Truth Behind the Great Serpent of House Va'ruun Revealed

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

The first thing I thought when I saw "House V'Ruun" is that it sounds like it should be one of the great houses of Morrowind.

[@EbikingViking992]

Jinan Va'Ruun does sound like a very Dunmer name too

[@Baehrman87]

There's a lot of Hist tree parallels here too ✌️

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

​@@Baehrman87oh god is a Great House made entirely of Farm Tools !

[@kritizismmusics9737]

😂

[@kritizismmusics9737]

​@@Baehrman87truu

[@MalcrowAlogoran]

Ambassador Bal’Mor himself is an easter egg. His name is literally named after the first major city you come across is Morrowind called Balmora.

[@DragonMercX4]

I knew it! I couldn't remember where I'd heard it before!

[@Behague]

I knew a Balmorra from Star Wars The Old Republic 😅

[@jayburn00]

​@@BehagueI heard that the name in Star wars first too, both the old Republic and some of the legends novels and legends games (rebellion, empire at war).

[@turtlemasteralpha119]

I’ve never played Morrowind, but I’ve heard that town name before.

[@wheresmymuffins]

see, I've been consuming too much d&d content so I could only think of Balnor from NADDPOD but I knew there was something else I was missing, ty

[@Knightswords]

In context of the Starfield's lore, the Great Serpent was likely a Starborn Guardian. Given that a version of the Hunter had a hand in the early formation of all three of the "religions", it's quite possible it was his ship too.

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

Not to mention that if you go to/through unity itself you more or less see a snake or serpent like formation. I'm very certain that the whole House Va'ruun thing is somehow influenced by unity/starborn directly or indirectly.

[@empresselizabeth95]

I don’t think The Pilgrim was The Hunter because from the notes we find in the Pilgrim’s home we find a Starborn who at first is in tune with their humanity before going full hunter but then after finding no peace in the endless pursuit he finally decides to put down roots and teach those around him. If the Pilgrim is a character we can meet then it is definitely Keeper Aquilis (I’m not looking up how to spell his name) as he is confirmed to be Starborn if you speak to him in NG+

[@sorantohell5096]

​@@empresselizabeth95yeah the keeper is the Pilgrim...because he got tired of being the hunter. He literally tells you he met himself saw what he would become and decided it wasnt worth it.

[@allster0crowly]

@@empresselizabeth95 Thing is the pilgrim is both, one which continued the cycle(the hunter) and the other which stayed to guide the world they decided to stay in(Keeper Aquilis), they even mention that there are multiple versions of you and them, choices are what separate them. My guess is once you become starborn you can become aware of the other yous and the more you go through the cycle the more power you obtain but the split causes your self to be split among those that went through the cycle to become starborn. Thinking of the movie the "The One"(2001) if a version of you manages to kill all other versions of you across the multiverse then they can gain all that was lost by the splits, but each death equally distributes the power to the remaining versions so it becomes increasing difficult to kill those that remains as a reason why the hunter in game would need assistance to kill his other selfs. That is just my guess as to what is happening.

[@mattalford3932]

​@allster0crowly no the hunter became the most powerful starborn. Some versions of himself stopped, but others didn't. The hunter wants you to kill that version of him if you decide to side with him. The hunter is the pilgrim who is the preacher in New Atlantis

[@Domicle]

As soon as you started talking about sentient trees that can communicate across distances, I thought about Kelton Frush(?) in New Atlantis. Have you done his quest line?!

[@mbpoblet]

Also, the Hist.

[@goldfishninja1]

Same here. It's like a starter mission so it would make sense to plant (pun intended) the idea of the trees networking and communicating over large distances.

[@Demon-.]

I'll have to take a look at that later.

[@hiddenleafshinobi2608]

I think you missed the obvious connection with elder scrolls being that the Yokudans from the previous timeline supposedly survived the end of the world and became the redguards. The yokudans believed the entire universe is a snake that is slowly eating itself or something to that effect. It's pretty interesting.

[@Zoten001]

In a sense they are right, Alduin serves that exact purpose. Which would mean in this context that the Great Serpent is Alduin.

[@NoxArcani-z4u]

The snake is Satakal. Think of it as the Ouroborous. Ruptga took some of the skin of the first serpent and created Sep the yokudan version of Lorkhan. Sep had Satakal's hunger as well. Sep had convinced the other gods to take the skin of the first serpent and make into a ball as an alternative to the Walkabout. The spirits that followed him ended up stuck on the skin and could never leave which ended up becoming Mundus and Ruptga hit Sep on the head with a big stick killing him but not his hunger which now lives in the void.

[@Panyc333]

I always imagined a cave/dungeon on a distant moon with a temple carved out of a cliff side. The cave is filled with puzzles and traps that test the player and at the end there is a man who has been there a very long time. Imagine the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. You speak to the man and he says, “tidings weary traveler, my name is Talos..”

[@stevemccann4166]

Could be Sebastian Banks as he went missing.

