This Is The BEST Controller I've Ever Used. 1000 Hz, Adjustable Hall Effect Sticks & Mouse Switches

[@TrueGameData]

Link to ArtIsWar's video with more analytical analyses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2jUameGg7yfq80si=dbMzBsr0hDWSJXwC Don't forget to like the video and subscribe if you appreciate the content! So close to 250k!

[@ChrisAdams180]

This controller feels so good! also this thing feels like M&K inputs that's the best way I can describe it.

[@Oldo]

Can you compare polling rate between dongle, bluetooth and wired please

[@sQuaTsiFieD]

could you tell me what kontrol freeks fit this controller? I bought one a couple days ago and none of them fit. Looks like you had one on in start of video

[@TrueGameData]

​@@sQuaTsiFieD Playstation kontrolfreeks just barely fit but I got it on there

[@Rustydude2030]

ArtisWar's vid is great too, but you gotta check out The Controller Captain @GamerHeaven

[@vice214]

The Hall effect is an effect that occurs because of the Lorentz force. Essentially, if a charged particle moves with vertical component through a magnetic field, then the Lorentz force deflects the electrons to the left. This causes electrons going through a metal collect on one side, which creates a voltage called the Hall voltage. This voltage can be measured. As for how this is used in the controller, I’d assume, that the stick is attached to a magnet, or a sensor, and moving the stick changes the magnitude of the Hall effect, which can be detected by measuring the Hall current.

[@LowKickMT]

your long haul flight seat neighbor if you make eye contact

[@prowlerrSZN]

@@LowKickMT💀💀💀💀

[@scumkevin]

what

[@Ehonda24]

Yapping trying to look smart in KZbin comments…

[@vice214]

@@Ehonda24 educating people so they understand tech is not yapping to sound smart… I have no need to prove anyone on the internet if or that I am smart. Couldn’t care less. Just a comment for those interested. You are obviously not interested. Why not just ignore my comment then?

[@georgerr335]

30 secs in and ytou showing pure fkin authenticity thank you tony for not seeing us as cattle

[@TrueGameData]

moo

[@Jimbodawg]

Yeah fr I can go watch something else since I'm not on PC lol

[@mrniceguyfrodo]

Tony is a no filter straight up guy. One of the best.

[@whyyn0tt.]

I was afraid this video, days after artiswar's, was indication Flydigi were paying for reviews...but Tony dispelled that almost immediately.

[@Twobetrayals]

Friggen legend.

[@Flydigi]

Thank you all for your love and support for our product. We are committed to exploring innovative features on our controller that can bring revolutionary changes and better serve the gaming community. In the future, we will continue to incorporate more innovative technologies into our controllers, so stay tuned!

[@supernice_auto]

looking forward to the next iteration of this wonderful controller- you guys are killing it!

[@MrSidkhan1]

Change ur back button/paddle layout please, and trigger stops, but nice controller

[@supernice_auto]

@@MrSidkhan1 whats wrong with the back buttons? they feel great after some getting used to

[@MrSidkhan1]

​@supernice_auto vertical would be better, how our fingers naturally sit and hold the controller, without adjusting your fingers or hand

[@Rajusharmal]

​@@MrSidkhan1the back button are better than xbox elite

[@cthecav]

Elite series 2 also has the adjustable stick tension but has a ton of other common defects

[@SixpennyHail45]

I won't buy another Elite series 2 controller, I've had too many issues

[@c0rpse1]

@@SixpennyHail45 it doesnt have any defects or issues that other controllers wont have. just about every company uses generic shitty 100000 click micro switches for bumpers, and all companies (besides this one) use carbon potentiometers. guess what? you can literally install ps4 microswitches or sticks into an xbox controller, and its the same part.

[@Dopamine-87]

ive been through 5 since they released 😭

[@i_amChrisJxmes]

@@c0rpse1lol yes they do.

[@SixpennyHail45]

@@i_amChrisJxmes exactly! I've had two Elite & 3 Aimcontrollers.

