Trump Indictment, Jordan Peterson & Capitalism DEBATE On The

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[@Disatiere]

"Mental absue is still abuse" "we have different defnitions of abuse" .... this is such an underrated messed up statement

[@Revan058]

While I absolutely disagree with what *he* thinks is abuse, I also, as an easy example, disagree with the hysterionic cries of 'abuse' from wokescolds because 99% of the time they're just lying or pulling things out of their ass.

[@Disatiere]

​@@Revan058 Do people sometimes lie about things. Yes. What is your point? Like no seriously, you specifically chose to stop and take time to write this comment, and i really dont understand the relevance

[@ezachleewright2309]

​@@Revan058"Wah wah wah wah wah, wah wah wah wah, wah."

[@serversurfer6169]

Yeah. I was surprised everybody else just let that slide. 🤷‍♂

[@Disatiere]

@@serversurfer6169 I mean, they didint, i more mean comments wise, in the talk they did actually test if its something theycould talk about but after responding that he doesnt trust modern psychology.... like what can you do? He doesnt trust any of the empirical evidence and data gathered by experts in the field, not much you can debate there

[@CraftingSelf]

Saying teachers have to narc on kids using different pronouns is saying that part of a teachers' job is to act as a parents' proxy in enforcing their value system/worldview. Nope. Teachers aren't there to be an arm of the parents, and they aren't the cops.

[@Priestofgoddess]

Yeah, teachers already have the short end of the stick and surely can't also successfully figure out if parents will react badly to such news. Even more, not every teacher is as good/invested in his job.

[@blah204]

Okay and do the teachers have to Marc on students who don’t respect another students pronouns?

[@CallieYote]

​@@blah204i mean, to the school to manage the problem between the students, sure.

[@dracocrusher]

​@@blah204 Ideally, they'd maintain order in the school while also letting kids work out their own problems. It's not a teacher's place to force kids to reveal things about themself that they're not comfortable with. But also, if stuff like that becomes a problem in the classroom then at some point they do have to step in just to stop drama, right? Just being Trans isn't a problem. But actively bullying someone Trans can absolutely be a problem, and if it goes too far then they'd have to deal with that just like how they'd deal with any bully that goes too far with things. That context is extremely important.

[@heinz57channel39]

@@blah204so you mean bullying correct ?

[@Eagledude131]

For a libertarian, John seems really happy to impose the state's will upon things that he doesn't seem to like. Namely young trans people. Seriously, if you can argue against the centralization of state power and an hour later you want the state to assume more power over young people surveil them on behalf of their parents, you really have to re-think your principles. But more than that, it creates a hostile environment for the kids who are trans to live under, not just go to school under, *live under.* Kids spend most of their waking hours at school, especially if they participate in extra curricular activities. I think advocating for any policy that doesn't allow kiddos to "just grill" as it were, and figure out how to do calculus and whatever else the kiddos are doing these days with the least social friction possible is doing a disservice to people who already are trying to survive a system that without alteration for the worse is considered hellish by most who've gone through it

[@verager2493]

Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds. Mildly inconvenience a libertarian and you have the next Hitler

[@lucasprobably]

totally, i was out as trans in high school from 2017-2020 and i was banned from both bathrooms, both changing rooms and i had to have seperate accomodations on school trips, which not only isolated me from my peers but gave them the excuse to treat me differently, since it was official school policy to do exactly that.

[@avalonv6559]

John's views were completely incoherent, first he said he was afraid of state authority, and then advocates for more state authority over teachers and students by mandating teachers report all personal information that's deemed "relevant" by the state, and that his solution for increases in abuse due to this policy is to "let the state figure out the likelihood you're actually being beaten"

[@DemoWarlock]

Yes a conservative

[@orphaotheseeker2770]

Right wing politics is contradictory and dumb, yes.

[@steirerbua5322]

I thought the conversation was fun but goddamn was that guy annoying.

