Every EMIYA From Weakest To Strongest

[@jayyang236]

They just need to give us a proper EMIYA storyline with his travels

[@danielmick5236]

So ...EMIYA route?

[@peanutsaber8837]

I want it in fgo as well. Partially because of fanfics where the characters in the type moon franchises find out the suffering they cause the poor man.

[@jk5820]

@@peanutsaber8837 recommend me some,i wanna read

[@subcommanderxelios800]

@@peanutsaber8837I’m actually glad there isn’t any EMIYA story, we all know everything about him, it’s ambiguous for a reason. He’s already super popular, everyone shits on Shirou and praises EMIYA for his edginess. What more does he need?

[@subcommanderxelios800]

@@andrew-rn9ui Won’t that just invalidate fate stay night since it may imply that Shirou will become a jaded counter guardian no matter what path he takes?

[@TheStuffEnjoyer]

We need more EMIYA Servants. I wanna see what stories of their lives each of their Reality Marbles has in stock to tell.

[@JohnWick-rh1zz]

or alter ego emiya, every emiya combined

[@michi6486]

i feel like eventually we get the guardian class in fgo since after beast they are starting to run out and then we get counter guardian emiya

[@mrlamb1257]

@@michi6486 that would be cool

[@ACagedBird364]

DEAR GOD NO THERES LIKE 4 ALREADY

[@TheStuffEnjoyer]

@@michi6486 Broooo! True and real. At this point...why not go all the way. They should add BOTH the Counter Guardian class AND the Grand class as playable units. Especially like you pointed out that we have a LITERAL summonable Beast class Servant without and literal Counter Guardian (or Grand Servant) class around to put her in check.

[@michi6486]

i always feel cheated when we get the next 5* star saber but no 5* Emiya. The closest we got was muramasa who is cracked and one of the most fun servants to use but my boi deserves some love in the game imo

[@taichiarasoi776]

well see that's the issue. he isn't a waifu and fate is all about waifu's and gil.

[@TaliZenAvi]

​@@taichiarasoi776He is mom. That's more than enough to give him credit

[@shinzou7838]

I feel that. Shirou emiya deserves a 5 star as he is such a interesting character with a lot of depth and overrall one of the few 10/10 characters

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Would admittedly be cool af if we got Wrought Iron Hero EMIYA

[@ThrowAway-ji1cf]

Gacha games are for stupid people to waste money on. So...

[@kazumakariama]

Tsiah lowkey the most underrated Fate guy. GIVE THIS MOFO DEM SUBS BOY

[@StayFrostyX279]

But he my primary fate guy!

[@kazumakariama]

@@StayFrostyX279 SAME

[@wanderingbufoon]

the thing about EMIYA is that if you give him enough time, he will replicate and counter anything he encounters. We can see this with Gilgamesh's exchanges during his Unlimited Blades Works. He pretty much can have unlimited Noble Phantasms much like Gilgamesh. As long as he can analyze it.

[@Maxawa0851]

He already has though

[@cheeseismyreligion4508]

I think UBW shirou goes above HF, because he contends with other servants with just his own human body and skill which is a feat in itself. Especially since he’s the only master to effectively fight a servant in all of stay night while remaining a normal human.

[@MNunezStorage]

Agree, also HF Shirou is unable to summon UBW which is a lot stronger than the 9 lives he used in HF route

[@L0L246]

​@@MNunezStorage tbf ubw shirou cant use a reality marble, he dosent have enough od

[@hayond656]

​@@L0L246 od?

[@L0L246]

​@@hayond656internal mana, its different than the mana if the world and they mix both for spells

[@hayond656]

@@L0L246 so is UBW Shirou's Mana donation from Rin that kind of mana?

[@Dokutah_Kow]

My man just keeps feeding us more Shirou content. 🔥

[@daniellol9732]

OMG MORE EMIYA

[@lordblackstar944]

Hell yeah

[@daniellol9732]

Hell yea

[@Dr.shallot1189]

HeLL YEAH

[@jaysonjerry549]

Hell yeah🔥🗣️

[@iamthestormthatisapproaching69]

Emiya day temporary. Emiya month CONTINUES

[@pandoraspixel3367]

The one thing about emiya is thats especially impressive about him is his skill. Bro can keep up with servants leagues above him and through skill, Luck and strategy he could even beat some of them

[@andreluismartin2231]

Emiya as no Lucky at all.

