Karen Widdoss case: Ex-boyfriend’s sinister obsession

A Pennsylvania teen thought it was over between her and her high school boyfriend. But he had other ideas.
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[@nodak0164]

I always introduced any guy I wanted to date to my parents. When I was 23, I brought my new guy to my parents home. My dad took me aside &, with a look towards the room where my mom & bf were talking, said "no". Just..."no" but I knew exactly what he meant. When he dropped me off, I told him I didn't want to see him again & why. He thought I was being stupid & controlled by my dad. 2 days later, he showed up with one of my best friends on his arm. They moved to another state 2 weeks later. A month after they moved, she was fighting for her life in an ICU after he almost beat her to death. I always trusted my dad's instincts.

[@nikkis.3680]

Damn! Are you serious? If that story is true , you have an amazing Dad and you are a very smart young lady!! 👋👋

[@nodak0164]

@@nikkis.3680 It's 100% true! I told my Dad everything. When I still lived at home, I would tell him if I was going to a party. 98% of the time, he'd say OK. If he said 'no" I didn't go. (I should clarify something here. My Dad was a cop.) If I didn't show up & I was expected, party's over! Want to hear another kind of cool story?

[@nikkis.3680]

@@nodak0164 Oh I believe you and Yes Id love to hear another cool story!

[@nodak0164]

@@nikkis.3680 This'll be in 2 parts- Again, this is all totally true! Part #1 When I was a high school senior, one day all these kids I didn't really know started to come up to me at my locker, in the halls & even in class to tell me how I had the coolest dad they had ever met! But, no one would tell me why because (they all said) "we've been told to keep it to ourselves & you'll have to ask him yourself". Well, damn! Now I was REALLY curious! Turns out that there had been a couple of calls about a party being held by a group of teens. Dad was the 2nd highest rank in the dept. so normally he wouldn't go on a call like that but it was on his way home. Sure enough, big party, a bunch of teens who weren't drunk per se but they were on the way. Dad spotted a kid who lived next door to us who looked at my father as the Dad he wished he had been blessed with instead of the sloppy, vicious, violent drunk, drugged addicted, never worked a regular job A. hole he got. I'll call him Mark. Dad points at him & at the door & says loudly "YOU! RIGHT NOW!" On the step outside, Dad says, "Ok- how much alcohol do you guys have, how much do you have, where is it & who bought it? And don't even THINK about lying to me because I'll know it if you try!" Mark said "we have a pony keg(about 1/4 the size of a keg), it's in that locked closet you couldn't open & I don't know who bought it, I wouldn't lie to you!" All the kids at the party were in h.s. & this was finals week. (Also, keep in mind that the late 70's were VERY different compared to now) Dad thought for a moment & handed him a business card & said, "These are the rules. Rule #1- If I can hear the music outside with the door closed, someone going into detention. I'll pick you. Music goes down. Got it?Rule #2- I don't want to see, hear, smell or even be told that someone got falling down puking drunk. You're in charge & you'll be blamed if that happens. Understand me? YOU'LL be in trouble. With me! Rule #3 No one goes outside until they want/need to go home. No yelling, screaming, fighting, howling at the moon, whatever. Keep the noise level down. If I hear even 1 more complaint about this party, someone is going to detention. I pick....YOU! Rule #3 NO ONE drives home from this party. NO ONE! When someone wants or needs to go home, you're going to call me & I'll make sure they get home & so will their car. Don't let anyone drive. You're going to go in their and take everyone's keys. No ifs, and's or buts. No keys, they'll leave with me right now & I'll charge them with underage drinking, disturbing the peace & a few more things. Got it? Repeat what I just told you".

[@nodak0164]

@@nikkis.3680 Part #2- Then they went in & collected the keys, Dad had Mark tell all of them the new "Rules" & Dad & the patrol guys left. They all came to our house. They sat around, drank coffee & swapped stories. (The patrolmen were off duty too.) About 2 hours later Mark calls & says "Ahhh…. Sir? A couple of kids have to get home. What should we do now?" Dad & the patrolmen go back to the party. The kid finds his keys in the stash of keys & the patrolmen would drive the kid's car while the kid rode with Dad & he gives them the "don't waste your life" speech. Not blaming them though. We were all young once. But, being young doesn't mean you have to be young & stupid. Dad & the patrolman shuttled kids for several hours. Everyone got home safe. No fatalities, no innocent people going about their lives got hurt or killed & they had all slowed down how much they drank so all they had was a buzz & a slight headache but no one had the DT's or a bad hangover the next day. I guess you can understand why he was my hero & my idle! Like I said, it was a VERY different time vs. today. I always did my level best for him. I knew I was going to follow in his footsteps from age 3 & was so close to the brass ring! Then a drunk decided that although both his 8 1/2 months pregnant wife & her bff was stone cold sober & his BAC was over 0.4, HE had to drive his truck because HE WAS THE MAN! And NO REAL man would allow a mere woman drive him! He almost killed me & I lost my chance at following in Dad's (rather large) footprints. I was extremely lucky to get the parents I got. Sorry this got so long!

[@maddygrimes1000]

How the hell isn't this attempted murder?! HIS INTENT WAS TO KILL HER! Absolutely ridiculous.

[@tyesonjackson6848]

Maddy Grimes I wish people did research my lord....attempted murder is 10 years max assault is 20 years max.

[@gabrielahodak7766]

The same what I am thiking like wthe the hell

[@Josh729J]

Because liberals want violent harmful people to get a slap on the wrist

[@tyesonjackson6848]

Erik allan 🧐🧐🧐as we’ve been through this with my aunt and that was the exact same reason the judge gave the dude assault over attempted murder hmmmmm

[@justananomaly]

@@tyesonjackson6848 depends on the situation

[@23Josilee]

Some kid found smoking pot is sentenced for 10 years, but this Psycho who attempted murder can get out in 15. Way to go US judicial system...

[@violentwildling8924]

And the man who raped me and several other children when I was a child only got 2 years.

[@spicy1116]

Dont forget, he forcefully raped an unconscious child too

[@michaelalando]

That's horrible @@violentwildling8924 very sorry.

[@jasminesantana8846]

Violet Weil 😡

[@hk6859]

Yes that is what I thought, this is the stupidest law in the world.

[@ms.bkaraokeb4307]

Please pay attention to that erie feeling you get when a guy approaches you. That feeling is for a reason. Get away from them!

[@samia6888]

I wish I listened! :(

[@jisrael4829]

So true.

[@dlambert9801]

Yep we have a gut instinct for a reason.

[@ProfessorMM]

Unfortunately I found this out the hard way- in a similar way this lady did

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

I get that Erie feeling whenever I’m in Cleveland.

