TROY (2004) MOVIE REACTION | FIRST TIME WATCHING

TROY (2004) MOVIE REACTION | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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[@michaeljames6817]

In the actual mythology, Menelaus did love Helen and he actually did take her back and they lived happy ever after.

[@MegaMilenche]

For real?

[@Number_99]

@@MegaMilenche yup, you should give the original Iliad a read. It’s worth it

[@raziel6896]

In the Iliad it explains how Helen was seduced by Eros if I recall correctly and given to Paris after Paris voted for Aphrodite as the most beautiful goddess. Helen was happy with her life before the gods got involved and made a mess of things.

[@MegaMilenche]

@@raziel6896 Ugh, yes, gods and goddesses doing problematic things in Greek mythology :D

[@MrJethroha]

And Menelaus has a whole book dedicated to him guarding Patroclus's body because the Trojans were going to despoil it the same as Achilles later did to Hector. In general, this movies goes out of it's way to make things more black and white.

[@samstall9173]

According to legend, Achilles' mother was Thetis, a sea goddess. That's why he's so strong. And why she knows what's going to happen to him. She's always known. Also, the group of Trojans that escaped at the end of the movie would (according to legend) voyage all the way to Italy and found Rome -- which would one day conquer all of Greece. So, revenge.

[@kevinprzy4539]

and they commit the same barbaric practice upon the peoples of Germania and then Rome is sacked by them lmao kind of full circle

[@georgeprchal3924]

Also his father Peleus was considered so strong and mighty that only he and Achilles could wield his spear.

[@CrazyNikel]

@@kevinprzy4539 Lmao the projection. Germania was ran through by the Romans peak mode :)

[@lewstone5430]

@CrazyNikel Learn your history. Rome lost Germania in 9 AD during the reign of their first emperor Augustus, after the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. If you don’t know this battle it shows you’re a novice in Roman history, or simply a worthless troll.

[@greeklow71]

you forget the most imortantt thing troyans were also greeks of Anatolia (Asia soil) so this war in a way we can say it was the first greek civil war in history that also explains why greek and italians are almost the same (one face one race) iam greek and i know better my history from foreigners that are not so well informed for the details of this war but this detail says it all not to mention that almost one third of italy is of ancient greek origin

[@geraldjackson3921]

This thing is actually supposed to have happened That's why Achilles said he was immortal because 1000s of years later we still know his name And where the arrow hit him and the foot is why they call it the Achilles heel

[@binxbolling]

The war happened, but all the characters are fictional and come from the story The Iliad.

[@jacobwalsh1888]

It has to be said, in the Iliad, Helen only falls in love with Paris because Aphrodite herself enchants her. In the original story, Helen and Menelaus were in fact happily married. He was her choice.

[@LeeB442]

remember, this isn't just a film, it's Greek mythology, the actual stories are thousands of years old, you never heard of "Achilles heel"?

[@shinrapresident7010]

Sadly, they don't teach European history in inner city American schools. You know the Frankenstein's Lab react channel? They didn't even know what the Holocaust was.

[@koffeekira]

I wouldn't say it's Greek mythology, it's very vaguely based on the Iliad but I do love the movie a lot and it is what got me interested in Greek mythology all those years ago.

[@CChissel]

@@mikelarsen5836 that’s quite rude, why would you say that? Not everyone knows or has an interest in Greek mythology, nor should they be expected to, do you know about culture and mythology in India? What about Africa or Peru? Hmm?

[@andrewlustfield6079]

@@koffeekira Agreed---it's loosely based on the Iliad (much better in so many ways), and at first I was pretty disappointed. But this movie has grown on me over time. I really think the writers did the best they could with the time-canvas they were given. It's too bad Troy Fall of a City fell flat in so many ways, because I think they really had the space and time to carry it off---and it's failures amounted to poor directing and script writing. There were far too many little asides, which could have been corrected if they had stuck to their Homer. The cast was talented and did what was asked of them. The actor who played Agamemnon in that did such a good job in how he wore the grief over the sacrifice of Iphigenia like a ten ton bolder that had been placed in his chest. Brilliant personal performance.

