Is SDL3 Ready For Production?

[@agocs6921]

SDL3 is already used for Source 2 games like CS2, Dota 2, and Deadlock

[@MCSteve_]

I dont know for how long but the creator works for valve.

[@heyclore5728]

you mean Dota 3?

[@yrds96]

Also half life 3

[@cattokomo]

​@@yrds96You mean Half-Life Episode 2 Part 2?

[@ryonagana]

and steam itself

[@puneetdhiman5194]

We got SDL 3 before GTA 6

[@re_detach]

wym we're all playing GTA 6 right now

[@mrzoProductions]

Of course. They need it to make GTA6.

[@craftrumzen2393]

@@re_detach Teach me your ways

[@dhkatz_]

@craftrumzen2393 You mean you aren't playing the leaked build?

[@damnhatesyou]

People care about GTA?

[@WormHeamer-y6x]

the addition of storage api, main callbacks, pen api, file open/save dialogs, etc. are all really exciting for just general cross-platform applications programming

[@aajas]

For anyone frustrated with the beginning of this video, skip to 44:41 when he finally reads the release notes and starts to cook

[@XenusYard]

_"Can we strace this motherflipper?"_ *Top 10 Phrases Uttered Moments Before Disaster*

[@satchelfrost6531]

cue curb your enthusiasm music

[@AdemBudak-x8v]

1:12:55 people who never program will never understand this feeling...

[@catmium7974]

Sa

[@pxolqopt3597]

My friends wondering why I'm freaking out over a red square not knowing the 2000 lines of code and 3 hours it took of reading vulkanguide just to get there

[@JG-nm9zk]

@@pxolqopt3597 I feel that in my soul

[@aeliusdawn]

@@pxolqopt3597 The last time people were losing their mind over a red square was during the Cold War

[@Xero_Wolf]

Bro this reminds me of trying out dark basic back in the day. I was already feeling like a boss after learning to draw primitive meshes. Then I added physics to a sphere and and a plane and the moment that sphere bounced off that plane I lost my shit. lol

[@paulooliveiracastro]

I would 100% watch a SDL_gpu stream! Hope you are excited enough to do that

[@c4llv07e]

I think SDL_QUIT was renamed because on some case insensitive languages (like basic) bindings was a little harder to make due to the name conflict with SDL_Quit function. And also because of the naming standards.

[@furti]

with awhoo amista azozin

[@jonasls]

the man the legend

[@exvimmer]

AFAIK, SDL is funded by Valve.

[@meanmole3212]

funded

[@exvimmer]

@@meanmole3212 LOL, yep. My stupid brain.

[@rj7250a]

Maintained by Valve for many years, the original.creator didnt work for Valve in 1998.

[@arkeynserhayn8370]

I'm already 7 minutes in and i am crying from laughter, thank you Amistah Azozin

[@_lod]

SDL_shadercross is separate because you can compile shaders from other places and use them instead

[@revenevan11]

SDL is such an underappreciated workhorse. The recent influx of videos excited about current (pre)releases of SDL3 have convinced me to (unpreparedly) attempt to bodge together a crappy game engine with Zig, SDL3, and OpenGL over the next month when I'll have a week off for the holidays 😁

[@revenevan11]

Ayo hold up it has 3D and *compute shaders* built in!!

[@hipno3477]

Maybe you are already aware of this but there is a cli-tool called glslc/shaderc that can be used to precompile glsl to spir-v. I'm guessing it could be a decent option if you'd want to use glsl, until the sdlsl is workin and twerkin. Great video btw! SDL3 hype

[@b-rosa]

If I recall correctly there is a gdb option to load pending symbols indeed, but I don't remember the name. If I remember, I will post it here

[@revenevan11]

Pls rember Lol

[@volbla]

Does gdb not have documentation or something? Can't we just look this up?

[@b-rosa]

It should be something like `set breakpoint pending on`

[@b-rosa]

Search for "How to set breakpoints on future shared libraries with a command flag" on stackoverflow

[@Xudxcia]

17:20 When you don't export the environment variable and still want to use it you should make both commands inline, because without export it does nothing So instead of "PKG_CONFIG_PATH=... pkg-config --cflags sdl3" Use "PKG_CONFIG_PATH=... pkg-config --cflags sdl3"

[@anon_y_mousse]

This is especially useful for something that you only need temporarily. That way you don't pollute your working namespace and don't need to close and reopen the terminal.

[@emneo-dev]

I am really surprised by the sudden crash when using strace on an SDL3 program because I did that not even a week ago. Maybe a problem with your install? (This should not even matter in the first place but it might explain it.)

[@mike50378]

From finding the circle api to playing with the GPU api is the best.

[@satchelfrost6531]

I did a little experiment where I tried to create a raylib-style API, but with a Vulkan backend. What I ultimately found is that it works for simple pipelines, but the moment you need flexibility, you really just need access to the Vulkan primitives. Compute was one of those things that just ended up being easier to have access to the lower level stuff (i.e. less abstraction was better). The problem with trying to abstract away things in Vulkan is you end up eventually wanting access to everything, at least that has been my experience.

[@pamus6242]

You are the Anti Hero we all need. I hope someday Gabe Newell makes you the captain of Valve.

