Trump to Axe EV Subsidies; BYD Seagull Outsells Tesla Y in China - Auotline Daily 3956

[@jeffs6090]

Let California do what they want. I thought drumpf was all for state rights. He wants to give so many different things back to states figuring it out for themselves. It shouldn't effect the automakers at all. They make plenty of vehicles that comply with California rules for emissions. They make many that don't as well, and those just won't be able to be sold there. Simple as that. I hope the new Pallisade gets upgraded powertrain options, hybrid, phev, etc.

[@eddieg6436]

……you do realize California is the WORLD’S 4th largest economy (passed Germany). So since we can take care of ourselves, when a disaster hits your state, don’t come crying for money (FEMA HEAVILY funded by California…..we’re like a “parent” to the U.S., N.Y. the other parent). 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

[@mikethecargeek]

California (and other states) can limit ICE sales using Sales Taxes, Registration Fees and by other means. 🔋 …including Gas Taxes.

[@TeslaDo_d]

I was going to suggest this. We need to stop subsidizing things we want to happen and start to discourage the things that we need to change.

[@swoleavocado]

@@TeslaDo_d This issue can also be addressed through legislation instead of regulation. However, if it's handled through legislation, it could create significant challenges for automotive companies. Each state could establish its own rules, resulting in 50 different markets to navigate.

[@bunsw2070]

What do we need to change?

[@ejd1984]

Thers is going to be pushback from the President-Elec's party in Congress. The majority of the I.R.A. is benefiting/creating job in Red States and Districts. With those constituents jobs possibly being affected, the EV subsidies (and other green projects) rollback proposal will quietly go away.

[@AaronVanNoy]

I’m all for ending EV subsidies as long as we stop subsidizing gas as well! Enjoy that $10 to $15/gallon! most gas car owners have no idea how much their gas is subsidized!

[@nightdipper5178]

You sound like an ill informed Harris voter, sorry for your loss. You people just make it up as you go along.

[@LWVH81]

Gasoline is not subsidized at that level.

[@LWVH81]

@@nightdipper5178You got that right!

[@edwarddejong8025]

You are not accurate. Whatever tax subsidies that the oil companies are granted, are counteracted by the huge $1/gal tax we pay in California

[@Pernection]

You ever heard of diesel?

[@jceess]

I wonder if in the future, EREVs will become the standard for non BEV cars. They're so much simpler mechanically since you don't have to worry about connecting the ICE to the drive wheels. I can see there being a wide range of battery sizes, from maybe 5kWh for non plug ins, all the way up to 100+ for pickup and SUV applications.

[@donswier]

100% agree. The ICE can have a completely wacko torque curve, too, and have no effect on drivability. See Audi's Dakar racer as an example.

[@garyladyman2642]

Oil companies should also be taken off tariffs

[@danielmarquis434]

They should also be taken off subsidies

[@junkerzn7312]

The oil companies are hilarious, but it's not unexpected. They want people to be dependent on gasoline but it is far, far too late for a reduction in emissions requirements to have any effect on build cost or even attract more ICE buyers. With electric motors being so much better, ICE horse power is no longer a selling point. That fell away when supercars started losing races to Tesla's. Note that in-wheel electric motors have major problems due to rotational inertia. There are severe limits to just how much rotating mass you can put in the wheel before you start having real trouble getting the car to turn at speed, let alone under acceleration or deceleration. -Matt

[@nightdipper5178]

But the majority of BUYERS still want gas cars. You sound like a Harris voter, sorry for your loss chief, better luck next time!

[@dantesinfernopurgatory7826]

It's all fun and games until Winter weather arrives.

[@junkerzn7312]

@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Yes, not being able to remotely heat-up and defrost your car from inside the house is a problem. Glad I don't have to worry about that any more.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

​@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Norway has winter weather and is mostly all electric. Why would you have a problem?

[@pepeshopping]

Bring dependant on electricity, grid, complicated chargers is quite worse!

[@jcferg3370]

Those front headlights and overall exterior design of the new palisade remind me of a modern day National Lampoons Vacation wagon.

[@russh6414]

The Family Truckster? Yeah that seems to be the design direction

[@corradettimotorsports360]

The 1985 Lincoln Continental Dash board just came back to life in the Palisade!

