Turbo EverDrive PRO - REVIEW

[@quarkbent9165]

Just wanna say, been watching a few years now since some major events in my life... and while I'll understand if you have to stop doing this day, I'm thankful for how you still put effort into this channel

[@Godsgood111]

After the 12th anniversary episode, I decided to start from the beginning and watch every episode. I love seeing your comparison shots and it was cool to see here again.

[@DuckAvenger]

Back to working nights and it's comforting to have a game sack episode to watch

[@mickael486]

on semi?

[@Alien_Bob]

I fear I may be too much of a turbo amateur for the turbo everdrive pro

[@romefox]

Ill have you know, Im a turbo nerd.

[@Jesse__H]

I'm afraid I'm a turbo journeyman at best...

[@JasonALMS2010]

I’m a turbo lover. Does that count for anything?

[@nicktronson2977]

I knew a dog named Turbo.

[@ViniVHSoares1993]

@@JasonALMS2010 well, i can tell you there's no other

[@AceTrainerX3]

As someone who only owns a TurboGrafx-16 and EverDrive ver. 2.5, I'm still very happy exploring the HuCard library for the time being. Once Krikzz releases that stereo adapter I may consider upgrading, especially if I decide to add some Japanese PC Engine systems to the collection. That, and I'm gonna hold out on more firmware updates and fixes for the few compatibility issues left to iron out.

[@seanmcbay]

I never had a TG16/PCE but always loved the vibe of the whole system. Just something pleasant about it’s color palettes and sound fonts.

[@Johnnygrafx]

I was on the fence, but now I think I'll wait for either an update or a new device. Sucks that there's still no one all-in-one solution. Hopefully analog comes through soon!

[@CorporalDanLives]

The ability to play CD games is SO important on the grounds that those early lasers and drive mechanisms are becoming a nightmare to maintain. Krikzz doing the Lord's work here

[@faenethlorhalien]

Not just that. Remember: disk rot.

[@paulymc]

To be fair, Terraonion did it 5 years ago.......

[@juiceala]

True, while we finally have a fully functional Atari Jaguar emulator, unfortunately it does not support CD based games simply for the fact the creator of the emulator cannot afford the CD add-on and it’s very rare and very expensive to get one that works.

[@RoomerJ]

The game data is just a turbo card and can fit on one too, as long as the music is archived we won't miss anything. Which is why this cd compatibility isn't that impressive overall.

[@RoomerJ]

Plus my phone from 5 years ago or more can emulate Turbo cd so

[@oldschoolm8]

My little lift on a hungover Sunday in rainy old Britain, thanks Joe!

[@kennethd4958]

I use to work for Stone Age Gamer and I remember making these was a pain in the butt lol… we used a specific kind of spray paint back then and it was all hand painted. Glad it seems they streamlined things!

[@Vriess123]

Wow save states on the pc engine that's great! Hopefully this can be implemented on some of the FPGA cores.

[@rossvegas7]

The lengths you go to, to review these products is a credit to you sir.

[@StephenTheZ]

I enjoy how the ending skit wasn't even a joke this time, just education lol.

[@videostash413]

if it's not a joke, why are you laughing?

[@johndee759]

Thank you for making this video. DUO owners always get the shaft.

[@Kawikacheco]

One of my favorite things about how Joe makes his videos is how he credits the songs, games and other information in the credits crawl. How many times have you watched a video from someone else's channel and say, what is X at time stamp Y?

[@isunshin999]

Joe is such a talented producer, cheers man thanks for all your top-tier content!

[@gabrieldias3479]

Bonus Game Sack episode? Yes, please.

[@tom11zz884]

I'm happy and content with my TurboGrafx 16 Mini I purchased years ago with the Turbo Tap

[@Nintendo85]

This channel is single-handedly responsible for my love for the TurboGrafx/PC-Engine

[@WalrusFPGA]

Looks like a step in the right direction for original hardware owners. Seems like it would be a great pairing with the relatively cheap base PC Engine or Core Grafx. Save state support is massive! Especially with how rare saving functionality is across the library.

[@Daniel-be6cj]

I've owned a Turbografx 16 for probably almost a decade at this point but I've never actually played it because I've just never found any games for it out and about... I think I should finally get one of these

[@Oribaa90]

I just got mine last Friday so I am surprized seeing all those review videos online. I guess it came late. Didn't expect to see a Gamesack episode about it but I love it. Flashcarts and ODEs are the future for hardware collectors. I love the Turbo Everdrive Pro. I already had the Super SD System 3 but I needed the new Everdrive for save states.