[@avreekhan1838]

Finally one documentary where someone is not dead

[@nancyhoward7005]

Horrible and horific 👹 devil

[@Shadow-bq6rf]

Thanks for the spoiler alert

[@kimg2692]

@@twinzturbo shut the fuck up!! I'm sure your gonna be on here one day u sick, sadistic, horrible monster.

[@abelis644]

@Reina Macarena wtf are you talking about???

[@abelis644]

@Reina Macarena She was a child when this all happened, she was intimidated and groomed by the abuser. He obviously had her under his thumb. Grown women often cannot get away from their abusers, what do you expect a child to do... In any case, NEVER EVER blame the victim. We are not in their shoes and don't know how they feel, what they are told etc.

[@shanicesparks4848]

Why would you let your 13yr old daughter date a 17 yr old boy? Let ALONE date at ALL. Wtf. My mom would've killed me.

[@tracylee3001]

My parents would've went nuts just HAVING a boyfriend never mind a 17 year old eh😞😞😞💟✌

[@malghawazi]

As if parents have control..

[@MJ-fl8hr]

@@malghawazi Parents DO have control. Some just don't know how to walk in it. Stop trying to be your children's friends. Smh

[@PSF1986]

Shanice Sparks 17 year old seeing a 13 year old isn't dating that's pedophilia

[@amyleigh3277]

Hell yes!

[@Queen.323]

They lost me at “13 and 17” oh hell no..

[@papuce-u1w]

For real

[@shunnyrobinson3570]

T H 💀

[@Queen.323]

“Sweet & Innocent” and “13 and 17” in the same sentence threw me off lol..

[@ClippedByNiyahh]

T H Rightt reminds me of that Danielle Cohn girl and her boyfriend

[@audreywillisstone4654]

Exactly

[@bloodydove5718]

"She said he was creepy" Well he's a 17 y/o dating a 13 y/o, tf.

[@leeannwitt5380]

And stayed for2years and led him on by letting him come over!!

[@dantegood2195]

@@leeannwitt5380 - sweet. Blame the child for this maniac

[@mariahconklin4150]

Idk why some men think this is okay it’s not

[@annefrank2265]

@Jam 13 is still a child

[@maiyukinoshita2458]

@Jam what the hell you maniac

[@alanespejel465]

“She felt there was something odd about her daughters boyfriend” Uhhh maybe that he’s 17 messing around with middle schoolers?

[@Sindollx666x]

When i was 13 i was in high school

[@0BRAINS0]

@@Sindollx666x me too but I skipped a grade.

[@Sindollx666x]

@@0BRAINS0 i started kindergarten at 4, age laws were different then.

[@0BRAINS0]

@@Sindollx666x I was born in 1981, I know.

[@Sindollx666x]

@@0BRAINS0 You knew where I lived and the school age laws? J/k We're close in age. I was born in 1980. What I really meant was, I started school in California and I did my high school years in Washington state. Where I lived in Cali you had to turn 5 by a certain date before the end of the year and during your kindergarten enrollment. In Washington state, it seemed like I skipped a grade, I was the second youngest in my graduating class besides a girl who skipped a grade, lol. Oddly my mom skipped a grade too. So we both graduated at age 17 and i was class of 1998 she was class of 1978, pretty interesting, I thought. If I had started kindergarten in Washington I'd have had to wait until the next year and would've been class of 99. Crazy. Glad I wasn't coz I already got enough Columbine related grief from people without even being in school anymore, just judged on my appearance and I man...if you stood out at all, or dressed "goth" you were Satanic and on your way to hell as it was.. damn I'm glad that people are becoming more accepting of differences.

[@vav5838]

....? She WENT TO SLEEP unable to confirm whether he left the house? I would’ve been paranoid wtf

[@sharlawilliamson9609]

Sometimes your body shuts down after so much stress and fear. I think it was more that, and not that she was relaxed to have a nap. You can only be hypervigilant for so long

[@lovingpurrs8388]

I dont believe her histories

[@JeffBurden]

@@lovingpurrs8388 Yeah,. she's not telling us something.

[@lovingpurrs8388]

@@JeffBurden right lol

[@jasminerosexo6566]

@@lovingpurrs8388 I lowkey don't believe her either! I was like uhhh some of this isn't making any sense..

[@brianalebleu4625]

Im SO pissed he didnt get put in jail for murder or attempted murder . Like does the law want us to DIE to GET JUSTICE ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@amanteheru8572]

Yes

[@Sindollx666x]

Seriously it doesn't make * sense.

[@alissagonzalez28]

Even when you die sometimes you don’t get justice

[@laurenslife5811]

Totally agree he deserves life ...danger to society.

[@Mtharammel]

• ᔕᑭoՕƘՎ• what!!!! He only raped her!!!! Only!!!!! You are unbelievable

[@xassylax]

“I didn’t even know who OJ Simpson was, I could have cared less” “Me neither” _fuckin _*_savage_*

[@JohnDavis-yz9nq]

I really wish OJ had never been born.

[@SONJASAVEDBYGRACE]

I was thinking the same thing

[@alexismoore8266]

Lmfaooooooooo 😂😂😂😂 that was most definitely hilarious

[@naughtysauce4323]

I found this her reaction to be very odd and unprofessional. Maybe it was her way to connect to the victim, but a very weird choice.

[@JS-qy3dk]

@@naughtysauce4323 even if you lived under a rock what part of the"the night your brother and Nicole were murdered" you didn't understand....??!!!!!!! Unless you know the tragic story of the interviewer but you DON'T CARE AND JUST WANT HER TO DON'T SHOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER DEAD BROTHER BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T CARE LESS AND YOU JUST WANT PROFESSIONALISM... THIS IS JUST UNHUMAN🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@neversleeponmeyola4964]

When I was 17 I wouldn’t go near a 13 year old 😳🤢

[@nessamyers1621]

Exactly me either. Like ewww there still little. 🤮 I dated my own age

[@starregino3030]

Bruh same

[@millsmami]

My son is 16 and he won't even communicate with any girl under 15 because they're "not on his level"..😩🥴

[@al1here]

@Cheryl leanne Right

[@larajayne4934]

No shit aye

[@smurfmaxineblue6833]

What kind of mother let's her 13 yr old date a 17yr old?

[@maleighatorrez9948]

Danielle Cohn's mom

[@shimmyshimmy8299]

@@maleighatorrez9948 hahahaha

[@samtaylor5427]

Why do good beautiful girls choose assholes instead of real guys like me who r few

[@TanekaRoberts]

That's not to bad, it's only 4 years

[@denisejones480]

Smurf *Maxine* Blue exactly

[@sherrydrake9578]

The first time someone shows you who they really are, believe them.