[@andrewlustfield6079]

@@mikelarsen5836 It's clear these two ladies haven't been exposed to a lot of ancient Greek mythology. But then again, everyone gets to have a first exposure, chief. Don't make a first encounter and learning a turn off with arrogance. I can think of a lot worse first exposures to the story of Troy than this one. The best of them would be Michael Wood's brilliant "In Search of the Trojan War," documentary on the archeology of Troy. Very few documentaries are as magical as that one, but the way he weaves Homer and the information about the digs---just incredible. But this movie is far from the worst introduction.

[@zippyparakeet1074]

49:12 This guy is Aeneas who is said to have led the Trojan survivors to Italy, centuries later these survivors- under two brothers, Romulus and Remus- would go on to found a small, very insignificant hamlet called- Rome.

[@krustyman5151]

Thats crazy, ive heard a lot about the romulus and remus brothers because of the new alien movie, never knew they come from the survivors of troy. Thats pretty cool

[@1bbasket]

“That guy is so strong.” Ajax: so strong they named a cleaner after him.

[@eleniasimop]

...and a great football team!

[@arfbark3924]

Stronger than all Grease.

[@anibaldk]

@@arfbark3924 Insanely underrated comment. You have my like!!

[@Navesblue]

That even Deadpool uses.

[@bloodhound9246]

@@arfbark3924 sheesh,my man.

[@andrewlustfield6079]

Just as a heads up, in ancient days, the capture of a city frequently meant the population would either be wiped out of taken as slaves. Losing a war often meant you lost everything. Not always, but frequently.

[@whitewolf288]

Achilles vs Hector is one of my all time favorite scenes in a movie.

[@gergosoltesz3568]

My favorite characther in this movie was Hector!

[@JohnLoutsenhizer]

Absolutely. Achilles is the "dream" warrior that everybody aspires to be. Hector is the actual dream that everybody SHOULD aspire to be.

[@dillanwalker4806]

It's said that after the Greeks sacked the City of Troy they awoke the next morning and couldn't look at each other because of the things they'd done.

[@charles7836]

You guys are super polite and sweet. I wouldn't be surprised if your channel grows very quickly. This was a good reaction.

[@valeskacanas9187]

This! I love their reactions :)

[@HonestOpinions4u]

Second this

[@JohnLoutsenhizer]

Yeah. I will watch them more for sure. They aren't loud or fake, they don't talk too much and they seem to genuinely be into the movies that they watch. Good times.

[@danielhaynes2373]

The classic example of "A Greek Tragedy".

[@technopirate304]

19:36 Achilles let Hector go because he recognizes a great warrior when he sees one. He knows he is an honorable man fighting for his country despite the messed up crap his brother did. I think Achilles also sees that Hector is a warrior who does not love war. He doesn’t fight for glory and he can respect that despite his flippant outer attitude. Also he wanted to be able to kill Hector in front of an audience not in the dark. Later after Hector is dead, Achilles cries over his body and calls him brother.

[@MsFeco12]

Dude Hector was straight up running from Achilles. They ran around Troy 3 times before Achilles could finally cut him down. In the movie they gave Hector some justice.

[@technopirate304]

@@MsFeco12 I was referring to the movie version. I know Hector ran like a fool in the classic story

[@CrazyNikel]

@@MsFeco12 Relax, we have *zero* evidence of Troys epic battle. You speak as if you stat facts, but you just spewing *vitriol.*

[@MsFeco12]

@@CrazyNikel Well thats the source material. I trust that more than some hollywood adaptation. What do you mean facts? XD yes i state facts because this is excatly in the book.

[@lewstone5430]

@@CrazyNikel there’s *some* evidence of this battle, like the ruins of an ancient city many layers deep on the supposed site, and evidence that it was all burned to the ground around the general time frame of the battle.

[@janzeman3777]

Great video ! This movie actually has 2 Lord of the Rings actors.. Orlando Bloom (Legolas) Sean Bean (Boromir)

[@dimitriosales]

The Dwarf Gimley too, Or what ever his name is.

