I like both of these techniques - and even though Metallics are often considered a "beginner"-technique, it can be just as complicated as NMM. I like both for their different application possilibilites, always have a big arsenal for each situation! Which one do you like better?
@ReturnFearProject3 жыл бұрын
Algorithm please bless this man and his great content.
@m.s.89263 жыл бұрын
yes... just a useless comment to please the strange gods of algorithm
@linktitt333 жыл бұрын
Amen
@hendrickstrauss33112 жыл бұрын
I'll add one here as well. I'm learning so so much from his videos!
@corymcgarrity75352 жыл бұрын
ill quad that!
@1R0QU0123 жыл бұрын
Subbed. I prefer the TMM model. Starting with steel and washing and glazing to make bronze opened a whole new conceptual landscape for me.
@Seier50003 жыл бұрын
I like the analysis and comparison between the styles. The side-by-side approach helps focus on the technique and results, rather than the figures and the specific minute details. I think there's potential for a series of side-by-side discussions/explorations of colour palettes, OSL, sketch-style, oil/acrylic washes... You could call it 'Dual Wielding' :-)
@PedroSantos-sg9gz3 жыл бұрын
The hidden gems on these vídeos are what i come for. For example those shields and cloals look absolutely awesome. Thank you
@hayseedbyte2 жыл бұрын
I watched this video to try learn to do NMM but instead learned how to make my TMM look less like garbage. Thanks for the video. It was super helpful for a beginner like me.
@nickrogers31113 жыл бұрын
NMM Looks so easy when you watch it, just a couple thin layers getting smaller, brightened up in the middle...somehow mine looks like a sword made of zebra skin..Thanks for the great tutorial, I like the show of varied brush techniques.
@n63565833 жыл бұрын
The TMM is good, but just looking at the NMM figure brings me actual real life joy. It's so gorgeous. I freakin' love this hobby. Thanks for the great content Trovarion!
@srsgoblin3 жыл бұрын
Something I appreciate is your approach to discuss how it's just art. There's no "best." Only results. Showing multiple styles will help people find what works best for their tastes.
@bansheemonger2 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on both TMM and NMM! Great work. Especially the sentence: "NMM is about creating light/dark contrast while TMM is more about creating shiny/non-shiny contrast" clicked for me. Thanks a lot and cheers from Salzburg.
@pentacosttb25653 жыл бұрын
I'm hugely impressed by the skill involved in painting NMM's, but actual metallic paints look better.
@brkfstfd3 жыл бұрын
I have watched a lot of content in the past 2.5 years on miniature painting - I'm serious about it. I want to be great. So I have to be fairly critical internally about the utility of any content I watch as it applies to my goals and I'm good at it. I'm discerning. I know what I'm looking at. This is an exemplary video. It really is and it runs a wide gamut in the ways that it is of the very highest utility. It is in the most exclusive grouping and it is among the leaders of that group. It's basically essential in my book. A tip of my cap to you. Thanks man.
@RichardRae883 жыл бұрын
Maximum effort camera work, love the multi shot brushwork sections of this video
@SPYD0R3 жыл бұрын
Exceptionally good comparison of the two painting techniques to go along with the great video footage. So many mediocre painters with popular KZbin channels that it's a real joy to actually see one of the experts at work! Thank you.
@jeremylems31873 жыл бұрын
I really like the in-depth explanation of how you use the colors!
@Kazther15 күн бұрын
I love this - I bought my paints - loving the look of the TMM Paints, but quickly found out that "really good minis" are painted NMM style. Ever since learning that, I though, "I don't want that, there has to be a way to make the TMM paints look just as good, they are so pretty" - FINALLY this video, you, showed me a whole new world of how to apply TMM on a Mini, and it looks soooooooo good. I honestly like it so much more than the NMM. For me NMM is like a painting become reality which is cool, but your TMM is like the monster frozen and shrunken down. It is exactly how I want my Tabletop Minis to feel. The NMM I love on display pieces that go more for the artistic rather than the realistic. (except for those very few NMM modes I have seen, that took hundreds of hours to paint, and look basically like actual metal. But I don't expect to ever have the time to dedicate to a single model like that. My drea is to have hundreds and hundres of painted models for my D&D campaings.... some day.... probably.... maybe... likey never XD)
@bluefangs8673 жыл бұрын
This really makes me look differently at TMM paints, thanks again!😸
@chucklamb34963 жыл бұрын
Finally, an example that explains both effects so simply, thanks Trovarian I’d like to see how you painted the bone.