[@drfeelshattan]

e rank emiya, famously lucky lmao

[@Magenta.000]

There needs to be a Coucil of Emiyas Archer Emiya as He who remains lol

[@GreyCentaurus]

Cu has two noble phantasm with his spear, one that reverse casualty with a thrust and a barrage of spears. The one he used against Emyia is the barrage, which doesn't have the reverse causality effect. Or am I missing something?

[@morsayxd4441]

nah you right

[@markedelylumbao1609]

Still seeks the heart. Edit: I think?

[@lopezroilans.8384]

To be fair, Both of the Gae Bolg use has "Sure hit" on it. The Thrust with the Heart aimbot(which is the reverse causality), and the Throw which is just a Homing Ballistic Missile(the throw is an anti-army NP). Both of them don't stop until they hit the target, so its either you block it or you die.

[@GreyCentaurus]

Only the heart piercing keeps on chasing the target, don't think the barrage has the ability to chase down a target

[@HELLISH43]

Why they have name him Cu lmao 😭 Cu literally means butthole in portuguese 😂

[@individualywrappedcheeseslices]

The irony of this character being like the only solid anime meme of my generation just to later become one of the most consistent aspects of fate writing is just delicious. Ufotable took him to another level. Now I watch Apocrypha or Grand Order just to die a little inside watching these cardboard cutouts. Long live shiro. People die when they get killed indeed.

[@brunosteil8070]

Shirou's best portraite is in the VN, if you don't read it, you lose, like, 90% of the character characterists because of monologue and thoughts So, no, ufotable do not took him to another level, in reality is the opposite A example is the Kotomine and Shirou final fight in HF, ufotable make a very poor adaptation of that part (Sorry if i messed up my text, english is not my primary language)

[@chrisjulien7698]

Christ bless you, bro is on the grind thanks for all this Fate content

[@jacobjensen7704]

I’m not sure the people you put ahead of Muramasa do anything that’s more impressive than being able to slice through concepts themselves.

[@chadachi3970]

Muramasa himself is just a skilled blacksmith, most of his combat prowess comes from a Shirou who isn’t at his own peaks yet. He was also massively buffed when summoned by the Alien God and when isn’t loses his God Slayer skill. It mainly just comes down to him being stated over and over to not be a skilled fighter and Shirou’s influence/compatibility being the only thing keeping him from being a bottom tier heroic spirit, as he normally shouldn’t even classify as one to being with.

[@6thHeavenOfDesire]

@@SirJLord that sword was made by him 💀 it is a fake divine construct made by him in his attempt to recreate the original divine blade kusanagi

[@misteris2385]

@@6thHeavenOfDesire Fake? How? Are you suggesting that every clothes we wear are fakes as they're a recreation of the very first clothes that were ever made?

[@jacobjensen7704]

@@chadachi3970 I mean, we’re literally comparing Shirou’s here. So take Shirou, add on the skills to create a crazy super overpowered weapon….. that sounds stronger than anyone else on this list?

[@chadachi3970]

@@jacobjensen7704 We don't know which Shirou is the host, so depending on that alone can say a lot. If it's Fate route Shirou then his skill level is the lowest, if it's Prylla Shirou then it's at his highest, more than likely it's neither and it's another alternate timeline that we don't know anything about. Muramasa himself has no skill in fighting, he has to take the knowledge of what Shirou is giving him and that alone isn't enough to carry him. His best ability is the fact Shirou's Projection is perfect for a blacksmith, so he can just make a bunch of cheap swords to throw at the enemy and use a big one when needed. Yes he can reconstruct divine constructs but the only one worth mentioning is when he did it as Alter Ego in LB6, which is not the same Muramasa. He also doesn't have any crazy skills, God Killer is exclusive to Alter Ego and the rest of his skills are more flavor than anything else. The only one worth mentioning is Tameshi-Mono B+ which lets him bring the full power of a blade out but at the cost of destroying it at the same time. Alter Ego also doesn't count as Muramasa because we don't summon him, if we counted the juiced up Alter Ego version then yeah he'd probably be higher, still below Nameless but higher. Compared to Nameless, he's nothing. Nameless can do everything that Muramasa can while being juiced up on the Moon Cell, he can recreate Divine Constructs with permission alone and still bring out nearly all of it's power. Nameless has been shown to casually use Excalibur with the small beam blasts and generally speaking anything that Archer has been shown to do Nameless just does it better. He can jump timelines, fight (base) Gilgamesh to a draw, casually use divine construct recreations and took down Kiara at her peak with the special Mystic Code, he's just built different and no other Shirou comes close.