[@claudineannschultz9726]

Amen, Sherry

[@annerison]

Exactly.

[@janaegal9746]

Exactly. You only truly know a person if you've seen their bad sides

[@staceyezell9685]

Yess Maya Angelou said it best! Happy black history month 🥰

[@ikycrt]

some people can change (i think) its just not all of them

[@Textra1]

"Under that seemingly smooth surface..." *_*red eyed death stare photo_**

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

Textra1 😂😂I know!! I was like, What!?

[@BluesInMySoul]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@miel2964]

How is that not attempted murder? o.o He literally strangled her twice, and stabbed her on her lungs. What the heck.

[@jingwan1273]

He injured her but left her half alive which really sorta means he didn't have the "intent" to murder her and they didn't have evidence he said he wanted her to die

[@kyleec384]

I think that's what privilege is

[@miel2964]

@@jingwan1273 No, he had the full intent of killing her. He just didn't want to do the dirty deed fully. He came back when he heard her still alive, and told her "Karen, just die, just let yourself go". A knife to a lung is a medical emergency, if she had become unconscious (which he thought she was) and didn't call for help, she would've died without any prompt treatment. This was clearly attempted murder.

[@nataliaspamer9745]

@@jingwan1273 he wanted her to fuicking suffer lol

[@MrVolcom33]

@@nataliaspamer9745 Exactly! This dude is a psycho and narcissistic pile of shit. Wonder if she has kids? Would she let her kids date someone 4 years older as they just become a teenager. Her parent's dropped the ball then the system dropped it again. Dude had every intention of killing her I don't care who says differently.

[@traceonthecase]

No way any 17 year old dates my 13 year old. My daughter tried that, those exact ages and that relationship got shut down right then. Come on parents

[@michellepotter5763]

Good job mom!! There arent many willing to parent anymore ❤👏

[@Wickedschiz777]

My question is where was the grandma when she called and needed the most why didn't the grandma do something while in the house

[@thefilmsett1956]

My kids are 12 and 13 and naha

[@al1here]

Poor parenting

[@alainportant6412]

Your parents named you "Tracey" ? Why would they do that ? Come on parents.

[@autumn35]

Karen’s mom saying “he wasn’t really boyfriend material” is the biggest roast

[@JerseyLynne]

a stab wound to the chest is not attempted murder? Explain how that makes sense.

[@kyleec384]

The system works for those who it's intended to protect.

[@Kingkejser]

Is not attempt murder bc he didn’t aim at her organs

[@JerseyLynne]

@@Kingkejser uh, lungs and heart are vital organs...so its not attempted murder if you' a bad aim with a gun?

[@Kingkejser]

Lynne Benson was only jokin lol. Clearly something wrong with justice system in Murica

[@JerseyLynne]

@@Kingkejser lol

[@susanbailey3779]

12 years ago I was stabbed and left for dead the guy was trying to get my heart but because of me trying to get again he missed my heart but got my lung. He was sentenced to 9 years for attempted murder but only served 6 and I’m stuck with a life time of breathing problems and had to pay the $54,000 in medical bills that he didn’t have to pay restitution. The justice system failed me and for my safety and the safety of my friends and family I had to move out of state. I didn’t even get a call for when he went up for probation they said “we couldn’t find you” to me that was bull shit

[@Mtharammel]

This is unbelievable. There is no justice in this world.

[@1BeautifullyBlessed]

Oh my!! 😭😭😭

[@AwfulDog1]

why does your story not surprise me...so sorry.

[@bridge30b24]

Too bad Dexter isn't real.

[@teresathayn5170]

We females are second class citizens in the US!

[@samanthak8694]

Don't ever open the door to any person who talks about killing you. Ever.

[@crockbuddy]

I know right ?? she sould have just spoken to him through the window.

[@tschikofcabinets2109]

Why would I open the door ever to strange people?

[@loparonwow13]

Smells fishy as hell I feel like there's something else she's not telling

[@deoaldi2854]

Who opens the door to someone that wants to kill them!?

[@samanthak8694]

@@deoaldi2854 she did.

[@JamesAustinTrickShots]

"It all started so innocent." NO, its a 13 year old and a 17 yr old

[@MOTORCYCLES-ANDGUNS]

🤣 The comment section is hilarious

[@Lovedance5678]

Disgusting.

[@sahnimus3455]

Yeah 18 and 14 sounds even more fucked up

[@tarantellalarouge7632]

you've never been to school ? it happens all the time ! to me a 13 years old is too young to date anyone, it is time to make friends and develop your personality and studying, but maybe it is asking too much now ?

[@bodhi8297]

Girls will always chase older guys but show them cases like this. Cause it can happen and they need to understand why their parents won’t allow it

[@milliganx6278]

Her parents failed her as a child. Who lets a 13 year old have a serious boyfriend? I say this from experience.

[@Josh729J]

LIBERALS

[@Maddie-oc9wg]

Danielle Cohn

[@davidgould7366]

Uh every parent ever

[@davidgould7366]

Dumby

[@hammandajual7913]

My mom would bit the crap out of me.

[@WindDancer435]

At the age of 13, mom should have intervened and stopped the relationship.

[@musicfan8157]

So true

[@oneworld4all412]

Blame the victims

[@WindDancer435]

@@oneworld4all412 If you know how to comprehend what is written, then you would know that most of us feel the mother is to blame, not the child.

[@carina-2683]

13 and 17?? The mum definitely should've stepped in, the expectations of a 13 year old and a 17 year old can be scary different and maturity isnt exactly reliable.

[@patearl4036]

yep

[@Kailalove]

"It all started so sweet and innocent at 13-years-old Karen struck up a romance with 17-year-old Leonard Tilton." UHHHHHH not sweet and innocent. Any 17 y/o that dates a 13 y/o is a predator.

[@childofthemosthighyah8145]

Right. Smh. If I was her mother i would of put a stop to that immediately!

[@RB-kf7nu]

@@childofthemosthighyah8145 any 13 year old that dates a 17yr old is a THOT is the making.

[@0906blue]

Oh please its a 4 year age difference.

[@kaimikalaniYT]

They are, but technically it isn’t illegal because they are both minors. Its so stupid 😒

[@0906blue]

I don't think a 4 year age difference is what made him crazy. If you understand domestic violence at all you will know that like drug habits, it doesn't discriminate. If you are a woman that fell for a man your own age and lived happily ever after good for you.

[@chriskoschik391]

Ladies, if a guy shows signs of being controlling, jealousy with no reason, and is always up in your business about who your friends are, end it early! Its only going to get worse!