[@leviwarren6222]

I know this is off topic but while everybody mentions that the Japanese Turbo Grafx 16 was called the Super Grafx, I've never actually seen one. That is the coolest looking console I've ever seen!

[@jsb0714]

Wasn't it called the PC Engine?

[@SuperKokuJin916]

You're right, it was. I think they're talking about the refreshed Core Grafx lines in 1989 and 1991. Adding the much needed functions of the TurboPad! 😊 I have both. I prefer c1's colors but c2's reliability and sleeker looks are unmatched imo.

[@leviwarren6222]

Your confusion here is that the PC Engine was released in '87 and was rebranded the Turbo Grafx 16 for North America two years later but that same year, they upgraded the Japanese PC Engine to the PC Engine Super Grafx. Watch the current GameSack video for reference.

[@Jaturnage]

Joe over here naming Turbo variants like Bubba naming shrimp dishes in Forrest Gump. Great episode, Joe!

[@CreepyUncleIdjit]

Hearing that end music from Riot Zone got me right in the feels.

[@GameSack]

It's a great track!

[@GeordiLaForgery]

With Turbo and Pro in the name you know it's gonna be good thanks Game Sack.

[@skywalkerranch]

Amazing Joe. Thanks so much for this, man, as it is much appreciated. Thanks for keeping this channel going for us all it is greatly appreciated.

[@elnoel1220]

I’ve never heard the phrases “Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective” and “completely playable” being uttered in the same sentence before.

[@Jeffmetal42]

For the price I feel like there are too many issues that require workarounds/mods or just don't work. I'd just put that money towards a Mister personally.

[@SeveredLegs]

I guess I am happy I forked over the dough for a modded Duo-RX.... Burning the CD-R's was slow-going but ultimately fun. I like loading actual CD's into the tray.

[@tmw3489]

How is this your takeaway from the video? Tf hahahah

[@SeveredLegs]

@@tmw3489 because a regular ever drive is sufficient for HuCard games and I get all of the native functions of the system without having to sacrifice anything.

[@LezardDesu]

I agree, burning CD-R's and using the old Turbo Everdrive for card games seems like the best route currently. Especially if you already own a Duo with an RGB mod.

[@SeveredLegs]

@@LezardDesu Yes exactly. It's definitely the more expensive option but it's 100% reliable. I also have a CoreGrafx that I use for HuCard games so I can leave the Arcade Card in my Duo.

[@chriswaters834]

Nothing like reaching into the ‘ol sack on a Sunday morning.

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

I want Joe to sign my seeled copy of Greendog: The Beached Surfer Dude for Sega Genesis, then have it graded.

[@GameSack]

That would bring the score down from 90-ish to about 3, lol

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

@@GameSack I'm ok with that. 👍

[@videostash413]

Grading makes games worthlesss

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

@@videostash413 It's meant to be a joke piece in my collection.

[@cax1175]

Hi Joe! I just got back from Japan yesterday. Got so many cool pickups including an Apple Pippin, PC-FX, and front loading Neo Geo CD. Thanks for all the hard work for so many years!

[@GameSack]

Thanks CAX :)

[@cax1175]

@@GameSack Happy to support you!

[@NotAGreatGamer1981]

Did you go to Supa Potato in Akihabara for your Pippin? I remember about a decade or so ago that they had one when I was there.

[@cax1175]

@@NotAGreatGamer1981 No, I got one in box at a Hardoff. I went to super potato but only got a couple of neo Geo cd games

[@narakuoni]

Thank you for learning me Joe. I don't know if I'd ever get that spelling right.

[@hanzobi1926]

So this does not support supergrafx rom loading on a normal PCE or TB16 console? You need Supergrafx hardware to load it's roms with this? I see Terraonions's SSSD3 Pro supports Supergrafx roms on normal PCE and TB16 consoles and that is a big feature imo even if there are like 5 supergrafx games.

[@Gunbu]

Joe, very cool you featured a lot of Dragon's Curse in the video. I think it's one of the best games on the system hands down and a bummer it wasn't included on the mini console. Also great overview of the options available to play non original games for the systems. Goes to show that there are always compromises going that route, even this day and age. That said, I have the original Turbo Grafx Everdrive and love it.

[@JohnSmith-or7gh]

I wasn't expecting that the most informative piece for me would come in the ending skit. Awesome as always, Joe.