[@chaosspear0195]

You and Otakudai are just my favorite Fate KZbin content. Keep up the good work man love you’re vids.

[@TsiahIV]

thank you! dropping today too pull up

[@welllehis7518]

More emiya content my beloved

[@Astin-D]

The strongest Emiya is clearly one of the fanfic Emiya lol

[@demod2080]

Again, would like to ask you to do a video on Norse Gods being used as Heroic Spirits/Servants and if they're already a thing, if you can cover them, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[@laky528]

Emiya november is real

[@necoacr4050]

I love emiya

[@adraxer1365]

3:45 I Agree, HF shirou could be on top of UBW, but he has the Debuff of you know... F*CKING DYING

[@romannoodles5213]

I have a lvl 120, NP5, Max Skills, Max Fou Muramasa on FGO and I have a little nendoroid of him, he's pretty cool I guess.

[@cjytp]

Emiya Shirou (UBW) Emiya Shirou (Heaven's feel) Emiya Shirou (Fate/Realta Nua) Emiya Shirou (Illyaverse) Emiya Shirou (Miyuverse) EMIYA Nameless EMIYA alter Senji Muramasa Is there any more Shirouface/EMIYAface I should know about? Blackened EMIYA: Hi Angra Mainyu: I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm just looking for the grail Gohan Shirou: Is anyone hungry? Amakusa Shirou: Wait, you got the wrong person- Shirou Kotomine: Am I even canon? Mr. Shirou: Oi oi. What the hell!? I'm just selling arts!

[@kojigoat]

Archer?

[@CjDagoat-jb2el]

@@kojigoatemiya is archer just like nameless is archer

[@krayth86]

Amakusa Shirou (Apocrypha)?

[@averagejpopenjoyer3017]

​@@krayth86Amakusa's existence is a historical fact. Shirou Emiya is an original and fictional character inside Fateverse.

[@krayth86]

@@averagejpopenjoyer3017 still a "Shirouface/Emiyaface", like Saberface and Rinface

[@Aesc_the_voyager]

Not involved with the video but it’s something Ive been thinking about what do you guys think would happen if 2 reality marbles clashed like a domain expansion would both affect be there or would one overwhelm the other like what if iskandar’s reality marble vs emiya’s reality marble where to clash would would it be a combined version of both or would one win over the other

[@13soulsundone96]

As far as I know the only example we've seen is shitou vs emiya. Where it was half emiyas and half shirous. But being that they are the same person it could be a unique situation lol.

[@toxicmatt5188]

maybe they clash and end up both being turned off cause yk,gaia is constantly trying to get rid of reality marbles and assuming two reality marbles clash they'd probably weaken each other making it easier for gaia to dissipate them,pure speculation though

[@13soulsundone96]

@@toxicmatt5188 that's actually a really good point.

[@gravityhero2227]

I've always beleived that it could be possible but i have to wonder if BB could actualy become a beast of humanity?

[@f.ggaming8206]

If you’re mad about Emiya Assassin not getting any attention read From Fake Dreams. A slightly different version of him is summoned as assassin and absolutely wrecks ass, in a way that doesn’t make him overpowered. It’s one of my favourite fanfics

[@IlyasSyaihan]

Where do i even read it?

[@kouyang3375]

still waiting for Miyu Shirou in FGO Remember he's Satan of course he strong.

[@TsiahIV]

shouldve been came out + a new kaleid event tbh

[@otakupobre9311]

Emiya archer who is Satan, he has already been referred to as that in his own work, and has already become a famous meme

[@subcommanderxelios800]

@@TsiahIVPersonally I’d rather have a fsn inspired Shirou that became an actual hero of justice. Miyuverse Shirou abounded his dream, he’s not even from fsn or remember other characters other than Miyu. Also, Miyuverse Shirou hates the hero of justice dream, so he’ll just act like Archer.