[@TinMan445]

I really hope we get a faction quest line for house va’ruun if the expansion doesn’t directly have something to do with them. But after NG+ I have no clue what the expansion could be at this point. The more I look at the symbol of house varuun the more it looks like the unity vision when we collect an artifact or go to a temple

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

(I write this comment before watching the video, aka one of the people who scrolled down a bit first after opening it) Plus, DUH, obviously contains SPOILERS . . . . . My current understanding from the lore I saw myself in my playthrough is that House Va'ruun or the ideology behind it is somehow connected or inspired by aspects of Unity. The iconography of the snake, circle (urobourus, snake eating its own tail, "come full circle", etc) and stuff all seem to point to it somehow. The biggest red flag for me is that you witness a serpent looking entity as you glimpse the unity yourself. Maybe something happened to the founder in regards to the unity as he grav jumped or he found artifacts somehow. Maybe the founder is Starborn himself somehow. I do strongly believe that a DLC will heavily involve perhaps both House Va'ruun and unlock/show its faction presence in a new part of the universe and likely focus on both an internal strife (moderates vs. zealots?) and also somehow show us more on how they might be connected or influenced by unity or the serpent thing. All I know is that NOT using House Va'ruun and leaving it at vanilla levels would be a HUGE waste. It's basically not just some but the THIRD MAJOR FACTION (Caps!!!!!).

[@TinMan445]

@@Unknown-ek1oxwell said, i think you nailed a lot there. I have been replaying the main mission as a starborn and forgot that the “Pilgrim” actually gave something to house va’ruun and the house of enlightened. Considering the hunter is keeper Aquilous, it’s odd we haven’t seen any house va’ruun starborn aside from Andreja yet.

[@GoodOlMericanGamer]

@@Unknown-ek1oxyea I agree, i believe that they have a strong tie to the unity and most likely when he saw the serpent while warping it was most likely the same experience we get when picking up an artifact, I believe the one va’ruun worships is most likely a starborn that has been through the unity an indescribable amount of times to gain massive power enough for others to view him as a god but idk we will see when they come out with the dlc’s

[@t.t6294]

at least ONE of the expanions could be about the creators. although they could tie it into the great serpent

[@vladdracula8103]

They will for sure get an expansion

[@lucianjaeger4893]

A suggestion on the serpentis system. It could be a jump in and jump out point for home for them, they could be holding that system specifically to stop hostiles tracking them home.

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Yeah . would make a nice outpost system. Maybe house vruun home world is actually in a uncharted system

[@lucianjaeger4893]

@@silverbloodborne9495 that's my thinking as well their actual territory is outside the settled systems recorded charts and that system house Va'Ruun has a strong presence serpentis is an entry and exit point to their territory they maintain control over.

[@TheParagonIsDead]

Naw

[@san.r.9139]

When you mentioned Bethesda connecting the two lore universes of Elder Scrolls and Starfield, I immediately remembered when the Starfield release was postponed, and Todd Howard said: “Sorry, one of the devs had an absolutely sick idea for something we can do in Elder Scrolls VI and we got super ADHD about it and had to do it right then and there.” Perhaps they were making connections between the two.

[@camerondorsett3590]

Ha ha…l never heard that one before. Best excuse to postpone a release I’ve ever heard off😂

[@sh4dow2788]

Hmmm that may be why house va’ruun doesn’t seem quite flushed out and totally could’ve been a faction to Join. Maybe they were all added at that point to tie the worlds together.

[@Demon-.]

This is an interesting idea. I'm still in the midst of watching the vid (12:39) but the theory behind it is quite interesting. If they add Starborn to TES VI I think that'd be pretty rad! Well... maybe a small bit, like maybe a small DLC-sized quest line that gives you a few perks/Starborn abilities with a cloaked/obscured version of the Hunter or Belum Starborn armor. Starborn abilities + magic does sound awesome though.

[@xivkya6882]

Im obssesed with House Va'ruun, i swear they better let us join them. Every character ive made has the serpent trait

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

Same. I even picked the trait and all. Often wear their armor orr civvie clothes you can find. Heck I pray (to the great serpent of course, who else, DUH) that the first DLC will heavily expand upon them and let me join. It'll probably both revolve around some internal conflict (moderates vs zealots or something like that, open up or isolate/wage war again) and yet show us more how they are influenced by or connected to Unity.

[@Zoten001]

I made a new character with the Serpent trait because I wanted to know if a certain someone's romance dialogue changed if you had it. It weirdly does not, as they still worry about you not having the same faith, even though you do.... Might have been an oversight in writing the quest to reflect your PC having that trait.

[@corbinrose6750]

@@Unknown-ek1oxHow do you find va’ruun clothing??

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

@@corbinrose6750 Kinda regal but in a darker/gothic tone. Hoping the DLC brings some more variants. Likely will.

[@corbinrose6750]

@@Unknown-ek1ox Exactly I need some more edgy options🖤

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Im hoping we get a dlc where house vruun get explored more and we can actually join them and anjria can be a proper companion .

[@intrynzyk]

So Va'ruun are Argonians that communicate telepathically with the hist/venom tree and worship the Redguard god of Sep (their name for Lorkhan - the second serpent). He is said to also be the Serpent constellation that is driven by hunger to devour the other constellations. Elder Scrolls 6 is most likely going to be set in Hammerfell as well. You might be onto something with this.

[@thebluehat6814]

The color thing actually references quantum physics concepts (and just, generally physics); time dilation and spatial manipulation during speed-of-light travel is usually depicted with blue and orange, for blueshifting and redshifting shown in 3d animations and diagrams

[@harrytabb328]

I went to Unity yesterday, and I saw the great Serpent that so many have mentioned. I don't know how I missed him so many times before.