[@jeremyrobertson9718]

Is there a link for the db electronics grafx booster mod? I would like to do this, but need to know what components are required to get this done.

[@GadgetUK164]

Looks very cool!!! BTW - Running SuperGrafx mode in the Terra Onion expansion on a real SuperGrafx with SuperGrafx enabled (turned on rather than off on the SuperGrafx) could cause a hardware fault I think.. The very fact the grahics get messed up there makes me think there could be a bus conflict somewhere.

[@eightbit1975]

Sounds like a conflict of the "Grafx's" so to speak. Since the Super HD device has FPGA implementation of the SuperGrafx already it is bumping heads with the actual SuperGrafx additional hardware in the real console. I don't own a Super HD System 3 device but it would seem an easy fix would be to allow disabling of the FPGA SuperGrafx implementation either via a menu option or perhaps an alternate firmware download from the developer that removes SuperGrafx support from the device for real Supergrafx owners. The latter is probably a better and safe option. We do this for video cards (I work for a video card manufacturer) where we create custom VBIOS to remove sound support from a video card for example for clients so that the audio portion does not cause conflict with the client's custom hardware. So, essentially an update flash that removes SGX support from the device turning it into a Super HD System 3 with support for all but SGX. I cannot see a reason why that cannot be done. I own a SuperGrafx (and I love this machine) and I own a Super SD System 3. This is currently the best combo for SuperGrafx owners as the SD version (previous model) does not have the SGX FPGA implementation therefore it works fine in a real SGX with games. But like I said, I think this can easily be fixed in the new HD model should the developer want to do so for us few SGX owners ;) If that option were to exist I would probably upgrade for some of the new features such as HDMI and the reset button. But as the SuperGrafx is my only console and I do not relish in turning off the real SGX hardware via the compatibility switch in order to play the FPGA'd SGX on the device I will not upgrade at this point in time.

[@animatedplastic]

What a time to be alive for retro gaming. Thanks for the PSA on how to spell Turbografx. Now I know.....

[@jessragan6714]

Wow, that squish noise you used for inserting that peripheral was really uncomfortable. I kept expecting bent pins afterward. That thing needs a proper connector. Anyway. This device isn't ready for prime time, judging from this review. Yes, some of this can be addressed with firmware updates, but all of it? Including the buzzing SD card?

[@brandontalbort]

I look forward to finding out how well this or the other options will fare with the, ever looming, Analogue Duo.

[@317Chris]

I agree. There should have been the option for the audio solution BEFORE he put it up for sale. As someone who bought one, I kinda feel cheated. I went back to my previous Turbo Everdrive. It's a $220 paperweight right now.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

9:54 They’ve gotta fix this still. Most of the other issues aside from not working on Duo consoles and RF systems are resolved.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

Looking forward to this. Never tried the system or it’s Library before. Hopefully the team that works on the Grafx booster adds the mod in future revisions.

[@Pewpewpew182]

Can you guys do the 3DS systems and games in the near future? Love you guys!

[@MagisterHamid]

This!

[@QF_Dan72]

A video on Nintendo DS would be great

[@Mimi.1001]

That would make (or would have made) a great anniversary episode or like a special (episode 400?), since the first GameSack episode was actually shot on release day of the 3DS. But a DS episode beforehand would make more sense, and is somewhat overdue. Although Joe is probably not too fond of the system for its gimmicks and relatively weak hardware (compared to the PSP), it would be nice to see him talk about games he is apparently fond of but hasn't actually really covered in the show so far (the Ace Attorney games for instance).

[@IHeart16Bit]

Neat device. That price tag is absolutely insane. I guess when you have control over a niche market you get to dictate value.

[@adt636]

Yeah a MISTer is waaay better than an everdrive IMO

[@TheRealGara]

Great review. It was really nice to see your perspective as an SSDS3 and SHDS3 owner. For now I'll be holding back to see how the firmware updates and official expansion board go. The SHDS3 really annoys me with its low audio and I'd love to toss it to the curb, but with its composite colors it seems like it will remain. Maybe one day a perfect solution will come

[@Dac_vak]

Damn I actually do always spell it wrong. That bonus skit was actually a great pro tip!

[@WalcomS7]

2:43 The only cheat code you'll ever need.

[@Lynxan]

I'd like to to see how this is going to work with Analog Duo. Still waiting on that to get out still. Time will tell.