[@TsiahIV]

@subcommanderxelios800 I promise you we don't care

[@subcommanderxelios800]

@@TsiahIV perfect, now I don’t have to worry about people chastising me about preferring one Shirou over another.

[@LOCALTAHOENJOYER]

*I LOVE SWORDS SO MUCH* 🔥🔥⚔️🗡️⚔️🔥🔥

[@deathoftheoldme8645]

MORE EMIYA UGHHHHHH🤤

[@astrsychev9333]

When you summon literall half-god in the Grail War and think that you have already won - remember that there is always this one mf who will just remember his father telling him "Son, always remember - dying is gay" and tell himself "nah, i'd win" then proceed to solo the entire war.

[@philbuttler3427]

I really want Avenger Emiya. There hss to be a timeline where he crashed out in a totally different way than Emiya Alter and I wanna see it.

[@deathgod097]

i want to see a version of EMIYA where he had a happy ending or something like that

[@CjDagoat-jb2el]

Never gonna happen

[@CjDagoat-jb2el]

Basically every shirou had a good ending but emiya

[@jorienwachukwu466]

Realta Nua Shirou had a happy ending. He got to be with Saber in Avalon.

[@Purple_Sister]

Oath under snow/miyuverse emiya had potential to be the strongest imo, if he got kiritsugu's family crest and got his time magic combined with the support of the holy grail (miyu) he would be able to preform some insane feats. Kuro managed to project a seemingly wellmade excalibur and Miyuverse emiya notably already projected 2 divine constructs, Ig-alima and Sul-sagana so there's no saying he can't also project excalibur while being assisted by Miyu

[@jorienwachukwu466]

From Fake Dreams Shirou is basically Miyuverse Shirou with everything you described.

[@johnathanmartinez6823]

Always love more Shirou content, that's my dawg🤞 But Tsiah can you elaborate or make a video explaining how base EMIYA is stronger than Muramasa? I'm just curious because I feel Muramasa has greater feats than Emiya.

[@aaravgaur7]

It mostly just comes from the fact imo(and I'm surprised he didn't bring this up) that most of Muramasa's feats come from when he was being buffed by the foreign god, and had like two extra divinities in him, we really only have one feat for Base Muramasa. I do agree that LB Muramasa is probably stronger than Emiya tho. With the only caviat being that we know that Base Nameless is only slightly stronger than Base Emiya, and Base Nameless pulls off some utterly insane feats(like beating top tier servants without the canonical use of his NP).

[@ボーイアニメファン]

As The Guy above me Said that Muramasas(Alter Ego) Feats Greatly come from Him being in Shirous Body and getting Buffed from Foreign God and his Passive God Slayer makes it better for him, But Emiya Even Without Any of that is Much Better and Skilled Fighter and their stats are pretty much Even. It completely comes Down to Their NP While Muramasa is Much more destructive Emiya is Much More Versitile. But The Base Muramasa Cant Really do much against Emiya. Nameless on the otherhand is whole different Monster because of Rules of Mooncell he is basically Emiya but with Less Restrictions(Like Any other Servant in MoonCell) Because Mooncell can restore the world countless Times after the battle between Servants, Emiya Cannonically Defeated Top Tier Servant With Relatively Ease without Even Using his NP(Yes His Feats are much more Insane)

[@kaiber0390]

​​​@@aaravgaur7I mean if he's gonna talk about LB muramasa in Fae Brittain then I don't see why he shouldn't rank him as the foreign god disciple. I also want to point out we're not talking about Muramasa the swordsmith, we're talking about Muramasa, the guy inside Shirous body, which is literally why he's on the list so we should treat him as such. The argument "he was just a swordsmith" gets thrown out because of his special circumstances. I'm not saying he's stronger than nameless but he's for sure stronger than Oath under snow shirou.