[@drewmeriborne1584]

The idea of the trees communicating is not crazy, there is a small side quest in New Atlantis that establishes the fact that some types of trees do communicate with one another. The quest is given when you hear a guard talking about a scientist by a tree, who seems upset. Although the quest does not establish that the trees can communicate long distance, it does establish that the trees do have at least an insect / animal level of intelligence.

[@jimclayson]

Take a look at the Mantis armor and it's peculiar, white, tabard-like styling... then, take a look at Pelinal Whitestrake's armor. Remember Pelinal is referred to as "The Star-Made Knight" and compare the terms "Star-Made" and "Starborn." Consider the tales of Pelinal's origins and stack those up against the Starborn questline in Starfield. There's clearly at least an implied connection. I've also noticed that Direnni Tower bears a resemblance to the shattered temples in Starfield, but the similarities there are far from conclusive. The Va'ruun having similar parallels tracks. I expect to see the Elder Scrolls connection will likely be expanded upon in the "Shattered Space" DLC, but I doubt very much Bethesda will ever spell out a direct connection.

[@mannybear4691]

But white stroke was called the star made because of the gem in his chest

[@zetsubouda]

Have there been any specific earth references in Elder Scrolls whether as in a parallel universe or some other fashion? The games are so big I don't remember there being any outside easter eggs and copied species but neither really implies a true connection. After like 250 hours of Starfield so far it feels like the connects are primarily intended as easter eggs. There is one comment I will make and that is, without spoiling too much, that the games' stance on multiverses would certainly allow for one that contains Tamriel.

[@IanB3rry]

You can usually expect fun references across games to other IP owned by the same parent company, Bethesda are not the only ones to do this. But they never make it a direct connection. I can’t think of a recent Bethesda game that doesn’t reference their other games or similar media.

[@procrvstinvtion8479]

God the sentient trees makes me think of the terrormorphs and how they can talk to you. I would love to know how a creature evolved to be able to do that

[@harrytabb328]

Wait...what? Terrormorphs can talk??

[@arcanumelite4853]

@@harrytabb328 not really talk as in with words... but they mess with your head with mind control and you can hear voices that aren't real... this only happens during the main vanguard storyline though.

[@dangercorp]

I didn't take it as talking to you. Just putting you in a state to have hallucinations and hear voices. They are generated by your own fears and anxiety rather than spoken by the terrormorphs. But could be either way given that the terrormorphs can fully control creatures.

[@xaleypoo4779]

I'm waiting for modders to mod in you waking up in a cart with a bunch of Swedish guys on your 100th NG+

[@andrewcaulfield4167]

Or wake up in the back of a cart, about to be beheaded...

[@Adiddy927]

Think the House of Va’Ruun founder encountered his starborn self from another universe

[@LordThrain]

I believe the Venom tree is connected to the Hist tree in Elder Scrolls. Also there was the town of Balmora in Morrowind.

[@BansheeKing22]

Late response but Balmora is also a planet in swtor so that implied connection is minimal at best.

[@Callsign_Prophet]

5:23 You can read the logs and talk to survivors. Chambers used a large portion of the security team to fight her way to the shuttles and was the first one off.

[@foxwhy1471]

Am I the only one who thinks the "circle" symbol of Va'ruun looks a collection of artifacts of the Armillary in the Lodge?

[@kirknay]

Spoilers below read at own risk. ... In the main storyline, the pilgrim that interacts with House of the rune, the Church of enlightenment, and the universalists is a starborn.

[@ulyaoth3579]

I also suspect Andromeda the follower you can recruit in New Atlantis is also a Starborn

[@noahhudelson2447]

Varuun is the coolest faction.

[@ThailandDantotherescue]

Why not connect all three universes. The logic is sound. You either figured it out and showed a zillion pieces of evidence, or you are a very imaginative, crazy person with too much free time. I think you nailed it sir!

[@mptproductions2535]

I always joked that house va’ruun just worships akatosh as the great serpent, but the lorkhan connection makes wayyy more sense and I never woulda thought a tes theory for starfield would already exist 😂

[@t-rexreximus359]

If Bethesda wanted to connect their universes (Elder Scrolls, Starfield & Fallout etc), I also wonder if the Great Serpent was the dragon Alduin from Skyrim 🐉 - as I recall he jumps through time & space due to an Elder Scroll

[@beanus4879]

Nice to see that I'm not the only one searching the serpentis system

[@agentnukaz1715]

I was worried about spoilers but man i didnt expect this amount of attention to detail and research. Well done! 👍

[@lien3Productions_ALiEn2368]

I have put thousands of hours into Skyrim. I just started playing starfield 2 weeks ago. I am extremely invested into it already. Everyday at work I listen to lore videos. I am very thankful for this video. I think the connection is very reasonable and makes my brain spiral into wanting to know more about the truth. Great video!

