

Keuzestres noem je dat

[@robertmilchis5955]

Tony was Dr. Doom in one of the comics

[@jinx1137]

Isn't a quote from ironman 1: "well I say, why not both?"

[@riliapratch]

I just don't want them to make Doom quippy like so many other MCU characters. I didn't care for it with Ultron, I would haaaate it for Doom.

[@Hathur]

Disney's problem: Countless millions spent on the actors..... Meanwhile, around $80,000 to $100,000 for their writers (and even less in some cases). A great actor can't save a garbage script.

[@rei2684]

Fr the writers are carrying the show and they clearly aren't getting near the much for some actors, Marvel really should put the money on his writers and if those big actors want so much money, better decline and look for newer actors better instead wasting a movie budget on someone who fans don't want to him again in this franchise

[@aidenkz]

No they can't save a garbage script but they can still bring in people. Hugh Jackman hard carried the garbage Fox X-Men movies. There are some good ones but most of them were terrible but people wanted more of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine

[@vyor8837]

"the writers are only earning 6 figures for a single movie script"

[@pyerack]

Disney doesn't care about hiring good writers because they 100% believe that audiences do not care about the story, just action and things they recognize. They're only half right.

[@BobtheFixer-tb9jj]

the film industry needs good scripts o keep them going, but at a marvel low point like this, the return of one of the most famous and best actors in marvel history is going to generate them a ton of hype surrounding the new movies. if they want to keep audiences engaged 4 the movies, they will have to make a good or atleast decent script, but they alr dont have a good rep rn so they need big faces to promo them first

[@乂]

The real winner here is Robert himself

[@Sillybilleh]

Agreed

[@dockboys2023]

X indeed 👍

[@PenaEnrique]

shut up bot

[@The_x35]

@@dockboys2023 thank you

[@-CENSORED0-]

@@PenaEnriqueIs your mindset really EVERY verified person you don’t know is a bot? get real.

[@utopia19876]

Okay… but I don’t want to see an evil Ironman that makes Tom holland confused. I don’t want a variant Ironman. I want the Shakespearean magical science dictator that is three steps ahead of everyone and is only limited by his ego. I want Victor Von Doom.

[@KhanMann66]

My theory is Marvel just going to say ironman doesn’t exist in Doom’s universe. And that explains why he looks and sounds like Tony Stark but he isn’t. Still awkward though.

[@RobotronicFIat]

Actually 🤓 there was a comic that stark became Dr doom once

[@superautopenguin2877]

@@RobotronicFIatYou on about the one where doom stole Stark’s body?

[@Aqua-ij3xs]

Yeah, if they’re gonna have Doom as the next big bad, have Doom as the next big bad! Evil Tony Stark is not Dr. Doom. That’s the worst possible decision they could make with the character.

[@dr.unventor]

Exaaaactly

[@golden_gloo]

The whole point of Far From Home was to move away from that man's presence both for the characters and the audience, however the MCU's gotten into a bit of a rut recently without him and Disney like money.

[@Mvethmini]

Imagine Spider-Man's reaction though.

[@nicholassgobero]

​@@Mvethminiidk if spider-man's reaction should be what draws people to like a fantastic four villain

[@deadmeme5491]

13:43 Chris Evan’s being the human torch in Deadpool and wolverine didn’t “only work” cuz it’s different from captain America Chris Evan’s literally played the human torch before being Captain America. It worked cuz it was a fan service call back to the old fantastic 4 movies

[@craigkuhlman6869]

It's a cute call-back to Mr. Evan's previous work before the MCU

[@HolyNamed]

He knows that, he either worded it wrong or forgot but he knows He played human torch

[@Boots_293]

I think head trying to say that the cameo only worked so well because he had played the character before 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@bluefiremarkii]

People didn't care much for his role there. The point was everyone thought he was a captain america variant then his personality was a complete 180 with torch, so it's the fact he played both that made it good

[@sinfulmicrowave]

While I agree that it doesn't "only work" because of the subversion of expectations, it really does amplify his call back.

[@Takerings]

Robert found the infinite money loophole fr

[@spikerex_]

Fr

[@BR-jw7pm]

Marvel 2007: you want to make a blockbuster with this washed-out, has-been?! Marvel 2024: HAVE 100,000,000 TO BE IN OUR MOVIES AGAIN!!!

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@BR-jw7pm The peaks and valleys of an actors life XD

[@Agitated_Biscuit]

True

[@el_perro2436]

IN 1 MINUTE?

[@datchia]

It’s going to be interesting to see if the similarities are brought up between Dr Doom and Tony stark. I mean, Spider-Man JUST got over the whole “everywhere I go I see his face” bit and now THATS going to be difficult when facing the new big bad…

[@gmreye]

True if Spider-Man is involved he may end up having something like a panic attack

[@FNAFer21511]

Doctor doom is usually a masked guy but if the wanted to have him show his face they could make it a multiverse variant. They will hopefully show Doom in Fantastic Four.

[@ChaiTea09]

Give me that confrontation! Pls, Marvel!