[@volcanicz6739]

Ngl I think UBW Shirou and HF Shirou are kind of interchangeable depending on the circumstances. HF Shirou is very strong sure but he's a machine that could overheat at any time, all UBW Emiya needs to do is bladespam until HF Shirou stops functioning. Meanwhile UBW Shirou is far more consistent but he doesn't posses the burst strength that HF Shirou has Also cmiiw but wasn't the herc that Shirou defeated a nerfed version? Iirc that herc lost the ability to be immune to what killed him before, that's why 9NBW worked on him

[@r.k845]

Actually while VN readers would probably say he is, in reality, we know next to nothing about alter Hercules. The only thing we know is that his blind and has lost all reason. However the novel actually states he still has 10 lives remaining.

[@Shadow-id8sy]

i wana see a version of UBW shiro fully realised as a servent independent of archer Emyia

[@andzzlover4282]

9 lives blade works is one of my favorite scenes

[@ImGarForShirou]

Pls do more true potential shirou video

[@thenobody7509]

I'd really like to see the berserker version of emiya. Because, we know shirou/emiya can be summoned as berserker we just haven't seen him yet. Now as for how that would happen. I've thrown around the idea that a berserker emiya is simply an emiya that was driven insane by his trauma from the fire. Perhaps abandoning his hero ideology and simply wants to wreck things

[@CjDagoat-jb2el]

I seen a damn bear emiya shirou😭😂

[@nilodelmundo]

I think the best a beserker shirou would be "mind of steel" With low madness enhancement just because of the concept that his a beserker because he lost who he really is

[@uriel005]

hmmm what about realta nua extra ending... its the shirou who actually wins against fate and gets to avalon to be with Arturia.... so he beats everything Alaya can throw at him to force him into being a counterguardian.

[@stephenenetama8335]

Thanks!

[@GeaForce]

I like the way you say yubedah

[@mrdogeguy7299]

Day 2 of asking for a don't sleep on video for Manaka Sajyou

[@capitaozeldris]

Alter Emiya is just pure black air force energy

[@weirdowitheyes7910]

will you make Tsukihime Videos when the remake comes out in NA ?

[@zero-one2585]

The autogenerated chapters *"Shuro"* *"Emia"*

[@HAXKSA14]

I feel like you already made this video before, or else I’m tripping

[@HECATESHINO-yc9kf]

I think Emiya UBW Rin Route is stronger than Emiya UBW Sakura Route. Why? Emiya on Sakura route receives such a backlash just from using Archer's Arm. Even if it is indeed pure powerfull, its a One shot but not sure Hit. Emiya UBW Rin Route still has better Verstility and is still an Emiya.

[@sky-tv8hh]

what about prisma illya shirou

[@Red-lw7xc]

If I don’t see shirou in this video I’m gonna start tweaking tsiah

[@rahterminator1596]

I have a question. What would happen if Miyuverse Shirou actually merge with his Nameless Counterpart instead of EMIYA.

[@barryterry6579]

I want shirou that went out to become a hero

[@ShadowNite-nq3gu]

This is completely insane this basically proves the Emiya Shirou has potential to become one of the strongest characters😮😮

[@GFerros]

I do wonder where El-Melloi's Adventures Shirou would place with some of the stupid statements made about his powers.

[@9LiveEmpire]

wich EMIYA is the best cook?

[@farzbz987]

Surprised no Illyaverse Shero mentioned. He's just sitting there in the house with his beloved little sis. And no Miyuverse Shero. I'd say he's a little bit weaker than Shero that defeats Gil. But considering he didn't meet any EMIYAs (except if Kuro counts as one, and he already awaken his power before Miyu got trafficked to Illyaverse) he might be stronger than I think.

[@Unid-Arc]

Can you tell me what are incarnations exactly? And what Incarnations are known. Also, one could use an Incarnation as a Catalyzer? Without being the master? Alive or dead

[@Jordan-ud4qv]

Incarnations are someone who has an origin and element that are aligned. E.g Shirou is sword which is representative of him basically being a living (or incarnated) sword. It’s not an item. Its a person’s state of being

[@michaelgillespie9112]

I dont know of any incarnations out side of Shirou, but basically, and incarnation is someone who's 'Element', and 'Origin' are the same. Someone's Element basically influences the type of magic their best suited towards, for instance, Rin was what is know as an 'Average One's, basically meaning she has a natural affinity towards all the basic elements, like Fire, I think Wind, Etc. Someone's Origin, is basically thee core of their existence on a conceptual, basically an ultimate representation of them. It can even influence their fate, for instance, Kiritsugu' Origin is Binding and Severing, and he constantly is binded to others, then severed that connection. Shirou is due to having Sword as both his Element and Origin, is basically hyper specialized in what he can do, making him insanely good in the specific thing he's talented in, and awful in pretty much everything else. In certain circumstances, Shirou's body even started turning into a walking mass of swords.

