Trying out 15/45 sprockets on the CFmoto 450mt

Trying a friend's bike which has 15 front sprocket with 45 tooth rear, let's see what rpm is at 100 kmh.

[@ozmarineboy1090]

Thanks for the video mate. Hope you enjoyed my bike, I really like the new gearing on it.

[@bazz6670]

Cheers mate, thanks for letting try it out. It rides nice and I do like the gearing , be good to get it off road and see what gearing is like on the tracks and hills.

[@luispedrobardales9226]

Hey care to share the link of the sprocket you bought? Can’t find one specific for the 450 MT

[@vnm_8945]

how is it on off-road with this system?

[@Gmac237]

Great work you guys a wealth of information 👍All I need now is to find a 450MT of my own to try all your great mods out on. 🙏

[@bazz6670]

Thank you for such a great comment. Hope you find one soon.

[@marcofossa5741]

Thanks Bazz once again for this further "gear experiment".. looking forward to seeing another episode related to offroad conditions... generally speaking, I hope that the Chinese manufacturer will start thinking to make a factory modification on this model, for example by changing ratios in 5th and 6th gears.. in such a way both highway and dirt track needs would be satisfied

[@bazz6670]

@marcofossa5741 Thanks for the comment, this bike doesn't belong to me. On my own bike I have 15 front sprocket. After riding off road up steep hills in the high country I don't think I would lower gearing anymore than that. The standard gearing is ideal for off road. On the highway with 15 it sits on about 6500 rpm and 130 is 7000 rpm.

[@marcofossa5741]

@@bazz6670 Thanks Bazz... I did remember about your bike and your sproke... again, thanks a lot Mate!

[@JamieBroughton70]

I'm 6ft 2 and Selling my Africa Twin to buy one of these going to definitely change sprockets and seat plus taller screen. Thanks, great video.

[@bazz6670]

@JamieBroughton70 good stuff , I'm 5,10 and getting the High seat. You will definitely benefit from it. Good luck with the new bike.

[@ozmarineboy1090]

i made lowered footpegs from bmw1200 kit is better for legs now too

[@roadstrom]

That will certainly make it better for touring. I seriously considered selling my V-Strom 650 for one but after a test ride they just don't have enough power for high speed long hauling.

[@bazz6670]

@roadstrom The vstrom is a great bike, I had a series 2 . It was actually better on fuel than the 450. It's only as I get older I am enjoying the lighter bike and ease of off-roading. Cheers for commenting.

[@eskerinola5845]

Hi there; 1- Isn't that thing on top of the speedo blocking your sight? 2- I wonder how the 450 would've behaved (i.e. gral. vibration and revs) @ 120/130/140 km/h which are closer to real speeds for long trips. Since most of us do not have the luxury of a truck to take the bikes to a trail road, we might need to ride them at highway speeds for hours. This is way, at least for me, highway speeds are a dealbreaker at selecting the right bike.

[@cangaroojack]

Hey mate! I can't speak for personal experience since i've not ridden the bike, but reports from trusty journalists here in Italy all say that at highway speeds (here the usual is 120/130 and 140 for the eventual overtake) all say that the engine stays smooth as butter, but the revs are decently high at cruise speed with still some legs for the eventual overtake. So the consensus is that it's not ideal for touring, but a couple of hours of highway are no problem, might need a rest stop here and there if you're a taller biker! So far the only thing i don't really like is the fuel economy

[@ozmarineboy1090]

it goes fine at 130kmh, i havent tested faster yet till after 1st service. it doesnt block my sight at all, i'm 186cm tall

[@cangaroojack]

@@ozmarineboy1090 Oi mate! Thanks for jumping in! I'm a little taller at 1.90 and havent had the chance to sit on one yet! So how are you finding the knee bend situation? Is the tall "Rally" seat a must? Thanks a bunch!

[@bazz6670]

Thanks for the comment, it looks like view is blocked because camera is below chin height but not problem with visibility. With the gearing changed bike drops rpm a bit and is quite comfortable. The twin is very smooth. I can say it is way better for long distance than my old dr 650.

[@AridersLifeYT]

Thanks for sharing, i cant wait to get mine soon.