[@bacaestrife3615]

It's almost as if right-wingers don't have a coherent ideology or actual first principles they are operating from, and are actually the feelings driven snowflakes they claim everyone else is. Funny how that is.

[@triknives]

That's because John isn't a real or serious person. He wants money, and that's it. He thinks workers are the problem.

[@somewhat-blue]

As a government employee working in a program that gives out grants to environmental projects, Vaush is exactly right about how government grant programs work. The idea that we somehow don’t care about taxpayer money, when we are literally also taxpayers, is insane - functionally, it IS our money, at least in aggregate. If anything, programs like ours are almost TOO risk-averse and conservative about what we fund, because we’re held accountable for our decisions and need to be very, very confident that projects are going to be worthwhile and successful in order to give them money.

[@Sparten7F4]

John's DESPERATION to move on when he gets challenged is HILARIOUS

[@eelvis1674]

Saying that teachers should be forced to disclose the gender identity of their students to their transphobic parents is no different than saying they must disclose a child's religious identity to their fundamentalist parents. It's ludicrous and dangerous.

[@sebastianlavallee706]

You mean "Little Timmy didn't say Grace before eating at Lunch" isn't really the sort of thing teachers should have to tell the parents?

[@verager2493]

"No, Karen, I'm not going to help you beat your kids."

[@shadow13151]

they would want that too

[@dustinjoeypace]

Listen to the language he used when he talked about what power the parents have. He views kids as property, which is why it’s so easy for him to think that schools should be legally required to report on every single thing the parents want. It’s also interesting that he pretty much only feels that way about kids who show signs of being trans. He has the transphobic brain worms. Probably doesn’t feel that way about any other topic.

[@sullendragon8900]

Every analogy I can think of to compare it to sounds like something this guy would like. "It's like making teachers report that kids are wearing lipstick" he'd love that, they definitely shouldn't wear makeup without permission. "Kids are reading romance novels, kids are talking during study hall"... I just feel like he'd want to know everything and then beat the kids about it.

[@cannabisclay8590]

I am watching this debate right now. And as I am listening to Vaush break down Libertarian Socialism, I realized I should have given you a chance a couple years ago instead of listening to idiots on twatter💯 I am now a Vaushite as you say lmao. I really enjoy your content and sense of humor. Solidarity💚💯

[@stephenwithaph1566]

✊️✊️

[@dangerousd1312]

up until a couple years ago, i thought both vaush and hasan were conservatives because of twitter lmao

[@goodsirbear-7579]

there's a song by another Vaushite called "Vaush rad" which as a new Vaush fan myself was helpful and also a banger

[@neverhowever3231]

exactly what happened to me last year - first intro i had to vowsh was actually that noah samsen video. wasn’t till i wound up clicking on an actual video of his a while later that i realized how badly he gets misrepresented lol

[@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug]

Let me guess, they conflated markets and capitalism.

[@fidget0227]

28:18 “Do you think democracy is better than authoritarianism?” “…….probably” “Probably…?” PROBABLY?!

[@stephenwithaph1566]

It says lying through its teeth

[@JebeckyGranjola]

I don't know anything about John and maybe hes sus, but it could be an honest answer. Especially after 2016 I found myself very frustrated with Liberals and sympathetic to a Leninist idea of just forcing Socialism on the US. Authoritarianism doesn't seem so bad if the authority is actually right and good. Of course we know the problem is that there is no mechanism in place to change things or prevent it from being bad, so I think we must reject it on principle.