[@cod-zombie098]

skibiy mog

[@MrBlue6]

Big fan hiii datchia

[@tamannakarim5418]

Kick paid xQC $150M and he streams on Kick over Twitch I think it was worth it

[@slimfadey6157]

Fr

[@KouriRyu]

Who?

[@somestupiddudewithayoutube4676]

@@KouriRyuNorwegian gremlin

[@charisma7268]

​@@KouriRyuthe king

[@johnmarkson1990]

Robert would only do 100M for marvel. anyone else that wants him pays at least 800M+.

[@SlightAvarice]

IMO making Doom take his mask off constantly would ruin the current image of Doom. His mask is a very large part of his identity taking it away would be like taking iron man's arc reactor.

[@blackkitty420]

Watch it have the same mask off mechanic that Iron man's suit did.

[@RaifuEnthusiast]

Hopefully they understand how bad halo was

[@user-ev2gv9zk2t]

Ik and mcu revealing the actor early on…

[@LinkNinjaMaster]

I bet in the first movie he will have the mask for most of the first act, then will show his face after that

[@alfredo2404]

You could make the argument that the newer actors in the MCU are lacking that X factor, the "royal jelly", the magnetism the older ones had. Either they are mid or good but turn out to be cancelled.

[@BravoSix707]

This isn't about phases or long term plans anymore. It's PURELY short term now.

[@whisper3856]

Welcome to modern capitalism, eh?

[@vyor8837]

​@@whisper3856 as though communists have never done that.

[@abdelrahman788]

​@@vyor8837Both are bad and need adjustments, but we all know that this kind of change will never happen except in our dreams. 😂

[@Preme-TR4]

@@whisper3856the eh is so annoying😂

[@MRtecno98]

@@whisper3856 what does this have to do with capitalism

[@Sjono]

“How would Spider-Man react” That’s the biggest issue I have with this casting. Rather than focusing entirely on his own merits as a villain and his relationship with the Fantastic Four, people wondering how preestablished MCU characters would react over Reed takes away from Victor and just forever have Tony looming over him

[@orlandojosemoraamaya363]

Yeah, but reed by mcu standards is a “new” character cause he wasn’t in phase 1, plus he’s reaction will be the same as always,disappointed, and tense, or shocked

[@o.Froggy.o]

Though you are right, I feel like a lot of people don't want to hear the same story over and over, they want something new, something different and exciting, and this may be exactly what they need

[@Sjono]

@@o.Froggy.o Dr Doom hasn’t been done justice in live action yet. Him being actually accurate to the comics would be new

[@derekg5006]

​@@o.Froggy.othe story hasn't even been told yet. Doom was never portrayed well in the movies ever. The only decent Doom portrayal was in the 1994 movie that was never even officially released This isn't like Batman or Spider-Man's origin story you can just gloss over since everyone knows it, Doom literally never had an opportunity to actually be portrayed well. An actual classic Doom and Reed rivalry unironically classifies as new unique and exciting

[@valley5882]

When your partner cheats on you, many times, you don’t wanna go back with them, no matter what. It feels like they cheated on us, I don’t wanna go back

[@Rollampert]

but you will go back and they know it

[@rooperekila]

This really feels like a marvel desperate "ooh look its the guy u love please watch our movie plz plz"

[@little_moth]

Exactly

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

He's got the talent. He'll defo make it work. And this will draw people back 100%

[@Spyalwayswins]

Or they actually just have an interesting story to tell.

[@rooperekila]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy ofc it will be drawing back people but its shi**ing on the legacy of iron man. Imagine if Christian Bale played the joker in a new dark knight movie? It wouldnt work either

[@magede.9149]

Depends on the story they write

[@pizzalegend23]

bro went from being in jail to having someone pay 100$ million to him

[@ZackaryAsAlways]

Crazy how things happen

[@DeadEye42069]

His tropic thunder arc was crazy

[@asdkotable]

Bro went from being unhireable to getting 100$ million to act. What a glow-up.

[@janmajer4662]

​@@asdkotable Can't say I'm not happy for him

[@PartytimeYOLO]

3:14 not mentioning the allergy death at one of their restaurants, told multiple times about the allergy and told it was safe, only for the wife to die, and when the husband sues, Disney says he cant because HE had a free month subscription to Disney+ years before......

[@BrunoTigerFx]

Just to clarify, Disney doesn't own the restaurant, it owns the building and the land. So, the Disney T&C could not be applied, but, Disney can pay lawyers to do force that. But again, this would be correct if someone died on a Doctor Doom or fantastic four ride.

[@PartytimeYOLO]

@@BrunoTigerFx however stating he can't because of a Disney+ subscription that he no longer has is the issue. the restaurant staff is to blame for the death, but Disney defending themselves like this is sketchy as sh..

[@sillypplproductions2]

THATS WHAT HAPPENED???

[@piplupcola]

Disney can't pay 50k to help a widower whose wife was killed by a restaurant on their grounds but can pay 100 mil to RDJ.