[@bazz6670]

Cheers , hope you get your bike soon.

[@arianricko100]

How would behave with a pillion and luggage? Should I modify it like in this video or get another bike? I think is amazing bike but sometimes I want to go on multi day trips trough alps but highways are included

[@bazz6670]

@arianricko100 I just have 15 on front and it's pretty good.

[@glennmorrissey2529]

Hi Bazz, can you supply the detail for where you can purchase the sprockets and bar risers at all? I am taking a test ride this Saturday and if I buy I would get the tall seat and and bar risers as I am 195cm and around 105kilo in weight, also, I notice the bike had different pegs on it, "Pivotpegs"? Thanks and am enjoying your detail regarding the CF MOTO.

[@bazz6670]

@glennmorrissey2529 Look up uncles Wang's shop , I just bought another front sprocket there a genuine CFMOTO part. They have most stuff. I bought bar risers from ebay and tall seat from cfmoto site. Tall seat is way more comfortable. Wang's have the pivot pegs too.

[@bwlyon]

It would seem if you’re doing some long distance touring the 15/45 sprocket setup would be very nice if not optimal. I can’t wait till we get this 450 in the USA. I’ve contacted my local dealer and they’re not sure when they are going to get them and aren’t ready to take deposits yet. Thanks for the video.

[@bazz6670]

Thanks for checking out my video, hopefully you get the bikes soon, I can't understand why USA is slow getting them in some states. Gearing will be nice for your long highway stretches.

[@michiganmoto7687]

@@bazz6670We are always nearly a year behind on getting all the bikes when the rest of the world gets to enjoy them. We also do not get all the variations of the models that most other parts of the world get. Example: Tenere 700. We only get it in standard trim. It seems the motorcycle industry seems the US less deserving. We are afterthoughts and get the left overs. Yes I’m bitter but happy for those of you that get early access to new inventory. Cheers 🍻

[@Motolifechina]

This is absolutely perfect you could import it directly from china but the import take might be a little much

[@editandreel]

Hi Mate. Nice video👍 I think a lot of people waiting for this test. In my opinion the gear box is made not for higway and the solution of this, is change front sprocket to 15T and we find optimum. Best regards from Poland!

[@bazz6670]

Thank you, I'm glad I had the opportunity to try the bike with 15/ 45 gearing, we will get it out in the bush sometime and see how it goes. The gearbox is close in gears but maybe it's like that because of the motor size. Cheers from Australia.

[@dertechniker8867]

​@@bazz6670that's the problem. I don't understand why they didn't made a 500cc with 48 hp. My Brixton Crossfire 500 XC has 500cc with 48 hp and the engine is a dream and don't need any modifications.

[@bazz6670]

@dertechniker8867 it would be spot on with a 500 cc motor, the motors in these bikes have been around for a long time in the road bikes like the 450 sr and nk, they just retuned them to have power lower down.

[@tdv7716]

Thank you for the video . I took delivery of my MT 450 last weekend in Sydney and the bike impresses me everyday more and more . Can I ask you which supplier was used for the 15T and 45 T sprockets ? Thanks

[@bazz6670]

@tdv7716 Hey that's great your enjoying the bike. I believe he bought his sprockets from alixpress. I bought my 15 from uncle wang shop. Try to get get genuine CFMOTO. The sr and nk share the same sprocket, do have a dealer in Sydney they might be a better choice. Cheers

[@williammuir638]

Good to know! What was wrong with standard bike equipment and settings!

[@bazz6670]

Standard is still good, but the rpm is a little hogh for some. Just changing front to 15 is what I am using and drops rpm plus I have higher profile tyres which dropped rpm more. Mine sits on about 5200 rpm at 100 kmh.

[@OzADVRider]

That high seat looks good!

[@bazz6670]

The thickness makes it soft and can move around more.

[@イエンスヨハンセン]

Thanks for this video mate - I’m doing my front sprocket today but I hadn’t considered the rear as well. So maybe more wrenching. One thing though. How much is off-road performance comprised?

[@bazz6670]

@イエンスヨハンセン Thank you for watching, I would not change the rear sprocket. I think it will loose to much torque. 15 is good alrounder.

