Who could be the Leafs next GM | OverDrive - May 19th 2023 - Part 3

[@TJGibson0]

Calling it here: Dubas grew up a Sens fan. When Sens new ownership is confirmed, they'll pursue Dubas for GM or President and bring in him and Spezza to the front office

[@tnsf2896]

Oh snap could you imagine lol

[@leaf16nut]

Ottawa does like scooping up Leafs leftovers, I could see it happening

[@joshdaley3061]

Nope Dubas will end up in the States and Matthews will follow and sign with him in a year

[@nadia0701]

If dubas goes there I'd take Dorion in a heartbeat

[@lucasp1878]

@@leaf16nut stay mad we have a way better future….

[@erikmartin4996]

The guy put together the biggest bunch of underachievers ever.

[@jackuzzi5251]

The ages of the 4 GMs remaining in the playoffs are 58-65. Shanahan brought in 32 year old Dubas 5 years ago with no substantial background for such a big job. Shanahan didn't want any seasoned GM to outshine him like a Lou L would. Shanahan has to go.

[@nadia0701]

Kyle ushered in a modern way of doing things. His contributions to the organization from analytics, to health science to capology were instrumental. The team is no longer a group of kids who need a soft touch. We need someone to take us to the next level. Kyle had a contract in hand. I would have liked to see what he would have done next. He played chicken with MLSE and overplayed his hand.

[@jackuzzi5251]

@@nadia0701 There is nothing new about the Dubas era. Leafs lost again.

[@jonfreeman9682]

That's true. But Shanahan wanted to take a chance on Kyle as remember when Moneyball came out talking about how amazing analytics was for baseball and every team copied Billy Beane. So the same thing was happening in hockey and Kyle was a young guy who loves to manage by computers and numbers and Shanahan bought into it. Truth be told it worked. Leafs broke thru first round and racked up most wins in regular season history. But there's some intangible element preventing them from going further.

[@Dale-jr7oj]

@@nadia0701 lmao nice copy and paste. Dubas is trash

[@GVH1305]

Good point. Imagine having Lou L.

[@jamiecrawford7220]

"Pookaroo" Shanahan magically turned into from the Pokadot door says Hayes.. I wonder how many people know or understand the correlation or metaphor?

[@jamiecrawford7220]

Tizz it Dizz

[@jamiecrawford7220]

Wizz it Mizz

[@tonyo8171]

In a perfect world Quenville will be reinstated and sign with the Leafs. Guaranteed he will not be apologizing to his players for calling them out on their efforts!

[@cahg3871]

Nothing we as fans say will matter in the decision making process,Shanny will hire who he wants.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Shanny sucks big time. He's a do nothing no talent administrator. A great hockey player but not executive material.

[@stevebrodie5214]

Tsn should post all of these shows on KZbin

[@DHARMYOGCOM]

Agreed

[@billboggs6641]

Sittler as GM, Gilmore as coach. Lanny McDonald as President. Maybe not business savvy but they know hockey inside out

[@flatearthrcs4869]

Love the thinking bro..As a long-time leaf fan who bleeds blue, I'd love to see Joel Quenville behind the bench. Then Brad Treliving as GM. The leafs have less then 5 weeks to make some huge decisions. Treliving won't hesitate to pull a block buster. Mainly moving on from Willy and Matthews. LA is a great landing spot as Ray said. I'd welcome Kopitar, Fiala, Durzi, Mikey Anderson. Or how bout Kopitar, Fiala and doughty coming to the leafs. What's your thoughts

[@flatearthrcs4869]

Kopitar Fiala Doughty For Matthews Nylander. All day

[@flatearthrcs4869]

It's obvious Matthews, Nylander, and a case for Tavares. There both soft, Matthews has zero emotion. He checked out after game 2. Nylander is a seagull out there. He scores a meaningful goal once a round. And he's soft. Both. Guys, don't have a dog in them

[@doinitforfun888]

The pressure is on shanny to get this right GM possibilities are: Chuck Fletcher or Brad T. new Coach potentially: Gallant or Bruce B. Offer Matthews 13 million x 3.or 5 years.