[@ATE2AQTR]

I love and have owned 50 plus vehicles including EV's. Until you drive a 300 plus mile range EV woth home charging you should not extend your uneducated negative comments on the net. EV 's are not perfect yet but they are pretty damn comfotable, gast and reliable with virtually zero maintenance. New EV Depreciation is the biggest issue. Buy used and lease new.

[@bunsw2070]

EVs make no sense today and they never will.

[@reelreeler8778]

Will the incoming administration also be axing the $20 billion dollars a year in subsidies to the poor-poor big oil companies? LOL

[@realazduffman]

No need since the oil companies are not subsidized.

[@bunsw2070]

If you don't want to consume oil you're free to move into a cave.

[@southernights]

⁠ over 20 billion annually @@realazduffman 😂

[@tesla_tap]

California and other states should just tax gasoline $5/gallon to compensate for the massive federal oil and gas subsidies. Those users that don’t care about the cost can continue using gas guzzling ICE as long as they want. Those that want to save money and reduce pollution will use EVs. States can use the extra taxes to subsidize the purchase of EVs too. A win-win.

[@3184Patrick]

this. Or a Carbon Tax like Canada and other European countries use.

[@gnoxycat]

I say do +$1/year/gallon. Till the year 2,500 (you always want to put an expiration date on these things.) Everyone can buy whatever they like.

[@bunsw2070]

EVs are worse for the environment than ICE.

[@richardcoughlin8931]

I want to make sure I understand the logic here. The federal government isn’t going to let a state (California) do what it believes is in the best interests of its citizens, and in doing so reduces the power of the federal government? Sure Jan.

[@The01Director]

The problem is that the California rules affect every other state, as Ford isn’t going to make two separate models one for the other states and one for California. Not saying it’s right one way or the other, but as I see it, it reduces the freedoms of one state for the sake of the rest. I do prefer stricter emissions btw. But I would say California shouldn’t be the one who gets to make the shots for the whole country.

[@lot2196]

California is insane.

[@jimbonham4405]

You do not. CA would still be allowed to do what it wants to in CA. However, it would not be allowed to impose it's regulations upon other states, either directly or indirectly. Other states would retain the same right as CA to do what they want within their borders, subject to federal law. CA has gotten waivers from EPA to have more strict regulations in their state. However, EPA has wrongly allowed them to share these regulations with other states, in violation of the provisions of the Clean Air Act (CAA). The planned actions would simply force CA, and EPA, to comply with the CAA as written.

[@Dkrpan59]

Ban auto congestion if the gas vehicles run at speed limits on the freeways they burn there gas much better that includes city streets sitting in traffic is stupid

[@Dkrpan59]

Road hogs just perfect for road congestion

[@ConversionCenters]

The EU, as an exercise, has proven that incentives don't really achieve the goal they are designed for. Of course, the free money program is a vote buying expedition, but you knew that already. "I'm going to buy an EV because there is a $7,500 rebate." Sure enough the people take advantage of the rebates. The rebates however, are made from money and the money ends. Then the rebates stop and people "stop buying EV's." That actually isn't what happens. In Germany many took advantage of the incentive. It ended and "EV buyers" sat tight and waited for the incentive to start up again. Now politicians never ever jerk things around do they? One president buys some votes with "free EV money" and a new president buys some votes by giving the free money to someone else. Shocking isn't it? Politics aside, the automobile is a consumer product. Gas vehicle sales have been in decline globally since 2019. "The consumer" not the government, nor the environmentalists or car manufacturers has begun the process of adopting the "new technology" and every measure of automobile sales globally reflects this. There were 5 EV models for sale in the US just a few years past....there are 71 new EV models available at US dealerships today and as we see here on Autoline? New entrants arrive each month.

[@bunsw2070]

EVs make no sense.

[@brucesibbitt9949]

Your comparison of the top selling models in China could have offered some useful context by including base prices of those 5 models.

[@thejake8099]

I love dirty air and water, I'd rather give my money to the health insurance and hospital ceo

[@DioTheGreatOne]

Did you know that most electricity used to power EVs comes from fossil fuels? If you want people to drive electric cars, change the electric grid first. Also, electric cars cause huge environmental damage because of how much mining is necessary to manufacture the batteries, ask Chile.