[@イエンスヨハンセン]

@ saves me a bit more work - thanks mate!

[@イエンスヨハンセン]

Fit the 15t sprocket today. You were absolutely right. It was all I needed. No discernible difference in first. All the difference needed in sixth. This should be the factory fitted sprocket

[@bazz6670]

@イエンスヨハンセン awesome to hear, I found "fitting higher profile tyres makes the revs" drop a little bit as well.

[@NghiaKTS]

That's awesome, thank a lot Bazz! Do you think this engine still has enough torque if replacing 15/44 T sprocket for both front and rear? Because I see a lot of dual sport bike using interchangeable sprocket sets for 14/47T vs 15/44T due to equivalent chain lengths.

[@bazz6670]

@NghiaKTS It will loose some torque but still ok for road use, on my own bike I have just 15 front and it's good for off-road and hwy.

[@stevesane800]

Thanks Bazza, just for reference for everyone including me, what sre the revs/speeds between the stock factory gearing, the 15T front sprocket only ( with stock rear sprocket) and going to the front 15T & 45T rear? Please? Cheers!

[@ozmarineboy1090]

around 6000 rpm stock at 100km/h, 5200rpm with 15/45 sprockets now

[@bazz6670]

The 15 dropped rpm to about 5400 . It is still pretty good at that rpm

[@nevillegreg1]

How does it wheelee with your set-up and this set-up and compared with stock? I don't mean stunt riding, more like the effect on getting that front wheel up when riding over wet greasy logs on an enduro trail. Is it easier or harder to lift the front wheel with the modded gearing?

[@ozmarineboy1090]

i havent wheelied it yet, new to adventure riding pretty much. slightly harder to lift wheel a it has less slightly less power available now

[@lukaxbd2384]

It is gonna have less power/torque and acceleration so i dont see the point in doing that because the bike already isn't soo powerfull and it is not made for cruising

[@chrishart8548]

How would it have less power ? ​@lukaxbd2384

[@chrishart8548]

You can still re create the same rpm at the same speed just using a different gear now. Nothing has really changed. First gear is gone now but you do have a seventh gear instead.

[@chrishart8548]

@OzMarineBoy-ql7ov what if you just change down a gear ?

[@joseripoll-i4d]

Hola, el piñon de 15 dientes de que fabricante es ? El de JT no encaja bien en el estriado

[@sapte62]

CFMoto makes a 15 one for 450NK that works fine, it seems. No idea about the 45 on the back

[@pawelwolski1316]

I wonder if this is not too much of a compromise? How will this gearing work on slow trails? As stated before, riding back to back 14 and 15t already compromised some acceleration/tight roads fun factor and slow tech type of trail riding. Sucks that the transmission higher gearing is so short for highway riding.

[@bazz6670]

After today off road in very muddy conditions I'll stick with 15 tooth and not do rear at the moment. It is still tractorble in second on hills and good on hwy. Everybody will have different needs and likes. It's not really a compromise, I have changed gearing on most bikes I've owned.

[@pawelwolski1316]

@@bazz6670 Thx for the info.

[@kvndleee]

@@bazz6670 im still thorn if i will change the rear sprocket to 45T, currently im using 15T at the front. Im more on 90% road and 10% off road. What do you think bro?

[@bazz6670]

@@kvndleee Doing the 45-tooth rear will drop the rpm another 200, personally I'm just going to use the 15-tooth front. my bike sits on about 5400 rpm. It does make the bike cruise nice at over 100 kmh but there is a tiny bit of slower acceleration. if you are doing long hwy trips and don't do hard off-road tracks it will be good. I do hwy to get offroad and hills. I hope that helps a little, you can always try it and compare.

[@kvndleee]

@@bazz6670 thank you!

[@binguskhan1]

Where are the sprockets from? Does the 450MT share sprocket sizes with another model?

[@bazz6670]

The 450 sr and nk are the same. The owner of this bike found another front sprocket for 650nk on allixpress which is genuine cfmoto and a tighter fit than the jt brand.

[@metalsadman]

400nk and 650 nk is a perfect fit.