@TheChristian013 жыл бұрын
I was impressed how you just put yellow and brown washes over silver metallic, instead of using straight gold. I never thought of this before. Cheers!
@lucycannon67323 жыл бұрын
I know it wasn't the subject of this video, but let me just point out how beautiful your fallen pillars are! They actually look like polished stone, rather than 'grey wash, brown wash, drybrush' pillars! Gorgeous!
@machooth2 жыл бұрын
I fell off the painting train a long while back, and randomly re-discovering you here fills me with bucket loads of nostalgia. I remember really enjoying your Dirz back in the day, and it's only gotten more incredible! I've just gone back to cmon for the first time in years just to have a look at your miniatures again... Not gonna lie, I'm tearing up at some of the memories it's bringing me back. Thank you so SO much for sharing your work!! Fun detail: according to two former R. painters, the actual reason Rackham started doing NMM is that it was easier to touch up the pictures of painted models than TMM. Not that it takes anything away from these artists, their work was stunning in person as well
@-kratos-1526 Жыл бұрын
I am so sad it took me a year to find this video. I have been working so hard on applying NMM techniques to True Metallic paint for almost 6 months now. I greatly prefer your method of starting with the bright metallic and shading down with non metallic. I have been trying to do it the other way. After watching this I switched and the results have been instantly better!! Great video thank you so much!! I subscribed instantly, as I don’t want to miss another thing from you.
@sstinger01373 жыл бұрын
Watching this, I learned how little I use texture in my painting. Everything is smooth and edge highlighted smooth. Bonus points to you for getting two lessons in one!
@robinfox4440 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the in-depth tutorial on how to properly use metallics! I'm not really interested in doing NMM but the methods you described will really make up my game with metals.
@nils4663 жыл бұрын
The direct comparison in one video is a great take! Go on like this good man!
@OriginPainting3 жыл бұрын
Thats a really fun idea. Its great to see the two techniques side by side.
@KrogunDK3 жыл бұрын
I will probably never adventure into NMM. I feel like the time and skill entry to get a good result is enormous. This is a great video!
@docremington15893 жыл бұрын
From mini to mini I get to see, I realise that I’m not a fan of NMM at all. Beautiful minis both, but TMM is my favourite.
@EcopiuM3 жыл бұрын
NMM can be great but I don't think this exact mini/theme is the one to show it off.
@docremington15893 жыл бұрын
@@EcopiuM I really appreciate and respect the skill, the mastery of the technique, but it does nothing for me aesthetically 4 out of 5 times. Even a passably good TMM on the other hand is already cool. But that is of course my subjective view.
@ParanoidPacific3 жыл бұрын
I agree, I think NMM is overhyped. It looks great from the one angle, sure, but from multiple angles, I find that TMM looks better.
@EcopiuM3 жыл бұрын
@@docremington1589 Yes I agree with you. NMM is currently the "in" thing to do but knowing WHEN to use it is the important thing. Most people just slap it wherever once they learn how to do it. Which is fine if they personally like it but yeah.
@alienatedbeing75133 жыл бұрын
I agree, NMM looks better in photos but when you look at the models in real life 3D TMM looks much better, sometimes NMM just looks strange as it doesn’t trick your eyes the same way it does in 2d photos
@bryanm68263 жыл бұрын
alternate title: insane brush control video. Outstanding work Trovarion - the camera work is impressive too. Thanks for sharing once again.
@trovarion3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kevinhayes5173 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this tutorial where we can see the two styles side by side as you paint each “style”….great help in giving us the pros and cons of each approach, and as always two great figures!