[@matteodilullo2795]

Florida fan here i would like to thank the management for letting go of carter verhague

[@johnsummerhill8323]

As did a few other teams.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Florida is the island for misfit hockey players 😂 I love watching Duclair

[@deeryder6797]

Ouch. That one hurts . Lol

[@SgtSpud13]

Hey did you guys know that there are teams currently fighting to win a stanley cup right now?

[@das8771]

Dubas will find out in Pittsburgh.

[@40pianos]

I don't know why any team would hire Kyle Dubas. He's demonstrated that he can't manage a salary cap which meant he couldn't construct a balanced and dynamic team that would thrive in the post season. His blundering through contract negotiations further demonstrates his inability to accurately assess a situation and respond with a winning approach.

[@jonfreeman9682]

He was counting on an increase in cap space but it didn't happen during Covid. You don't bank on cap space increase and gotta leave space for roster flexiblity.

[@pm7315]

Fire Shanahan PLEASE!!!!

[@jonfreeman9682]

I second that. He's not terrible but he ain't great either and let his ego get in the way here.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Woah, are you questioning the Shanaplan 😱

[@Scottieguru]

No matter what the organization, general managers have 5yrs, once they bring in their coach and players, to make a positive difference. If that managers team doesn't get deep into the playoffs and challenge for the Stanley Cup within those 5 yrs, then they are done. First goes the manager. The new manager comes in and fires the old coach and brings in his coaching staff. The cycle is repeated.

[@drew651]

@@420xo Brad Treliving had 9 years, pretty good. lol

[@jamesanthony5681]

In the case of Kyle Dubas, if he had handled his Monday (5/15th) press conference differently, and had subsequently communicated to Shanahan on a face-to-face basis (or phone) rather than by email, then he'd still be the Leaf GM today.

[@DHARMYOGCOM]

Stan bowman might be the guy but he is a goone like Babcock but the type Shanahan would hire

[@dsc4178]

Leaf fans were happy for 3 years of great hockey and making the playoffs. But 2020 on winning series and the Cup became the standard, not just being a good team and competitive until May. Also, not important to win 3 games every playoffs and now 5. Small steps are too small really. Who can lead?

[@tedlakomy950]

Peter "Bold Moves" Chiarelli! ROTFLMFAO. Why is that guy allowed in any building in the NHL?

[@tonyo8171]

Agreed Shanahan owns that colossal error..replacing Lou with an unproven entity like Dufas who had no winning record. Stupid stupid mistake that has taken years and tears to rectify….my o my 😢

[@BoboMcBooboy]

I do imagine if they hired an old boy like Babcock but a GM Babcock (like another Lou) and that didn't work out, you would be saying this same thing as "Dufas" The GM in hockey doesn't have an easy job... The leafs GM especially with their Rabid fan base who eats their own the SECOND they're gone lmfao

[@scooter29]

Lou is an old dinosaur. He’s done nothing at all lately

[@unboxedtv6544]

💯

[@jimlangdon1947]

Hunter

[@flatearthrcs4869]

As a long-time leaf fan who bleeds blue, I'd love to see Joel Quenville behind the bench. Then Brad Treliving as GM. The leafs have less then 5 weeks to make some huge decisions. Treliving won't hesitate to pull a block buster. Mainly moving on from Willy and Matthews. LA is a great landing spot as Ray said. I'd welcome Kopitar, Fiala, Durzi, Mikey Anderson. Or how bout Kopitar, Fiala and doughty coming to the leafs. What's your thoughts

[@flatearthrcs4869]

Kopitar Fiala Doughty For Matthews Nylander. All day

[@gordgraham8426]

Who will be the Toronto maple leafs New GM

[@duke3196]

Mike Futa

[@crystalholloway2862]

I use too think for a little while that this leafs team winning a cup before Ottawa sens but I think the sens will win a cup before any Canadian team right now IMO anyways ✌️

[@cjmllvv]

No you dont

[@johnsummerhill8323]

No Canadian team wins a Cup while the Americans are running the game. 30 years and counting.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Not sure about Sens as they're at the bottom right now. But I think Edmonton has a shot and Montreal did make finals.