[@zynth123]

@@bazz6670 Link? 🙂

[@davidmatthews3093]

It’s all very well testing longer gearing on flat straight roads on an unladen bike but you’re riding an Adventure Bike not a commuter. Add in a few hills and camping gear and how lively does it feel then?

[@bazz6670]

@davidmatthews3093 yes I understand that, he hasn't had the chance to try it out like that yet. Personally, I'm leaving my own bike with 15 front 47 rear, it goes along the hwy nice and is still good off road. I'm really looking forward to loading my bike up and going on a camping trip.

[@bartketelbuters542]

Some People would love this bike as a commuter. I would

[@michaelbanach9972]

Thanks for sharing. Curious myself. It would be nice if your shared helpful links in the description. Cheers

[@bazz6670]

@michaelbanach9972 Hey, thanks for the suggestion, I'll see if I can get some links from the owner. If it was my bike I would have done it, cheers.

[@josesantizo2305]

What sprockets these have from factory? 14/47?

[@bazz6670]

Correct.

[@GrimReaper333666]

Thank you for the video. I want to buy this bike and i was curious on how to drop the RPM since i will use it as a commuter

[@bazz6670]

@GrimReaper333666 glad the video helped, on my own bike I just changed front sprocket to 15 and pretty good all round gearing .

[@68chewy]

I will be wanting to use my 450MT in mountains and unpaved roads, so prabably going to leave sprockets where they are. Will be getting the seat and risers tho, I im 6'2". That wide footpeg looked interesting...

[@bazz6670]

Thanks for commenting. If that's the riding you are doing there is nothing wrong with the stock gearing. You will be better with risers and seat I find I get a sore hip from sitting low. The pegs are from alixpress I think but them ones are a bit of an angle so he is getting different ones. Look in the comments for ozmarineboy1090 . He owns the bike and may be able to assist better. Cheers.

[@adnansteady1259]

The 15 front will minus of around 500rpm.anytin above 120kph the rpm is still considered quite high for long touring to be honest.140 almost reaching redline.engine still smooth but the rpm is high.it has short gearing in the gearbox.maybe next i try to drop 1 teeth at thr rear.front stays 15. Good bike

[@scottastell9415]

Very interesting but what is it like off road with that lowered revs?

[@bazz6670]

@scottastell9415 I haven't ridden that bike off road as it doesn't belong to me, I just have the 15 tooth front sprocket on mine. 15 is good and still tractorable in second. I think off road I wouldn't go the 45 on rear.

[@johnnieuwenhuizen606]

Good homework, gearing looks good, what is the GPS on the bike please🙂

[@bazz6670]

@johnnieuwenhuizen606 Jason has one of those car play units. I didn't try it out, but he likes it.

[@captainonthebike209]

Hi, Bazz, from the comments below I learned that front 15T sprocket is the same as 450SR or NK, but what about the rear 45T? From which bike?

[@bazz6670]

@captainonthebike209 www.ebay.com.au/itm/315341907337?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=1TPBIWDKSMK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ntDQTIE3QZe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=FB_MSG This is what Jason used. Some people say you should use a 46 so the ling don't ride on the same teeth all the time.

[@captainonthebike209]

@@bazz6670 Thank you

[@EddyOtway]

I’m definitely going the higher seat but when standing I feel the bars need to go lower and forward a bit🤔

[@ozmarineboy1090]

i am getting offset bar risers for it now to move bars forward a bit instead of the standard ones in this video

[@markhills3922]

@@ozmarineboy1090 yeah i'll be doing the same; i'm 6'2" so i need the extra room; i'm thinking of getting some new lower bar mounts made up that spread the weight out more over the top clamp; to me, the standard 'risers' look spindly and very vulnerable for off-road duty; i'm still waiting for my 450MT to arrive but having sat on it, these were my initial thoughts.

[@bazz6670]

How tall are you, the seat is nice. I'm OK with the bars but standing, it will be better for me with risers.

[@EddyOtway]

@@bazz6670 I’m 180cm

[@bazz6670]

@@EddyOtway same as me

[@rdauto-moto]

Fantastic , where did you buy the 15 sprocket?

[@bazz6670]

I think he bought from ebay, that one was for a 450 nk.