[@justthatgirl-ct4jo]

Yes. I have been through something not quite as serious as this, but enough so that I still feel uncomfortable and am in the process of moving.

[@juliosantana4368]

The Door swings both ways..that goes for guys with psycho Girlfriends as well..being A Psycho is not a male thing..its a being human thing

[@chriskoschik391]

@@juliosantana4368 yes sir!

[@braveinternetguy]

If you have a bf you shouldn’t have friends PEROID

[@rebekahopara4179]

@@braveinternetguy what nonsense comment is this?

[@marianshockley7143]

The whole OJ part between her and the interviewer was REALLY awkward, or was that just me? 😂

[@ProfessorMM]

No it was awkward as heck

[@rooneyfuls]

Marian Rose the interviewers brother was the guy murdered along with Nicole 💀

[@jwhite1016aol]

It made me scroll the comments.. glad to see someone else thought it too

[@krispymac11]

Yeah looking back on the story I didn’t really understand that part of the story I thought I was just saying they were watching it one day to kind of put it in the timeline

[@martyes9563]

Just rewatched it and it was cringey AF

[@beccam9266]

This is just wrong. The court system is allowing this woman to be victimized over and over again? How is that justice?

[@sarahjustice526]

If the guy was black he would be locked forever.

[@jingwan1273]

Loopholes

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Becca M “boys rule, girls drool” keeps coming to mind. It really is a man’s world.

[@kyleec384]

The system works well for those who it's intended to work for.

[@mafiafleurant1]

Kylee C nvbvnc

[@unchainedwiththecapt]

How in the eff is that not attempted murder? Somebody dropped the ball on this one.

[@TheXuenBox]

depending on the law the prosecution might have found attempt murder too lenient compared with assault sentences, or being able to pin him for multiple charges versus a lesser amount that will give a wider chance of keeping him in jail or give him multiple jail sentences

[@jingwan1273]

Could've been that they argued that he had some kind of a mental issue and he didn't finish her off and second, he did a bad job really hiding her and basically let everyone find out

[@conniemoore1786]

Plea deal😐is what a large majority of the cases prosecuted are😐

[@kyleec384]

Lol wait till you hear about the school to prison pipeline my guy

[@ericsimmons7511]

"It all started so sweet and innocent..." This is the chillest Chris Hansen has ever been regarding someone dating a 13 year old.

[@karileeekatami8399]

😂😂😂😂

[@goddamnducks8205]

u know that thats not what he personally said? its written by directors lol not him he is just reading it

[@Dan55888]

Right? Nothing about that seems sweet and innocent

[@Dan55888]

@@goddamnducks8205 still, for anyone to think that and write that is stupod and oxymoronic. "It all started with simple predator and underage dating for a girl possibly not even in highschool and the loser 17 year old that preyed on her" is the accurate way of describing that reguardless of any other factors involved

[@gotopinions9087]

The pain in her voice as well as her face. “It was like he was prying my ribs open.” My heart broke. This is an amazing women.

[@feliciaowens9990]

I could not of said it any better

[@IHateEverythingInIife]

Woman singular not plural

[@Jenbrinkerjackson]

"She told me he was creepy amd she didnt want to be around him. So, two years later she broke it off.."

[@Orlanzepol123]

IKR. She waited 2 years. And allowed him on her life after they broke up :, SMH Well she was very young.

[@genesisrodriguez553]

Sounds about white

[@melissahernandez1786]

if he wasn’t already verbally abusive then, I’m sure he was at least manipulative. especially dealing with the age difference it makes sense, and that enough already shows how hard it could’ve been for her to leave.

[@Josh729J]

@@genesisrodriguez553 you really wanna go into racist relationship stereotypes? Cause I think everyone has some statistics against you.

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

That stood out to me too. I think there's also a class difference in terms of what we'd consider normative reactions to similar situations. I think in low income areas, there are "more important" things (like keeping the lights on, food etc.) than worrying about whether or not your daughter's bf is The Killer. Personally, I would have banned that dude 2 years ago. But I can understand how that wouldn't be a priority if you're living paycheck-to-paycheck.

[@ssmlbc8784]

At 13 i was playing mortal kombat, mario brothers, watching tales from the krypt beating my brother up, collecting spiders lol

[@KareemaBee]

SSM LBC 😂😂 and at 13 I was rushing home from school everyday to watch music videos & learn the dance moves. Cutting out pictures of Beyoncé putting it on my room wall(Beyoncé’s my favorite singer btw lol) 😂😂😂😂

[@kiraraki_master6647]

SSM LBC me at 13 smoking weed being kicked out of Highschool after telling principle to go fuck off & already been to court for B&E ,14 BF sex with 24 year old motocross Australian Champion,,my poor mum ,that’s what happens when your millionaire dad sails off into sunset with 23 year old women who later has 5 step siblings that I love . Nar more that what happens when little girls get molested by creepy men , little girls really need there dads .....to protect & love them

[@325af2]

Some people mature faster than other, I knew kids like you and that’s totally fine. I just had moved past that already and was ready for the world.

[@doughty_vee7824]

Collecting spiders 😂😂😅🤣

[@denisejones480]

SSM LBC as u should have been doing!! I loved tales from the crypt😂😂😂😂

[@Muffinboxbird]

“Karen’s mom felt early on that there was something wrong with her daughters boyfriend.” Yeah like he was 17. 🙄

[@dezgarrett2790]

I need to show this episode to my 14 yr old who is in a rush to start dating. These kids are so in rush to become adults not knowing what they're getting into. I 'd give my right arm to be 14 again and have my mom taking care of me.

[@phoenixalbastru3706]

Desmond Garrett the same here!

[@dannyfarrow278]

Yes!! Show her!

[@KathrynKLNA]

It won’t matter. Their brains aren’t a developed and they always think “it won’t happen to me.”

[@Ashnesss]

This has nothing to do with age. There are psychopaths of all age groups. Age is irrelevant. Psychopaths are not a good enough reason not to date. Girls can date and break up with as many guys as they want.

[@dezgarrett2790]

@@Ashnesss it does in the context of my kid....I think I'd know what's relevant and irrelevant where my kid is concerned. Unless you know her better than me...

[@bambi.72]

what a joke, he tried to kill her and went back to finish her off and didn't get charge him for MURDER??? what a f'up system.... ugh, this sickens me to the core..

[@rebecculousrk]

This happens all the time, the charge or sentence is bargained down. My attacker was treated as a first time offender despite having the same detectives and same victims advocate as his previous case. They did this to avoid having to deport him because his boss argued for him.(!) He tried to kill me, held me captive for 36 hours, did all kinds of violence, and they dropped the kidnapping and reduced attempted homicide to aggravated assault and he got out in 7 months.

