Turbo vs Supercharged BRZ Shootout

Turbo vs Supercharged BRZ Shootout
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► Black BRZ
2017 BRZ Limited, Performance Package
Edelbrock supercharger, standard pulley (10psi)
Deatschwerks 300C fuel pump
Deatschwerks 700cc port injectors
Delicious Tuning MK1+ Flex Fuel kit
Delicious Tuning Edelbrock tune
ACT SB7-HDSS clutch
TWS T66-F wheels, RE71R
Jackson Racing dual radiator oil cooler
Carbotech XP10 pads
350whp, 245wtq
► White BRZ
2017 BRZ Premium
GReddy T518Z turbo kit (7psi tapering to 5.5 psi)
GReddy oil cooler
CSG double ceramic on exhaust pipes
CSG Fan shroud + fans
DEI Turbo blanket and wrap
Delicious Tuning boost controller (Mike spec)
Delicious Tuning GReddy turbo tune
Delicuous Tuning MK1+ Flex Fuel kit
Deatschwerks 300C fuel pump
Deatschwerks 700cc port injectors
CSG spec OS Giken clutch
Jackson Racing MAP sensor
Trackspec Hood Louvers
CSG Flex A coilovers
CSG Prototype race pads
CSG spec ATS (advanced traction service) LSD w/ GReddy high capacity differential cover
300whp, 215wtq as tested - 360whp, 300wtq peak
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[@ConsciousRobot]

I honestly think this is what these cars were intended for. They provided tuners with a great blank canvas for a project car. They even made the exhaust tip cutouts extra large compared to the stock pipes haha. I really want to build one of these. They look so damn sexy.

[@revmatchtv]

Indeed they are fantastic tuner cars!

[@davidjohnston4345]

If a brz came from the factory with 350hp then it would cost $50k. What the hell is wrong with people

[@sharkfr-s]

David Johnston thank u! People are pretty dumb wanting a 30k “affordable” sports car making 300 whp not hp mind u. There’s too many variables that the dealer has to cover when they release Forced induction vehicles. U pay for those conveniences and security of having a warranty on a less reliable car thanks to the super charger or turbo.

[@blubase06]

Eco boost mustang is over 300 and is a cheaper price. Pick a different argument. That is literally the dumbest argument I've heard someone make. For just 9grand less than your argument price you can have a Challenger scat pack with more features than a brz and 15hp shy of 500hp. The fact that the 86 platform is 30k and only makes 200hp and outdated without luxury features. 20k makes a lot more sense.

[@pokimez6068]

nuggetsnig might have the power but it doesn’t have the handling

[@peterrivolleyball]

@@blubase06 Not everybody is searching for horse power itself. The handling on the twins are what makes them so valuable.

[@redlion145]

@@blubase06 I'd be surprised if an Ecoboost Mustang was still running after 5-10 years. I'll trust toyota/subaru, because you can still see Levins from 35 years ago doing grocery runs and drift laps in Japan. I mean yeah, there are those unicorn mustangs that were garaged and perfectly maintained, but museum pieces are not typical use. There aren't 35 year old performance mustangs just lolling about on every street corner. Japanese quality is what you're paying for. A car that will last longer than your payments.

[@deathberry33]

I was just waiting for the blind-spot mirror to fly off on the supercharged one.

[@revmatchtv]

deathberry33 😂

[@kevinj1339]

Why does he look like Conan

[@revmatchtv]

haha

[@abandonedhope2606]

@@revmatchtv i was about to say the same, excuse me for seeing the resemblance when you got in the test drive XD

[@revmatchtv]

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[@FxzzyXVII]

Anyone notice the Supra at 1:26 and 370 at 1:29 lol

[@Liam-nt8hn]

Behind the supra was another 86

[@LegionOfWeirdos]

I liked the microphone in the first car much better 😆 I've never had a supercharged car, but a few turbos. I have to say I'd probably prefer the supercharger because I HATE turbo lag.

[@revmatchtv]

There's a reason for the mic sounding better in the first car. IT WAS PLUGGED IN! DOH! There's zero lag with the sc. Feels entirely stock. Impressive.

[@afeeqhasan6621]

Same here, I absolutely have turbo lag.

[@cq5085]

Turbo lag is more fun, though. Same reason all the Honda fanboys swoon over VTEC. Except VTEC is turbo lag without the power.

[@zaylo9254]

r/subieporn

[@DjDizzy216]

Maximus Smith why do you say that?

[@Samuel-jn4lg]

That's not a blowoff valve sound, that's a turbo surge sound. Air is actually going back into the turbo instead of out into the atmosphere. Some say surging will damage your turbo quicker over time but it sounds so good it's damn worth it.

[@revmatchtv]

It does sound damn nice

[@RantTherapist]

That's what I hear a lot. That the supercharger leaves the feel or character of the engine the same as factory, and the turbo makes the engine feel completely different.

[@revmatchtv]

That’s exactly right.

[@Marine475]

@@revmatchtv Any opinion on rev matching on both setups? any rev lag with heel an toe ?

[@xLeidenFrost]

The turbo makes it feels like an evo 10

[@qleap99]

​@@Marine475turbo B18. No rev lag during heel toe downshifts, nor during any revving with the clutch in.