@frankjones98393 жыл бұрын
They both look amazing but the NMM is perfection
@Dearion893 жыл бұрын
NMM definitely looks more deliberate, but I still prefer the overall look of TMM. Great video!
@perfidy11033 жыл бұрын
I think where NMM really shines is in display pieces designed to be viewed from a specific angle. Here it can look amazing, double so when you understand the time and skill involved in doing it well. For minis designed to be viewed from multiple angles, e.g. tabletop minis, NMM can look odd since at certain angles the reflections won't make sense. You can round this somewhat using the four light sources technique that Darren Latham describes in his NMM article, but it's not perfect. TMM on the other hand won't produce as striking results (in my opinion at least), but the reflections obviously change depending on the viewing angle so it'll look decent regardless of angle.
@pk-vk3oc3 жыл бұрын
You’re super talented and the miniature art world is lucky to have you joining it full-time. You 100% have this.
@eufrosniad994 Жыл бұрын
I stumbled across this video by accident, but the non-metallic metal painting here was amazing! I found myself liking the NMM version much more in your work.
@martinweber29573 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. I am also glad for your approach to give both techniques their place in miniature painting
@Frostyeel3 жыл бұрын
Cool TMM glazing method. Love the demonstration of how the paint comes off the brush using your nail or the paper towel.
@JMS1183 жыл бұрын
Ow and NMM is totally it for me,between these two,but both are awesome!
@beemo15792 жыл бұрын
Just love your videos Mr Trovarian. Easy to understand, and the depth of knowledge is so appreciated. Thankyou.
@Fandebonsgrateurs3 жыл бұрын
Hey Algorithm, this video is great and you should promote it!
@andrewlavinin72993 жыл бұрын
omfg, new video already, glad to see you again
@midamida2659 Жыл бұрын
I must say this video helped me alot on my nmm journey right now. Thank you
@shanepurcell81163 жыл бұрын
To me, the winner comes down to the static nature of the NMM. I love picking up a model and having the reflections change as I rotate the figure around. I like changing the lighting and watching it change the figurine. So I prefer more real world metallic techniques.
@miguel54273 жыл бұрын
Even though the goal of the video is to compare NMM and TMM I found it to be a very clear and quick tutorial for each, love it!
@trovarion3 жыл бұрын
sure, it was meant as both of that :) comparison and quick tutorial.
@kaikropp32543 жыл бұрын
Great and super helpful video!! As always! I like the new format and editing
@bkromatic59213 жыл бұрын
Such a deep level of understanding put into a palatable way for learners of all levels.
@hendrickstrauss33112 жыл бұрын
This videos has shown me as a beginner so many ways to just spice up my true metal painting. The effects washes and shading on metal can achieve is amazing. So much to learn still. Thanks for these amazing videos.
@chim3ric4l3 жыл бұрын
They both look amazing in their own way! It's really helpful to see a side-by-side of the same mini with the different styles to really drive home the potential applications for each method.
@paultheyorkshirereaperjone33103 жыл бұрын
Wow watching how effortless you paint nmm is amazing, great video as always
@SmallSoldier3 жыл бұрын
Great video m8! Lots of awesome tips on painting NMM and TMM. I'll definitely be trying some of these on my figures. Cheers!
@llmuzikeroll3 жыл бұрын
Let's comment, the world need to see this! Awesome content man.
@JMS1183 жыл бұрын
Original video! awesome skills as always! I saw your last vod,and hit that Bell, gonna help as much as i can!
@dracosummoner3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video, and thank you also for posting such a comprehensive list of your gear and equipment in the description. I tremendously appreciate that as well.
@BattleCamperHome3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you so much. Whilst NMM is shinier that almost gives the skellies a creepier look, with the big contrast between light and dark it looks like they shining reflecting moonlight. Love it.