[@taramay8174]

He white

[@taramay8174]

Ridiculous. So angry . This is so corrupt

[@billyconforto9108]

Murder? I could’ve sworn she was still alive lmao

[@Josh729J]

@@taramay8174 no. This is because of liberals and Democrats like yourself

[@offgridjack5779]

They should have LET HIM jump off the bridge!!!

[@Lollita23]

My thoughts exactly

[@artificialpanda7173]

Oh no, my dear, that would be too easy for him. He should suffer more

[@gwallabear8891]

Shona Gunawan indeed he should 💯

[@ananimity7332]

@@Lollita23 Mine too

[@kari7403]

Nah. They should have called Karen and let her push his ass off the bridge.

[@RavenHeath]

This women is somthing else. Shes so strong! I'm so happy she was able to survive this.

[@lb8853]

13 and 17 year old dating? Not appropriate!

[@aaliyahfeacher5427]

A I You just went on a whole rant about black people and you don’t even know if the person you’re replying to is black...

[@jessicaleigh7118]

@A I wtf black women even have to do with this!?!?! STFU

[@cooperhilinsky5939]

Not just inappropriate, it’s illegal! (If they were intimate that is,)

[@danreyes736]

So is 73 and 77.

[@deirdremitchell7078]

Idiots

[@samanthahenville9604]

She shouldn't even be dating a 17yr old at 13yr old. All I see is red flags in this situation.

[@abigeffen7978]

@Dio Black if shes 13, you have issues😂

[@Sindollx666x]

@Dio Black lol

[@ashley-cz1sl]

I am sorry that is no way in hell I would allow my 13-year-old daughter date a 17-year old

[@rachels2cents325]

ashley 💯💯💯💯EXACTLY FUCK THAT SHIT..... 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@heartstrings7814]

If you admit that your very own boyfriend or girlfriend gives you the creeps or is creepy, you have No business with them!!

[@khateshaholley4302]

uknow u right, first mind be telling u

[@ILovHelloKitty13]

Attempted murder needs to be 45+ years MINIMUM. HOW DARE THEY. If you’re an officer, investigator or working in the senate- how DARE you. Intent to kill is the same as successful murder, leaving their victim behind doesn’t mean they should be treated better by the law. Disgusting.

[@bodhi8297]

No attempted murder isn’t as bad as murder. No life was lost. Should the sentences be tougher? Maybe so but doesn’t mean look at things irrationally

[@LessFluff]

Officers and investigators aren't the people that decide that.

[@sabrinajohar8296]

" and he got out on bail"... I don't wanna live on this planet anymore.

[@lunabinofsin]

Sabrina Johar And i couldnt even get out for a simple FAILURE TO APPEAR cause no bonds person thought it would be okay, but i can get accepted after an attempt to kill someone in another state. Thanks, Florida.

[@evamarieleger4944]

@@lunabinofsin Florida sucks so bad when it comes to anything like that. I think they like keeping people tied up in the system for whatever reason.

[@hekaersa]

Uh, there's a guy here in the house who wants to kill me so I'll just call grandma and take a nap? Bizarre account.

[@crakhed82]

i know right,there are some things where i dont fully believe her!! im in no way condoling what he did ,disgusting animal!! but some thing seems off,why would she nap after what he said??.............jst wondering.

[@savannahmcintosh857]

This girl has excuse , after excuse . BITCH U KEEP LETTING HIM IN. BUT UR SCARED. SHE IS AS DUMB AS THEY COME. ''had a relationship at 13 but 4 years and something months go by. Girl u DIDN'T MOVEEEE ON.

[@sososohaunted]

@@savannahmcintosh857 As you get older memories can be harder to remember clearly especially if you went through something as traumatic as she did at such a young age. It's likely she can't remember certain details hence the weird gaps.

[@mousepumpkin7564]

She was young/naive. She knew her ex was crazy but didn't believe he would do anything like that to her since she knew him for years. That's why u gotta be careful and teach your kids to be careful.

[@shanicesullivan1992]

Right she kept fucking him leading him on

[@SuddenUpdraft]

Never open the door unless you know the person on the other side. Just don’t. Edit to add: 13 and 17. They were together for two years. That means 15 and 19. Ummm, illegal much?

[@Kevon15]

If the parent agrees and the child it's not an issue

[@bodhi8297]

@@Kevon15 is t parental consent usually 16?

[@Kevon15]

@@bodhi8297 no but parents r different i only know of mines

[@karma007live]

Ha! I remember a crazy ex came throwing rocks at my window and my dad went outside busting! Never had that dude act like he wanted to stalk me again! Thanks pops! Love you!

[@bubbletea9684]

When I heard abt her age I directly run to the comments 😂😂 wtf when I was 13 I was like a baby

[@samudranarayan2117]

Yes 😂

[@eryana12333]

The system failed her.

[@imoffendedthatyouareoffended]

Her own mother failed her.

[@deconcreterose]

Her parents failed her first and foremost

[@karadiberlino]

Her parents failed BIG time! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Josh729J]

liberals failed her

[@Josh729J]

@Sara Ford "for a long time" yeah and Democrats held slaves for a long time too. Nice one

[@insanexxoorynn]

I wish I had a lot of y’all as parents when I was 16 dating a 28 year old 😭😭😭😂 I realize the wrong in it now btw

[@Tomboyy9818]

Ewww, WHY🤢

[@emmu3722]

ewwwww

[@lauriefitzpatrick247]

That poor girl. They should move. Stay strong sweetheart!

[@TheSybil47]

Exactly, and maybe even change their identity.

[@tschikofcabinets2109]

Laurie Fitzpatrick ya know she’s all grown up now right?

[@cherylroberts3569]

Whats wrong with the justice system he didn't get charged with muder plus hes stalking her cant they do something

[@nikkis.3680]

I understand he can't be charged with Murder bc she is still alive but attempted murder was certainly within the prosecutions legal bounds!

[@kari7403]

They can't charge him with stalking. Because she hadnt made any police report when he was doing it at the time. So there is no evidence he did.

[@kari7403]

Its nuts they didn't put a restraining order on him at the very least.

[@mromfggggggg]

Right!! the jail just let's him send letter to his victim !! Wtf

[@kari7403]

@@mromfggggggg and call her on her birthday, if I heard right. It pissed me off the judge just told her to ignore him when he mouthed 'i love you' to her in court. The judge should have slapped him with harassment right there. Or at least threatened to do so.