[@shalashaska3930]

@@dimitriosalesnope

[@gregorysabbagh3746]

If for nothing else. this movie with Peter O'Toole humbling Achiles with only his words is classic. Achiles couldn't help but respect Priam, so much so that he gave up Hector, he gave up Briseis, and he told Priam just by speaking to him that he was a far better king than the one he was fighting for.

[@darkzer0670]

To quote Tucker and Dale vs Evil ""I should've known that if a guy like me talked to a girl like you people would end up dead" 😁

[@harryrabbit2870]

I had to smile when you mentioned how handsome all the Trojans seemed, even King Priam. To see the actor who plays King Priam as a young man, watch "Lawrence of Arabia." It's an Oscar-winning movie and one of the most cinematically beautiful films ever made and features a young Peter O'Toole. You won't regret watching it, if you've never seen it before.

[@Chris-eh8mi]

I was introduced to Lawrence of Arabia when the film Prometheus came out. This scene was enough reason on its own for me to want to watch the movie: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqe0h5yGd6aphs0

[@willisryan4576]

And it's pretty short!

[@thunderspear2251]

2:42 That strike is actually anatomically correct, too. If Achilles' sword is long enough (which it is), it can actually go down between the shoulderblade and collarbone, directly piercing the top of the heart. And since it's all soft tissue, a sharp sword just slides in and out with barely any resistance.

[@Styxswimmer]

I learned that in the marine corps. They taught us a LOT of anatomy for proficiency in killing. They even said "don't shoot the skull ". It's your brains natural armor plating. If you want a guaranteed kill, shoot the heart.

[@proosee]

Uhm... the heart, shoulderblade, long sword... Well, I think cutting carotid artery is pretty enough to kill a man lol

[@kilipaki87oritahiti]

Btw as a fellow LGBTQ+, and a POC, you’re my new favorite react channel! I love your reflections and that it’s not just senseless babble and gibberish. And even if you don’t know anything about what you’re watching you’re smart enough to figure it out without dumb ass remarks as many others do on these react videos. You’re also a stunning couple, much love from Norway to you❤️

[@JynxRyl]

We appreciate you 💜

[@ChimkenRiceNuggy]

I hated Paris so much. Yeah, he killed Achilles at the end but still, he is a coward bastard. I'm giving him points for Hector's revenge that's all.

[@13dg]

and if we think deeper about the "hector's revenge" part, the true culprit of his death was Paris himself, since all that mess was caused by him.

[@shyamsunderbudithi6691]

You guys don’t know Trojan horse story, what did you read in school

[@stormbringer2840]

I don’t think they read in school now .

[@greyambrosia]

since you guys enjoy reacting to historical/war epics i'm going to list other ones that you might like: 300 (2006) 300: Rise of an Empire The 13th Warrior (1999) Beowulf (2007) The Northman All Quiet on the Western Front (2022)

[@irolayan]

All Quiet on the Western Front hurt my heart more than any war movie since I saw Saving Private Ryan when I was young. Absolutely stunning cinematography and directing, but damn was it brutal

[@speggeri90]

A rather comical to claim any of these films have anything to do with history. They are shlock. Only 300 is good, but again not historical.

[@flyonthewindshield3653]

So first off you have the "Trojan Horse" a historical event whereby the Greeks sent a wooden horse as a peace offering to the Troy people, second the arrow that passed through Achilles heal gives us the "Achilles heal" today it was his downfall.

[@technopirate304]

Trojan horse and Achille’s Heel two terms we still use to this day.

[@jamiemeshire]

Trojan horse was such an incredible strategy.

[@-NOCAP-]

If you haven't watched it yet I strongly recommend watching 300. I think you will both love that movie.

[@SethBarbrick]

Actually they found the ruins of Troy so it's wasn't entirely a legend

[@trep8387]

Great reactions ladies ..see you were thinking it out ! Great story glad you enjoyed it

[@TocadaLeitura]

The dialogue between king Priam and Achilles, in Iliad, is one of the most extraordinary in literature!