[@advocatusdiaboli9909]

Its also not true that he cannot sue at all. He cannot sue before state courts, but he can go for arbitration. Although unusual for private individuals, arbitration is not so bad and very well used for commercial disputes.

[@calibie]

Everytime I see the dr doom costume all I can think of is the wizard from “The Wizard Of Oz” 💀

[@timon6759]

9:48 I'm gonna disagree by the time we saw Thanos on screen as the villain of the movie we knew he wanted the infistones for something and it wasn't good. They built a mad sense of foreboding around Thanos that was only added to when we saw him win.

[@papabearlives9995]

Yes , the post credit scene in avengers got everyone stirred up and when guardians hit everyone was onboard.

[@XopheAdethri]

We all saw the snap coming from the second we saw Thanos.

[@promaster-qf5wm]

I read infistones are flintstones

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

I agree with YOU, just showing 2 seconds of him builds hype, so by the time he was on the big screen the fans had already built him up because of the footage

[@ProcyonNite]

Exactly. Although we saw him in only short segments, there was still that presence of a looming threat.

[@blacktoothlongwalker1037]

"It's clearly a bait and switch." is what I was saying until I saw the size of his paycheck.

[@iQueue211]

Same! I feel like they will recast after Secret Wars, but the damage will already be done for the average MCU fan who isn't familiar with the comics. They will only see RDJ as Doom and not accept whoever gets the recast.

[@pigeon4481]

10:55 I like the version more where he only got like a small wound but covered his face up because he was such a perfectionist

[@eur0be4t3r]

Kinds like Handsome Jack in Borderlands 2?

[@wv5853]

“No don’t do it” “You fool! Doom does as he pleases” My god I hope they use this version of Doom.

[@calcifur]

Starts video with how Doom is actually a great leader who loves his people Halfway through: "how would spiderman react to seeing him as an evil dictator?"

[@Nero-F121]

he wants to achieve world peace by either a gentle guiding hand or a brutal fist, so yeah, HE IS TECHNICALLY a great leader, but he's also a dictator.

[@GoErikTheRed]

@@Nero-F121he’s a great leader as long as he’s popular. But he does not tolerate dissent

[@SherrickDuncan]

​@Nero-F121 The term dictator is not inherently derogatory. There are benevolent dictators amd there are malevolent dictators.

[@AdrianChazz]

@@GoErikTheRed I would've loved to see Antony Starr's eyes under the mask... If anyone has the Doom hate stare is him.

[@frostingthebirthdayclown3774]

@@Nero-F121 Does that truly make him evil? Or chaotic good?

[@lukethephantomthief]

The second I saw this headline I was like: Yep, they’re getting desperate

[@BrunoTigerFx]

Again, they stil are dealing with Chapek's unfinished bad buisness, so, clean slate, start putting more efford on quality than quantity. Yes, they need a clear path for this and fingers crossed, they can focus on giving us a good start for X-men ...

[@NRA_BRUTISØ]

Average Karen who agrees with someone’s opinion bc they’re famous on KZbin.

[@Dulphin_editz_TDP]

He’s getting paid less than he got paid for endgame. I don’t see it as desperate

[@NRA_BRUTISØ]

@@Dulphin_editz_TDP wait that is true I just noticed that… Yea this is a big Karen then isn’t it?

[@TheCanderemy]

​@@Dulphin_editz_TDPIt aint about the money. Its about his name, face, and reputation with the fans. When I saw the headline, I did think that Marvel's getting desperate as well. That was my first thought, so no 'Big Name Influencer" influenced this initial reaction. They dont know how to re-create what they did in the first phases of the MCU, so they're relying on RDJ (whom they made into a star) because they dont know how to create NEW stars through good movies anymore. Honestly, i think they should stop focusing on getting Big Name Actors and instead focus on good writing for the movie to succeed and let it speak for itself.

[@JojoDrip]

Honestly, I don't understand why they didnt grab RDJ and Make him into superior Iron man and grab someone else as Doom. That would've made more sense since we are doing the Battle world story.

[@gopo9254]

Tom cruise superior Ironman

[@koro_kokoro]

Pick up a comic book, it’s because this happened

[@JojoDrip]

@@koro_kokoro I know iron WAS Dr Doom but I'd there were gonna do Dr Doom, Make it like an original Dr Doom for marvel and not a multiverse version

[@koro_kokoro]

@@JojoDrip if Disney actually wants to start making money again after all the endless colossal failures… they are going to start by playing it safe and stick to the source material

[@christian-0813]

Robert as a villain is truly shocking for me

[@victorjozek5384]

He worked pretty well in Oppenheimer

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

2:27 We’re called “chat” now, not theorists. What has Lee become?

[@amberbolt6462]

We are also called chat in style theory, feels bad

[@jakattack117]

FR I was like what who? Am I on twitch or something 😂

[@catfan2o23]

chat is this real

[@Dr_Idiocracy]

So? Are we not In KZbin chat? We are chat. Chat is us.