[@Snaggums]

I upgraded to this controller from the Gamesir T4 Kaleid, and it’s awesome. On top of the fast performance, the thumb sticks are easily the smoothest I’ve ever tried. Not enough controller brands are innovating in their thumb sticks, and I’m super impressed with Flydigi’s.

[@shfd3832]

What's better in apex 4 than gamesir t4 kaleid?

[@Snaggums]

@@shfd3832 the main reason I switched was because I wanted 4 back buttons, but every button on the controller feels great. The face buttons are clicky like the Kaleid, but the triggers with force feedback are cool because you can customize them to have short travel for shooters. The main thing I like about the Apex 4 is the thumb sticks though. They’re the smoothest thumb sticks of any controller I’ve ever used. I switch back and forth between kbm and controller and I’ve found myself wanted to play controller more just because I love the feeling of aiming and moving on the Apex.

[@shfd3832]

@@Snaggums kbm means?

[@Snaggums]

@@shfd3832 Keyboard & Mouse

[@CarmineCross]

@@shfd3832Keyboard and Mouse

[@baldcarrots]

Awesome video! Not sure how deep into controllers you currently are, but after reading and researching everything I could I got a GameSir T4 Kaleid controller. Hall effect, paddle buttons, mechanical buttons, all for about $40CAD. I've had nothing but good experiences with it. A bit of a hidden gem. Only downside is that it is wired, but playing on PC this hasnt been an issue for me. Just thought you might be interested.

[@JustGiverEHD1]

t4 kalied is a great controller, been using mine for almost a years and no issues, i primarily play cod,warzone and FPS games. liked so much i bought another one, don't sleep on it

[@jswagg3r1]

Just ordered one. Thanks for the info

[@dutch1up567]

It’s better Wired lol

[@ToastyTM]

How is it being wired an issue in the slightest? Less input delay.

[@Zstray17]

That paddle layout is why I can’t get away from the XB Elite 2. I just wish they were more durable and tested better

[@Shadowed_Earth]

I need this controller and the elite to have babies then I'd be happy but with tactical triggers

[@kurs3d280]

I have the Razer wolverwine v2 pro and it's the best upgrade to an elite series 2

[@weaksauce7896]

@@kurs3d280do the joysticks feel like the regular xbox ones? blind bought g7 se and hate how loose the joysticks are. looking at the wolverine and vader pro rn

[@jaredlambert7714]

Was about to snag a new controller soon, glad I saw this and Art's video.

[@mikeD1234]

I would’ve loved to see the Gamesir G7 SE in this comparison. It is wired but it has 2 back buttons, Hall effect sticks and triggers, can be overclocked to 1000 and it’s only $45. Best value I’ve ever seen for a controller. Idk if they’re even making money or they’re just trying to get their name out there.

[@agilesh8485]

Please keep sharing your experiences with electronics, i highly appreciate it from someone knowledgeable of 1s and 0s 😊

[@templarturbo]

I have the FlyDiGi Vader 3 pro and it has been really solid for the $80 I paid and I highly recommend it if on a budget. This seems to be a upgrade in most areas. Just a FYI, Brook makes an adapter called a "wingman" to make it so it can be used on PS4/5 or Xbox (need the one specific to the console). The adapter is like $45 for playstation and $50 for xbox.

[@zachschoenberg4474]

Thanks for the info about the adaptor. Do you know if the controller in the video works with the adaptor?

[@tcrviper]

​@zachschoenberg4474 Yes, I have this controller for my series x and the Brookwingman adapter.

[@tcrviper]

Yes.... I have this controller for my series x

[@ineedmoney5113]

Where you been TGD??? We need season 4 close/long range vids!!!

[@TestSubj3ct9]

Been waiting on this too!!

[@overthehillgames]

appreciate you being up front. really appreciate it. Thumbs up.

[@Kuriketto]

The trigger "stops" that can be set in software are due to the triggers having their own feedback mechanisms similar to the Dualsense's adaptive triggers. Pulling through the soft stop means you're overcoming the feedback motor's resistance.