[@vincemcgaj628]

Warning for this comment may contain Starfield spoilers. Here are some crazy, random theories that may or may not be true that you can consider that go hand in hand with this theory: - The Elder Scrolls has an infinite number of universes called a multiverse just like Starfield. - Starfields multiverses and the Elder Scrolls universe/multiverse is in the same multiverse. If this is true, theoretically a starborn type of character should be able to enter the Unity and there may be a chance that someone can go from a Starfield universe to the Elder Scrolls universe. For example, there is an easter egg in Starfield where you can find a character named "Delvin Malory" as a prison inmate at the UC prison known as the Lock from the crimson fleet questline. Is this Delvin Malory a copy of the other Delvin Malory from the Skyrim multi-verse? Just like how there is a copy of Barret from multiple universes or any other character? Or maybe a Delvin Malory from one universe went Starborn and started travelling to different multi-verse? Also, nirnroot can be found in starfield. So I'm pretty confident Starfield and the Elder Scrolls are part of this same multiverse for these reasons. - The artifacts that you get in Starfield are the equivalent to the elders scrolls that you find in the elder scrolls universes. When you touch an artifact you start seeing visions and hear music. The same thing sort of happens when you read an elder scrolls except sometimes you go blind or insane. Maybe those artifacts are the "elder scrolls" of those multiverses. I am certain they are connected. - The Starborn and the Aedra/Daedra are related somehow. Maybe the Aedra/Daedra are Starborn themselves from another universe? This particular bullet is likely not going to stand on all legs after this next bullet. - At the end of the Starfield main story, your player character meets another version of themselves in Unity and they say some important stuff the community should touch base on. Specifically, they mention the "creators" in this scene implying that the starfield multiverse does have a creator or creators. It's likely these creators are gods. Maybe these creators are Anu and Padomay? Maybe they are Anui-El and Sithis? Maybe those creators are more aedra/daedra beings that we saw in elder scrolls universes? Or the same Aedra/Daedra we sawe from elders scrolls? Or maybe similar but different copies? I really hope they explore these creators more in the next Starfield game or perhaps a Starfield DLC. Either way, I think there is a relationship between Anu and Padomay and the "creators" of the Starfield universe. - A Dragon break happened in the Starfield main questline during the Entangled quest. Dragon breaks are basically when a universe branches off into multiple universes and then merge back together into one universe. When you visited that lab in that quest, a dragon break happened which is why in one universe the entire lab survived the explosion and in another universe everyone died except 1 guy. - A "Kalpa cycle" in the elder scrolls is just a universe. - Maybe the Dwemer became Starborn from the elder scrolls? It's likely the whole Dwemer mystery was that they went to another universe and left the elder scrolls universes behind because they were too smart and everything was too medevil in the elder scrolls from them. Lets face it, I think the Dwemer would have fit in better in a Starfield universe than one where societies still use castles and swords and stuff. All in all, I think this is just a huge clever metaphor Bethesda made for both Starfield and the Elder Scrolls is that when you boot up the game, it's like booting up a copy of a universe that has all these different possible outcomes and scenarios in a RGP. All of them technically happens when a player experiences them but non happen because it's just a fictional video game. The elders scrolls also use this metaphor. The Starborn is just a metaphor for a player character who finished the main quest and gets to do whatever they please in this new "universe" or "playthrough" and have fun and try all these different RPG outcomes because they have done it all before in another previous "universe" or game. The Emissary represents players on their first few playthroughs when they are trying to be careful, be the hero, and make all the right decisions. The Hunter represents a player who has already played this game too many times, more than 10 times on new game plus and has tried out like every single possibility and has done everything there is to do in the game already which is why the Hunter said they've done this too many times and viewed how everything played was so interesting for the player character, it's because something was happening to that player that did not happen on previous playthroughs even after 10+ playthroughs. The Hunter even wears the same uniform that the player gets after the completed new game plus like 10 times to cement this possibility. Which makes these games so great, there are all these permutations and different outcomes that these games are like a metaphoric multiverse of endless possibilities! The Elder Scrolls definitely has similar troupes in their games with the elder scrolls themselves and dragon breaks and they even had a similar player character metaphor with the Starborn for the ebony warrior when you reach level 80; the ebony warrior says they have done pretty much everything, every quest, and cleared every dungeon. The Ebony Warrior from Skyrim is like the Hunter from Starfield in a lot of ways. Anu and Padomay are a metaphor for the game devs. It's all just a big metaphor for a good Bethesda RPG game and I love it. Time to go all out on new game plus.

[@TheBlackRose3]

This is the longest comment I've ever received 😂and there's a lot of great stuff in here. I'm glad you enjoyed this video Vince and thank you for these theories! I'll keep them in mind.

[@DevelopmentRobco]

IDK if anyone has found all of the planets or found a planet like it, but id willing to bet Bethesda has a planet somewhere with the same geography, continents, and islands as Nirn maybe way before Humans and Mer came to be.

[@agentnukaz1715]

Idk but someone has found nirnroot 😋

[@edgarpacheco8351]

well there is a planet called Nirra that might Nirn in the future

[@Bread_n_Roses]

@@agentnukaz1715 Nirnroot was in Fallout 4 too; nothing to start whooping about.

[@spartanleinadp01]

I think is pretty obvious. UC represents Starfield, FC represents Fallout and HV will represent TES

[@casperbc7698]

Bravo man, really great video.

[@NetraAmorosi]

I mean their homeworld is said to be outside of the settled systems, so I highly doubt it's going to be any of the existing systems we currently have access to. I think the cultists are just in that system because of it's name sake. I don't think they are connected personally, I think the writers may drawn influence from Elderscrolls lore, but if the Great Serpent is real I think he's probably his own thing, maybe sharing aspects with Lorkhan but not actually him.

[@lucianjaeger4893]

Serpentis could also be their jump in and jump out point. They could hold that system specifically to stop hostiles potentially tracking them home.