[@Tacklepig]

tbf that's a reasonable answer. There's lots of advantages authoritarianism can have over democracy; human beings are selfish, greedy idiots, and in theory a benevolent, competent dictator would be much preferrable to the incompetent, fucked democracies that exist in the world right now. However, that's not a realistic scenario, that's not how it would ever work out. The one thing democracy does well is reform itself. That's the only thing democracy has as a positive over other systems, it changes more easily when something doesn't work, without requiring a revolution or something like that. Which is also its biggest weakness, as it can easily be coopted by bad agents who have different things in mind.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

​@@JebeckyGranjolaLennon was a fascist Marxist lennism was fascism It was a one party state that allowed no elections except by party members electing themselves, the party was a conglomerate of elites and powerful The workers and common man were regulated to fodder with no access, control or input in any system of governance And they were routinely starved to death, tortured, massacred and brutally oppressed on a whim by the party

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Democracy is the only good system, and it's the only system that works if you value human rights

[@christopher6754]

To be fair, clipping someone from like 30 years ago and using their growth out of bigotry as justification of flip flopping, is pretty dumb. Brandon isn't great outside of the recent union and pot rescheduling stuff, but the guy is infinitely better than he used to be with stop and frisk, college tuition bills, etc. The guy was an author of a bill that directly led to college tuition prices being as bad as they are, and then albeit half assedly, tried to forgive student loan debt. That isn't flip flopping

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Filip flopping is when you constantly change your views, especially depending on your audience. I have no idea how honest is Brandon about his policies but people change over decades

[@thecaffeinjerk]

What a charming discussion, where did they find so many people that don't hate vaush?

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

His Disco...nevermind.

[@joshllorens4514]

Really funny stuff that John says he's sad he's the lone wolf right after saying one of the most disgusting things ever in that he doesn't think mental abuse is abuse. John I'm glad you're alone

[@temprd]

John - “I’m a small government guy” Also John - “Teachers should be obligated by the government to report”

[@twpsyn]

the y2k bug actually did cause some problems around the world, from finance transactions not going through to spy satellites failing etc. the only reason it wasnt a really big problem is because of the work done by software developers leading up to the date change. but the media and public response was insane, thinking planes would fall out of the skies etc. but it's worth not discounting the whole thing as BS since that diminishes a lot of the crunch work by software devs at the time to fix things

[@lysgaardblutenherz9694]

i hate that people dont think y2k was real, so many people's hard ass work to prevent it, just gets forgotten and dismissed.

[@twpsyn]

@@lysgaardblutenherz9694 my dad was one of the workers on the ground pulling all nighters fixing this shit crunching for a deadline that could never be moved back i get that it's funny to look back at ppl saying stuff like nukes were gonna go off and planes falling out of the sky etc which was all nonsense, but there is also the reality of what would have happened if none of the crunch work was done prior to 2000. just annoying to see it all dismissed as not a big deal

[@phirah79]

I came here to say this very thing but luckily you already did. It's very similar to the issue of acid rain. It was all over the news a couple of decades ago, and then it wasn't leading a lot of people to think it was made up or never a problem at all. But the truth is that a huge effort of policy change and scientific endeavor took place that reversed the problem. The issue is ignorance of history.

[@PuppyFromTheAlt]

I DID EVERYTHIN RIGHT AND THEY INDICTED MEEEEEE

[@Youbetternowatchthis]

30 minutes in and I really like this panel. People having actual convicitons and discussing ideas. Also Vaush is really crushing it

[@uS0ra]

not letting trans kids get medical treatment is pretty much physical abuse at that point

[@Mettle_DAD]

1:18:00 "we have different definitions of abuse on this" no dude. U have your OPINION...and they are going by clinical psychologist and every other medical field that has expertise in this area.

[@fromeveryting29]

The only thing I found myself agreeing with john on is that I'm uncomfortable with democracy. But he doesn't realize that democracy is intrinsically good, but very vulnerable. His issues (I hope) are with democracy's vulnerability. It turns out, almost every good and worthwhile thing is vulnerable. Democracy is vulnerable to insecure, greedy agents manipulating the public. It really is like Plato said. Democracy is vulnerable to demagouges, misinfo, ignorance etc. How do we deal with that issue? I'm not sure, but institutions and regulations must be involved.

[@breakingboundaries3950]

Vulnerability is sometimes our greatest strength

[@TheFinalChapters]

Democracy is the worst form of governance, except for all the others. Leaving the keys to power in the hands of the uneducated masses is certainly a terrifying prospect, but the alternative is those same masses get completely steamrolled in favor of who *does* get the keys to power.