[@tomdemay6147]

The ending is based on a somewhat historical event. The whole war was somewhat historical but this movie is based on the books / poems of Homer who mythologized the war and the heros. The whole point of the war for Achilles was for the honor / glory of battle and this became a big part of future greek culture influencing Alexander the Great and others. At the end when Paris escapes there are myths from other cultures such as the Romans who tied themselves to this story by claiming Paris and Helen were their ancestors in a way that when they fled and relocated.

[@bluebird3281]

No, that was Aeneus whom Paris gave the sword of Troy. He founded Alba Longa and his great great+++ grandsons were Romulus and Remus who founded Rome. Paris was killed after killing Achilles. Helen was never actual in love with Paris. Paris was a judge in a beauty contest Between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite, they all tried to bribe him, but Aphrodite promised him the love of the most beautiful women in the world, Helen. Helen was enchanted to love Paris and it wore of after a while. Menelaus survived and reunited with Helen after the war in both the Odessey and in the Roman work The Aeniad by Virgil. The Romans even believed that the Trojans were their ancestors who left Italy to found Troy and then returned there through Aeneus centuries later. Aeneus was the son of Aphrodite, so the Romans claimed her as an ancestor.

[@tomdemay6147]

@@bluebird3281 thanks for correction.

[@matthewm9342]

Couple cool facts which may have been stated: 1) Patroclus May have been Achilles cousin/brother but most believe he was Achilles lover. 2) after Achilles killed hector he dragged his body around the city for 2 weeks shouting about how he killed him and how all the gods see hector for a coward 3) the coins on the eyes are for the boat man which in Ancient Greece it was the boat man who would bring you to the underworld to be judged if you didn’t have money you’d wander aimlessly. 4) it was said 2 boys who’s survived the fall of Troy would get into a boat and land in Italy, there they created a town called Rome. 5) Odysseus was said to be the son of Athena, and she gave him the idea for the horse. Poseidon being the creator of the horse took offense to this and caused his ship to go awry on his way home thus beginning the odyssey.

[@johnnyavalos9109]

Homer never mentioned of Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Many peoples have rumors about them a myth.

[@scottdarden3091]

Immortality? While you can't live for ever, your name can Achilles proved that! A part of every human, including you and every human to come has a body part named after him! I'd call that immortality 😊

[@Edzone1]

Well done girls! "Wait there are two women" "Yeah, you didn't notice"😂😅

[@kylespeirs6510]

Girls, you both are smart and get the storyline. Jyn, you are gorgeous

[@pvtj0cker]

Menelaus just attacked Troy because he knew Priam was played by an English actor.

[@andreasgr1740]

Great movie but, as almost every American movie, has some inaccuracies.Menelaus and Helen were on a happy marriage but goddess Aphrodite made her love Paris since he claim her the most beautiful goddess among Hera and Athina. Agamemnon and Menelaus did not die in the war, actually Menelaus took Helen back to Sparta. Also Hector did not kill Ajax, they were actually draw and Ajax had the upper hand!

[@KingRat71]

The thing no one ever realises is that death by melee weapons is rarely ‘instant death’. You get a spear or arrow in the chest. Or slahsed or stabbed with a sword and you slowly bleed to death while in shock. You dont die instantly unless your brain or heart is destroyed. These are suffering deaths while unable to do anything becuase you are in shock.

[@rodlepine233]

This one shows a climactic moment in the Trojan War, when Achilles, roused out of his silence by the killing of his friend Patroclus, kills King Priam's son Hector. Incensed with wrath, Achilles takes his vengeance a step further, and drags Hector's body from his chariot around the walls of Troy.

[@RC-ie5ru]

It’s a tragedy called The Iliad so everyone is basically supposed to die. Odysseus doesn’t and his travels back home after the war become The Odyssey. Achilles is half god but main weakness is his heel, hence our term Achilles heel. The Trojan horse is probably the most famous portion of the story.

[@865style]

Achilles heel came about because his mom a Greek god held him by his ankle and dipped him in water which made every part of his body immortal. EXCEPT his Achilles/ankle area that did not get dipped in the water. Achilles desires became reality because the world still speaks his name.