[@timofysmif]

My favourite controller setup is the ps5 eXtremeRate rise4 back button kit 50$ CDN. With the clicky hair trigger kit 20$ and clicky faceplate kit 20$. Gotta install it yourself but it’s easy and fun

[@will-eight]

I did basically the same thing with my basic ps5 controller. Added metal back paddles (plastic ones kept breaking), clicky triggers, and also glow in the dark thumbsticks. Haven't had an issue since I got. I just wish the 2 middle back buttons (not the paddles) were in a better spot and easier to use. Sometimes feel like I have to stretch and press hard to use them. Other 2 main paddles you use are perfect.

[@OLDAD_]

Thanks I’m going to check it out! Elite series 2 is my favorite of all the controllers I have tried so far

[@MrTerduckin]

i just ordered the apex 4 from banggood. Coming from a ES2 and im excited. A good thing about the hall effect triggers is it will teach you to relax your grip, allowing for finer aim control.

[@OLDAD_]

@@MrTerduckin nice! Let me know how you like it

[@pro50joe]

I've had there other controllers in my amazon cart for a year now just waiting for them to drop a controller with mappable back buttons. Glad you made this video!

[@spdycs]

The beauty of hall effect is that while you can set it to trigger instantly, even if you keep pulling back, you can also set it to instantly ‘de-trigger’ and re-trigger from any position

[@ThisisBen]

Love my Vader 3 Pro, which is basically the mid level version of this controller. 500Hz polling, switches between regular and mouse click triggers, and 4 back buttons. My hands were made for the Xbox layout and no matter how much I use it, the PS layout is just not for me.

[@flow89-v6j]

Everyone thought on money, the Gamesir G7 SE has Hall effect sticks and triggers, two back buttons and is less then a standard Xbox controller

[@BlackJesus8463]

Kaleid T4 has the clicky face buttons and its only $40.

[@ilikewaffles3689]

Wired

[@MumboJumboZXC]

@@ilikewaffles3689so less input lag? Hardly a downside, especially if you get a monitor for your console instead of a TV

[@ilikewaffles3689]

@@MumboJumboZXC um, they're both 1000 Hz polling rate so input latency will be the same?

[@Sliceofgaming55]

@@ilikewaffles3689wireless always has more latency even if they have the same polling rate

[@boosted91]

Thoughts on gamepadla's latency tests? It looks like on that site the button latency is lowest on DS5 edge, but on your total system testing it's basically negligible

[@xavik720]

Razed onza stick tension adjustment has been my most favorite feature of any controller I’ve had. So glad that’s back here

[@brandon2222nodnarb]

Easily the best controller I’ve ever used Razer onza

[@juicearth999]

for the price, is this controller better or mamba one? also I really think the one thing with these 2 controllers that are lacking is the fabric grips, coming from elite controller its a hard setback for me. Any type of grip is just so much better than the standard plastic one. also metal buttons would be nice.

[@johnmccausland8466]

Thanks for the upfront waiver that it's an Xbox layout and PC only. I've liked and commented to payback for your honest accountability. Love your work sir! ❤

[@PetahRoy]

Couldn’t download the software for some reason. Had an error code .Net running 1618.

[@TRiPPYDABS]

Wish I could share pictures of what I did with my fly digi 4 to make my own trigger stops, worked sooo damn well. I kept pushing through and couldn’t stop 😂 it’s absolutely amazing 10/10 would recommend it

[@PewPewMike]

no S4 vids??

[@SliCk_XP]

I know you mentioned it's own software came with it, but do you know if it will work with DS4Windows?

[@extremeterror_1177]

The elite series 2 paddles do seem like an accessibility feature so hopefully they can cone out with one that has swappable back paddles

[@Rudez1]

You have insane timing LOL I literally just bought a flydigi. Although the Vader 3 Pro model, still crazy you posted this lol.