@timbrogren73303 жыл бұрын
It was really interesting to hear your opinion on which situation NMM and TMM was more suitable
@Grimdankemperor2 жыл бұрын
I love how watching this video makes the process of NMM seem so achievable (to someone with little painting skills), when really it’s just your amazing talent shining through. Awesome video man thank you!
@benrichardson5662 Жыл бұрын
I like when you pointed out how non metallic glazing adds contrast to the scheme. This is a relief for me because I'm trying to paint a Caladius Annihilator and glazing down the gold has proven to be an ordeal with metallics so I'm glad to hear that using standard colors is a viable alternative.
@Wijkert3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the video's I have been looking for! I like to paint TMM and love to see how a very good painter uses them. I realize I might be avoiding learning NMM, but looking at the results you got I like the TMM better. So will try to get better at that first. Also for army painting it makes more sense to use the faster method.
@turtlemop87122 жыл бұрын
Really love NMM. Also love Rackham confrontation minis! More people need to know about them
@caseyfrechette3 жыл бұрын
Mad respect and love for using recast in your bases on this and the Void Dragon. I suppose that showing how to recast sculpts to enhance your bases is why GW doesn't send you stuff anymore. Way to have huge balls and just do it anyway. TUTORIAL BRAVELY
@bbtdltd80813 жыл бұрын
Im excited to see more videos and to learn more about your process and creative vision when you paint
@ButterflyisNabi3 жыл бұрын
I got a lot out of the final comparison, I hadn't even considered the non metallic vs metallic as being anymore than a personal preference but that has changed now. I'm a photographer by trade and now I can see how my lighting skills can influence my minis. Many thanks!
@HaWior3 жыл бұрын
A 1:1 comparison of TMM vs. NMM on the same miniature is a good Idea to show differences. Great work. I like the armour and cloak of the NMM model and on the TMM model the shield. :)
@granthatton7423 жыл бұрын
The control you have over your paintbrush is unreal. Make it look so easy, like just dab a tiny bit of paint, boop boop boop, whereas my ham hands are smashing big blobs accidentally all the time haha. Great video though!
@myluresstuckinatree21113 жыл бұрын
This shows that even if you have the technical ability to paint the NMM style you still need to know where to place the reflections and what colours will sell it. Also shows that TMM can be taken to a much higher level than I have ever attempted. Thanks
@13Robzilla3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely crushed it with this one. Great work and thanks for sharing.
@gomezzara_creative3 жыл бұрын
Uncle Trov! Loving the new format and really happy you go full in into it! This kind of comparisons are marvelous! Thank you so much!
@lisaschmidt18073 жыл бұрын
I agree with the fact that NMM is more fun to paint and it is so rewarding when you manage to pull it off. But especially on Warhammer minis I sometimes prefer the TMM because I like a grittier look. It creates a diffrent atmosphere and tells a diffrent story.
@Rulo7093 жыл бұрын
Agree
@stefan0202902 жыл бұрын
Really depends. I am a below average painter. The moment I pick up metallics, my results look infinitely better. I would never try NMM because I lack the skill and patience to achieve that. So especially for beginners, metallics make painting a lot easier.
@aarongray79663 жыл бұрын
Great job, I loved this side by side approach. This also gave me some new techniques to use with TMM, so thanks!
@aaronjex79433 жыл бұрын
TMM for the win. Fantastic first vid Trovariion!
@oscargarciahinde42473 жыл бұрын
Never seen such a direct comparison of both techniques. Great video mate. To my eyes, great TMM has always looked better than great NMM and this video reinforced this notion. Needless to say you are a master at both!
@truzar1002 жыл бұрын
this is such a great video showing the results of both and a great guide on trying to get the best out of both techniques. just starting to try and get better at NMM. thank you
@GDPanda693 жыл бұрын
I like this format a lot. Nice job!
@dradney3 жыл бұрын
You are my favorite miniature painting KZbinr. Great video yet again
@crashingatom67553 жыл бұрын
I see so many people use TMM, but it's so hard to add or take anything away at that point. Also, thanks for all the work you do!