[@caliphofbosnia]

That’s how barking to each other contest between Greece and Turkey started I guess lol

[@angelkanul4415]

I have a question who would win in a fight Achilles or Maximus of movie Gladiator?

[@darkzer0670]

Achilles easily. He's a Demi-God.

[@shinrapresident7010]

Historically, what Agamemnon was doing for Greece was actually very prosperous. Greece was made of ''City States'', essentially singular cities who had their own armies and governance like Athens and Thebes. This however made Greece weak against a single, unified army like the Persians or Romans for example. Agamemnon saw this weakness and resolved it. Now, Greece was still ruled by Greeks instead of by an outside force.

[@willisryan4576]

Yes, how charitable he was to make sure he was the one to rule over all of Greece.

[@shinrapresident7010]

@@willisryan4576 Every city state still governed themselves, he was simply hegemon. Whether you like it or not, history proved this methodology correct with the Persians and Romans. City states are only good against other city states, they are powerless against empires.

[@wesdean9128]

It's just amazing to me that so many reactors have never even heard of the Trojan Horse.

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

15:03 because Achilles was bisexual, the film chose to portray his bisexuality with the close relationship that he had in the film with his cousin. Recently, there was a shift in the accepted dogma, with more historians accepting the fact that Achilles and Patroclus's relationship was more than simply platonic.

[@alejandroblanco7369]

Purple is royalty blue is wisdom and strategy also Poseidon and Athena

[@rodlepine233]

that is Ajax is a mythological hero in Greek legend. He is also known as Ajax the Greater. He was a son of Telamon, who was the king of Salamis. Ajax is described in Homer's Iliad as a man of great stature and colossal frame, second to the Greek hero Achilles in strength and bravery

[@CChissel]

Troy was supposedly a real place, but we do not know if this particular battle ever happened. What we do know, is that many battles over thousands of years took place at Troy. It was a very important place for trade, as it stood between two great civilizations, that being Greece and Egypt, they were also renown for their horses and training of said horses. Troy had been conquered many times, and then rebuilt many times, and there is evidence there was a great fire that burned the city at some point, the only knowledge we have of who may have conquered them, battled there or inhabited it are some Hittite writings/messages in regards to Troy found at or near the site. That’s really all we know for sure, the rest are from stories and poems written of it in later periods notably, the most famous come from Homer, but I really like the Greek poet Stesichoros, though he is much less famous, even in his own time (we think) as not many of his works survived.

[@karlmoles6530]

For thousands of years it was thought Troy was a Greek myth, until the city was discovered. The 3000 year old books written about the war for Troy and it's aftermath, The Illiad and The Odyssey are the basis from which all Western Literature came.

[@maxKP51]

Its true what you about people expecting soldiers to come back and be "normal". In Rome standard service was 25 years so being a solider was a lifelong commitment. My friend was is an ex royal marine and has always wanted to be a soldier, he still chooses to live in a house on military grounds with his wife who is ex air force. Being a service man or woman is a lifestyle choice that can have permanent consequences but if you are around people who understand it makes a massive difference in my opinion even if you haven't got ptsd etc.

[@toddjohnson5176]

Phenomenal as always. ❤🩷

[@93deadpool]

You all should try listening with your ears rather than your mouths next time. You’ll hear more of what the actors are saying if you do that.

[@joedirt688]

"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus

[@juniorbrown8701]

Hector is the best in the show…he do everything which is right…I just wish is father would listen.

[@asoiafan]

My favourite character was Hector (mainly for the love he has towards his family and people), but my favourite scene is when Paris runs away instead of accepting his death. Usually we see those men being brave and doing heroic things, and they do not often show the fear they must feel. With Paris, we see he is trembling and that he refuses to die even if people see him as a coward.

[@AKarnold1010]

This movie pisses me off. Hector was a good man. And he fought his pussy brother's battle over a woman. I hope he's happy with himself

[@asoiafan]

Legolas always with his bow, his weapon of choice.

[@thomasholden4797]

In the tales of this was it actually lasted 10 years. It is where we get the term like the "Trojan Horse" an "Achilles Heal". All from the tales from Homer...Another thing related to this story is the Odyssey.