[@AshX_human]

super nice review man, simple and on the point

[@david243121]

Just got mine in today. It's pretty nice. Coming from a powerA Fusion Pro. It feels pretty good.. still getting used to it. One thing I noticed which I really don't like, is when you have it set on Trigger Lock mode, and bring make the trigger pull pretty short - 10-30 range on the slider - it takes a significant pressing force to trigger a shot. It should trigger sooner. It's a bit of a bummer, and it makes it REALLY difficult to shoot a single fire pistol quickly. Makes playing COD kinda difficult. **** take this feedback with a grain of salt, as I've only been using the controller for about 2 hours.

[@TheParad0cks]

I have this controller and I'm having this same issue I can't win any drops if I don't find an AR

[@seanpair1382]

The stick spring to make them have more resistance was the main reason I loved the elite controllers. But the stick drift was such a problem with them. I had 4 replaced under warranty. So I switched to scuff. I like how they incorporated what i loved about the elite. Might give this control a try. $150 on Amazon is a good price imo.

[@BigTastey]

You not doing a video on season 4 metas bro????

[@Killabates_]

Loved the controller up until last night when the Left Stick broke, I had it set to medium tension. I am getting it replaced via Amazon but sure Hope it lasts longer than 2 months this time. I will try setting the Tension down to low to see if it lasts longer. Happy Gaming Everyone!

[@vader80_gaming]

I have used a couple of other controllers with mouse switches and I ran into problems where the button press were not registering at all. Have you experienced anything like that with this controller?

[@Phillipmamowfwifharts]

I just want a controller with the right thumbstick is swapped with the Face Buttons (ABXY). It is such a more comfortable position.

[@whyyn0tt.]

Anybody on the fence like I was, there's a limited deal on Amazon RIGHT NOW 5/12 that drops it to $135.99. The deal stacks with a promo they have going on, making it $111.99 before tax. 8-10 days shipping is the only downside.

[@killshot3331]

It shows the limited time deal but I don’t see the promo. They’re only $78 on Ali express with the same shipping time so I’m thinking that’s the way to go

[@whyyn0tt.]

@@killshot3331 good call, I'd heard aliexpress were cheaper, but wasn't sure about shipping time or return policy. Solid deal it sounds like!

[@killshot3331]

@@whyyn0tt. Amazon is probably the smartest but the tight-ass in me wants to save some money since it’s something I don’t need lol. Where do you see the promo to get it for $111.19? That would be the best of both worlds

[@randomwarzoneclips4904]

Man I'm really bummed about the back button placement, why they wouldn't be set up to have 4 fingers on 4 buttons I don't understand. Probably going to prevent me from buying.

[@boredbmxer8827]

Been rocking my Vader 3 for a year now. Love it!

[@kanz7329]

what about the turtle beach one?

[@FirstOfHisNameSolaire]

The series 2 joysticks can be adjusted by using the key it comes with as well unless you mean it’s a better joystick adjustment.

[@najman2741]

Tony said get that meta gen foos

[@samgreen8582]

You can adjust stick tension on an elite series two. Three settings...

[@cesaresp101]

gamesire t4 kaleid is insane as well. i just wish there was a ps4/ps5 stick version

[@BlackJesus8463]

forealz why are they alwasy xbox layout. Its a worse controller design than PS just to be different.

[@cesaresp101]

@@BlackJesus8463 agree 100%. Ps layout allows for left hand claw

[@Bruh__88]

Random thought… what’s the difference between fast hands and quick bolt?! Trying to see which is better to use and if using both will change reload time?! Thanks

[@DeGenerals_Warzone]

Season 4 meta video! Tony we need you :-) !

[@od813]

For anyone who has owned this controller, how long has it lasted? Is it reliable?

[@claytonfisher5421]

As an fpv pilot, I always wondered if or when Hall effect gimbals would ever make it to gaming controllers. That alone makes me want to try this controller out.