[@nerdbikes3841]

@@DioTheGreatOne. Not on my EV. Most of my EV energy comes form the solar array on the roof of my house. I like the feeling of throwing off the chains of not having to grovel at oil corporations just to get around town and do things. But to each their own I guess. Keep bowing down in front of rich Oil CEOs.

[@DioTheGreatOne]

@@nerdbikes3841 That's great for you! Unfortunately, a LOT of places in the US aren't suitable for solar energy. But I support everyone using solar panels in their houses anyways because that would take away a lot of stress from the grid.

[@nonchalanto]

@@nerdbikes3841your solar panels are made by rich companies in China that use slave labor, does that make your purchase of solar tech somehow morally superior to people who use gasoline? Also, your house, your car, your tires, clothes and nearly everything else you use is made from petroleum. Sorry, but you’re simply not better than anyone else because you joined a green enthusiast club. Let me know once you’ve stopped using plastic.

[@nonchalanto]

Did the air and water get cleaner under Biden? Not even a little bit. All that happened was that taxpayers subsidized the wealthy in their car purchases, and automakers are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars per car they manufacture. Green mandates are an absolute disaster for the economy, and ironically enough, the environment. The air and water will get cleaner by letting a free market operate. As soon as it becomes actually cheaper to use renewables, people will use it. Also, the people pushing authoritarian green mandates now are the very same people who heavily restricted the development of nuclear power. So if we have dirty air, we have people like you to thank most.

[@cars291]

The mentioned Porsche is still on display in the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart. We've all come full circle. Btw the original doesn't beep constantly.

[@nathanwright8616]

8:50 is that hp number right?

[@tonystorcke]

This will hurt EV sales but will hurt Tesla much less than the others.

[@danieloool2044]

Time will tell

[@3184Patrick]

@@danieloool2044 yea i think EV's have already hit tipping point and there is no going back.

[@bunsw2070]

Tipping point where EVs destroy the western auto industry. America will never let EVs take over their market and EV transports are good for nothing but delivering potato chips.

[@KC-vx7gj]

Your channel always report industry news from a umbiased, neutral perspective, providing a true picture of the world auto news to your audience. Respect

[@davidmenasco5743]

I appreciate the generally excellent copy writing.

[@donswier]

Been a daily follower for over a decade. Agreed that Autoline avoids any country or fuel bias.👍

[@pepeshopping]

Mostly, but Not really. But ignorant people like you are the ones they target...

[@Carl_in_AZ]

Elon wants the subsidies to stop, so it will further hurt Toyota, GM , Ford, Stellantis, and Honda's transition to EVs. The only US supplier of processed lithium with no 25% tariff is Albemarle Corp in Nevada, which supplies small amounts to Ford and BMW. The other plants under construction are Piedmont Lithium (NC & TN), Tesla (TX), and CTR(CA). Tesla's new processing plant will be the lowest-cost producer and come online in mid-2025. Tariffs will hurt the combustion engine market more than the electric vehicle power train markets over time.

[@sohodon]

Great assessment🎉🎉

[@rok1475]

It is so nice to see the most powerful country in the world doing what one African American wants. Admittedly he is rich, white, immigrant and has not been elected to govern, but still…Baby steps, man, baby steps…

[@bunsw2070]

But Elon bragged on Twitter that he had the CIA overthrow the Bolovian government so he could steal their lithium. Now what?

[@roxter299roxter7]

So drivers will now use 15% more fuel. How is that good for consumers? Or good for the environment. This is only good for the oil companies.

[@edwarddejong8025]

Constantly ratcheting up the mileage standards forces the car companies to keep changing their designs and materials, which costs a lot. ICE engines are about as good as they can get, and demanding further improvement is like telling a grown person to add another inch to their height. Turbocharging and increasing plastic in cars make them less durable, and having to replace a car in 10 years instead of 20 is bad for the environment. EV's are well on their way to replacing ICE cars; you don't have to force the transition; the low maintenance, lower fuel costs, and wonderful quietness of EV's will have them win on merits. Keeping designs for cars the same for years allows for a cheaper car, which helps consumers.

[@Ljbuddy12]

​@edwarddejong8025 Hey Einstein you do know experts in the field estimate only 40 years of oil reserves remain. Like it or not EVs are the future.

[@edwarddejong8025]

@@Ljbuddy12 EV's will be 90% market share of new cars within 10 years. There is no rush; consumers will select them because they have lower operating costs, and will eventually be cheaper. Stop trying to force people; let the market naturally evolve.