[@ENDERPLAYZ36YT]

We are theorists

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

I've never read comics, but I've watched Wiki Weekends, and my favourite thing about Dr. Doom has to be that when he left his house for college, he told his dad "you're the man of the house now"

[@TheGeniusMind573]

YOOOOO thats actually crazy i wish they implement it maybe in a different way in the movie that geniunely cold

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

@@TheGeniusMind573 Agreed

[@Rulz559]

I can’t wait for Lee to become Insane because of the upcoming new MCU Lore 😭😭😭

[@osmosisjones4912]

Pixar created cinematic times by jumping time periods without ever even trying. So why didn't work for starwars

[@aren-u4t]

which one, there is a million lees.

[@Rulz559]

@@aren-u4t Wdym which one?? Who do you think it is??? (I really hope that you’re joking)

[@HeII0_th3r3]

​@@Rulz559i think he was talking about the amount of stan lees in the marvel universe

[@LightKid5754_no_more_z]

There’s a comic book series (The Infamous Iron Man) where, in an alternate universe, Victor Von Doom becomes Tony Stark. Then, he travels to the main Marvel Comics universe (somehow). I think that’s what they’re going for in Doomsday and Secret Wars.

[@spustatu]

I feel like RDJ deserves more build up for his villain than is usually afforded in the MCU. If the first time we see him is in the next Avengers movie, that just seems like a huge mistake. They were clearly trying to build up Kang more than their usual, so I hope they will do the same for Doom.

[@danieljohansson4550]

He has been confirmed to be in the Fantastic 4 movie, though to what extent we don't know. He has also been confirmed to be from their universe. I watched most of "New Rockstars" videos on it and it seems realy reliable.

[@bIametheniIe]

They should've just recast Kang.

[@upg5147]

My problem with this is that the change this is supposed to be to shake things up isn't a change at all. RDJ is an amazing actor and I'd love to see him in more things, but he played his role in the MCU and bringing him back has a lot of negatives outside of the meta of the story. I also an pumped to see Dr. Doom, but having RBJ does feels desperate and instead of paving the way to the future feels like we are firmly clinging to the past.

[@tigrytime658]

I agree about RDJ being a great actor and as much as I’m glad to see him return to the silver screen, I wish it wasn’t Marvel again because he’s voiced his concerns about not being able to get proper roles and it shows with his only prominent roles outside the MCU was Sherlock golems (which is amazing but underperformed), Doolittle which was meh and bombed and Oppenheimer which was amazing and he deserved the awards. I just hope RDJ won’t be shunned from future roles because not only will he play possibly two of the most iconic roles in the MCU or be turned down because this movie is a flop

[@upg5147]

@@tigrytime658 I don't think he has anything to worry about. People know he has talent and that he is never the issues with the movies.

[@junglesus]

For context, in fast five, dom's team spent days possibly weeks preparing to steal 100 million dollars... rdj did it in a room full of suits

[@coolo227]

5:39 did he just say robert doomie jr

[@BeauzieM]

Yep… 🤦‍♀️

[@amberbolt6462]

I guess this is a "joke"

[@BeauzieM]

@@amberbolt6462WHAT A SURPRISE

[@DMIINDSTUDIOS]

😂😂😂

[@ileok6548]

this is the silliest comment ive ever seen ever

[@maxmcculley675]

My first thought with Robert Downey JR coming back was "does Robert want to come back or is he just phoning it in for a paycheck?"

[@stormaggeden]

He looked very tired during the reveal. Im guessing he doesnt actually want to do it but was strong armed.

[@erubianwarlord8208]

@@stormaggeden on the other hand he wanted the role way back when F4 dropped so who knows

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I think it could be a bit of both? I am just speculating, but if I were to guess. The main reason is the money but he definetly has a soft spot for the MCU as it revived his career and will enjoy being back at it.

[@farenhaid13421]

@@erubianwarlord8208 Wait he wanted to be doom way back?

[@silvereaglestudios]

All I hope is that Dr. Doom is not gonna be just a Tony Stark variant and actually Victor Von Doom.

[@ericgieskieng4262]

A Doom that needs Stark isn't worthy of the name and I won't be watching any more of their movies or shows.

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I just think they will make him a stark variant who is named Victor Von Doom

[@CedricDur]

@@erickamakeeaina1649 That seems what it will be. Which misses all the possible points and enters the usual 'what if' stories which are nice to browse but not what made the OG character popular.

[@bigjalapeno7061]

He probably will be Victor Von Doom

[@koro_kokoro]

@@erickamakeeaina1649nah, most likely gloss over the event of the comic where Doom mind swapped with Stark

[@kyson-gl3nk]

11:30 they’ve already confirmed that he is an alternate universe character, BUT he was roommates with an alternate Tony Stark during college, I think. He’ll still be playing the original idea of Doom, and staying as Viktor

[@ThatOtherGuypluh-gu7mr]

“DOOMED?” that’s such a low hanging fruit this is why I love y’all

[@HunterSentinel]

19:49 I still can’t believe they actually have Deadpool running around the Disney parks. I reallly want to watch one of those interaction things, but I’m scared of cringey interactions.