[@serversurfer6169]

Education is the best defense to such things.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

Autocracy is also extremely vulnerable, just to the whims of like the 7 people who actually get to have power in a system like that.

[@FriarJoe66]

I’m assuming that in vaush’s proposed socialist model there still exists a larger bureaucracy that regulates business in order to protect the interests of the public. This could be used to regulate the intentional spreading of propaganda/misinformation as well as general political corruption. No Fox News in a socialist nation, both because the incentives are gone and also because of anti-corruption regulation.

[@ryancasey9763]

Maybe its my vaush fan brain but every time John would be back into a corner he would say 1 of 2 things 1. I cant comment on that analysis 2. I think we should move on and not waste any more time

[@ArDeeMee]

That means your pattern recognition works. That’s the point where you‘ll start seeing it in real life. Both a curse and a blessing.

[@ryancasey9763]

@@ArDeeMee but the very same thing with vaush, when he cant convice his oppent and he feels he can't reach them, he will resort to slinging insults. He is dying on that hill of civility politics but I feel like he just likes angers the person he is debating

[@ArDeeMee]

@@ryancasey9763 He has always argued AGAINST civility politics. You start out open-minded and friendly, that’s just common decency. If the other side decides to shit on you, then everything‘s fair game. Vaush also tends to drag the other side back down to earth afterwards, to get the conversation started again. It’s the duality of man. 🤷‍♀️ Also, don’t start flinging insults if they are childish. You‘ve got to be able to point at actual issues, hit them where it hurts. Like their chronic small dick vibes.

[@NessJr]

Workers can be corrupted Governments can be corrupted Shareholders are incorruptible Flawless logic

[@speccyisme5184]

love how this guy will go "yup" "yes" "mhmmm" "exactly" like a little backup dancer

[@serversurfer6169]

Vaush should hire him as a hype man. 😜

[@zijiangyang2263]

It was a surprise to me that John, the rare Str8 guy on the panel, could roll his eyes in the most adorable way

[@krillin6]

John is so fab

[@jhonbus]

He didn't actually confirm he was straight, he just made sort of vague agreeing-type noises when everyone else assumed he's straight.

[@themightymcb7310]

​@@jhonbustrying to forget about that one time at band camp

[@torphedo6286]

Y2K was a real problem, it's just that the software development industry was able to fix it in enough places before the date hit that not much actually happened. If it were ignored or there was less of a media blitz it may have been worse (though not literally apocalyptic)

[@nanie_czka123]

Yeah, many people all over the world busted their asses so that it wouldn't happen and to see it dismissed as a rumor is really disheartening

[@TheLifeOfNurse]

@@nanie_czka123 See *Office Space

[@ben_cav]

You know its a good convo when Vaush has to stop playing and focus on the conversation. Really enjoyed this one!

[@Nerobyrne]

If you think everyone is corrupt, you should definitely want as little power concentration as possible, because no one person can be trusted to run a whole company/state.

[@TheSurrealist.]

We know the culture war stuff is artificial because like Vaush said back in the the early 2000s to the 90s most people were indifferent to lgbtq expression or representation in society and it’s like around 2015-16 it ramped up. We know most people didn’t have a vicious, rabid reaction to drag queens back in the day because if they did would we have movies like Mrs.Doubtfire? That movie today would be called woke and there’d be claims about it being part of the “woke agenda” to “turn kids trans”. Clearly it’s outage farming by the gop to cover up the economic policies they want to pass for their corporate overlords. Because even conservative politicians knows that their constituents have criticisms of the rich. Most conservatives will indeed criticize the rich (obviously to a limited extent) so how do you bypass that and get them to vote for you? Tell them gay liberals wanna turn your kids trans.

[@thatdarnskag5043]

15:32 Tip no. 69: Never put the Thomas Sowell hat on.

[@vonunterberg4313]

Vaush seemd way more polite then in the debates.