[@Callsign_Prophet]

There's a lot of side comments in game about how they wish communication wasn't so slow. (Like real life messages/signals send at the speed of light meaning it would take years to communicate without messengers grav jumping). I believe at least on of the DLC will be about FTL communication with likely house Va'ruun already achieving it.

[@The_Regolino]

Seem No one notice that the 3 big himan group are the same as PlanetSide, even Vanuu seem Va'ruun

[@TheKonkaman]

The next starfield dlc has the Dwemer turn up with steam powered starships and lay waste the settled systems

[@BorgWolf359]

Very well done! I love House Va'ruun in Starfield! I love when Bethesda does this! I'd love to see something about the Dwarves indirectly in Starfield! To me all of the games are connected in some way! Great vid, keep up the good work! Liked & Subbed!

[@AngelCakes1997]

The Dwemer are not in Starfield, the Elder Scrolls has nothing to do with either Starfield or Fallout. The cosmology is utterly different.

[@DragonMercX4]

Meanwhile at Bethesda: "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!!"

[@vladthedeathless9439]

Bro this is sick keep slaying it!

[@yifeiren8004]

That cycle symbol is clearly standing for unity. Serpent is a starborn.

[@Shadowpack95]

We need more Starfield Lore videos

[@stacythomas9916]

Interesting theory. A lot of small things in this game put ES into mind for me as well, but I would never have come to this conclusion myself. It does seem possible though when you break down your reasoning, and I am impressed at the amount of research you did to get to this explanation. Now we just have to wait for the DLC content to see if you might be right :)

[@nathanielaprill5299]

I absolutely look forward to a follow up of the remainder of your findings and any other new Starfield Lore you find and connect to mythology

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

A slightly interesting little Elder Scrolls fact I just figured out. Dragon Language is a slightly Bastardized form of the Language of the Gods in Elder Scrolls.

[@mikehorne4053]

In-world wise I think the Great Serpent may also be Roko's Basilisk. Perhaps Jinaan spoke with an AI who had not yet reached singularity, but knows enough of humanity to be aware of the Roko's Basilisk thought experiment and is seeking to use it as a way to encourage humans to aid it.

[@bigbrother6505]

Yeah I thought about this too it's quite similar to the concept

[@GhostlyCowboy]

The venom trees are space versions of the Hyst trees from elderscrolls

[@nickboon1235]

I wanna drizzle in that grav drives were invented through (ab)use of the Artifacts, which would be the Serpent’s if they created the universe, making grav jumping even closer related to the primordial power you mentioned

[@samuelhernandez3948]

This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for when sea ching for starfield lore. Very good stuff.

[@jaredbaxter7584]

My thoughts went the Hist and Sithis. There’s a lot of parallels for Sithis, the void and serpents, including the serpent constellation that is trying to devour the other constellations.

[@17JosephLC]

Thanks for the video, Black Rose! Will you be making a sequel/update video after all of the lore of Shattered Space has been sifted through?

[@TheBlackRose3]

Maybe eventually, there's a TON of new clues in there so if you've picked up on any well done 👏. But SS and really still Starfield as a whole isn't very popular, so I'm not sure it's really in my interest to do it. We'll see 🤷‍♂

[@Zoten001]

The way I thought about the possible link between Elder Scrolls and Starfield is this: Given Mundus's non-standard cosmology (a single planet with some moons in a void, no real stars or Sun) is that it is a kind of pocket dimension in some kind of subspace that exists in Starfield's real-space. The original makers of the Artifacts that lead to the Unity are the Aedra and Deadra. It wouldn't surprise me in ES6 if in whatever Deadric realm you find yourself in you find a strange looking armillary that possibly resembles a prototype of the one used to grant access to the Unity. This would explain how the Deadra can realm hop and create their own planes. They are just small artificial universes that were made in the lead up of whatever project the Artifact makers were doing on the project to get to Unity.

[@captnawty7966]

Great detective work and I think you're on to something here. Great job on this video.

[@HurricaneOK1]

Also they discussed earth in SF being earth from Fallout during production... But due to other constraints/C19 they dropped that idea... But maybe it was all part of a plan to link all their game universes together. That would be cool.

[@TheBlackRose3]

Wouldn't it be cool if it worked in the opposite order that we would expect? Starfield, then Fallout, then Elder Scrolls. 😂

[@tom2gunzbombadil689]

Well done 👏

[@Markcrazeer]

Be very careful with lore Easter eggs. They usually imply that the two are connected and would be misinformation if they are not. If lorkan/satakal is canon to this game then that implies so is Tamriel even if it is in a different kalpic cycle.

[@BlaqueValue]

I have been searching for Nirn.

[@NetraAmorosi]

Not going to find it, if it does exist somewhere in starfield lore wise, it's going to be a completely different universe / realm / dimension we more then likely will never get to visit.

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

I thought the great serpent was just Phil from the small wiener club.