[@nicholasdecarli1889]

In this movie Hector is too good. In the original " Iliades" he's much less reapectful of the enemy. He doesn't kill Patroclos thinking it was Achilles he knows who he is end fools him while he's dying saying him he's stupid. And in the original Hector's son is taken by the greeks and he's trown down Troy's wall.

[@cliftonjarvis8010]

Achilles was dipped in a river for protection only held by his heel.

[@gingerbreadman1969]

I'm really enjoying your girls reactions and discussions during these films. Please make a reaction to Dances With Wolves, I promise you'll love it. Thanks again. 👍😎💯🔥

[@-NOCAP-]

Let's go! I was hoping y'all would react to this when I saw you reacting to Gladiator.

[@NickySkinz]

Hectors just a man where as Achilles is a Demi god and has zero weak points except for his heel

[@adrianocollinzo5712]

So one weak point then...

[@kylespeirs6510]

I lived in “the time of Jyn and Ryl”

[@AmatureAstronomer]

Reminds me of the old saying, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts".

[@oscarlindvall1053]

I mean it's a greek tragedy after all no surprise it will be quite sad. Nice reaction anyhow.

[@aleksandarnikolovski8865]

It,s story 3000 years old...

[@greatfox232]

What's interesting thing is, what we think about romance is so fantasy when stories like this used romance as cautionary tales. Many classics used romances stories as parables to tell us to avoid it cause it's so dangerous. Love was a thing to work out your system as a young man, so that you can think clearly enough not to be do what Paris did.

[@abc123tiktok]

The great irony of the movie which is far more Hollywood is that Paris wasn't actual a romantic or really in love beyond lust. He was far more of coward and despicable as person in the eyes of Greek culture. He was also a depiction of not how to live your life if you want to be honorable.

[@oibabayaga9935]

This is my favorite movie. Its a true story you didn't learn this in history. The Trojan horse

[@Slevencolevra]

Poor Hector

[@MarcusAurelius12]

PLEASE DO THE 13TH Warrior Next!!

[@yoyosammity6688]

For Hector if he didn't fight Achilles he could never take the Throne because he backed down to the greatest warrior the world has ever seen.

[@kilipaki87oritahiti]

Most people only see this as a romantic story of selfless love, but in the greater schemes of things, Paris, a selfish, spoiled, privileged, entitled and basically just a boy mentality, haven’t even been to battle or killed a man, sacrifices a whole culture, kingdom and people for one single woman! Yet in the end he dies. So his brother and father too as well as family. Was it worth it? Even if they loved each other to sacrifice their own people like that…

[@danielfardella1622]

I presume that, in your culture, you have not heard of the "Trojan Horse" which was a story about breaching Troys gates. This act has been talked about often in the west when people find a way to fool enemies. Nevertheless, you are by far the brightest, nicest reviewers I have seen thus far and I am very impressed by your knowledge in general. I now look forward to all of your reviews and podcasts. You guys are very mature for your age and pleasant to watch!

[@PrimeGlaz]

Fact: Although the film portrays Patroclus as Achilles cousin, he is actually Achilles Lover

[@dimitriosales]

Yes, Patroclus was not his cousin, He was his best Friend. They grew up together and had a very close bond . Although the lover part is rumored, it has nothing to back it.

[@eleniasimop]

They were related.

[@keithcharboneau3331]

You mentioned how they "ENDED" it, but keep in mind, when they were making this movie, they were making as close as possible a story for the movie theaters about an REAL EVENT that took place more than 3,000 years ago, so they way that they "ENDED" it was really not up to the producers of this movie, according to the history that we know of the fall of Troy, this is what happened, or as close of an approximation as we know of. what happened AFTER the destruction of Troy, is largely forgotten about though, the survivors of Troy ultimately ended up in what we know TODAY as Italy, and created the Roman empire about 1,900 ish years ago.

[@hailreezy]

The messed up thing about this in terms of the real mythology is everyone died for nothing. Helen actually ended up going back Menelaus who in the actual story never died/wasnt killed by Hector. This chick just had a fling that ended in the destruction of an entire people😂😂😂😂. As a kid i was so mad when i found out. I curse Orlando Bloom and whoever this broad is to this day😂🤣🚶🏿‍♂️.