[@BenTheBakedBean]

It’s like the same but it’s weird seeing him family friendly

[@BenTheBakedBean]

Or like no cussing and inappropriate jokes

[@JustACactus616]

@@BenTheBakedBeanThe funny thing is that he still says a lot of questionable stuff

[@Rurik_Luci]

Really shouldn't let that MF around kids without something to keep his morals in line

[@Bustermachine]

I mean, they have 'fascist space goons' running around the parks (Storm Troopers) but I think dead pool being a foul mouthed killer just comes off as more 'real' to people? Edit - I mean yeah, the storm troopers are baddies, but it does make me think a little about how it really is just 'merchandise' as far as Disney is concerned.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

My fun theory is that Dr Doom is going to do a Hush by making his face look like Iron Man to mess with people and make him be popular.

[@Dudeman23rd]

I'd be down for this actually, it lets Marvel have their cake and eat it too. They can do something similar to what they did with the High Evolutionary in Guardians 3: Doom spends most of the movie(s) with RDJ's face, and then it's revealed towards the end that the Tony face is an advanced prosthetic, revealing the classic horrifically-scarred Doom face underneath.

[@ManofactionDevelopment]

Does anyone else here know about the comic wear Dr. doom and Iron Man switch bodies in which Dr. doom becomes Iron Man?

[@ManofactionDevelopment]

Perhaps Dr. doom gets plastic surgery in the MCU to look like Tony Stark

[@ponyphonic]

Fantastic Beasts, anyone? Turns out, Doom is actually Johnny Depp.

[@marquiseh5128]

The body swap comic is demon in an armor

[@imaperson52]

I gave up on Marvel after Phase 4, and am proud to say I haven't seen anything from Phase 5. But I finally caved and saw Deadpool & Wolverine, and while it's extremely flawed, I really enjoyed it, and it singlehandedly convinced me to give Marvel another chance. The next week, I learned that RDJ was back as Dr. Doom. Aaaaaand that was the moment my interest in Marvel's future completely died.

[@Garanseho]

My main issue with RDJ's casting is that Doctor Doom is one of Marvel's few prominent Romani characters, and he is now the third one they've miscast, following Wanda and Pietro. If you were going to do Doom, I would go the Darth Vader route--have a big, strong, intimidating guy in the suit, and get a Roma voice actor to do the voice. Also, if they wanted to bring RDJ back for the nostalgia and story potential, there are better ways to do it than making him Doom. The simplest solution is to have him be an evil Iron Man from an alternate universe--you could combine Superior Iron Man from the Axis event, showing off the awesome EndoSym armor in the process, with the evil Reed Richards variant from Earth-1610, the Maker. Like you said, this could be a Tony that went down a darker path in order to put a suit of armor around the world. This allows for even better story potential than Doom simply looking like Tony, since this alternate universe Tony could have connections with his universe's variants of MCU heroes. Perhaps evil Tony's Spider-Man was killed, so he's just as shocked to see Peter as Peter is to see him. Or perhaps evil Tony's Pepper walked out on him after he turned bad, so evil Tony goes after Earth-199999's Pepper, and she and Rhodey have to fight him off. If you're looking for the nostalgia of an evil Iron Man, having him actually be an evil Iron Man makes for a much better story.

[@greenamber9827]

This is my main concern.

[@Mustafa_AhmedPGH]

You should be the ideas guy at Disney. You think you can pull something off for Star Wars too?

[@Byronic19134]

He’s from Latveria and the Romani and Italian are genetically nearly identical in heritage.

[@Garanseho]

@@Mustafa_AhmedPGH Thanks!

[@greenamber9827]

@@Byronic19134 He's stated to be Romani in the comics.

[@RealMilester1]

13:44 it worked because he played The Human Torch previously and before he ever played Cap. The same thing won't apply for RDJ

[@checkinthebox3263]

And how do you know that? Cuz the movie is hitting 2 bill just off cameos whether u like it or not

[@rebelfriend5172]

🤓👆

[@b3ans4eva]

Chris Evans also played Casey Jones in TMNT & Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim. The dude gets around the multiverse.

[@xavierwashington5408]

RDJ never has to walk out his home again

[@Saren-yc1rk]

Well... He already had like what, $500 million? Not even his grand-grandkids could waste that amount of money unless investing it all in crypto.

[@SylentWhyspir]

Prior to Captain America, Chris Evens did actually play as Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four

[@amateurishanimation]

“You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain” Rdj: how about both

[@PREEM513]

I think RDJr is a good enough actor that he understands not to approach this character the same way he did Ironman. Well……..hopefully.

[@mateokirstine9782]

It’s possible he won’t have a choice, Disney seems pretty desperate

[@lexnight8345]

... bold of you to assume that he might have a word in how he plays the character 😅

[@SyntheticFuture]

I haven't seen much acting diversity in the work he has done so to me he's another on trick pony like captain Jack sparrow... I mean... That dude that always plays captain Jack sparrow. What's his name again...