[@multicoloredwiz]

9:30 can your rust DO THAT

[@jorge28624]

I believe SDL author works at Valve, so yeah, is developed by them one could say

[@multicoloredwiz]

What the heck. I looked at a prerelease version of a library and it was incomplete! DEVS FIX IT NOW

[@notdeus3834]

Yay, new upload

[@adr420]

11:04 btw we do get header files😊 you should have the checked mingw downloads they include header files, prebuilt shared lib, and static lib...

[@tulpenkiste]

23:40 it got changed to return bool not int

[@yooyo3d]

SDL_InitWindowWithRendere has a flag where you can specify a renderer. You used 0.

[@cyrilanisimov]

Maybe SDL on Linux is not compiled because you could use different std libs (glibc, musl) which are not compatible with API

[@risingofgames]

holy moly acyual compute shaders and 3d? dayum sdl

[@omegawii]

You're correct UE4 uses SDL. They also use it for console controller inputs.

[@puncherinokripperino2500]

single dll is because it is just for users, i think

[@ovi1326]

It's the first stable ABI release in the 3.x series so it's not like users have some software lying around that could actually link with it. Maybe they don't ship the headers bc with visual studio you download the headers anyways and then just drop the dll in the project configuration? Haven't used Windows in 6 years but that's how I remember how it worked. However you got vcpkg and/or proper build system integration there nowdays - you really shouldn't do it that way, so not exactly sure.

[@andreymlv]

i’m really waiting for your GPUish streams!! thank you 😊

[@alst4817]

Ameeeesta azzzooozjin is back!

[@soulspirit8687]

51:46 "[last7310] It's actually Indians" had me dying

[@user-sb5vt8iy5q]

amdvlk is developed by AMD, vulkan-radeon is developed by Valve, commonly called the "RADV driver", RADV is generally better and supports older GPUs too.

[@warko4]

Crazy background 😅

[@RandPrint]

just turn build shared off it looks like to build static

[@glados_creator]

what's going on with the subtitles here ?

[@heavymetalmixer91]

IIRC this SDL 3.1.6 is the same version you used in the video you tried Raylib 5.5.

[@Valyrie97]

are the subtitles.... live stream chat??

[@TsodingDaily]

yes

[@leifmessinger]

It probably crashed when doing strace because of the infinite loop

[@captainswing4040]

i have made a 2D game in SDL it was very simple and made in like a day from my experience fully featured 2D games can be made in SDL i really want to make this 2D No Man's Land and right now my choice is SDL

[@deepikagupta1060]

mista zozin cookin

[@Aziqfajar]

40:14 We really could have that naming for the heck of it lmao

[@adr420]

Finally you talked about it, you were only about raylib 😑 till now.

[@theevilcottonball]

not true, he used SDL2 in the past, used Xlib in the past, and he very seldomly used other APIs to create a windows, like in the essence OS, freebasic etc. streams.

[@Do_It_Stupidly]

I think I should give it a try😅

[@stefanosanasi2268]

1:23:05 lol I thought that it would have been 150 lines and it was exactly 150 lines of code. EDIT: oh, I was jebaited

[@theevilcottonball]

Next: check out sokol.

[@theevilcottonball]

It is also a C library which abstracts over OpenGL DirectX WebGL WebGPU Metal and unlike SDL it is already fully released.

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

11:10 sure, we don't get header files but we get a vcpkg distro... So we don't need them, same is true for apt. I'm nearly positive 14:18 or because it's being developed by valve, they reimplemented or statically linked a lot of these things? I know valve is pretty obsessed with making things just work on Linux... 15:08 Is there ever a time that you're in the mood for cmake? 21:26 yeah SDL3 Is basically sdl 2 but with more opengl and Vulkan support 23:30 I'm pretty sure that's because they automatically generate their headers and they automatically generated them from scratch for the major version... 1:31:11 sdl having a crossed platform. HLSL support really smells like it would valve trying to get developers to develop for Linux. Natively.... I know my game engine I'm about to be making is going to be cross-platform...

[@zizzyballuba4373]

raylib?

[@IsaacCode95]

Exactly how i react sometimes reading a library API lol 56:44

[@John-yg1cq]

1:22:52 I guess 150 Holy shit.

[@mattanimation]

was a fun stream

[@helloworlditsworld]

🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@hubstrangers3450]

Thank you....

[@meanmole3212]

We have identical SDL3 GPU API abstraction in Rust called WGPU that offers bindings for other languages as well. Just another one to the top of the list 👍

[@halano]

void , i3, sdl3 💀

[@desertfish74]

Linux users not fucked though, just use package manager to install it

[@OSrBurns]

Kali Penger

[@azharalibhutto1209]

Great ❤❤❤

[@onyedikachiikuru2924]

🎉

[@antropod]

iRect

[@Bestmann3n]

it's a platform layer.

[@wolfengange]

I fucking hate programming ❤

[@lachee3055]

let be honest, those using windows probably dont now how to compile C

[@luvzware]

average linux user trying to assert superiority

[@MagpieMcGraw]

vcvarsall.bat is my nightmare.

[@StanisawRak]

open windows terminal gcc dick.c -o .\in\ass

[@patrick.miharisoa]

First 🥇

[@SunakSunak-b9t]

Давай по русски

[@RatanBasak-f8h]

Start writing your own kernel... 😎

[@QckSGaming]

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[@cycomkid]

Now try Vulkan or wgpu with Odin, You will learn about forced callbacks 😂