[@keithcharboneau3331]

Achilles was shot with an arrow in his heel, TODAY we know it as the Achilles tendon, so yes Achilles's name WILL LAST through the ages, since in every country on the planet, a part of the human body was named after him. while the name of King Agamemnon, is barely remembered, the name Achilles will NEVER be forgotten.

[@ruggerobelloni4743]

No point being rude to the ladies. Blame the school system. During 20yrs in the USA I could only get through to graduates talking about Homer being at the very core of western culture. For most folk it was like a Xena story. Changing the plots is like making a Romeo and Juliet version with a happy ending, uplifting but Will would not agree. In 1984 in San Diego my landlady's son showed me his jr high final test. Of course he had 3 choices like a tv quiz and one question was " is Grammar about Language, History or Geography ?.At his age in Italy (60's) I had 3 years of Latin, 2 English and Iliad and Odissey uncut and with long debates on the subject. (Ulysses is smart and curious but should he risk his crew to satisfy his desires? He is quite modern for his time but back home he reverts to the Bronze Age and commits slaughter) Heavy stuff at 13. Greatest US TV sin ? Omitting the hero and his dog final meeting. The text is great poetry and I still can recall the whole class weeping Culture can be fun.I jammed with old Bluesmen and then I taught kids who never heard of Robert Johnson and dated real smart Afroamerican girls who did not know Bessie Smith. Ok, you can kill me after this wordy mess with the classic K.O. American question "If you are so smart how come you ain't rich?" 😢 You got a point!

[@keithcharboneau3331]

That is the way wars were fought back in those days, it is disgusting and might I even say repulsive, but a ancient Greek philosopher once said, "The human race is an interesting species, one that is capable of such beautiful dreams, while simultaneously being capable of such horrible nightmares." so while we can do some of the most amazing and beautiful things, we also can do some of the most disgusting and horrific things as well, just look around the world TODAY and we can see it happening AS WE SPEAK.

[@Ὀδύσσεια-σ6ξ]

Peter O'Toole, who played Priam, spoke negatively of the film during an appearance at the Savannah Film Festival, stating he walked out of the film fifteen minutes into a screening, and criticized the director, slamming him as "a clown". Years later, Brad Pitt expressed disappointment with the film, saying: "I had to do Troy because [...] I pulled out of another movie and then had to do something for the studio. So I was put in Troy. It wasn't painful, but I realized that the way that movie was being told was not how I wanted it to be. I made my own mistakes in it. What am I trying to say about Troy? I could not get out of the middle of the frame. It was driving me crazy. I'd become spoiled working with David Fincher. It's no slight on Wolfgang Petersen. Das Boot is one of the all-time great films. But somewhere in it, Troy became a commercial kind of thing. Every shot was like, 'Here's the hero!' There was no mystery."

[@letitbe1977]

I ABSOLUTELY loved your reactions lmao. At the end, it felt so empty.. and it was so upsetting that Achilles had to die. Both Hector and Achilles deserved better. They had to take part in this war against their will.

[@mrdarkside4071]

The guy that tossed the man in the boat was Ayax The Great, according to legend was the man very strong,only second to Achilles in al Greece, they were cousins.

[@robluv4592]

This is how domlnican Mexican Cuban. think. Battle for country women.....

[@ruggerobelloni4743]

Studying Homer as Mithology like my American friends did leaves a terrible gap in one's education. In junior high in the 60's in Italy (and Greece etc.) the Iliad and Odissey were studied in full for three years as great literature at the core of western thought, discussed in detail (is Hector the hero and Achilles a ruthless bully?Is Ulysses wise risking his men's lives? Why is he so modern but his revenge is a bronze age massacre?). Achilles died long before the horse was built, Agamemnon was killed upon his return. The story was told by Odysseus in a flashback,so Homer was a better filmmaker than these hacks.Now comes the standard US reaction:" If you're so smart how come you ain't rich?'. Well I ain't, but I do not put Chaplin and Stooges, Bach and rap, Moses & Bob's Big Boy statues etc. on the same level. Btw my wonderful American friends never did this and what they hadn't heard of they absorbed instantly and of course taught me in return. Warning: change this trend or we'll soon get Romeo & Juliet with a happy ending and The Lord Jesus saying "Enough of this, you messed with the wrong Guy" Now we can still say to Hollywood " Father forgive them" il .