@legendofzeldaforlife83743 жыл бұрын
Fantastic start to your new career! 👏 I enjoyed your analysis and can't wait to see what else you have in store for us!
@quizcanners3 жыл бұрын
I would watch more of this sort of videos. Testing and comparing techniques, something I probably wouldn't try myself. Always wanted more "scientific-ish" painting videos.
@rhag13943 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great comparison. I'm blown away particularly by the TMM version. Looks fantastic!
@SculptingIndonesia3 жыл бұрын
thanks bro for the tutorial. i got the point. hope you success forever
@tx71402 жыл бұрын
I had always seen the metallic vs NMM question as being a set of trade-offs; metallics will look good from any angle due to the reflections changing with the ambient light, whereas NMM highlights are in a fixed position and look best from specific angles.
@redbeardie3 жыл бұрын
So interesting! Love the comparison, love watching you paint, love marvelling at how good it looks afterwards 😁
@maximilian35443 жыл бұрын
Great video! From my own experience TMM can be a beginner's trap because it actually requires a lot more skill to pull it off correctly than most expect - since it gives fast results that look ok to the untrained eye quickly, but requires absolute mastery to look great. When I started out painting miniatures I ruined a bunch with sloppy TMM coatings. Meanwhile NMM seems a little harder at first but tends to get easier with enough experience, so it's more of a allrounder technique and I prefer it for a more controlled and unified look.
@thomasfitzsimmons22673 жыл бұрын
So many great things go learn here. I couldn't name just one thing that I took from it the video.
@paulh92933 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Gave a really interesting inside and I will most definitely reevaluate my metals.
@andrewmilligan56563 жыл бұрын
Both incredible results. Love your techniques. Thanks for sharing.
@minipaintinjohn44903 жыл бұрын
Loved this one! Both models look so good and you showed the process very well. I can see using the TMM method for batch painting armies. Really learned a lot. Thank you sir.
@DoomDiveryaha3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. Great to see an objective look at two techniques that aim to do the same thing side by side. I loved hearing your thoughts on the pros and cons of both rather than being super heavily focused on one and why it is 'better'. Looking forward to seeing more content from you in the coming months
@YouAreAsleep2 жыл бұрын
Nono. Unconsciously worked. Love the videos my dude! Learning a lot!
@SpontaneousSquiggle3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and results, if all of your full-time youtubing content is to this standard this will be a great ride. Best of luck!
@AL-jo6wh3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video and reasons why for both. Best of luck in going full-time
@MiNDmaZing3 жыл бұрын
Both look stunning, i tend to like the tmm more
@MrPizzamoe3 жыл бұрын
I recently played around with a lot of metallic paints - mixing them with inks to paint regular power armor. Tried an ultramarine, a black templar and a salamander and I gotta say: I enjoyed that SO much. Sadly it was way too much work for an army project. But i found a tmm silver mixed with inks is an incredibly different, fun and awesome looking way to paint good old regular space marines. It makes them look very interesting and by mixing in black/dark inks you can use the tmm colours really similarly to how you would use regular paints.
@CargoChuck3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I appreciate the objective look at the "metallic" look. I'm still getting used to painting NMM, but the control it offers over the final look has me hooked.
@stuartharrington56743 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the new endeavour 🍀🤞🍀🤞🍀
@CosmicFrogX10 ай бұрын
I really liked the tips how to make metallic paints look better 👍
@Elfhelm3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, top quality as always!
@anibalgonzalez79903 жыл бұрын
A really nice high-end comparison.
@jamesford79373 жыл бұрын
Blessed be the creator of this goodness
@flexalex013 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thx. I prefer metallics, a always have lots of fun toying with the pigments.
@andreyp28103 жыл бұрын
So detailed, useful and interesting guide! Watched it at a single breath. It is one of those when you don't want miss a thing. It gives understanding of techniques not from visual side but from within of the process! Thank you a lot for such a great video!
@jimostlund21663 жыл бұрын
Best of Luck with going full time KZbinr! Yet an other great Video. Inspiering me to struggle on with the NMM.