[@caramelbilquees]

The police do nothing about stalking this is the problem

[@Josh729J]

The problem is that these people get let go constantly. The problem is liberals and Democrats pushing as hard as they can for people to get a slap on the wrist because they cannot possibly fathom another human being having a void of empathy

[@keneilweselela355]

In some countries they don't do anything about murder

[@RuminatingRaptor]

@@Josh729J It has nothing to do with politics. 🤦🏼‍♀️ 🤦🏼‍♀️ 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Josh729J]

@@RuminatingRaptor then why is it always democratic policies that let these criminals off

[@user-sp5ck4fs1n]

Joshua Grasser it’s not. Stop comparing about the opposite of your political views for once y’all are unbearable.

[@mariancounsellor]

What’s a 13 year old doing dating a 17 year old and why was the mom okay with it??

[@WatersFlow_27]

The way he went about trying to kill her... his actions during the fact. The demon within him showed itself. That’s crazy

[@aidankhaos7687]

No demon. It's just who he is

[@laceyb9147]

Yes said he was hissing like s snake or something🤔

[@corysummers3008]

wait, he called from prison and she accepted the call???

[@kultofbunny]

exactly!! thats what I said! he cant just start talking unless she accepted the call... theres a lot in this story that doesnt sound right

[@annerison]

Of course she did!

[@evamarieleger4944]

@@kultofbunny I thought this was strange also. I kinda expected someone to ask her the same question. I've never ever had any call from a prison or jail that didn't begin with that long automated message then me having to accept (and sometimes pay) for the call to go thru. Definitely some questionable stuff told here.

[@catherineperciado7639]

She loves the attention. Even in this interview she’s odd....

[@noneya1238]

@MZ - Good question.

[@samson5791]

How many times can you show the SAME picture of the guy!!?? Come on crime watch daily. Ridiculous

[@patricia8254]

Not even the mugshot

[@sashaburton9042]

And it’s not even a clear photo it’s completely grainy 🤣

[@geminijohnson4019]

She knew he lied about being in California,so why in the hell would she and her new boyfriend hang out with him🙍🏻‍♀️

[@shelleynobleart]

Unbelievable! My god, not notifying her he was out is about the most negligent break in the system I've ever heard.

[@angelascairato8325]

It happens a lot!

[@snapmyneck8818]

How the hell she gonna call her grandma to search the house for a psychotic 17-year old boy who literally said "I could kill you" ? Bruuuh 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ Call the popo 👮🏽

[@courtneynevitt9500]

Potato_Chii stop I’m dying 😂😂😂😂😂

[@steffyrae222]

He wasn't 17 when he did that, he was 20

[@mtio2807]

Glad the D.A saw right through her lies

[@kristinhope5286]

Yes! That's what I'm saying! I don't feel bad for her one bit. But poor grandma and grandpa lol

[@marcus8176]

I'm sorry but , what mom lets their 13 y/o daughter date a 17 y/o esp one who looked menacing as this dude, I have little sister and she made some questionable choices, but good grief, I feel like this could have been stopped by a parental intervention sooner.

[@Brewer8481]

Victim shaming

[@marcus8176]

@@Brewer8481 that is a fair statement and in retrospect you're 100% right it's wrong of me to blame her . My blame is centered more on her mother and the influences she as a legal guardian has , what's sad is parents not stepping in , in these cases because of gender standards and the fallacy of " your first love" . If recent stories have shown we as adults need to advocate for younger generations that are being exploited.

[@maggotmeatballz2692]

It depends on the 13 year old. At 13 I was still playing with dolls and had no interest in boys but my best friend was going through full blown puberty and was really into boys, we stopped being friends because of that, I still wanted to play adventure games and such while all she wanted was to go out to the street and meet with boys. Also this was in the 90's, now boys and girls are going through puberty much sooner. But I agree even if a child has gone through puberty parents should forbid them to date until they are 18.

[@ironmaven1760]

And the mom even got a sketchy vibe from him....whyyy? Idiots

[@LilLeanCuisine]

Debra Jones good.......

[@luckyKM741]

"Guy wont leave my house after threatening my life....so I took a nap." ...That worked out well.

[@suredeydo]

I assumed she had sex with him at that point. "Took a nap" 😂

[@StationBambu]

That's why 13yo are called childs...

[@Crisu20]

probably she wasn't raped but had sex with him

[@emilyhendriks7104]

she said her grandma checked the house and didn’t find him, he probably was hiding under her bed or something and she said she didn’t think he would actually try to kill her. and don’t invalidate what happened to her by saying the rape was consensual you fuckhead

[@sashaburton9042]

WTF is wrong with people? Way to blame the victim who was raped and almost murdered. She clearly stated that she called her grandma who lived two doors down and they both did a thorough search of the home. After she believed he had left she laid down to take a nap. Jesus. Way to twist the story around to make it her fault. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Pathetic

[@quansyelayne6221]

Why would a mother encourage her 13 year old daughter to be dating in the first place, she was still a child.

[@fredajordan5704]

Absolutely. Parents at fault here as well.

[@debsreno911]

For her to actually survive this was pure determination and will power. Wow!

[@Teni-yh5xz]

And God

[@lavitabella871]

And men call women crazy.... Smh. 9 times out of 10, it's a man attacking and/or killing a woman.

[@GrafittiGlitter]

MissJ ASMR exactly lol

[@jaymeemorgan7818]

@@Романо-ж2ь look it up yourself

[@Potetgullkloa]

You never hear a woman talking about her crazy ex, because she dead

[@rebecculousrk]

Strangely enough, the highest rates of domestic violence occur in lesbian couples.

[@johnnydtractive]

@@rebecculousrk Not true. It's my understanding that the issue of domestic violence in LGBTQ2S relationships has not been sufficiently studied to accurately assess rates of violence. Some studies have found the same rates of violence as in straight relationships, some have found less, some have found more. Results range from 10% to 70%, but it's not possible to accurately or definitively determine the rates of violence until better, more scientifically sound studies are done in the LGBTQ2S community. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships )

[@onasazi]

Anybody noticed Karen said to interviewer “Your brother” ? Ron Goldman’s sister is the interviewer! Her name is Kim Goldman

[@kristieallen2348]

So...

[@c.l.freeman7654]

Kinda figured that one out. Sure as hell wasn't Fred

[@gingerbrew517]

Omg I was looking for that comment! YES I noticed that too! How crazy that is

[@diendiana]

When did Karen said that? 😳 which minute?

[@Nicky-fu8ik]

Dien Diana she said it around 3:56

[@HunkMine]

She is so lucky to be alive, when you get a stalker death threat it is serious as it gets

[@wurlds1st722]

She though something was odd🧐 duh she’s 13 he’s 17 wtf

[@andrebowling9864]

How could he call her from jail if they changed their number, and why did she accept a collect call from jail to begin with?

[@tws3184392233]

Yeah I believe he hurt her and all that, but that part doesn't make sense. You have to accept the call.