[@johnsummerhill8323]

@@jonfreeman9682 But no Cups in 30 years. Close to impossible under the salary cap rules as they are right now.

[@thefozzybear]

LOL!

[@ba4778]

Wayne Gretzky!!!!!!!!

[@duke3196]

Dubas will be the Oilers next g.m.

[@billboggs6641]

They already have a big offence team that crashes in the playoffs so Dubas would feel right at home

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Holland retires and hands the keys to Kyle and is immediately hired by Shanahan in Toronto 🤣

[@josepollo9326]

Hot take Mike Gillis he put the Canucks over the hump and into the finals

[@DHARMYOGCOM]

Dubas overpaid Marner for sure.

[@kidcanuck6031]

Wayne Gretzky as GM and Mark Messier as coach.

[@independentmind7782]

Mike Milbury is ready.

[@richardbas7574]

Cmon Shanahan!! Lets do the woke thing. I really hope they hire Haley Wickenheiser. Then i could save time and never watch hockey again

[@marsazorean62]

Perish the thought😳

[@boogyjuggy]

5 pretty good years as GM. One of the best records in the league over the last 5 years....We just knocked off the Tamp bay lightening in the first round....a very good team...lot's of positives to take from the last 5 years. We improved big time. We have a good team here....now lets make it great.....win or learn.....No GM coming in will be better....no-one around....none..........A mistake was made here and i can see Kyle coming back at some point. He did a good job....glass half full here.....we were heading in the right direction....win or learn.....GO LEAFS GO

[@ronchaput5636]

Please hire me

[@zacharmstrong5573]

Easy $500 for Hayes

[@pm7315]

Shanahan " an experienced GM is a priority" that's why he should have hired Mark Hunter 5 years ago.

[@alexrowdyrodrigues9716]

Honestly if they can't get Tulsky in time and now I think Dubas is probably on his way to the Pittsburgh GM job, I would take a flyer on John Chayka. Similar in age to Dubas at 33 yrs old, he isn't tied to the Core4 so he could try some of them if he needs to, and Chayka is an analytical guru like Dubas and even founded his own stat website along with his sister. He would most likely follow the Dubas like mold but he would be more willing to make changes. In Arizona, he was not given enough resources to build a good team, and he built one that got the Coyotes into the playoffs. Now imagine what he can do with the resources that Toronto has? I would like to see that happen I don't need an old fart of a GM coming in and destroying what was once built because I don't believe this team needs a rebuild but they do need a different flavor of game than what we are used to seeing

[@underscr0e]

Chevy when the jets give him the boot….

[@qkeith5071]

Kyle was.not a good negotiator....Shanahan hired him over Lou Lamorillo and Mark Hunter, maybe he should go

[@Psalm1101]

Shanny is at fault then who guys the players if not the coach Leafs again did not finish well

[@mattm6580]

My thoughts exactly. T N for G M.

[@Psalm1101]

@@mattm6580 leaf fans remember Gilmore and Clark those were fun leaf playoffs even when we didn't finish the job understand the difference

[@Plutoboy85]

Find it kind of trash that Shanny revealed details of negotiations in the public. Dubas has always kept things private and respected the process with players. Too be thrown under the bus like that is not a good look on the organization.

[@byrd5163]

Sounds like they had a deal but then Dumbass wanted more money.

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

For people that are suffering and go pay check to pay check, people like Dubas, the elitists, should suffer as well.

[@Landis_Grant]

It will be Stan Bowman.

[@cliffordjordan9577]

TSN is loving all this Leafs news 🤤🍆 😮

[@jpricho9294]

10000%. They love all these losing

[@alexx9252]

At this point, does anyone want to manage Toronto? lol

[@johnsummerhill8323]

They are already lined up.

[@crystalholloway2862]

Dubas goes to the penguins and win a cup the first year lol sorry TO😂

[@TheBillaro]

stop spending money on tickets n merch.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Draper is DRW head of scouting . I don't think he has had the full compliment of GM experience and I think he is smart enough that he would not want TML to be his baptism under fire. They missed it by a year they should have gotten Pat Verbeek from Detroit - I think long term he is going to be excellent GM

[@mathildebrand8735]

Pay up Hayes.