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

Have you installed the 15T sprocket to your bike already? If so, how comfortable is it to ride at 120 km/h and at how many RPM gets there?

[@bazz6670]

@Al.j.Vasquez it sits at about 6500 at 120, 130 ks was 7000. It does hwy pretty good the motor is smooth but not a high speed bike.

[@beejoutbush3322]

Awesome mate. My set up for long hauls! Any word on the mileage with this set up?

[@ozmarineboy1090]

it is similar, around 4litres/100km. it's my bike

[@bazz6670]

Not sure yet

[@zularif6476]

Hi mate, do you have the sprocket code that u and ur friend use

[@corpse2222]

how much taller are the bar risers? And, did he have to get longer cables, or was there enough extra length to just throw on the bar risers?

[@ozmarineboy1090]

they are 1 inch risers from ebay. cables were fine, can tilt bars to suit if needed

[@corpse2222]

@@ozmarineboy1090 thanks so much! :)

[@FlatBrokeAdventures]

Thanks Baz I was wondering what the difference was

[@bazz6670]

Thanks for checking it out , it's good I got to try out gearing before buying myself more sprockets, we will try it off road soon.

[@FlatBrokeAdventures]

@@bazz6670 Let us know please as I'd be interested in getting mine done also

[@ΑλέξανδροςΑσπιώτης]

Do u have link for your GPS divice? I see a lot in aliexpress with carplay do u recoment eny one? Thank you in advance

[@bazz6670]

Car play looks good. I put the zumo on my own bike for the fact that quite often phone looses signal. I believe he got it from alixpress..

[@Jonathan-L]

Are the bar risers from CFMOTO or aftermarket? Price of the taller seat?

[@bazz6670]

@Jonathan-L I believe he used after-market risers. The seats from cfmoto are $200

[@Yannis-ky5si]

what about the petrol consumption with the 15 ?

[@bazz6670]

@@Yannis-ky5si I average around 4 ltr per 100 ks

[@aslaniepundato9092]

How's the fuel efficiency?

[@yuanviray1082]

Can you test the topspeed?

[@bazz6670]

@@yuanviray1082 I would if it was my bike,

[@17003719]

Would you recommend doing a 16T front?

[@bazz6670]

I'm not really sure about 16 on front, I have been told 1 tooth up at front equals 3 down on back so 16 would be a 41 on back . Need someone to try it.

[@ozmarineboy1090]

better to balance between front/rear. not sure how much free space to go up to a 16 either ?

[@ruigarcia4807]

Hi. In Portugal this youtuber put 16 on front. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppbHmYylfsZlfZYsi=CPBjEiViDJ3REPlt

[@markhills3922]

@@bazz6670that is correct Baz; 1 tooth down/up at front equals 3 teeth up/down at rear; this is the widely accepted general rule of thumb; as an ex racer i know this to be true; stock gearing on 450MT is 14/47 so 15/45 would be roughly same as 14/42; that's a big difference; i think i will leave 14 at countershaft and go to 44 at rear with chain adjusted for wheel all the way back so that for longer periods on the tar (say all day) maybe carry a 15T front that can be swapped over.

[@markhills3922]

@@ozmarineboy1090 absolutely need to keep balance between front and rear to avoid what they call 'chain snatch' as the suspension moves through its travel; it might be ok to go 16 (if there's space) on the front for a road bike but for a bike that is going to see dirt, rocks and mud, we need to keep space between the chain and the engine cases; built up mud/debris at the countershaft is bad for chain wear but a small misplaced rock can be all kinds of ride ending if it gets lodged between chain and cases; speaking of which, i don't like the look of the solid countershaft cover either.....i'll be drilling a few slots/holes in mine so that dirt/mud/rocks has somewhere to escape.

[@yrc4184]

Whats about acceleration after that change ? I bet its a bit slower ?

[@bazz6670]

It is a little bit less snappy but nothing to worry about, I think the benefits are worth it if you are doing long rides.

[@ElectricCarsMx]

And whats the top speed with those gears??

[@bazz6670]

@ElectricCarsMx I can't say as it's not my bike. With the 15 front I can do 150

[@kimjongthe4th543]

If you wanted to use a 16t sprocket on the front , would this be nice or no ?