[@bunsw2070]

It's better for the environment. Autos are too big. They'll just transition to sensibly sized vehicles.

[@bunsw2070]

Have experts discovered the Electricity Fairy? Because, if not, EVs make no sense.

[@2pdlpwr]

Boy, Trump has US emissions headed back to the 70's. Maybe he will let us burn old tires in our back yard. Cuz that won't hurt anybutty???

[@realazduffman]

So, you think the electricity for an EV is magic?

[@bunsw2070]

Go tell your mom you want more meatloaf.

[@matthewmanzi9504]

@@realazduffmanread any real study on emissions over the life between electric and ICE. Huge difference to the benefit of EV even if the electrify is coming from coal. Good thing the electrify is usually coming from cleaner sources.

[@michaelmehrer2177]

​@@realazduffmanFeels that way since we make our own from our roof. Can your roof make gasoline?

[@rapidcars1]

It’s not Trump asking EV subsidies it’s Elon Musk and the department of government efficiency

[@bunsw2070]

Elon doesn't want them because without them he'll have the market to himself. Legacy auto's EVs are way too big and heavy to make sense. EVs make no sense but if we must have them they need to be small and light to reduce battery size.

[@cpear760]

A dashboard that wraps over the screens. What a novel concept.

[@Stevexnycautomotive]

😂😅😂How do you have to wait for full battery. Is not using twice the fuel to charge?.

[@williamerazo3921]

You need an act of congress

[@daves1646]

K4: ‘distinctive styling’. Uh huh - 😂. They’re right - only appeals to the ‘distinctive’.

[@2pdlpwr]

Anybody regretting the election yet?

[@bunsw2070]

You living in your parent's basement? Because you certainly aren't paying your own bills.

[@southernights]

@@bunsw2070 do you think Trump is gonna bring down inflation and food prices? That’s hilarious 😂😂😂

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

BYD only cost $11,500. Exposed welds included. Of course Tesla admits" droping the price makes the car affordable for many people" So BYD is about less than 1/3 the cost of a Tesla so it will sell more. BYD is just increasing their ev plants capacities.

[@52gulfpapa]

EVs are not going anywhere. Who wants an engine with hundreds of moving parts when they can have one with one.

[@richardpiper4828]

Hyundai Palisade very Range Rover looking. Are the Koreans following the Chinese with an if you cannot beat them make it like them? That said I bet the Hyundai will be more reliable than the RR and considerably cheaper.

[@bunsw2070]

Anything is more reliable than Range Rover.

[@ricktotty2283]

I’m glad they’re doing away with the subsidies. I don’t know why they’re considering plowing it into infrastructure development. It’s not their money. I drive electrified vehicles and love them. But they either make it or they don’t no subsidies.

[@gnoxycat]

Gas has not $Billions but $Trillions in subsidies. Thats where Elon is looking get that savings from.

[@rok1475]

@@gnoxycat The feds must be sending those trillions of subsidies as social security, Medicaid and Medicare cheques… en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expenditures_in_the_United_States_federal_budget

[@matthewmanzi9504]

Very few EVs actually qualify for the EV breaks right now. Mostly Tesla right now which is why I’m not sure the tax rebates will go away with Elon being so influential with Trump.

[@Clint-stanley]

EVs are the future. EVs have also spawned new production methods. Those new methods are cheaper and overall, more sought after. The old methods are being disrupted and becoming more expensive to build. Old methods are doomed. What policies will help old manufacturers convert to new manufacturing?

[@rok1475]

Jetsons future that is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXbOeptohciGj6csi=fRmJstZUgcsupkOp

[@MrPomo2]

Mass transit is the future. EVs just replace a gas car. You are still clogging a road and have miles long backups and road rage.

[@bunsw2070]

EVs make no sense, not now, not ever. Watch and see. Hopium isn't a strategy.

[@byddf]

2:51 Lambo changes to BYD! Oh no!

[@davidmenasco5743]

So, am I imagining things, or did the Chinese auto market grow to reach close to 30 million annual sales, while the US auto market has shrunk to less than 15 million?

[@3184Patrick]

and if US car makers roll back efficiency to match trumps new 2019 rules even less people will want these crappy outdated US made cars. Your car exports will drop to zero.