[@firstamongsuckers23]

@@SyntheticFuturetrying to act like you don’t know Johnny Depp’s name while being on a YT channel about films has to be the most moronic thing I’ve seen this month.

[@GeekZone210]

​@@SyntheticFutureJohnny Depp has some good range on him.

[@VidalMoon]

They are definitely going to have him show his face all the time. I'm not confident that Disney even has a long term plan.

[@bobisconsumed520]

I feel like if they were recasting RDJ, they should’ve recasted him as Ultron. Include scene where Ultron conquers Kang (as Kang is just a human with advanced technology that Ultron could easily hack) in any series and becomes new big bad. Ultron established villain with potential to evolve like he did in comics.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

The Star Wars hotel didn’t fail because people don’t want to do it. It failed because it was an astronomical price!

[@vyor8837]

Wat? No, no one went to it.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

@@vyor8837 Yeah they couldn't even get enough bookings worth even keeping it running.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@vyor8837 because nobody could afford it

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz right… like I said it was ridiculously expensive 🙄

[@silverfoxchain]

Omg I looked the amount and it was $1200 dollars per night per guest and it was a mandatory two day stay O O

[@Moho427]

I remember when it was announced, I was sitting on my couch at home scrolling on instagram and saw “Avengers: Doomsday” and lost it, with Doom being one of my favorite characters I couldn’t believe it, then I read the part about RDJ and pretty much all my hype vanished

[@SebMan121]

Don't worry. RDJ might be wearing a mask for the entire movie and try to hide his face during flashback scenes.

[@posselnathalieetfils5853]

​​@@SebMan121No he won't he's payed 100 millions dollars no way we see the mask for more than one minute

[@daggynight4438]

Literally me. I was never a fan of kang, so I got super excited when I heard doom was replacing him. Then I saw it was rdj 😐

[@momentaryretrospect5967]

@@SebMan121If they did that, there almost no reason to even pay that much to have RDJ play him

[@SebMan121]

@@momentaryretrospect5967 they probably pay him so much just to cover his face.

[@SymbioteMullet]

You've got a point about comic characters resembling their film counterparts... Superman _still_ looks remarkably like Christopher Reeves, and will for ages.

[@golden_gloo]

It does seem a whole lot less planned out and thoughtful now though then it used to be, Thanos was literally teased in Avengers 2012 and it took all the way until 2019 for that saga to play out. Now, they can't even keep Kang down as the villain for a few years or so and suddenly Dr Doom has just come out of the woodwork, who's meant to be the big bad not to soon from now, but there's literally been zero build up for him showing up unlike all the delicate building for Thanos.

[@Commander_Jake]

Cillian Murphy Is What I Wanted, RDJ He's Good But I Always Remember Him As Iron Man

[@melbell0865]

Yeah, RDJ is just too ingrained in the MCU as Iron Man to even attempt at another role here, especially like Dr. Doom; Cillian Murphy would’ve been perfect for the role.

[@AshZy33]

@@melbell0865Cillian Murphy said he was done doing movies for a while or something like that

[@MikeUSA-f7y]

Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Will Smith...

[@Lt_Koro]

@@AshZy33 even there most certainly were other/better actors to choose. especially since you wouldnt have to pay them like 100 million...

[@sinfulmicrowave]

16:13 It makes sense why it works. It's literally what most fanfics are about; taking a character out of a situation or putting them in a completely different one.

[@SpiderBat27]

18:42 Fortnite doctor doom

[@Alright281]

fortnite -william dafoe

[@Oliver0326]

Hot take: If they casted RDJ they should have made him superior Iron Man

[@Shadow0464-ey9eh]

The first introduction of Dr. Doom in the MCU to the audience will be a guy from another universe with the face of Tony Stark...absolutely insulting.

[@TheMsmManiac]

“New mask, same task” -Peter Parker

[@WarneD1]

4:42 you are forgetting that in the comics that Dr Doom was judged by Bast the Panther god who has the ability to see the heart of men and kills anyone who is impure, and Dr Doom survived.

[@mr.phonkie]

doom literally killed his one true love for an upgrade how is that pure😭

[@TheFirstRamenKamen]

Having a pure heart can be a pure evil or pure good.

[@WarneD1]

@@TheFirstRamenKamen This also I think Bast was able to look into the many branches of the multiverse/branching timelines and the only one that the entire human population was happy and prosperous for was the world that Dr. Doom was able to conquer the world.

[@kaeyravelez]

Cillian Murphy would be dope to see in the mcu no matter who he played😅 I honestly think they shouldn't have told us they were bringing him back.

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

2:27 were called “chat” now. Not theorists. What has Lee become

[@ostravamasterson4178]

Hmm i think its lingo, i do miss armored core theories i remember someone making a armored core is underated before ac6 RIP legend 😢

[@helperb0t4]

Nah, chat is y'all is everyone is just another word for a group of people.

[@Fazkrueger]

Bro got KZbin & Twitch mixed up.