[@Jordan-ud4qv]

@@michaelgillespie9112 Sakura was an incarnation of “imaginary numbers” before Zouken’s experimentation. She uses it as dark Sakura throughout Heaven’s feel

[@michaelgillespie9112]

@@Jordan-ud4qv Oh, thanks.

[@Ultimate0Phantasm]

@@Jordan-ud4qv The way you explained Incarnation is not true I bet you got that from a fanfic. Incarnation is when a spiritual beings like a servant obtaining a physical body through magical process like how Gil got Incarnate by the grail.

[@duk5205]

sword cultivator EMIYA

[@BurpBukowskiHearn]

I need a (Kiritsugu Emiya) Alter ego class servant i don't care if it is another historical character with Kiritsugu's face and voice

[@NeutralZero00]

Hmmm... The thing with muramasa is that Shimosa muramasa is not the same with LB muramasa. Lb muramasa is more broken and a bonafide god killer. In terms of strength, gods might be equal if not stronger than a beast. While He did get wreck by melu during their fight, against morgan's duplicate that is as strong as d orig, his fight is pretty much a 1 v 6 with morgan contemplating in sending 2 more. Also, most of the servants powered by the counterforce in atlantis were defeated by him and rasputin. So strength wise, shimosa muramasa might be weaker than counterforce fueled emiya but lb muramasa is stronger than counterforced fueled emiya.

[@masondyer7604]

would you consider a cross universe fight discussion? JJK is fantastic and i see elements from fate present, and even elements of Emiya in the main character Yuji. How do you think Emiya would fair against Sukuna?

[@CjDagoat-jb2el]

Low diff-mid diff

[@Tensai.]

great vid

[@Talion-Von-Montgelas]

Ya know, I wanna see some Sion stuff and idk why…

[@paapaaa6486]

I’m always iffy about Gil vs Emiya only because I feel like UBW being faster than Babylon is lowkey Fate trying to give Emiya a reason to why he beat Gil but than again i’m baised AF to Gil

[@otakunemesis34]

Attempt 60 of me asking you to do a video on white wolf's world of darkness

[@Inkrack]

Can the Servants and Masters in the 5th Holy Grail War survive SCP-001 "When Day Breaks"? (This is potentially fanfic material, I've already thought a name about it: Fate/Daybreak)

[@spadetheghost]

Hmm.. Not sure where all these are from? I'll only seen this character in Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works. Which other shows is he in??

[@eve_ign]

Yuta is the best Emiya

[@HotCocoa1sNice]

should we expect a Gil version of this?

[@narusas1222]

Oath under snow and Heaven's Feel Shirou are my favorite because they choose the selfish path.

[@Sleepyduo38]

Unlimited EMIYA Works please.

[@jordanholloman5907]

What about every version of Shirou? I'm curious how the one from Apocrypha holds up compared to the others.

[@TsiahIV]

im good

[@flamerod5570]

I need a show about counter guardian emiya

[@thewhyzer]

Isn't the weakest the Illyaverse Shirou? Just a regular guy, no magic AFAIK.

[@audhadiachmesa7428]

There is no Kaleid Ilya EMIYA :(

[@abhinandannandan3863]

Please more Shiro

[@mythicsnap594]

Yo yo 3 min part assembl

[@chico1786]

Give us happy ending for Shirou, pls.

[@duskgs]

The likes is at 670k for me I’m confused it just came out 690k now

[@goddessrhongomyniad]

78 for me 😂

[@NatsuDragneel324]

Where would true potential shirou be on this list?

[@easylove0404]

I need story about him how he become

[@donimmortal7692]

We all know the weakest is the NA EMIYA Alter.