[@rockCity777]

It's not every day that someone comes at him with actual beliefs and positions they're willing to argue and defend. As opposed to monologuing, mental torture or a veiled call for help.

[@fordalels]

its because in most of the debates vaush has, the people he debates has no real beliefs. more or less they change as their beliefs are questioned this is just how conservatives argue as the main goal is 'abandon the current point and attack one specific thing in a response so you never play defense'.

[@eragonship4929]

The way John argued his positions actually reminded me of myself a few years ago. Granted I was younger than John here but a lot of the talking points for me also came from general pro capitalist dogma and it wasn't backed by strong emotional attachment or really any deeper analysis than "duh capitalism is good cause duh" and it's much easier to convince someone like that than an entrenched person with emotional attachment to an idea or a straight up grifter so I think the strategy was good

[@saltiney8578]

Vaush is usually polite with anyone who is coming at him from a place of real interest and actual conversation, If the other person is making bad faith arguments then vaush will treat them badly. This guy john seems to be engaging with the ideas in a honest manner and the arguments hes making seem to come from a genuine place of trying to figure out ideas so vaush treats him more or less politely.

[@enesaue2192]

Having a host kind of forces the debate to be calmer and more civil.

[@Derchlands]

This whole talk about teachers telling parents about their kids sexuality or gender is extremely dangerous. No one should ever be outed by anyone but themselves. There are bigoted parents that would harm their kids and even kill them if they find out they are gay or trans.

[@dzgw]

John: "I don't trust anyone or anything and have no solutions for any of it"

[@KouenTenshi]

As a new subscriber, this is the most chill debate I've seen with Vaush so far

[@uninstaller2860]

I don't agree with John's positions but great on him defending his views against everybody else. Great discussion, Vaush really excels when asked good questions

[@lionmom7629]

I agree. But how sad is it that John is actually a good example of a conservative?

[@VannywiththeFanny]

I mean, he's wrong about basically everything lmao. But yeah, good on him!!!

[@stephenwithaph1566]

As opposed to not defending his views? He takes me as a particular unserious person who has not considered his positions on life with any kind of rigorous scrutiny.

[@lionmom7629]

@@stephenwithaph1566 Yes. And you are all 3 right. That's my point. He's actually better than your average conservative! Basically, we are pretty much saying give him a Cookie for not pooping on himself, because that is enough to put him ahead of his peers. The bar is that low for the right at this point in time.

[@stephenwithaph1566]

Rip

[@mckenzie.latham91]

As soon as john gets challenged with facts he moves on

[@eelvis1674]

John; the most basic ideas of freedom and equality dictate that anybody should be able to marry anybody else regardless of gender. SO when you make that the case legally, where it previously wasn't, you are not making the first move, you are not doing a "capital P Political" action. It is the 'backlash' to this which is the instigation

[@TurnaboutAkamia]

Pretty sure Y2K was real. What happened was it got fixed. It probably wouldn’t have been apocalyptic or anything, but it would have been a serious issue. The error still occurred in some places, but most of it was taken care of before huge damage occurred. EDIT: In fact, the problem that Y2K really is under the hood wasn’t actually solved completely; the can was just kicked down the road a few decades. On 32-bit systems, it’s now the Year 2038 Problem. As we leave 32-bit systems behind in favor of 64-bit systems, the problem grows ever more distant. It may someday become practically non-existent, but for now, it still exists in some form or another.

[@ArDeeMee]

It’s a problem occurring twice a year - with daylight savings time. One time, an entire hours gets erased, the other it happens twice.

[@schwaggbagYES]

This was a solid debate, and Vaush slayed here

[@CollectiveCorgi-hd3hm]

58:00 The Y2K Bug was actually real. Imagine a computer charging 100 years of negative interest to your bank account or pension fund because the computer system stored the calendar date with only the last two digits and calculated that it was suddenly 1900 instead of 2000. Obviously the people who stock piled water, food, and ammunition were being dumb. But the financial sector had a valid reason to shit itself about it.