[@jenn1207]

She might of wanted to have proof he called n to face him

[@marypeter8266]

The jail has literally never called me to see if it’s okay for an inmate to dial my number... I don’t know where you got this information or whether they do that in your places of residence but they don’t do that in mine.

[@ladywillow2961]

Why is he still able to contact the victim?

[@brighteyes4927]

Tries to kill her Doesn’t get charged with attempted murder Wtf

[@cassidyanne2885]

*Karen’s Law.. I’ll sign it.*

[@soph5669]

She let him in each time. Years of him showing up no one called the cops . The parents allowed it . These are idiots . Karen’s law 🥴🙄

[@georgehovhannisyan6607]

I agree with you.

[@MAHVISH1000]

Count me in!

[@AinLovesRed]

This case makes me angry. So upset for Karen

[@leohiggins7737]

Yahminah Ain I am upset with this girl. She is not very bright , she never broke off with him until he stabbed her.

[@lisamiddleton3475]

Our justice system fails way too many who are victims of violent crimes. How earth was he not charged with attempted murder?! That district attorney should be ashamed of themselves. This was one of the more stressful accounts I’ve ever watched on true crime daily. I’m just speechless at the lack of justice she received. How horrific is it for her to now have to face him every year to ensure he stays in prison. I can’t even imagine the fear she will feel when he gets out. This really should’ve been a death penalty case! Attempted murder that was clearly premeditated and Heynis as it was deserves the death penalty. This woman should not have to be in fear for the rest of her life. This man is not going to change. And he will do this to somebody else when he gets out.

[@nikkis.3680]

Agreed! Unfortunately that "someone else" will likely be her.

[@nikkis.3680]

@@sarahjustice526 - That is true and there's research that backs it up. Over 3 decades worth of around 2000 exonerations black men were 3 x more likey to have been cleared later than their white counterparts with the same criminal convictions. Race unfortunately does still play a huge role in our criminal justice system.

[@sarahjustice526]

@@nikkis.3680 same thing is happening here in Canada,yes I am talking about a researched assessment of the North America justice system and how race plays a role in decisions made in courts and allow some criminals back in the street to reoffend. Surely this lady Karen should not have suffered such an ugly ordeal at such a young, young age. Let us pray he is kept in locked for so long to learn a lesson. Lenard is a Psychopath and too dangerous,I cannot believe he still continues to torture her behind bars.

[@nikkis.3680]

@@sarahjustice526 - Yes it is very scary and sad that well educated people like Judges and attorneys who hold lives in their hands can still be so ignorant and prejudice when deciding someones fate. Another alarming part I read in that article was that even after black prisoners have been exonerated from wrongful convictions, on average they spend 3 more years in prison waiting to get their name cleared and actually released than their white counterparts! I agree it is terrible that this lady has to live in fear of this psychopath for the rest of her life and the fact that he's still allowed to stalk and harass her behind bars is just crazy! All the more reason that all races and ethnicities should be outraged by the racial injustices that are still happening today in 2019 because it truly does affect every single one of us!

[@nikkis.3680]

@@sarahjustice526 - I used to think that when people would make comments like your 1st one that they were just " playing the race card". It wasn't until I actually researched this topic and educated myself about racism that I realized how prevalent it really still is and how wrong I had been. Its eye opening when you actually take the time to look up the facts.

[@GenXfrom75]

When I was 14, I thought I knew all. I met a man via an old-fashioned "chat line" on the phone because I was an only child and my mom worked night shift. Alone a lot, I soon got lonely. I agree to meet this man who was 26, btw. What followed was a nightmare. Pay attention to your kids, people. ALWAYS. I am 45 now, and have PTSD from that experience.

[@rajeshtiwari5518]

What happened??

[@marietaylor9032]

Glad my 13 year old is young at heart. We snuggle at bedtime lol. No boys.

[@buckleupbuttercup3038]

What a blessing !

[@phyllisdevries5734]

so am I my girl was 16 and her bf was 6 months younger

[@natemarx4999]

God, I am so petrified to have a daughter.

[@wildones9339]

You should...I've let a guy down gently before and still got cursed out.

[@jmacjr101]

SAME.

[@carolinestone4527]

I have a teenage daughter, and it is indeed scary. Luckily, I also have a husband and two 20-something sons.

[@michelem7577]

@Battle Kitten I am so sorry it happened to your son. If he didnt already tell him to see a therapist, they really do help. I was in a marriage --- 8 yrs of hell.

[@reginaanderson9379]

Nate Murdoch , this statement is not PC, but I taught my daughter that all boys are predators until they prove otherwise :(

[@leymarron2469]

Wasn't their relationship illegal ? She shouldn't have had a bf let alone a 17 year old.

[@trinettmcghee4859]

They white system only charge blacks....sorry

[@BrookeKatherine.]

Trinett McGhee isn’t that a stupid argument? If the woman was black you’d be screaming “you’d never see this kind of treatment to a white woman”. Don’t act like there aren’t black men that get reduced charges.

[@somebody4244]

Yeah it is, but so is beating and stabbing her to death so why don’t you save your outrage for that instead.

[@ImplosiveCatt]

They were dating for 2 years so their relationship became illegal when he turned 18.

[@hayliedlr]

As far as I know as long as they don't have sex

[@Bookish_Lattes]

"And after two years together the teen LOVERS broke up" Nobody sees a problem with that whole sentence? Then she moves on to another boyfriend. She's 15 for crying out loud. Jesus.

[@todds79jag]

before he left my house he told me he could kill me if he wanted too,,.... the next day he came over... what did i do.... I let him in of course.... WTF.... what a ding a ling

[@xIIIQueenOfSwordsIIIx]

todd sebastian yes! I couldn’t believe that, silly girl...

[@Potetgullkloa]

She was only 13

[@todds79jag]

@@Potetgullkloa 13 and dumb AF

[@yessshashaadventures4385]

No she was 16 by this time

[@aimejohnson2812]

todd sebastian she was a child....

[@artjenny]

The way she tells us what happened. You can tell how traumatized she's been through since that day but still manage to live everyday and share to us her story, what a brave woman. I hope he's locked up for good.

[@danielled8779]

It's really irritating how the result is more important than the intent in the justice system. He intended to brutally kill her, he should not get a lighter sentence because she survived. Similarly, there is a psychology professor in my city that was convicted of attempted murder. The victim survived, but will be scarred forever. Now this man is a professor and thriving, it does not make any sense to me.

[@deewalker6944]

Scary shit these animals should be executed!

[@kyleec384]

Sounds about white to me.

