Spezza moves on | OverDrive - May 19th 2023 - Part 2

Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined by TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson and they debate whether Kyle Dubas overplayed his hand. They also discuss potential new General Manager the Maple Leafs could hire. The hour ends with breaking news that Jason Spezza will also be leaving his role with the team.

[@bingbong586]

44:35 they actually start talking about the spezza like their title sais.

[@IamBigManTyrone]

Thanks I’m like 30 minutes in and I’m thinking OK when are they gonna talk about Spezza they were talking about baseball to start the start off.

[@AustonMatthews_GOAT]

I love you. You just saved me 44 minutes of my time. I literaly listend to 4 seconds of that video instead of listining to 44:54 minutes.

[@bingbong586]

@CSM--df9vi yeah it's annoying af, I try and not watch their videos but wanted to hear talk about spezza.

[@ebrietasbiscuit]

Some hero’s don’t wear capes. They type KZbin minutes

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

Thanx man👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@bobbygoodman2875]

Spez is not a ShanaPLAN fanboy. Good on him!!!

[@ronbonora7872]

bye Spez!

[@bajjanitor]

The caller at 9 minutes in didn't get the timeline straight. Everything was not fine when Shanahan and Dubas spoke on Wednesday/Thursday. Shanahan said he left the conversation with more questions than answers, no indication that the big question: "are you all-in?" was answered.

[@JohnSmith-ip4js]

These guys didn't listen to what Shanahan said. He said after Dubas' press conference Monday he had a dramatic change in thinking. Then after his meeting with Dubas Wednesday, more doubts. Then after the email from Dubas Thursday, that was it. Shanahan barely mentioned the financial gap on the periphery. The financial gap in the ask was completely secondary and ultimately not addressed because the commitment factor was the issue. The email was the final nail in the coffin. I think he was insulted that Dubas didn't speak to him and/or it was a half hearted agreement to come back. Shanahan also was pretty specific about face to face meetings with Dubas including the decision not to rehire so that email definitely rubbed him the wrong way.

[@Rick-C-117]

Shanahan over explained. When a guy is lying he tends to over explain. I detect 100% bulls$&@.

[@boogyjuggy]

sounds about right....

[@bajjanitor]

​@@Rick-C-117 Even if that's the case they should be able to understand what Shanahan said. It wasn't a long press conference or a complicated timeline. What detail do you think was overexplained and something he lied about?

[@MisterMister5893]

I don't know what you do professionally "John Smith" but every one of these guys, Hayes notwithstanding, has been in situations where they had to face the same negotiations. I'll go on their word rather than some "John Smith"l.

[@MisterMister5893]

@@Rick-C-117 Whatever dude. He lied? On a public platform opening himself and the organization to libel?

[@UtilitiesINC]

Front office has been a rotating door since Shanahan took over. Maybe the problem starts with him.

[@matthewalbin50]

Its been 5 years with Dubas as GM. That is far from a revolving door

[@ardenherman4176]

Leafs are going to go another 58 years without getting close to a stanley cup.😅😅

[@brucekellam5203]

When are you going to start talking about the core 5 with Rielly as a member instead of always talking about the core 4?? Morgan Rielly has been a core member of this team for as long as any of the others!

[@robertstacey63]

Dubus needs to speak, what does he have to lose. This will help with new employment.

[@raymondarcher4816]

Shanahan has just proven that he needs to go. Why would he even have considered giving Dubas an extension after the last 5 years of poor playoff performance. How many coaches and gm’s need to be fired before Shanahan is fired. The Shanaplan isn’t working! It’s time to move on from him and bring in someone who knows what their doing.

[@bajjanitor]

Which GM should he have signed instead? All the people I hear give opinions rate Dubas as a well above average GM.

[@randylavoy6196]

The new G.M. will hire His own COACH !! KEEFE is as good as gone...!! It's a wake up call ...losing has consequences !!! 😮

[@xtrickster6556]

I hope they go for Hunter for GM

[@rickymartin875]

Former Habs player as Leafs GM. Perfect! 😁

[@steph1433]

Definitely

[@steph1433]

What about Patrick Roy 😮

[@rickymartin875]

@@steph1433 Watched him last night as his Rempart failed to close their series against Halifax. I don’t see Patrick coaching any team outside of La Belle Province!

[@steph1433]

Probably right

[@CJ-oj8om]

Good god, shanny could have been on the edge about Kyle before. Calm down

[@goodflop255]

Shanahan and the Shanaplan both big failures. He should walk the plank next.

[@ronbonora7872]

the coach is next to walk the plank!

[@darkwillis416]

The 11 years between Pat Quinn and Shanny as president ofthe Leafs, the team made the playoffs twice. Twice in in 11 years. Shanny created a new culture in the Leafs and turned them into a consistant playoff team. Failure is the Burke years with zero playoff appearances. The Ballard years when winning was not a priority were failures. Dubas' problem was he never signed or drafted an exceptional goaltender. You cant win a cup without a stud goalie or a stud Dman.