[@ThisisBen]

Technically, they were around in the 80s and 90s, but they never caught on(probably due to manufacturing costs and the death of the Sega Dreamcast).

[@mrniceguyfrodo]

I bought a Gamesir G7 se 1000hz hall effect controller for my Xbox series x and it's a beauty. Only cost me €45

[@matthewlouk7239]

Love my game sir. I do wish the sticks were a little more resistive to movement!!

[@djabouty47]

Same. On PC I followed some GitHub link to rebind the share button to clip something with the Nvidia app. The experience has been great

[@jedirayden]

I will be looking into this, thanks for the tip!

[@mrniceguyfrodo]

@@matthewlouk7239 a little bit of calibration and you're set.

[@djambox1439]

@@mrniceguyfrodo calibration doesnt change the resistance of the spring though

[@TriszSZN]

I have a question, I see in all the reviews the input latency being praised of this controller, but on the gamepadle website, the cable latency for the flydigi apex4 appears to be twice as high as the dual sense. Is this correct? What are your thoughts on that? Because when I see youtubers testing with xinput, the flydigi apex4 scores better every time?

[@papasquatch2432]

Definitely might check this out. I use a elite series 2 now. Been with the series controllers since they first dropped.

[@zjsz4954]

The elite 2 you can adjust stick tension too

[@TRiPPYDABS]

Yup! Facts I have that same controller and it’s suuuch a great controller however you can push past the trigger stops so I carfull drilled in my own trigger stops and now it’s an absolute beast

[@carvez5813]

Can you link where you got the grips? For the thumb sticks?

[@LilPogchampMark]

Better buy than the Elite core 2?

[@oscarnave]

Getting mine this next week, excited to put my hands on it 😄

[@sonofgodraj]

For the scuf envision pro it feels better in your hand when you use your ring fingers for the paddles instead of your middle finger. It felt awkward when I tried my middle finger for them.

[@hillbillyjustice8213]

If this had the ps layout and the 2 extra buttons like the scuff envision, it would be perfect. I LOVE those extra buttons and the PlayStation layout just feels better to me

[@ronjones3977]

Elite series 2 has ability to change stick tension ...pop off the sticks and you'll see a small Phillips screw the controller comes with a tool to adjust

[@daviddelaney4106]

Flydigi Vader 4 Pro is amazing. I love that controller.

[@treebtreat]

What'd you put on top of your right thumbstick?

[@jameskiker4128]

Have they updated there stick design yet like the vader 4 ? Many people have had there sticks die as early as doa or days in

[@cartoonsquirrel1]

You forgot to mention it’s mode switch feature right on controller you can switch from pc ,switch ,and phone

[@R3DST1CK]

This is my question if I own an envision should buy this now or wait until my scuf breaks

[@fuscazo5399]

please, add to Metagen builder a variable for hipfire spread or something, or whatever you find more suitable to build hipfire SMGs. as a mouse and keyboard player i find hipfire builds very useful against aim-assist players in close range fights. anyway, it just would be nice to be able to make hipfire builds. i dont know if its possible right now, but i couldnt figure out how if possible. thx.

[@mfarhant9349]

is there any face cover replacement ?

[@great_Caligola]

You were on MnK too before u switched right? I mean I can completely understand that, given just how powerful AA is but its just kinda sad to see that there are almost no creators left who play MnK.

[@Chris-pc2hw]

The Xbox elite series 2 also has tension adjustment with a similar key.

[@perm1730]

Do you also know what the PS4 controllers polling rate is?

[@loganstrawberry]

I daily drive the Vader 3 Pro (also from FLYDIGI), and it’s a great option in the $50 to $100 range. It’s missing some of the customization features of the Apex, but the performance is top notch.

[@Zeus_Sama]

Does this controller have rumble? What about battery life?

[@leoamaral2292]

Most trusted sorce !! Just bought it without hesitation. Your reputation proceeds you bro!