[@dracocrusher]

Yeah, that's something people forget a lot. It got fearmongered a lot, but some stuff actually did malfunction and go weird. The only reason things didn't break completely was because people working in tech actually made sure to bug fix everything in the background for all the super important systems. Hilariously, that means Y2K was way more of a real issue than the litter box thing or kids learning CRT in school. Because not only are those things not harmful, they also never actually happened.

[@ArDeeMee]

The banking industry DIDN‘T go apeshit over it. They prepared for it. That’s what IT specialists are for.

[@LDIndustries]

Not gonna lie, I wish Vaush had nailed this John guy on the issue he keeps tap dancing around. That he fundamentally thinks being trans is gross. All of his opinions surrounding gender stem from that point.

[@burner9147]

It's always the same the right. They project like crazy so when they say facts over feelings what they are saying is my entire political compass is based around my fear and disgust response.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

I mean it's obvious though So obviously true he doesn't need to say it Everything from his defense of the social panic to the use of "cultural moments," with his terminology says he's somewhat on board the trans hate train

[@connorcallaghan5850]

the game show was actually really entertaining i’d love to see more of that

[@mattwingo89]

It's funny how they're always conflating "efficiency" with profitability.

[@almosthelpless9374]

"I did everything right and they indicted me!" - A ham sandwich

[@adamsmasher9769]

And they "inbited me!" Please quote mr. Sandwich accurately.

[@TheFinalChapters]

Uh... Y2K was very much a real threat. Companies and government institutions were scrambling to make sure the software they were using would still work properly at the turn of the century. There was plenty of software that would not, and those that failed switch away from that suffered glitches related to Y2K.

[@robertpendli340]

They were scrambling, 5 years prior, and had it solved, several years prior. By the time it was even close the problem was long dead. And when it happened we got some bugged out vending machines someone forgot to update. There were not big orgs suffering from serious bugs

[@TheFinalChapters]

@@robertpendli340 Correct, there weren't any massive failures that I'm aware of. The media hysteria was overblown, as usual. But it was not completely without merit.

[@ArDeeMee]

Turns out that professionals know what they’re doing. Whoda thunk it? 🤷‍♀️

[@nelejanbbi4616]

i'm half an hour in and the only argument the other guy has made is "well, yeah, but no"

[@triangleunderstander]

Socialist theorizing needs good-faith criticism (even if misinformed) in order to be both a robust model in our current place and time, and communicable to the working class. Panels like this keep socialists healthy and grounded in our ability to argue for our cause.

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

Very true. It pays to get out there and defend our policy prescriptions and ideals so we can get better at actually communicating on them and why they're so important/necessary.

[@sarzootashoota351]

John flitting around like a hummingbird on crack and copium was funny.

[@lisahiselius6539]

this debate didn't raise my blood pressure to dangerous levels - what is this?!?!?

[@AndaraBledin]

John - Proving he grew up in a life of comfort and privilege without using those words.

[@stoneman472]

I unironically love civil econ conversation like this.

[@greenberry6019]

Thank you, Vaush. One of your best videos of all time.

[@tr33br06]

He's been on a roll man. That Pro-Capitalism counter video was probably the best way to explain the economy and some of its results

[@neo122333]

Thank you for uploading this with just enough time left to catch the stream 🙏

[@alicepixiv5909]

the end was worth the entire 1:43:00 minutes

[@lionmom7629]

See, John is a believer in the groomer panic. Even conservatives that appear to have a brain fall for it!

[@KindlyCryptid]

That John guy was hiding his power level the whole time

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Hiding and not having one are two different things

[@whatsupinspace854]

This video made me fantasize about a debate between Vaush and Jordan Peterson. That would be the funniest sheet ever

[@mauriciosalas3415]

Oh boy vaush is pulling a shaggy and using 5 percent of his power... Again.🤣

[@pyrothelostone]

Its always interesting to watch someone argue against libertarian socialism using arguments from libertarian socialism.