[@ed230]

Bring in treliving and sutter as head coach being some structure and heavy play to this franchise ...theyve been way too soft

[@johnsummerhill8323]

Sutter chased away the best players in Calgary , then no playoffs. No thanks.

[@GVH1305]

Don Cherry

[@michaeljoy9600]

O Dog for Gm for toronto

[@bobknight6394]

Can we get someone with some LEAF PEDIGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TJGibson0]

Had they kept Lou instead of Dubas we'd be talking about a team bouncing in and out of the playoffs with laughable defense and no depth. Drafting players that never make the show based on "truculence" and continuing to trade picks for guys that don't move the needle like Boyle and Plekanec. Nikita Zaitsev would likely still be around on his deal that Lou signed him to. It's hilarious that anyone is suggesting Lou would've done a better job. Not saying Dubas was perfect (far from it), but come on guys don't be ridiculous.

[@johnsummerhill8323]

Doubtful. He hasn't done much since.

[@allentam5754]

No it’s Matthews, Marner and JT fault zero goals in 5 games against Florida making this kind of bread pathetic lol . What can Dubas do about that put on skates, jersey and hockey stick to score them? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤬🤬🤬

[@shaundefeo4981]

He signed them to the deals, he left the team with no room under the salary cap. Should have never gave Marner that contract. Should have fired the coach after the loss to Montreal. He is going to have a great full career and is a great GM but this team needs a new direction and should have done something extreme 2 years ago so today would have been a different outcome

[@hien7801]

Peter chiarelli

[@oldrockgeeser9426]

How about Gretzky as GM and Gallant as coach.

[@rickymartin875]

How about Leafs making it 57 years without a Finals appearance in 2024?

[@alienspace3960]

@@rickymartin875 and how about the Leafs making it 58 years without a Finals appearance in 2025?

[@rickymartin875]

@@alienspace3960 one year at a time space monkey! 🤣

[@user-ub1gz8lx8c]

Who cares honestly it's the worst team

[@pm7315]

Shanahan's ego is the biggest problem in Maple Leaf land. He will only hire a GM that will only be a yes man. bc he doesn't want to bruise his ego.

[@nadia0701]

Really, that's why Shanahan signed off on firing $10m a year Babcock for Kyle's coach from The Ahl and the soo?

[@benpolley4282]

Hailey wickenheiser?

[@rickymartin875]

what about Hailey?

[@johnroberthson7839]

A woman is not being gm give me break woke people

[@kellymaxwell3179]

You know as well being a gifted player what is needed and When you're GM and coach after yrs and yrs still can't figure it out. The GM trades for players that are never going to stay and never are the trade that is needed for the line that is not able to make it work since they lost the one to another team, and basically no one has a clue that is why they are not producing so Why am I going to sacrifice my self with l playing the game as the leader for hits and fight now and have to dump the puck in and physically take a beating knowing that I am not getting it and then have to go all the way back defensively because I am trapped inside their end trying to get the puck

[@kellymaxwell3179]

But after incident regarding him talking to the media about , how happy he was with the goaltending of Campbell, marasek while he already had him going on waivers and was talking to flurry and was trading Campbell. . that's when the Leafs turned into mentally fragile little boys that don't trust their father. and every time the trade deadline comes it's like a tramuatic experience yr after yr, . You can't expect young men to mature and believe in each other like a family which shows up in playoff hockey, just how much you are willing to sacrifice as a team . That's plays on lines that are together for long enough to know how they see the game and know how to find their ice. THAT' starts with your GM, He's the one that wants you on his team it's like your dad, and he knows what part of the puzzle you fit perfectly. With you just playing your game.. eventually he will provide you with a good coach, that is like your favorite teacher, that could bring out the best of you.. . Especially the ones that are so gifted and are having fun.

[@kellymaxwell3179]

Kyle Dubas is the reason for the Leafs having a fragile mentally fragile fragile players that should have been matured man by now playing as a family as a team with results in believing in each other then produces sacrifice