[@silencerstudent9381]

dude IVE BEEN WAITING SOOOOO LONG

[@louisferreira1012]

So there's no model with the PlayStation layout? 😭

[@TheSwaroopB]

Do the triggers have haptic feedback/vibrations?

[@stevenposadas1471]

Is the alixpress the same control form the Amazon one ?

[@hectorramirez5227]

I love the elite series 2, adjustable tension, 3 level of trigger travel and magnetic accessories but it does get stick drift over time and the latency isn’t the best

[@LopamineOD]

Will say, the elite series pro has adjustable stick tension as well. Although I don’t like mine.

[@matthiasbroek8055]

I have got the Vader 3 pro to give controllers a try but even aim assist cannot make up for my lack of controller skills. Wonder if the adjustable stick tension would be help full in controlling my aim better.

[@rml53595]

Store page on amazon states that it does support the Nintendo switch!

[@MacBig.]

Can you share your configuration for cod with this controller? Struggling how do I open the tec-map

[@CaptainKeyHunt]

You sold me till the back button positioning. I currently use an envision pro and it took some getting used to but I now manage to use 4 fingers on the paddles at the same time but I hate that only 2 of the paddles are removable and the other 2 of the paddles are a moulded part of the rear shell and where they attach isn't very strong.... already on a warranty replacment for one breaking.

[@dysennn]

just got mine now, and in my mind it had physical trigger stops. i'm really hoping i will get used to the magnetic trigger stops 😭

[@classiccj2569]

Well you can use a converter usb dongle to use it om Xbox with unlimited access, unlike the PS5 where it will ask for you to use a DualSense controller if you play a PS5 game. It still lets you scroll through the menu on PS, but you can't play the games.

[@truesonic669]

How do I get it

[@classiccj2569]

@@truesonic669 I've heard of a brand called Brook that has converters, but they aren't cheap, at least to me. I'm not sure how expensive other converters are, but I've only heard of Brook and that they work really well.

[@kappakeepo4499]

i bought one and currently returning it due to Left stick click getting stuck and the hitting up on the dpad now inputs right click idk how......the L3 problem was not anything crazy but the dpad problem renders it a paperweight

[@TechnicaX]

Great review and knowledge

[@WaronsHot]

I managed to break mine without a week if they add hair triggers it would be perfect. I am currently running an flydigi vader 3 pro and overal its a better controller except ror the adjustable thumbstick tension and polling rate (500 vs 1000)

[@Rosudo]

What thumbstick cap are you using? I have tried to find one that fits it

[@JarrettEatWorld]

Can you test the Razer Wolverine V3 controller?

[@enigmuh]

All it needs is elite series 2 style paddles, and mouse click triggers

[@snarlynx1]

Thank you so much for the info even at the expense of the algo

[@Parwitch69]

Hope that you are going to talk about ergonomic since you came from using Dualsense Edge, just like me. I found that I can press R1 & L1 easier with Dualsense than when using Xbox. And since Flydigi is using Xbox’s shape. I really concern about this. (Dualsense natural position leave my index finger at R1L1, I can move finger down to press the trigger easily. BUT Xbox put my index finger at trigger by default, it’s hard to move finger up to press R1L1 because my middle and ring fingers have to stay low for the grip which limit the upward movement of index finger.)

[@khalil245]

I have the apex 3 specials edition it's exactly the same as apex 4 except for the adjustable stick tension and it's come with 3 differents sizes sticks and a whirls charger i have it for a year now and i can tell it's feels so premium it's the best controler i have played with, so durable

[@thrax_843]

What’s the polling rate and latency on a scuf reflex ?

[@Spitsinbums]

Thanks tony

[@kaykay-rw5xi]

Just ordered an Aim controller with haul effect thumb sticks, it’s my second controller from them, also very good

[@NoXQc]

Ive been having issues with my Razer Wolverine V2 in the past two weeks and you release this video… yes it’s already purchased from aliexpress. 118$CAD is much cheaper than any other ‘premium’ controllers out there in Canada

[@worldfamousfilms]

how do u get the 15% off amazon??