[@bazz6670]

I haven't seen anyone try it yet, I wonder if it would put more strain on the output shaft. I think better to change rear. My friend has 15 front and 45 rear and chain didn't need to be changed.

[@davidjackson12]

Hey bro the 45 tooth on the back is Standard?

[@bazz6670]

@@davidjackson12 rear is 47 standard front 24

[@davidjackson12]

​@@bazz6670 Front 24? No way

[@lynx1850]

@@davidjackson12 14*

[@rdauto-moto]

Have u lost torque? 🤔 or u just shift down?

[@bazz6670]

@rdauto-moto yes you will loose a bit with this gearing, I think just 15 front is good.

[@rdauto-moto]

Thx

[@crj7218]

Una repro hace falta y 52cv, y un akraoivik mi like desde España 🇪🇦🇪🇦 esperando la mía

[@krazed0451]

What's the stock rear sprocket size?

[@bazz6670]

It has a 47 tooth

[@Ps-fd1gx]

What is the top speed with 15/45 sprockets?

[@chrishart8548]

Probably still 93mph Probably just bogs down in the higher gears now.

[@MudaholicJR]

What's the original sprocket?

[@ozmarineboy1090]

14t front, 47t rear

[@iliasch5203]

What about top speed?

[@ozmarineboy1090]

higher than before. i only took it to 7000rpm being a new bike not done 1st service yet, and it got over 130kmh easily before i backed off

[@iliasch5203]

@@ozmarineboy1090 we know stock top speed is 160 at speedo due to rev limiter. Adding one T at front gives a theoretical new top speed of 171. It would be interesting to see what the engine is capable of. Nice vid ;)

[@Nunyabiz71]

So which bike has the same rear sprocket? Ive been looking for a 45 rear but everyone says not available.

[@bazz6670]

The 450 sr or nk are the same. Look on ebay or rpm moto have them. There are heaps if you search on line.

[@ervinmadaras7124]

Test a top speed pls.

[@chrishart8548]

93mph at the red line

[@MalHanson]

Hi Baz, regarding the higher seat can you tell me your height? I'm 5'7"/170cm and have the standard seat. Do you think I'd still reach the ground? I've also done the 15T front sprocket (after watching your previous vid), and that alone makes the bike much more comfortable on the freeway.

[@bazz6670]

I'm 5,10 I can touch both feet but not flat footed, you can also lower bike at the bottom of rear shock.

[@MalHanson]

@@bazz6670 Thanks Baz, it sounds like the high seat isn't for me!

[@paulvandervyver4223]

Definitely needs a bigger screen

[@bazz6670]

It would be nice, I haven't put one on my own bike yet but will eventually.

[@LoudValves]

The cops just say that knowing that speedos read high...

[@bazz6670]

I know but still safer, I often go a bit over without realising.

[@custardcatcher5195]

@@bazz6670 will u do a petrol test soon?

[@markhills3922]

DEMAND to know what their radar is calibrated from; no calibration report, no fine; when we DEMAND (politely) to see the Cerification and Calibration report, they MUST show it; ta ta Mr Plod; Crime is out of control and they are still focusing on Extorting money from people just going about their day to day lives without harming anyone.

[@bazz6670]

​@custardcatcher5195 we can try but my bike has 15 front, Jason's bike has 15/ 45 so if we can get a ride together we will fill up same time.

[@peteraids7980]

Bazz ... How can you state its a great bike ..... when....... you have put so many extra mods thats different from the original ...... spockets , screen , seat , and other things ..... you haven't gave it a decent try .....

[@bazz6670]

This is a friend's bike. I was just trying his gearing. I have done plenty of riding on my own one. Mine doesn't have so many mods. But like any bike i have owned i mod to suit my needs just like everyone else, cheers.

[@phillipchandler8862]

Std gearing is off road biased.

[@bazz6670]

Yes it is very good off road,

[@thelonewolf666]

the phones gps isnt calibrated, they are always out

[@bazz6670]

Best to stick to the speedo on bike I guess. Gives you a few kmh safety.

[@thelonewolf666]

@@bazz6670 yep, looks like a good bike too