[@goodflop255]

@@darkwillis416 Ten years, one playoff round. Same thing every year, good regular season, nothing in the playoffs. The way they lost against Florida was embarrassing. Mathews must have been injured as he wasn't himself at all. The rest of the team had no urgency, no drive, went through the motions. Still Shanny was going to resign Dubas. The team has been and still is too soft to win in the post season. Need to clean house completely.

[@darkwillis416]

@@goodflop255 clean house completely and replace with whom? Brad Treliving? What a joke. Ive lived tbrough some terrible upper management on this team and other than the couple of years of cliff fletcher and the gilmour era, this has been the best leaf teams in the modern era. Dubas' only fault is his loyalty to his staff. Keefe is a decent regular season coach but doesnt have the playoff experience to lead a team to the cup. Maurice out coached him in the 2nd round. Keefe should have had an answer to their forecheck in Game2. As it was, his answer came in Game 3 when the leafs were all over them in the first 10 mins of the 1st period. When Maurice adjusted to their changes, Florida once again stifled the Leafs attack and Keefe had no answer. This Leafs were the better team in the 2nd round. Maurice was just a better coach and tactician.

[@samcareri]

why you need a stupid agent should work out a deal without an agent

[@chappiescollectables]

If only stevie Y went to toronto instead of the poor man's version which is shanaplan

[@bradsandel9050]

The way I look at it the seed of doubt was planted Monday and blossomed Thursday. Brendan also did something that the should have done during the core’s initial negotiation. It’s not about how much money it’s how bad did he want to stay. Not bad enough and I hope it sets the tone for the core 3 to take notice.

[@KA-gy3lz]

Core 3? Lmao

[@steve15h]

@@KA-gy3lz hilarious

[@joeidaho5938]

This looks really bad for the Leafs...with Jason Spezza leaving now also. Lots of integrity down the drain there.

[@cjmllvv]

Spezza just wants to follow kyle to his next job. They're pals. Doesnt want to be here see ya later

[@independentmind7782]

Spezza with a death grip on Kyle’s coattails

[@thecastingdeck8148]

Meh.....he didn't add much.

[@slothkng]

@@cjmllvv he's a special assistant (whatever that even is) not shocking he's not here if Kyle isn't

[@cjmllvv]

@ZZCossack ZZ reply me if he doesn't have a job in a year and I'll give you big props

[@rapideye85]

Kyle Dubas did not play his hand appropriately. Where else is he going to make money as he did being the general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs? Dubas also should not have been as candid as he was during his last presser. He was way too emotional.

[@ardenherman4176]

Dubas made mistake of not getting enough grit and more speed. Tavares is too slow for an eleven million dollar centre. Need more desire upfront.

[@renniepasinato1541]

Spezza I dont know wht the hell he did wht was his job etc.Just to sit beside dubis in the box.

[@ronbonora7872]

and always look straight a head when the cameras were on the two! LOL

[@jesskoffman4930]

It was the failure that ended Dubas' tenure because the failure was the reason for the presser & contract changes that ended it.

[@annieclifford9337]

Kyle Dubas Gone Leafs a Better Team period

[@jongeo]

Spezza should be head coach

[@jongeo]

@@tml184 You think players don't know anything about coaching? Who do you think they work with all day? I could do my boss's job no problem.

[@viperswhip]

I did a quick bit of little math for a 12 million player (15% agent fee, 48% income tax) and you end up with 5.3 on 12, 4.3 on a 9 million. Which would you rather have, 9 and another good player on your team for 1 million of your own money, or be a selfish asshole and never win a Stanley Cup.

[@davideaston6944]

Move The Toronna Maple Leaves to Houston, and stop with the Arizona speculation. Then The Coyotes can move on to Hawaii, and become The Honolulu Pineapples. Between the Ottawa mess and this one, Ontario doesn't deserve all the madness. Give it a break, and let them have some peace, INCLUDING moving the Sens new building across the river to Gatineau! Then the province can concentrate on getting back to crushing peaceful protests.

[@joseduarte1139]

Dubass already was talking to Pittsburgh before he talked to shanahan he just tested shanahan to see what he could get😊

[@joseduarte1139]

Mind games

[@nolankuffner3573]

The Jays are actually still a top 10 teams. But just 5th in their division 🤣🙃 Hilariously, they could easily make the playoffs in any other division.

[@timcorner2821]

I think it was more than just money, they likely told Dubas, you must get rid of Keefe and two of the core four, if you come back. Kyle probably overplayed his negotiating position as well.

[@MisterMister5893]

OMG the tiktok song in the intro. These guys are both cringe and woke. No, they're just cringe. STOP IT!

[@v1llian30]

He probably asked for agency.. to get Shanny out of his hair and let him make his own calls. LOL.