[@apollolux]

Anyone who's read the original Infinity Gauntlet saga of comics knew from the moment that Thanos was revealed in the post-credits of the first Avengers movie that the build-up to a competent adaptation of that storyline was _absolutely_ gonna be worth it and pay off. The only genuine disappointment we had in its execution was the lack of Adam Warlock and therefore the change in Nebula's significance during Thanos's actual possession of the completed Gauntlet in order to keep consistent with the MCU's version of events.

[@jakehanson562]

13:35 While it could have been you got that big of a reaction due to it being different, I think a good portion of the cheering was also in reference to the fact that Evan's first character in a Marvel movie was as the Human Torch in the 2005 Fantastic Four movie.

[@anyaaa2801]

Cilian as Doctor Doom would have been cool.

[@Bcrocs]

Alright little theory dump They had a good story idea with Kang and the whole “I’m afraid of myself.” idea with the variants and stuff. What if they adapted and already good running story that instead makes RDJ a better Doom who’s typical ways of trying to take over or do his own thing in his own way reveals he’s trying to stop a more monstrous version of himself in the only way he can see fit, with the movie ending with the big bad doom killing RDJ’s one off. That leaves the cliff hanger going into secret wars introducing our main doom cast member. That would be cool.

[@iQueue211]

HO-LEE-SHEE-IT, THIS IS PERFECT!!!

[@vvFREAKOUTvv]

I like the idea of RDJ being Doom, but I think they should've used this opportunity to have a big reveal and shock moment in the movie. Like have a post-credit scene where Dooms mask is destroyed or damaged where you can tell who he is, than have him fall through a portal in front of Tom Holland's Spider-Man, then we see Peter's shocked expression after quickly removing his mask, and then a close up of his face revealing RDJ as Doom.

[@ericgieskieng4262]

that is one of the main reasons I hate this idea.

[@chedo191]

0:47 I mean, i'd argue that the most recent one was affected by matpat leaving

[@GameCyborgCh]

That would certainly be interesting if Doctor Doom isn't actually Victor von Doom but instead is a variant of Tony Stark. One that never got hit by his own weapons and had to be saved by Yinsen in a cave and bust himself out (which is the whole catalyst for why he stopped making weapons and became a hero) and instead got into a downward spiral and became powerhungry thinking he alone could save and protect the world.

[@henrikvonschneeplestein]

Not really a fan of being called "chat" instead of "theorists" :/

[@cypherx9]

20:45 "In Latveria, we have no lawyers. Only footdive."

[@Pog3817]

Foot….. D I V E

[@BlueAngel008]

Doom is meant to use a mask 99% of the time. So his face really isn't that important when it comes to an actor. They could have used any B list actor to play Doom and completely hide his face. RDJ really shouldn't make a difference other then acting skills. So, sadly, seems like they are going to do something about him being Ironman in the past. Multiverse yada yada yada.

[@koro_kokoro]

Body swap. Just like the comic

[@DeadEye42069]

When Chris said "Flame on!" I actively said "hUh"

[@06yarbrougha]

'The cheer RDJ got was insane'.... with that recording, was it a theater of like 20 people? It might just be the recording not sounding as big as it was, but that was unimpressive

[@Elijahlikechicken]

3:20 I love how this is just a thing that get referenced now 😂

[@KaushikAdhikari]

Mirandasings?

[@Dative420]

It's only 50M each movie, less then how much he got paid for both avengers infinite war and endgame since he got paid 75M for each of them

[@scarletspidernz]

Probably negotiated a bigger backend

[@njanimates]

I personally think the best way to go is make him infamous iron man, that way if they mess it up then all they gotta do is say he was just a version ( kinda a guaranteed bail out )

[@SebMan121]

8:14 I dont think this version of doom is tony stark variant. I think this version is just a doom that looks like rdj.

[@jeremymorris345]

Ya, they already confirmed he is playing a comic accurate Victor Von Doom.

[@SebMan121]

​@@jeremymorris345 People still think this version of doom is a tony stark variant.

[@jeremymorris345]

@@SebMan121 Unfortunately yes

[@racool911]

I think it's Tony but born in Latveria instead of America

[@jeremymorris345]

@@racool911 They already said He's playing Victor not Tony

[@WiseNickVZW]

13:23 or because Chris Evans was Johnny storm in 2007….

[@TuneFormal83]

I really want a "I hate you 3000" line in the movies

[@NinjaMan47]

I don't hate RDJ for the salary because you know Disney was the one who came to him. They are so terrified of their own mess they must have literally begged him to come back

[@resU1109]

I guess I can say Robert Downey JR is very doomed to play the character Alright I will see myself out now

[@DJ0553]

😂

[@resU1109]

@@DJ0553 at least I made your day/night even brighter

[@TheFourthEmperorOfTheSea]

I still don’t know how this will work from a lore standpoint. I really hope they’re not gonna just take the lazy route and say “✨Multiverse✨”, but knowing Marvel, that seems more than likely. I have a lot of probably foolish hope for the MCU after Deadpool & Wolverine and I really want them to keep up the good work, but with Agatha as the next project, it kinda seems unlikely

[@Bman32x]

Does it matter? Marvel takes their bigger name properties seriously. People need to stop acting like they weren’t in tears watching Endgame in theaters.