[@ragexg]

Hi, I have a special question. I have a rare Turbografx Pal, it comes with a standard av like the mega drive 1. What do yout think will it work with the Pal one as well?

[@sunderark]

Yes it will

[@crushingnickelsintoquarter9610]

Your reviews really inform my decision on whether to buy "retro enhancement products." Hmmm, I wonder if the spark plug is moddable in order to achieve proper sound?? Thanks Joe!!

[@GameSack]

It is, but I don't know anything else about it technically or how to perform the mod on that device.

[@COBOL]

I've never tough about that SFX connection with the name! So brilliant! Finally I can spell Turbographix correctly!!! Than you Game Sakh!!!

[@87brndn]

I love how you have a t-shirt with Dave on it.

[@DeAthWaGer]

TurboGrafx is an even 10 letters which looks good spaced out on two rows of 5 letters each. Just like Sega's famous 90s ad campaign "WELCO METOT HENEXT LEVEL” which just rolls off the tongue!

[@3dmarth]

*HENEX TLEVEL General silliness of the ad aside, it has always bothered me that they crammed six letters into the bottom row. Could they not have just used a different layout, like 7x3?

[@DeAthWaGer]

@@3dmarth it looked silly at their arcade in vegas, it read "welco metov irtua land ". Yes, with a space at the end of the last line. On a giant neon sign.

[@videogameobsession]

I find it odd that the new ED Plus doesn't produce any sound from even standard HuCard game roms when playing through the TG16's default RF output. This wasn't the case with the previous Turbo EverDrive, correct? I guess Krikzz assumes no one will be using RF output in 2023. But still.. There should maybe be a disclaimer.

[@skins4thewin]

Surely an option could be added to modify the color palette for RGB thru the Everdrive Pro itself? Or is that a hardware problem?

[@TonyLikeGames2]

A bonus Sack? Don't mind if I do!

[@Kinshinobi]

Ain't nothing like a new sack

[@jmullner76]

I love it when I get learned from the Sack.

[@drcrankenstein]

My favorite feature is the save states. I'm able to get through games I never would have got through otherwise in my old age. Also being able to play CD games on the TurboExpress is pretty awesome.

[@Robert_Shmigelsky]

I'll wait for the Analogue Duo, which I assume will have OpenFPGA or at least be jailbreaked.

[@Progearspec]

Great that there is a flash cart that can play cd games now.Still,with it's flaws id wait and see how much the firmware updates will improve things.Though i still have a decent size collection of games on cd currently so i'm good for now.

[@StephanieHua]

@8:25 I’m getting CD sound glitches when running this on my RGB bypassed (Genesis 2 8-pin DIN) TG16. I can somewhat hear some sounds if I blast the speakers to full. Hucard sounds work but I also hear strange static. This further proves the fact that the TG16 has a strange mixing circuit that the PCE variants do not have.

[@amerikaOnFire]

Joe still has the sticker on his TG16! I peeled a couple off of mine a few years ago. It was so satisfying lol.

[@xbradx75]

I'm loving mine, and after selling my previous 2.5 ver, ended up not being much more than finding an Arcade card for my Duo-R, plus may pick up a regular PCE at some point, so having option to play cd games that way once Krikzz releases his expansion module, or db or others modify theirs for the pro.

[@emerje0]

Can you explain again a little slower, I'm still not sure I understand what Turtle Graph X means.

[@stevenewsome5306]

Fell asleep watching the spooky Halloween episodes and wake up to this excellent review.

[@videostash413]

I own a lot of Everdrives and love them, but I'll wait for the Analogue Duo instead.

[@justicle]

Where can I find any info on how to stereo mod an RGB adapter?

[@ShinyShinyIsAlwaysBeingSerious]

Thanks for teaching me how to spell TurbowGrafex !

[@hi_tech_reptilez]

Finally!!! And it's way cheaper than that other ODE/Flash Cart. Much preferred a Krikzz product anyway, thanks for the review/overview!!

[@TruthSword7]

What if you have the TurboBooster Plus? Will the sound work unmodded with that?

[@SecondOpinionGames1]

What should I buy for my duo???

[@ksysinf]

I wonder why literally nobody ever talks about palette difference when they do an rgb mod for any console. Composite usually looks much nicer in that regard with much softer color

[@GameSack]

With the TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine it's particularly egregious because not only is it darker, some colors are vastly different than what we see in composite. The NES has this same issue and fortunately the community has offered up exact or close composite palettes while still enjoying the benefits of RGB.