[@86leewis]

Great observation. Hector was really good too, or he wouldn't have lasted that long.

[@rafaeluzt]

Patroclus was actually a lover of Achilles, more than a "cousin" or "friend". That why he reacted so furiously againt Hector.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Achilles was one man but he commanded 50 ships with 50 men on each ship. About 5% of the fighting men, Many of them, the best fighters in Greece.

[@Aemond2024]

Dumb women. Only Achilles was gonna leave with his 1 ship. The Greek army was gonna stay w Agamemnon. Ofcourse Troy had to to get rid of them

[@danmacarro]

I think history ended up on the Trojans side. The Roman’s before their empire claimed to be descendants of the young man who escaped in the caves, Shakespeare like you guy still saw Priam as the most noble king in history. However we honor Achilles. Definitely a war with no good guys

[@maegalodonus]

Some of the elements might be fictional like in every movie, like the war was actually a long series of sieges and raids that lasted years rather than a one week thing, but other than that, this was real History. Troy existed, Agamemnon, Achilles, Hector, Paris, Helen, etc they were all real people. This is not the Lord of the Rings or some made up fiction story. This happened for real in History. For a long time it was thought that this was just another greek legend until late XIX when a german archeologist, Schliemann, found the ruins of Troy. Also, at the end of the movie, when you see Paris giving a random guy called Aeneas the sword of Troy, and all the survivors are fleeing the city, the mythology says that these people were the founders of Rome.

[@Navesblue]

The reason you have so many conflicting feelings about this movie is because this movie is based on the ancient Greek Tragedy (notice the emphasis on "Tragedy") the Iliad. It's meant to make you feel strong emotions and conflict. And the ancient Greeks were the masters of these kinds of stories. Hence why we still know of them to this day. ;)

[@jamesteele5726]

Whats the point? Although we don't know if this is 100% accurate, the point is , this was based on an actual event, an event from history. This is not a disney fairy tale. In real life, war is horrible, innoscents die and hero's and the best warriors in the world die. We have generations of people alive today that have no idea of how horrible our past has been. Nieve people. War is hell. Fact.

[@zackstoner4523]

hahaha.. You think those random archers could kill Achilles.... Its like having to explain cartoon physics are not real to a adult!!!! I'm afraid your going to die if someone doesn't say breath.

[@johnkimble4119]

I guess you can ignore the lack of knowledge of the actual story from the epics but the ignorance of basic things about politics, diplomacy and warfare was hard to endure. How can you say silly things such as "they don't have reason to invade", "they don't have honour" and "that king is bad or good" based completely from the modern times mindset. Please read the books if you liked the story.

[@butchwiltshire6686]

Lol...Greek Tragedy. It took king Odysseus 10 more yrs to make it back to Greece from this war. " The Odyssey" by Homer.

[@MrGrayman]

blue ray really screwed up so many movies with their change in soundtracks..the original with the soundtracks sounded so synchronixed with the movie and was way more catchy

[@CID1973]

This is an ooold, old story, and it's way much more longer than this movie. I strongly suggest to read the book.

[@johnmorales6281]

Say what you want girl on the left pretty cute but please for the love of god...do not want the BBC series of this War😢😢😢it was abysmal This gotta be the directors cut

[@grimmhead9583]

Unfortunately they left out one Greek hero (as they left out tons of other stuff) .. Memmon (means the resolute) who was a king of Ethiopia and son of Tithonus and Eos. As a warrior he was considered to be almost Achilles equal in skill. Read your history girls. The Ilias from homer. Greetings from Greece.

[@technopirate304]

45:40, I love this movie but it greatly collapses the Trojan War. In the original text the siege of Troy lasted for years not a few days like this.