[@jakitron890]

My question is, how is the government's income from taxes "not their money"? It's limited funds allocated to them to provide services. It's their money

[@somewhat-blue]

Yup, and the people responsible for where that money ends up going are quite literally also taxpayers.

[@WraithWriter]

It's still the taxpayers' money.

[@jakitron890]

@@WraithWriter that's childish thinking.

[@_drnova1064]

Holy fuck capitalists really do get bodied the second they don't constantly lie, yell and/or do the "socialism is when the government does stuff" meme.

[@agabrielrose]

I wonder if homeboy could articulate a manner of distinguishing the "ideological capture" of an institution from, say, an expert consensus? What's the practical difference he's marking? circa 1:19:00

[@somewhat-blue]

“If it feels unintuitive to me it’s ideology”, basically.

[@cianwalker1829]

If everything is corruptible then why doesn’t that equally apply to the incumbent neoliberal system just because it’s labelled ‘private sector’?

[@nicholaswhitman4620]

Ofc the dude with a 1940s hair cut and in a suit on a youtube call is the right libertarian

[@transitorri7794]

My boy JP out there. It was funny to see him writing fortune cookie inserts on Threads, but I guess he's back to pushing for genocide on Twitter again. His brain is so cooked.

[@joshllorens4514]

Using phrases like "cultural moment" is all the dog whistle I need to hear

[@patchhappens7575]

Feel like the "Government employees have desecration" argument shouldn't be that crazy considering how conservatives feel about police behavior

[@mckenzie.latham91]

You forgot where when he was confronted with his modern instutions all support left wing policy He literally said that all those academic institutions were hijacked which is why he doesn't agree or trust them Which is the cultural Marxism infiltrated academia defense the right and JP use to explain why science and studies are not on their side.

[@sullendragon8900]

Guy's basically saying kids should either be forced to come out or forced to call CPS. Those are pretty extreme options, lots of kids just want to get through school and get out, taking kids' option to discuss that at school is messed up.

[@Kidomaru222]

I wish John wasn't alone against everyone else. No matter the arguments, he can at any point just fall back on the "i was at a disadvantage because they all ganged up on me" defense.

[@stephenwithaph1566]

For representation's sake maybe, but cons have infinite lazy excuses for their inability to coherently navigate their lack of values through any kind of serious scrutiny regardless of representation.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

He can do that anyway The problem is republicans and conservatives already lie to benefit themselves regardless

[@ghani666]

I would agree, but the ratio accurately represents the ideology of the general population.

[@ArDeeMee]

„I wish someone would have purposely supported him in his wrong statements so his feelings didn’t get hurt.“ Excuse me, WHAT?

[@Techyena]

14:06 I live in the town that Walmart was founded and it’s becoming more and more hellish.

[@crackthecorn]

vaush " the owner and workers have different goals" ............ other guy does the owner has all the risk meme.

[@jamierichardson7683]

Parental responsibility. Not parental authority.

[@fishbiter9409]

What is an example of a business that doesn't work as a worker coop? In what situation would people prefer that their ideas and their desires are not considered in the operation of a business?

[@nickelbutt]

John is a breath of fresh air compared to the non-sense spewing conservatives I see nowadays. I don’t agree with him, but I think any bundle of progressives needs a “John”. Keeps everyone sharp and on the same page.

[@1123elemental]

what? John has contradicted himself in almost every single one of his positions. And when he wasn't backing off his statements he was being incoherent. Like I agree that this is the best the right has to offer but his best is everyone else's drunk on their worst day.

[@nickelbutt]

@@1123elemental No you misunderstand. Debating a QAnon lunatic is useless, and makes you emotionally worse off. Thats what they are there for. Like cannon fodder. But debating a John is like sharpening a knife.

[@tenthofadime5657]

Falling for jibber jabber and completely inconsistent rhetoric

[@mckenzie.latham91]

He contradicted himself multiple times His arguments were garbage, his defense was garbage And the moment he got pushed with more factual sensible and factual based responses He immediately pushed for them to move on.