[@brokenbatz]

Spezza and Dubas must have had some relationship for him to turn his back on his hometown team

[@Landis_Grant]

Spezza will be Dubas’s assistant GM in Pittsburgh!

[@snoweegaming]

You guys got what you wanted! Blow it up! I hope ya'll happy now!

[@boogyjuggy]

lolllllllllllll

[@snoweegaming]

@@boogyjuggy Kaboooooom！

[@cludecat7072]

i didn't want it...

[@zachweeks299]

Chuck Fletcher is available. 😂

[@darrenmccarthy3346]

Jason Spezza was a virtue signal hire. It was done for loyalty reasons, he’s not a great hockey mind.

[@savethisforlater]

Based on what? His 20 years in the league says otherwise. And he's been well known, since he was in his early years in Ottawa was a "student of the game" with a great hockey IQ.

[@darrenmccarthy3346]

@@savethisforlater , a student of the game doesn’t necessarily translate into Stanley Cup success. Just ask Kyle Dubass.

[@robmiller194]

Did he just let a ripper go?

[@lucianonotte1444]

The best thing for a leaf player is to get traded

[@kidcanuck6031]

Leafs didn't offer Dubas an extension last year so Dubas knew it was time to secretly look for a new job. In Dubas' mind he had to win the cup or he was gonzo. So clearly he has an offer from elsewhere. In his Monday interview Dubas said everyone can make their decision. Dubas knew he was submitting a counter offer to the Leafs on Monday then the Leafs could decide. Shanny said he tried to get the deal done after the trade deadline and Dubas didn't bite then because he obviously already had a secret offer from elsewhere. The reason Canadians team never win is because every Canadian team has constant turn over in the front office. This is going to be a set back for the Leafs.

[@matthewalbin50]

maybe. maybe not...this team is clearly flawed and Dubas is the one who put it together. Decisions will have to be made soon on 34 & 16. We will have answers soon enough I guess

[@kidcanuck6031]

@@matthewalbin50 I think Dubas was courted by Phoenix. They were allegedly getting a new building and Matthews is tight with Dubas, he's from Phoenix, and he was going to join Dubas in Phoenix eventually. There's also Chicago who got Bedard, Ottawa who is getting a new owner, and Pittsburgh. So I think it's clear Dubas had secret offers just like Paul Maurice did when he quit in Winnipeg. I think Dubas decided that if the Leafs want me to stay he said here's what I want, take it or leave it.

[@kidcanuck6031]

I see Dubas landing in Phoenix and home town boy Auston Matthews joins him there. They were getting a new building and still might.

[@matthewalbin50]

Matthews is probably very savvy in his business dealings. It would make ZERO sense financially for him to go to the desert. He is in his prime (which is short for athletes). Why would he go to a team that is far from being a contender, that doesn't have an arena, that doesn't have a rabid fanbase (you need eyes on you, in order to market yourself)?...and on top of all of that, if he lives in Canada, not only is his marketability through the roof, but his NHL salary gets converted from US $ -> CAN $ (x 1.35 more than he would have in AZ... I just dont think that makes any sense personally (financially)

[@kidcanuck6031]

@@matthewalbin50 I think it makes perfect sense. I don't think playing in Toronto and being trashed online is higher priority than playing in your hometown and in the 5th largest city in the USA.

[@1960taylor]

That's a big loss....hahaha

[@retired8123]

Shanny suddenly spills beans trying to make Dubas look bad ...After Spezza's resignation I am left wondering if there is more to the story than Shanny lets on and Dubas was quiet about other reasons why he questioned coming back!!!

[@Hynzy57]

I do think Dubas could of called Shannahan bluff as well. You’re telling me the most popular hockey team in the sport can’t dig up another couple million for “their guy”? Dubas wanted reassurance that the Maple Leafs were committed to him and Shannahan clearly showed that they’re aren’t committed no matter what.

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

oh please, tthats a terrible take. he was given reassurance by alreadyy having gotten a contract extension offer. you think if he wasnty committed he would have gotten an ofer in the first place? dubas rejected the offer and wanted more money. dubas is the one who's not committed cause clearly he is in it for the money. honestly cant believe you think the way you do about it. thats delusional

[@viperswhip]

Hire Jim Benning and Green as coach, haha, do it, do it.

[@GB-ob5zx]

Kyle said everything is on the table. This was a tease, bring me back?, and we’ll shake things up. In the end nothing will change. Shanahan said the timeline may not be preseason, or trade deadline. I think Shanahan wishes the new guy will squeeze more out of the core. This core is worth more to the leafs than others in a trade.

[@hockeyfan7100]

If I was Matthews, there's NO WAY I stay in Toronto with all the management nonsense, regardless of what people think of me.

[@boogyjuggy]

Do not like how this ended but....well its done....does not matter why now.....move on...get better....win or learn......little worried about who they bring in.........we will see............a good team....lets get to great now...............GO LEAFS GO