[@Mephilis78]

One way or another, Nirn will be in this game. Even if someone has to mod it lol. That said, this game could easily be a prequel, but I think Nirn, the planet Tamriel is on, would have to be in a, different galaxy. Obviously, humans would get to Nirn by some kind of crash landing, or by purposefully landing and then swearing off the use of technology, for some reason. The reason I say this is because there has to be a legitimate reason why no other humans come by and discover the same planet. The humans in Starfield seem like they will eventually colonize the entire Milky Way. It also has to be a very long time between Starfield and Elder Scrolls. Enough time for new races to form through incremental mutation, and enough time for the humans on Nirn to completely lose all records and oral stories of how they got there. Now, that's just to explain Yokudans, Redguards, Nedes, Cyrodills, Atmorans, and Nords. There are several possibilities for the beast races and elves. Even more possibilities for Akaviri races. For example, what if the House Vaa'run were complelled by the serpent to settle Nirn. Then multiple groups formed to settle different areas. A group becomes the Atmorans, one becomes Yokudans, one goes to Tamriel and becomes the Nedes, another, the most dedicated to the great serpent, goes to Akavir and becomes Tsaesci. Perhaps a group of heretics who don't want to worship the serpent goes to Aldmeris and becomes the first elves... Etc. It's just fun to think about.

[@me5969]

Tbf it might well exist but not in our cluster or even the milky way for that matter. If there are any cosmic god/entity things in this game then it's safe to assume they're not confined to the local cluster. It's almost a certainty that fallout exists in some form anyway because we know multiverses are obviously cannon, so it's entirely possible TES is but they're probably all a fringe thing. I doubt any would crop up outside of Easter eggs or passing references. Hay, where everyone keeps disappearing to might be the same place as the dwarves in TES, who knows?

[@Formoka]

So did Lorhkan just go through the Unity multiple times? Is that the previous iterations thing? Was he Starborn?

[@CaesartheX]

The lore and everything is dope but from an rpg sense, like in game, personally i dont believe the serpent is real but even if it is i would fight against it. "Worship me or die" gives enough grounds to push back against the seprent and try to save the settled systems by using the powers of Starborn

[@Vienna3080]

I always knew House V’Ruun sounded way to Elder Scrolls esque and reminded me of Morrowind

[@TheBrokensaintvxvx]

Traditionally, a serpent indicative in any sort of historical mythos has been either a caduceus of some kind (two snakes intertwined) or an oruroboros (a snake eating kts tale). We see examples of both of these throughout the game, as well as when discussing certain concepts of the game. If I had to take a wild Crack at the meaning of the great serpents return, the colonization of vsruun, their ideals, I would have to suggest that their serpents return is in line with... "one who takes for themselves," instead of "one who protects others from themselves." I'd say varuun is less fantasy in reference and more dune house Atreides. And I don't think SFs lore is based on elderscrolls. My reasoning is relevant to the books available, Oliver twist, moby dick... these are "our universe" books. Of course I say all this, but if we come across a disc world (literally tamriel is a disc. Thanks vavek) in some way off location in starfield, I wouldn't be surprised.

[@sporeerops1]

Bingo! I've been telling everyone House Va'ruun is inspired by Dune. The UC is based on Star Trek. The FC is based on Firefly. House Va'ruun is basically House Harkonnen. What do we see in the Dune universe on Arrakis? Giant sand worms. What does House Va'ruun preach about? A Great Serpent. Keep in mind that they disappeared for years, but it's never specifically stated the colony ship that spawned Houze Va'ruun went missing during a grav jump. It supposedly just fell off all sensors, and left nothing behind. Is it possible that they may have gone to a planet where great serpents live? Could Varuunkai be like Arrakis? Then following that, maybe Jinaan Va'ruun met a cosmic entity of sorts during a grav jump, and could only process it as the Great Serpent. Keep in mind, you need to grav jump with the Armillary to enter the Unity. We know that the Artifacts gifted Dr. Victor with knowledge of the grav drives along with other visions of the future. Maybe grav jumping is actually some form of space magic, similar to the Starborn powers we get in the Temples. Could the Artifacts creating grav drives which allow someone to find them and become Starborn be the Ourobourous that HV uses as a motif? Maybe the "Great Serpent" has been heavily exaggerated and misunderstood entirely. Perhaps, like many Great Prophets, Jinaan Va'ruun meant to spread a message that was corrupted by other people. A message about how he was given a vision of the true nature of reality being a cosmic loop that perpetuates itself in each and every universe.

[@imperialdebauchery5988]

You won't come across a Discworld novel, they're still all under copyright and belong to the Patchett estate. All the books featured are public domain.

[@procrvstinvtion8479]

⁠@@sporeerops1i thought the UC was starship troopers?

[@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm]

Freestar is most definitely Firefly, brown coats and all. The UC fits in with that but also with Starship Troopers and “service guarantees citizenship!” There are elements of the Alien universe with Terromorphs filling in for Xenomorphs and the UC having an interest in using alien life as xeno-weapons. Va’ruun and the Great Serpent I think ties into some old real world mythology and the stuff put forward by Graham Hancock. I seem to remember there being a great serpent eating the stars every 22,000 years or some such, hench all the hiding underground and trying to leave warnings about what happens periodically during certain phases of the night sky. I haven’t played through the main storyline yet, as I wanted to pace it out, so I haven’t seen all the puzzle pieces yet.

[@ElPepe-gn8ui]

not directly connected but on the earth colony ship orbiting paradiso, they have a garden with lots of different types of plants and one of them seems to heavily resemble nirnroot.

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Nirnroot is also in fallout So is blood leaf

[@derekatom864]

I was hoping that we would get to fight the Serpent in future DLC.