[@maddypetersen8573]

Danielle D this is well-worded af! I strongly agree

[@GEARMOAUTO]

A crazy stalker mentions killing and strangling you. He comes over uninvited. He's in the house. Time to take a nap?

[@victoryyates]

😂😂😂

[@fabiwilliams4644]

I'm with you there. You don't need to be strangled to get the message

[@tymom9313]

The grandma came over & couldn't find him, so she left?

[@misskelly9184]

Someone attempted murder on my life. After he made bail he attempts to murder someone else. I just don't understand the system.

[@quashawnmurphy1456]

Wow! Thank God you're still here! I hope you never have to go through something like that again! ❤❤❤ has he been arrested since then?

[@amberkelly8055]

My ex husband did the same to me. We are survivors 💜 I hope you are you a stronger person, I know that I am!!!

[@Bettersucksaul]

Jfc a lot of insane men out there. My ex boyfriend threatened my life as well.

[@shannon6281]

“Something odd” yeah he’s 17 and your daughter is 13 ... what a bad parent

[@daisyatilano2578]

Not a bad parent . you can do everything right and guess what that kid will still do what they please.

[@Sindollx666x]

Unfair to judge someone based on that. Trust between a parent and child can be incredible. It was (is still) between my mom and myself.

[@bloodydove5718]

@@Sindollx666x lmao it doesnt matter how much you trust Your kid... a 17 year old trying to date someone thats either still in middle school or Just got into highschool... Something is wrong with that 17 year old. Regardless of how much you trust Your kid... theres still the other person. When people are older, 4 years isnt that big of a deal quite often, it isnt a big deal at all... but when you're that young, those 4 years represent a pretty huge disparity in experience and understanding. Someone who can be considered an adult in a few months... trying to get with someone that young... Its not at all surprising to hear how controlling he was, let alone how dangerous. Its no wonder he tried going for someone that young and naive; people his age could more easily smell the problems on him.

[@Sindollx666x]

@@bloodydove5718 I agree with your statement mostly. But I do it's circumstantial, person to person. But there is DEFINITELY a massive difference in age 13 - 17 simply for the development of the mind & experience, maturity, etc. Though some kids are different case by case, is what I mean by circumstantial.

[@bloodydove5718]

@@Sindollx666x if you look at everything case by case and ignore trends, might as well through everything we know about childhood development and psychology out. Humans have patterns, yes everyone is different, but the exception doesnt make the rule. More than likely than not, you'll find a predatory situation at that age with that age gap

[@houseofsolomon2440]

Why did she invite Leonard to hang out with her and her new boyfriend?!

[@GoblynGoods]

I can think of a couple of reasons. Making sure he knows she’s not alone. Maybe she is just wanted a fresh platonic start and this was a safe way to cement that.

[@lindanicola]

How could she have fallen asleep upstairs knowing he was around and about the house?!

[@houseofsolomon2440]

@@GoblynGoods There are safer ways to ensure Leonard knew she wasn't alone, had a new boyfriend, than organizing a group hangout. Human nature contains jealousy - and seeing the new boyfriend in person had massive potential for igniting violent actions, which it did.

[@CovidConQuitTheCensorship]

@Linda Nicola - Yeah there's a lot here that just doesn't add up. As others have mentioned, she accepted the prison call, yet acted shocked when she heard his voice? She found him creepy yet continued to see him for 2 years, then he stalks her but she continues a friendship with him? Then goes to meet him at the front door (or maybe even let him in) after he had already apparently threatened to kill her. If she was genuinely afraid for her life, why would she do that? And then as you say, to go to sleep with him still in the house? It just doesn't add up

[@shenell1185]

@@CovidConQuitTheCensorship seems like they had an intimate relationship long after they broke up ?

[@jemportal4166]

I'm so glad that Karen survived this tragedy, but wow...to have to live with that trauma every single day. My heart goes out to her and her family.

[@lizzypooh3536]

13 dating a 17 yr old.... I blame the parents!

[@denisejones480]

Lizzy Pooh me too

[@fofysteen]

I blame the rapist murderer, parenting is hard

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Were you never a defiant teenager, who knew best about everything...?

[@takayabowen3024]

Sorry but I didn’t think I hear correctly, 13 years old and 17 years in a relationship and the parents allowed that

[@glennystt918]

Takaya Bowen a mighty fine question you ask??? Thank you. I think there should have been others asking that very same question right from the beginning

[@fionaamarieee9093]

Give him the death penalty! People like him DO NOT deserve a second chance

[@paranoidewok6772]

"Did Karen express any concern?" Yes, of course. Karen's always express concerns.

[@lifeoflucas3250]

My only suspicion is when you get a call from jail/prison it tells you who's calling and from what facility. Why would she even stay on the line after knowing who was on the line?

[@kyra5657]

That’s crazy that her interviewers brother was murdered by OJ.

[@thegrandcanyonisegypt2489]

New evidence still says O.J. did not do it😩 Try Glen Rogers & Martica Clark is a jurus doctor not an attorney

[@gentlemann2458]

Kyra, I thought I was hearing things. But that is what she said.

[@BlueGeen]

I guess she's Ron's sis!

[@pamelahoward1899]

@@BlueGeen Yes, she is Ron's, Sister. She's been doing this for a while.

[@pamelahoward1899]

@@thegrandcanyonisegypt2489 A Juris Doctorate is a degree in Law. All Attornies have them. It is awarded by completing Law School.

[@TheRedsofine]

That’s Ron Goldman’s sister. I get the OJ thing now. She looks just like him.

[@elainevankat5353]

Yes, she does! Very sad story...

[@wendydebois1685]

Ya, that is her. I thought I've seen her before. Her family's been through hell also...sad

[@Losingsince]

17 year-olds dating 13 year-olds make my skin crawl and give me the creeps. When I was 17 I wouldn't even think about dating girls younger than me. What kind of parent allows that also???

[@fevwan9369]

Wow.. at 13 im still playing hide and seek with friends

[@alwaysyouramanda]

nyl wan right? I had a friend who was sleeping with an 18 year old just casually. 🙄

[@bp7671]

GOOD!! Lol stay young as long as you can

[@Jst4fun817]

Exactly what I did at 13😂

[@jenniferz2232]

Shit I'm 38 and still play hide n seek with friends 😂😂

[@cgarcia1327]

Girl you're more like a Wonder Woman. You are so brave and tough. No one should be judging because we all make mistakes. You keep fighting for your life. May God bless and be with you always

[@catspjs6229]

C Garcia thank you for making the only decent comment.

[@annerison]

She's a dumb dumb

[@sunnys3325]

Wish he jumped. Peace n love to this beautiful girl.

[@sakinasi3821]

Having a full on relationship at 13 and it went on for tow years😳 Mom ?