[@pepeshopping]

Yes!!!! Free, organic, REAL MARKET!!!

[@ShawnUrich]

Trump can’t ’gut EV subsidies’ without Congress and the Senate. For some reason that never gets mentioned on your channel

[@bunsw2070]

Trump has Congress and the Senate and SCOTUS. Liberals brought this on themselves. Worst governments ever.

[@Cakebattered]

The Pentagon has never passed an audit, and can't account for Trillions of dollars, yet Trump is saying we need more money for National Defense. 🤣🤣🤣

[@nonchalanto]

It’s funny how you people all the sudden care about government fiscal responsibility and accounting as soon as the president you don’t like takes office. If you’re worried about the military-industrial complex, Trump is the least interventionist President we’ve had in modern history, and he started no new wars. Under Biden, we spent trillions of dollars on garbage and funded military conflicts internationally as the world burns and inches closer to cataclysmic conflict. Central government control of the market always causes economic problems, and Trump is shifting that heavy handed grip away from the auto market and moving it to somewhere that government should operate, which is in things like national defense.

[@aussie2uGA]

If auditing becomes a thing, lets start with the Federal Reserve!

[@bunsw2070]

No government agency can pass an audit.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Legacy Tesla NHTSA Customer Review: "Driver side control arm while driving separated. I heard a loud thump and then the front driver side portion of the vehicle drop down. After further investigation, I have seen numerous vehicles have this exact same issue on multiple forums. I’m glad that I was going slow when this happened because it could’ve been catastrophic if I would’ve been going faster. How is this not a recall?" Reported December 9, 2024. 2022 Model Why.

[@russh6414]

Leon is out to change the world by getting rid of those pesky regulations. Oh look! Roadster

[@Custo911]

Hello Mr Blobb, are you running low on actual negativity? Or too tired using old cherrypicked information? Or did you post that "review" yourself? After all, any anonymous troll can post these.

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@Custo911Hi Busto. So do you finally admit that the Wompy Wheel issue is in fact “old” and that Circus Monkey doesn’t care to solve it?

[@Carl_in_AZ]

Did you file a report directly with NHTSA? I had similar issues in the early 2000s with the van version of the VW VR6 engine. I reported the problem to NHTSA and had other owners do the same. VW and Siemens, the OEM who made the defective parts, denied the issue until I proved them wrong with a video I and others submitted to NHTSA. This was the day after the OEM supplied a certified letter to NHTSA, saying they had addressed the issue, but the video proved them wrong. The dealerships across North America refused to report the problem. To correct the issue, VW replaced the defective part for the third time and reimbursed me and others over $2,400.

[@Custo911]

@@Carl_in_AZ Sorry it happened to you mate. But do note that in order to post a complaint, no real verification is being done. Basically anyone can post anything. Unfortunately EV haters have been posting bogus reports there for years and then post them online as "proof". Unfortunately they take up resources that are badly needed to address actual issues like yours.

[@h-k7804]

Why is US so backwards

[@Roddy451]

Burritos, Tostitos, and Nacho Cheeeeeeese!

[@IanReid-e9r]

Now we can continue to buy our gas guzzling air polluting cars that go vroom vroom.

[@taniabanes4707]

Yes and love em

[@IanReid-e9r]

@taniabanes4707 yeehaw buddy.

[@3184Patrick]

yeah if you want the slower car that costs more to fuel and more to fix lol

[@Pernection]

Most cars do not "guzzle" fuel. They are more efficient than ever

[@IanReid-e9r]

@Pernection roll back to 2019 standards. BTW, in the American market, most vehicles are trucks and large SUV's, so yes, gas guzzlers. But regardless, still polluting. DUH!

[@onnieraycar]

Why does presenter Sean keep making outlandish statements for ranges? Range will absolutely vary by a myriad of variables - He gives no disclaimers and is misleading his audience - His deception seems to be intentional...

[@dpose6525]

You should change your name to EV Autoline Network. That is the only news you get on this channel

[@tesla_tap]

Only EV news is interesting. ICE hasn't had anything interesting in many years. Sadly Autoline does cover boring ICE vehicles on occasion.

[@taniabanes4707]

@@tesla_tap Interesting? Batteries no one cares about, yeah right

[@bahamatodd]

@@taniabanes4707The only news about ICE would be about going out of production. What else would they report on?