[@TheAlphaOmegaX3]

@@GameSack I guess most don't talk about due to not knowing about the difference. I know I sure as heck didn't even give it a thought! I hooked everything up with rgb and enjoyed a crystal clear image and rich colors. A demonstration of the differences could be more enlightening and thus create more interest in developing solutions and more options. Sounds like a Gamesack educational video is needed!

[@LeadMe2TheBliss]

Is the background music from Wonder Boy? Love that song. I think it's from Wonder Boy In Monster World, but I'm not exactly sure.

[@Peeps7468]

I’m pretty sure it’s Wonder Boy The Dragon’s Trap. Great song

[@Vaskomyr]

Just curious, I assume this hasn't been tested on the turbo express or PC engine GT? I would assume more issues but it does make me curious. I do love that we keep getting new ways to play though, great video as usual. Thanks for all the free gaming entertainment!

[@StephanieHua]

Happy to say It works fine on my LCDDRV modded GT

[@sunflash2]

It is hilarious that SD card access sounds like a 3.5in floppy disk being read.

[@cheekyphuzz_thegod8558]

Joe, you are super America number one

[@robwaters8848]

Joe, thank you so much for all of the incredible content. Sincerely. I've been watching you for what feels like 8 years and never missed an episode. You're my favorite KZbinr right with Johnny Millennium (Happy Console Gamer). It's like homemade chicken soup with rice 😅

[@Jesse__H]

*You're* the only turbo everdrive pro *I* need, Joe. 😘

[@videostash413]

stop the sexual harassment

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

77% seems slightly too loud. Perhaps 76% or 75%.

[@disky01]

Ah, that Ys soundtrack, got shivers as it started...

[@ytjaymz-x]

Awesome review and video man, love your in-depth look!

[@mindscan420]

so, is it better to get this with the RGB plug over the Super SD?

[@jaimefiore]

Will the audio work properly if I remove the CD player and use the audio and video on the docking station? Or do you need that adapter?

[@ricardclau7718]

Hey nice video, I was thinking I was the only poor soul not getting cd audio from my expansion board. Any links with specifics on the components to mod those to get the cd audio mixed in like you show?

[@GameSack]

For the DB Grafx Booster you'll need two 2.2k resistors and two 1uF capacitors.

[@hsena83]

​@@GameSack do you have any schematics on how to solder this to the booster, which extension pins will be soldered? do you have something more detailed on how to do the mix... Thanks great video

[@ToastyCubes]

Legendary Axe II as the first game shown off. Frickin nice

[@HoroJoga]

There's this anime called Hi-Score Girl that talks about the PC Engine. When it came to netflix they dubbed all the lines as if they were saying 'Turbografx' It was specially worse in the brazilian dub, since we never got the Turbo officially here, so there's no official way to say its name, so they went by 'Turbo Graf Shis' ('Shis' being how the letter X is spelled in portuguese). They should have used PC Engine.

[@Relugus]

The PC Engine is just a much cooler looking console as well.

[@xenrich147]

Would you recommend this for the Analogue Duo? If not, what would you recommend?

[@davidburnett5049]

I like gamesack because of its grafx.

[@jamesmoss3424]

It's an great idea 💡 for everyone to download every turbogarfx-16 games 🎮. 😀👍🎮

[@duhmez]

Quick quesiton, a bit confused, maybe I was too dumb to notice axactly. Does the TG 16, will it work with that add on board mod, or truly not at all no mattrer what? or only the default rf din does not have sound?

[@GameSack]

Only default by itself will you not get any audio at all with the Turbo Everdrive Pro.

[@videogameobsession]

Not quite ready for prime time IMO. I'll wait for the final version when the audio is all sorted out. It's too expensive to require used mods just to get sound to play.

[@teachme325]

Will this work when a Turbo Booster is attached? I wish the sales page this stated clearly.

[@santiloquem]

Does the turbo everdrive pro still have the same downsides? Or the problems have been fixed?

[@ChrisGhysel]

My PC Engine is RGB modded with the doujindance kit. Will that play CD games in stereo, or will it still be in mono?...

[@mullenio4200]

Sunday morning and a Game Sack video about I device I'll never buy for a system I never owned? Yes please. 😁

[@pcgenjin1]

Great review Joe. I wonder if stereo audio works with a turbo booster?

[@GameSack]

The Turbo Booster would definitely need to be modded for stereo audio. Nothing will work natively with stereo audio except for the external board Krikzz will offer called The EverDrive FX.