[@FulminicMantra]

Deadpool & Wolverine worked because Disney corpo hires couldn't get their grimey little hands on it.

[@TheFourthEmperorOfTheSea]

@@FulminicMantraoh absolutely! It gave Ryan the room he needed to poke fun at the current Disney situation and relate to the audience.

[@cameronhodgetts920]

Based on my understanding of the comics, I'd say mind swap. Doctor Doom steals Tony Stark's body. My crazy prediction theory is that John Malkovich is playing an old and dying Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four.

[@TheFourthEmperorOfTheSea]

@@cameronhodgetts920that could be interesting and I really hope that they would go that route rather than the “This is a multiverse variant/anchor being” alternative.

[@heartgrenade8359]

I think that people forget that RDJ is an actor. His whole job is to act like other personalities. Most people only know him as Tony Stark so they think it’s all he can do.

[@ProtagonistVon]

My biggest issue with this, I have face recognition issues(I’m not the only one), by using a same actor they make the already difficult to tell apart situation worse.

[@davethebrave.]

The fact that he paid 100m for him is so much more than what he did in his life.

[@RoseNameMillie]

20:36 Disney doesn’t care, Disney is going to make it anyway.

[@popkorn2640]

Fax ☹️

[@novamarpo3]

As someone who’s typically pessimistic, I can only hope that you’re wrong.

[@JdawgCosplay]

12:10 Spider-Man of all people would probably be the least over reactive over Doom looking like Tony, he's met variants of himself with different faces and much older than him in varying degrees. He might freeze up once or twice but he wouldn't and shouldn't be super confilicted.

[@dracobutwhatever8611]

I disagree because its Tony, someone who acted as a father figure to him. We see how much they rely on each other in Infinity War when Spidey gets snapped away, and vice versa in endgame when we see how much it broke Tony. I do agree though that Spidey will have to get over it after the first or second shock, but I imagine he will be fully stunned the first time.

[@racool911]

But this is also the Peter who tried to save villains from other dimensions. Seeing Tony's face will only make him more eager to try and help make Doom good

[@markstark7366]

Idea: Make a video about the oddly same similarities between jjk and undertale such as, Gojo and sans having the same eye colour, died from a unexpected slash, came back as someone else, having specific control over blue and red, theyre a comedian, had the same blue jacket. chara and sukuna having specific control over red, main attack is slashing, they're usually normal but they own a vessel, chara has 20 levels sukuna has 20 fingers, killed a boue eyes perosn that came back, the fallen angel and the fallen child, Papyrus and geto lose their fate in humanity, got killed from someone they trusted deeply which had blue eyes (gojo and sans) and accepted their death, but came back in a way. Edit: don't mind the spelling mistakes

[@carodaisrybaarz5396]

Please do a theory on Toon Turf

[@jalicenixon]

Yes

[@jaxongreen21]

there’s not enough to do a full video but a short would be nice, I do hope they do a full video once the full series is out though

[@PRESS_START_Official]

Yes yes yes

[@T.M.Y-dragon]

Yesssirrrrrr

[@datchia]

I agree with this statement

[@The_T_Gamer]

they should've hit the reset button

[@cynalic]

13:13 DO WE NOT DO SPOILER WARNINGS ANYMORE???

[@h4cksourc363]

I couldn't pause fast enough 😭

[@Hark_v]

not after a month

[@fxeditors]

Fffff this guy's an idiot matpat was better

[@Pieall1]

​​@@Hark_v I thought the etiquette was until the digital release, but okay then... 🫠

[@cynalic]

@@Hark_v that's not fair for ppl who js didn't have time/couldnt afford to go to theaters, at least wait for digital release. Plus, common courtesy is to always say spoiler warning before ANY spoiler

[@JB-mt9cb]

What if Dr. Doom in the movie is an evil version of Iron-man from a different universe

[@JeffYanzi]

Film theory just seems too optimistic that Spiderman is returning to the MCU

[@koro_kokoro]

It’s cute you think he won’t

[@antoinebugleboy6864]

Ultron is coming back for the Vision TV series. Ultron creates Dr. Doom. We all think it's RDJ. Dr. Doom doesn't take off his mask until a climactic moment. It's...Cillian Murphy. Then Robert Downey Jr. comes back as Tony Stark and saves the day.

[@michaeljefferies2444]

What they should have done: Announce a fake actor for doom who actually plays a different role. Allow the grapevine to leak out that RDJ was going to be in the new avengers films, making people think he is going to be iron man. Then hit the big reveal when the mask is removed that tony stark from an alternate dimension is Dr. Doom.

[@anthonydrawsome3648]

Theory idea: [this is kind of an old movie but still an interesting theory] how would it be possible to realistically stop the unstoppable train from Unstoppable,2010?

[@christopherbanks132]

Denzel could be a better doom ! Imagine omg it’ll be so good