[@ThatBlack7.5]

It's been a minute

[@abrahamwalker3347]

I’m so confused

[@jonnsmith1]

New video I am here

[@salinanordinstudio5570]

Cuu next

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Shiro is the best

[@joebyne6061]

Where is miyuverse shirou

[@TsiahIV]

idk

[@joebyne6061]

I see

[@mihai000000]

strongest emiya is undoubtedly the one from fate. He can project avalon. Any other version of himself can't do jack shit vs avalon. Plain and simple.

[@Fouzikilua]

Wrong All versions can summon avalon Because it was with them there entire life But the reasons other don't is because it's kinda mid without saber

[@mihai000000]

@@Fouzikilua they can't tho ,since all other versions of emiya aren't even aware they have avalon in them.

[@Fouzikilua]

@mihai000000 illogical Archer knows it he said it when him and shirou were fighting Ubw shirou also knows it from Archer Hv shirou didn't figure it out. However, he can project it just as good as the others with Archer arm Miyu verse shirou is probably the only one that is totally unaware about it, and unlike the others, he didn't have saber as a servant, and the copy that he will make won't be as good as the others

[@mihai000000]

@@Fouzikilua why would shirou know it from archer ? Archer says that to himself , rather then saying it out loud. And archer knows it , because he's from a timeline similar to the fate route. The only version of shirou who can canonically project avalon is fate shirou

[@Fouzikilua]

@mihai000000 you are being difficult on purpose Do you think that they won't figure it out Also, their magic is all the same they will project avalon it's not that hard for them Do you know why shirou was even to project it ? It's because it's been in his body his whole life Hate to break it to you, but fsn shirou is not special Also, fact-check your info. AVALON is considered hella mid without saber around Also, ubw shirou probably figured it out Shirou is stubborn, but he ain't stupid He got sttabed through the guts and his leg, and he healed out of nowhere Do you honestly think he will just Accept it and never questioned it?

[@TheMoltrezz]

I think shirou from illya kaleid version is stongest

[@daasrayan533]

The strongest emiya in my opinion is the one from fate/ apocrypha

[@6thHeavenOfDesire]

i feel like muramasa should have gotten second strongest

[@murilopenagoncalves3831]

I don't even consider him an 'Emiya'.

[@6thHeavenOfDesire]

@@murilopenagoncalves3831 i know but i do think he is stronger than everyone before extra emiya

[@murilopenagoncalves3831]

@@6thHeavenOfDesire Yeah, that's true. Guy was a nightmare in FGO, but I won't say he wasn't strong.

[@tavoa952]

​@@6thHeavenOfDesireexcept for tsukumari, he weaker than emiya archer in every aspect( the saber muramasa, not alter ego)

[@averagejpopenjoyer3017]

Saber Muramasa is definitely weaker than any version of Archer Emiya. Alter Ego Muramasa is so unfair since his saint graph was modified.

[@Finalslashes]

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[@TempleMadeSimple]

Base for archer is not stronger than ubw

[@Fouzikilua]

He is what are you on about? Do you really think shirou can beat archer?

[@TempleMadeSimple]

@@Fouzikilua … no I’m saying base Shiro is not stronger than UBW Shiro

[@Fouzikilua]

@TempleMadeSimple yeah duh He also said it He ranked fsn shirou as the weakest The list is good. The only thing I disagree with is that hv shirou is above ubw Hv shirou has more brute strength with archer arm But ubw shirou more consistent

[@Fouzikilua]

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[@TempleMadeSimple]

@@Fouzikilua hmmm idk man, UBW needs mana to pull that stuff out. Also he still has Avalon inside (Toshaka and Saber are needed. HF Shiro doesn’t need anyone. Can you imagine UBW Shiro vs Heralcles? Shiro would be decimated.

[@Drahcoul]

so in a real scaling dose he scale over gil, saber and other servents

[@hijackingcat42069]

What is with the shirou kotomine from apocryphia, is he not considered an emiya

[@Ainz-ld2ok]

My guy, Shirou Kotomine is not Shirou, he is just a historical figure sharing Shirou's name, his full name ie Shirou Tokisada Amakusa

[@hijackingcat42069]

@@Ainz-ld2ok i didn't know, that's why I asked, but thanks

[@drekvarke]

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