[@russh6414]

Autoline reports on the entire automotive market, they always have. Electric just seems to be dominating the news lately.

[@3184Patrick]

@@taniabanes4707 better take a look at automotive sales figures. EV is up year after year after year and gas sales are now down year after year after year. BEV car are the automotive industry now and future. ICE is the past.

[@MarkMeszarosYNG]

Elon is awful

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

awful at losing money

[@geraldh.8047]

True, but the BYD Seagull is pretty awful as well 😂

[@DuxDad1]

Yeah, but his cars are great!

[@pistonburner6448]

You're awful lazy.

[@aussie2uGA]

Ok, I'll bite... How is Elon awful?

[@JuanCarlos-jz1ps]

Global warming hotter summers and colder winters 😢

[@DioTheGreatOne]

Did you know that most electricity used to power EVs comes from fossil fuels? If you want people to drive electric cars, change the electric grid first. Also, electric cars cause huge environmental damage because of how much mining is necessary to manufacture the batteries, ask Chile.

[@tumbleweed1976]

08:16 Our 2022 Kia Forte has been a pleasure for family of four adults. We left Toyota and Honda when dealers charged $5000 over MSRP. KIA/Hyundai dealers were also but one California dealer did not.

[@RichardKing-sx6xc]

*SO MUSK WINNING!!!* 🍊🪙🚀🚀🚀

[@egan2608]

Hellcat everything!

[@scotduckrow8524]

Trump has so many things more important on his plate, he won't even start to address subsidy elimination for 6 months.

[@12345682900]

HA! Trump's goal was to STAY OUT of prison..... GOOD LUCK if you think bread & butter will be cheaper next year!

[@BobbieGWhiz]

Source?

[@dertythegrower]

There should be an actual charge system for all brands, in all areas, before all this ev funding for cars themself was started..

[@davidmccarthy6061]

It's the chicken and the egg problem. Either way the funding is from tax money. But yes there should have been a couple billion in free grants for local business and towns to put in 500K level 2 plugs. Once everyone see's a plug almost everywhere they park, the EV purchase will happen naturally.

[@jimbonham4405]

BEVs should not be subsidized. It is not the role of the government to artificially manipulate markets and pick winners or losers. If BEVs are as good as so many say they are, they shouldn't need subsidies. Diverting the funds to promote domestic battery production is a much wiser and more efficient move. Not only would it allow sales to other countries, thus helping the trade balance, it would also ensure a sufficient domestic supply both for public and military use. The latter is clearly a national security matter. The military is one area BEVs can be well suited to so ensuring a safe domestic battery supply is critical. BEVs can't yet meet most peoples' needs.

[@simonpaine2347]

Is that why 52% of sales in China were BEV's? Seems like they are meeting most people's needs there.

[@mcsike7264]

Get rid of oil and gas subsidies and lets see how fast you chane your comment 😂

[@simonpaine2347]

Mcsike7264 The majority of the EV haters don't believe that the Fossil fuel industry is subsidised, or that tarrifs will increase prices, but they do believe in a mythical man in the sky and that wrestling is not totally faked.

[@mcsike7264]

@simonpaine2347 lol true

[@davidgrisco1939]

Everyone who supports EV incentives should be mandated to live in CA...there, problem solved.

[@taniabanes4707]

Get rid of those regulations and subsidies and let people get what they want. We want V8s and real cars, not iPhones on wheels

[@12345682900]

Wake up.... 1990 was 34 years ago. ANY new vehicle is MORE "computer" than "car." If YOU believe that trend will reverse itself.... you're fooling yourself.

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

Aren't there enough v8s? ICE is dead, why would they invest in a 100 year technology which has reached its peak like 10 years ago. Move on

[@kingkontinuum]

We want both which is why the market share for EVs is so high.

[@jimbonham4405]

@@kingkontinuum A subsidized 9% is hardly high. HEVs and PHEVs can meet the needs of many more people than can BEVs. If a BEV works for you then great! Enjoy it. However, they must not be forced upon others when they don't meet their needs, nor should such people be forced to subsidize the purchase of BEVs via government subsidies.

[@junkerzn7312]

The horsepower wars ended the moment Teslas started beating supercars a few years ago, and the automakers know it. Remember all those ads about engines and horsepower and turbos and tweaks and yada yada yada? All gone now, because nobody cares any more. The days of huge engines are over.