[@agent.4715]

I love the energy bro you had me hooked from the start but when we were getting into the colours of the grab jumps it started to become a bit of a stretch and then the balmor theory was a bit whack but I’m loving the enthusiasm and creativity of these theory’s and hey maby you will be right and I’ll eat my words, but Thankyou for this video I’m excited to see what starfield brings next and I hope for your sake that there is some sort of connection between the two universes via lorkahn. Keep at it my man 👍🏻

[@holosloth9]

Similar to the obsidian thing you mentioned, the pain blade’s blade pattern or how it was forged could be similar. It almost reminded me of Damascus steel but the obsidian makes a lot more sense after I watched this.

[@redactedc1928]

You earned a sub. Good job.

[@st0rts11D4]

Dang dude, id keep up the momentum on the research. One of the first serious lore videos ive seen and i loved it. I think youre right about the dlc tease and dunmer/TES connection. Im not sold on the lorkan connection though, a bit too esoteric imo. Anywho, you got my sub. Nicely digestible video length time too. I hope to see more deep lore dives, best of luck.

[@rickenthal9338]

Love the new video. Clever theory regarding the Great Serpent and Lorkhan. Keep them coming!

[@melvindavis9392]

This was one of the BEST Starfield lore videos I have ever seen. I ❤'d it

[@yogunihachimi6797]

I forget his name but there's time traveling future super soldier elfkiller guy in TES lore right? Considering TES is half fantasy half Sci-Fi in the first place, this idea of Starfield & TES in same universe makes some sense.

[@oliverdahms5552]

Heller says no more Jumps to Va'ruun Space , Ka'Zal was the last Mineoperation. And there are Va'ruun in this Mine ... are some Clues there ?

[@mgf555]

5:03 that same plant I found it in Serpentis IV ... in a small colony outpost ... they only had 2 plants inside their home .. and it was those ones ... am also scouting all Serpentis system .. with special interest in Serpentis IV, because in files Dazra is located in this planet. But havent found it yet. Maybe its underground or maybe its hidden, remember that all Varuun documents (the ones that give u permanent buff) are about stealth.

[@immortaldreams5868]

Plot Twist: Starfield is Elder Scrolls VI

[@IVKenji]

I might be mistaken but I think That Helena lady is there when you first arrive at new Atlantis she escaped with a coworker and a young boy named billy whom says he parents are coming yet no one believes him you can find billy later with his parents.

[@rhadamanthus2601]

When you showed the Adamantine Tower, it reminded me of the first part of settlement/colony building. If you remove that first device, you cancel the settlement. As the towers are pillars of Nirn/Mundus existence, and the Thalmor have been trying to destroy them to return to their celestial existence... maybe they just want to pull up stakes on the original research bases which make living there habitable, to get their resources back and fly off into space.

[@TheBlackRose3]

That's very clever, hadn't thought of that.

[@blindeye7677]

You know now that you mention it, if you go to the well directly connected to the mast entrance . As soon as you walk out of the elevator to the right on the wall there is graffiti that states “they are coming” and encircling those words looks like what appears to be a Serpent.

[@CommanderStarfireWolf]

With the mod Faction Backgrounds, Faction Outpost Guards and Faction Ships by IDontLikeNexus for PC and Xbox. You can start out as a Va'ruun Zealot in your background and will be given a Va'ruun weapon and spacesuit. Then the player can buy a Va'ruun ship in new atlantis. The mod also gives the player an outpost beacon that will bring other Va'ruun npcs to your outpost that you can recruit. All Va'ruun will also no longer be hostile to the player unless the player fires apon them.

[@zogg_the_eternal7981]

Once I realised the music is on a 2 second loop I couldn't focus on the video anymore. I watched this video 2 days ago and keep hearing this music loop when i'm trying to sleep.

[@Djatawesome]

I chose serpent's embrace as a trait because it sounded cool, now I fully believe I've recorded laughter while grav jumping

[@conanholmes8620]

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the dwemer from elder scrolls appeared in later DLC having despaired from that universe and ended up on a planet in starfield with a extremely high technology civilization with dweven power armour or something, loved the vid...subbed and liked!

[@latrinedveen]

Came across Bal'mor and starting digging on Va'ruun because no joke, I thought Bal'mor and Thalmor were really close. Remember what Dark Elves were called? Plus the House symbol looks alot like the elder scrolls logo. I agreee with the points you made, they left us a really big easter egg here. It is the little things like this that keep me playing Bethsda games.

[@thunderkrux7745]

How much further can you tie this in? Like is there anything about being a Starborn that relates to Elder Scrolls? Other than a similar naming convention to Dragon Born?

[@lannik_0]

NG+ : The cycle of rebirth of an avatar of Shor? Talos, Shezzarin, Dragonborn ..they where always a metaphor for the player experiencing new stories.

[@xxXTheLloydXxx]

@@lannik_0 so you could technically have this be that, trying to go into the unity when something alters it somehow? leading into more fantasy like worlds because of it....resulting in a different "born" dragon and the fallout styles theyve had

[@gentlesquachxoxo228]

I think it was kinda confirmed that the starborn and the unity have a lot to do with every religion in starfield, and I think dune was the actual inspiration for this faction

[@StarBoy-fd5uw]

As long as I don't mix anything up and think of another game But isn't the entire Elder Scroll world supposed to be nothing more than a dream of an unknown Being which is why people just disappear as soon as they realize it? But that would probably only make it even more to an Easter egg

[@RafPlaysAnythin]

Hey, about the serpentis system, the planets are random, i traveled to the system in my game and the planets were different, tough the increased number of va'ruun zealots there is higher

[@TheBlackRose3]

Thank you for checking!