[@nickelbutt]

@@mckenzie.latham91 You misunderstand. I explained it to another guy here, read that comment.

[@ianking7511]

On the subject of shareholders being detrimental to the businesses they own, there is such a thing as a non-voting shareholder. If shareholders were not expected or allowed to have control over the entities they invest in and the board was elected by the workers and expected to make decisions in the interest of the business, a lot of the problems with the current system go away.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Then why need a shareholder at all?

[@ianking7511]

@@mckenzie.latham91 Investment. Corporations issue shares to raise revenue, which is then in theory invested into improving the business. If the business does well its value should increase, creating a return for shareholders. That structure continues to function regardless of whether the business is run in the interests of shareholders or workers. Returns may decrease, but not disappear.

[@JustAPanda1]

We got normal ppl and we also got John

[@orionnebula1136]

Time stamps? 🙏

[@cleanremarks]

"We have different definitions of abuse." -Someone DEFINITELY Abusing Their Kids

[@triknives]

So John makes prescriptions about reality then says "Well I'll look into it" - Find a more dishonest, conservative approach lol.

[@kynixie]

"libertarian" when freedom results in outcomes they dont like

[@alexanderboulton2123]

They go low, we step on their heads.

[@kirabarnes657]

lmao the other day i crafted the cellphone, and from there, the shellphone. my life's great in that regard

[@scott_chocolate]

I came back to this video just to rewatch Vaush's reaction @13:04 when his character dies.

[@rashaadpratt2011]

30 minutes in and capitalist realism at its finest. All the problems John listed with worker co-ops literally exist under capitalism but he can’t fathom the idea that there’s just a better system than what we have

[@eannburns1335]

Shit you’re playing terarria on stream now? That’s my favorite game I have to tune in

[@ImaginaryMdA]

And then John said he's not sure about democracy...

[@DirtPoorWargamer]

Pro-capitalist bro at the start is confused. Shareholders are not automatically stakeholders. Most shareholders and executives have less stakes in the success of a company than the workers and surrounding neighborhoods.

[@saltymcginger2027]

Here We Go

[@alansmith4655]

Desperately needs timestamps/chapters.

[@badATchaos]

Jordan Peterson conversation: 1:20:03

[@DJDiskmachine]

A good faith discussion on Socialism? My word!

[@EuropaE]

Thank you Ryan and Tempest for keeping in the part where he gets the Sextant. I was very invested lmao

[@Gundamman]

The guy saying everyone is evil is a guy that has never seen our gov work, so they assume that only the "free market" would fix it. You know that when you talk to people like this, they never seem to understand what the end point would be. But then, again, if they are coming from a place that every is evil, it's fine if it's only a few because at least the economy will run well. TLDR: Democracy= too much red tap Authorian = free market

[@domsquared9878]

John is def on his way to fascism but him being a Burgum head says a lot 😂

[@1123elemental]

Its incredible how CONSISTENTLY trying to argue for conservative talking points just makes you sound like an idiot. John is quite literally no exception

[@assassinscreed123ist]

I was trying to be as charitable as possible to jon until he basically implied he doesnt see mental abuse as abuse, like at that point you're just refuting science and he was already doing so with other topics

[@simonmcglynn9332]

Holy shit that john guy is a monster

[@davidhughes4089]

A civil discussion on the internet 😱 although I'm only 50 minutes in

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Absolutely SHOCKING that the most fashy looking MFer on the panel turned out to be the fash on the panel! 🤯

[@animeentranced1130]

My favourite part was when voosh completed his cell phone in terraria.

[@melonbirdman6106]

I love the terraria gameplay, ty

[@ourcollectivewisdom8769]

There was nothing that would convince John of the problems in his argument. He hates government but wants to layer policies upon policies and create all kinds of processes to accommodate his argument of parents having some kind of a right to their kids identities. Not a discussion in good faith, at all.