[@InZomnia365]

I think some of your points were great. Im a little more iffy on the colour thing - but, on the other hand, humans first learned to make grav drives from an artifact. We know what the artifacts do and where they lead through the main quest, but we dont actually know where they came from or who made them.

[@datastorm17]

One year later and the DLC theory is true. Maybe not what you thought it would be but I'm happy we get some more lore for all of this coming up. I think the Va'ruun symbol is a wormhole (which is how you get to the homeworld in the dlc) and maybe even the Great Serpent itself, or it's home. I think it would be hilarious if the Serpent was Sheogorath, but there's so many things that hint Skyrim and Starfield exist in the same universe.

[@7sevin7]

The whole threat to eat them when they consume the universe thing just gives Roko's Basilisk vibes.

[@DreadWolf84]

This makes me want to re-roll a new character and that the va’ruun trait to see what else we can discover.

[@nspriester]

Not much. I played a va'ruun. You get unique dialouge with bal'mor and can read house va'ruun hymns to pass certain groups of space faring zelots.

[@thomasduke3145]

Venom tree seems similar to the hist tree from es as well

[@kaerithiakeshan]

Thats what I thought. Sounds very familiar with the Hist. Fits well with the point they help the argonian...which are indeed lizards...and kinda snakes (not really but you know what I mean)

[@TheBlackRose3]

That didn't occur to me! And according to the Anuad, Hist trees are among the oldest beings in Elder Scrolls! Thank you for bringing this up! 😃

[@baneblackguard584]

Interesting take on everything. So I guess then that House Va'ruun are the ancient ancestors of the Ehlnofey. The Starborn I guess are the Magna Ge, especially if we gain the ability to create star systems with the mod tools when they come out. or, Those Starborn who keep jumping are Daedra, those who choose to stay are the Aedra. Which are you? If you are correct about Lorkhan, it is those who chose to stay that turned against him and broke him apart.

[@Immortal-Headcase]

Hmm. Odd, I assumed since the profile of the alien device is their symbol, which also resembles the symbol of Jormungandr the serpent who surrounds the world devouring his own tail. I also assumed the chap who had the vision mid jump just got an info dump from a parallel of himself. Since Skyrim has Daedra and Fallout has random Cthulhu gods Starfield has ascended beings maybe? EDIT: Just realised the circle symbols are Bethesda's thing, Fallouts round vault door, Skyrim snake eating it's tail and Starfields round alien device, never noticed before.

[@Kitsula]

Might it not be not Lorkhan but the 'Celestial Serpent' from Elder Scrolls Online. He was the embodiment of the Serpent Constellation that fell to earth and started a similar Fanatic Cult called the 'Scaled Court' to worship him. He promised to reward them for helping his plans to remake Nirn in his image after purging everything. He was stopped in Nirn by three other Celestial: The Thief, The Warrior, and The Mage by sealing him away from the plane of Nirn, but they are in a hurry to leave at the end as they are concerned "his attention will wander elsewhere". From the end of The Oldest Ghost with all Objectives completed: The Serpent: "No! The mortals must perish!" The Warrior: "It is done." The Mage: "The Serpent could not break this new seal with the blood of a thousand mortals. He will never return to this plane." The Thief: "But his attention will wander elsewhere. We should depart."

[@nathanielaprill5299]

Holy Snakes! The Stone Tree! their Sap!....HIST Trees! Are the Argonians tied to lorkhan's chosen in anyway?

[@DickyReeves]

I think I have already been to Serpentis but I will happily explore that area and hyu. I think you’re on to something with Lorkan and ES. As you visit temples and acquire powers you are bathed in Star Matter. In ES lore the stars are holes which provide magicka to Nirn. You become less human with each time you pass through the Unity. What if eventually you become a Star? A source of pure magicka. I know that’s a leap but it seems to fit with obviously several pages of details that need to be fleshed out in-between becoming a star from Starborn. Lorkan was a trickster as well. This could explain that why not even the Starborn are sure what happens to them given enough times phasing through Unity…

[@petrusiusmaximus]

In the light of this video, the scientist's quest at the big tree in New Atlantis takes on a completely different meaning, doesn't it?

[@Mephilis78]

Wait wait wait, even if the locations were proc placed, the POIs on a planet are all hand crafted anyway.

[@BobWobbles]

Initially I thought shattered space might be a reference to the wide scale outlawing of grav drives. When you consider that it was grav drive technology that ended up putting the final nail in Earth's coffin I thought that a reasonable view to take. If grav drives suddenly became very difficult to acquire, I thought that could be seen as a shattering of the existing order but after seeing this vid I'm not so sure anymore. .. Anyway, it's a fun thing to speculate about. Enjoyed the video.

[@PaulDCooper67]

I was just talking with my son and wife about how it wouldn't surprise me if T.H. played the long game and will tie E.S., Fallout and Starfield together. It seems a no brainer and a pretty simple alignment.

[@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm]

What I want to know is why can’t you tell Andreja that you’ll help her get home by just heading put and scouting all the stars? I have a Starborn Guardian III in my first play through, so jump range isn’t really a problem.

[@markraymondgratil164]

House Va’ruun reminds me of the antagonist faction on a Vin Diesel movie called "The Chronicles of Riddick"