[@kevinsosa752]

Those turbo sounds are to die for, i wish i could shift and it would make that sound lmao

[@OldDyer]

Oh my god I was so close to committing to a supercharger but that flutter in this video just entirely converted me oh my god 🤤

[@walterm127]

You can use a BOV on a centrifugal supercharger.

[@gates762x6]

@@walterm127 lol

[@cuinican1980]

I was about to stop video and yoir comment is in preview. Now I have to finish watching to hear what you mean. It better be Fast and Furious part one first 5 min with green machine sound it made in-between shifts. Let's see.....(hear)

[@cuinican1980]

Bro, I didn't even finish listening. After first Flutter. I was sold Turbo for my Sister car it is. I'm her favorite brother. So im buy her one. Oh wait im her only brother. Hummm

[@cuinican1980]

Bro, im like Lion King on Mufassah part Say it Again .....Mufassah ohhhhhhhhhhh (I replayed it 53 times so far)

[@melvzmejia5483]

My dream car.. few more years and I will be able to buy you..and build you, according to my preference :)

[@suicidesspyder]

Ive got the 2019 now I need to mod it. I have the trd 86 version

[@SpeedSeekerMoto]

Im about to pick up a used brz Im not sure if I want to buy one that already has been boosted or if I want to start stock.

[@justinstewart3248]

And In a few more years, you won’t want this car anymore

[@austinn598]

bro i feel you... one day...

[@miguelfragoso7023]

How’s tht gone?

[@aaronwaldrop9068]

I am 6'5" they all feel like death traps honestly lol. At least here in Raleigh. The roads are so bad you need a car that has good dampening.

[@not_real7901]

the turbo stututu sounds amazing

[@Skedawg88]

Great review and information, it does make me wonder about cost. How much for each version? I will look it up but I suspect we're talking major bucks. I own a BRZ but would likely buy some other brand if I wished for more power, say a Porsche or Nissan Z car. A Corvette perhaps.

[@jirace]

CARB legal...not as shown. The Edelbrock SC does offer a CARB tune, and comes with an EO sticker, but that Delicious Flex Kit is not CARB legal, and neither are the (likely) upgraded injectors that are needed for that power level for the BRZ on ethanol, nor is the Delicious Flex Kit Tune that the can is running. So don't be confused by the video, this car would not pass the California visual inspection, and any intelligent cop pulling someone over who pops the hood would send the owner to the smog ref, so run a flex fuel setup at your own risk.

[@revmatchtv]

Correct, it is not CARB legal as shown. Eldebrock does offer a fully compliant version which is mainly a different tune and without the flex fuel setup.

[@shanehickey9057]

So thinking about the structure of the power plant and engines capability do you think it could handle a duel charge system turbocharging a supercharger motor or vice versa

[@revmatchtv]

No

[@dachanist]

You'd want the Edelbrock SC because it's easier to map due to predictable boost - but they only got 240 whp out of their tune on stock injectors and pump on 91. Rear CV axels and manual trans is weak on these. The Asin AZ6 manual is rated to 250nm (184ftlbs of torque). Coincidentally the 2022 gr86/brz makes peak 184 ftlbs. It's the same trans as used in the Miata, RX8 and Silvia. So, the average enthusiast would probably be best to go Edelbrock and keep it to 240 wheel like they do. That is still likely 70-100 crank hp over stock as the stock engine runs 160-170 whp depending on the dyno. Really you have to ask yourself, have I maxed out the power that I already have? The presenter here is shown accelerating after his on ramp without drift or drama in the wide tire black brz on e85. Would a more eager driver, in a stock brz on stock tires, be able to take that same on ramp to much faster speed? I think they would. Looking for muscle car torque from a lightweight momentum car seems to miss the point of the game here. Since e85 and a header alone will get you over 200 whp (25% over stock), that makes a lot of sense if you have access. If you don't have access, you can order it online and fuel up at home only or go flex fuel... but many people find that that's too much of a pain in the ass. Again, have you maxed out the car yet on your own? Maybe start with some wide tires? 255 works but rubs on the front tie rod at full lock (on mine), probably best to go 245 or 250. Stock is 215. Given the torque limitation of the transmission, consider the Jackson Racing centrifugal supercharger as another commonly used option. That is, if you even need it. Downshifting for power seems to be working for me so far, when that maxes out I'll switch from long pressing the traction control to pulling the ABS fuse. Still looking into the possibility of adding a SC though not sure I need one and don't want to lose the stock reliability. I considered flex fuel as well but not sure how much I want a big drum of e85 in my backyard next to my wood stove... pretty sure I don't need that. Since max speed on public roads is realistically 30% above the posted limit, maybe I'm good with my wide tires and lowering springs.

[@boostjunkie2320]

I would rather piece a turbo setup together. it would be cheaper and you will get a lot power and boost then the supercharger

[@reggielongoria1848]

I own a 2020 Hakone Edition 86. I'm just curious. How long would the life expectancy of the engine last with either set up.

[@Q-64]

Tbh it depends on how you drive it. The forums have had results all over the place. But I'd expect you can get get issues 30k post install. Connecting rod is the weakest link and the rebuild cost is hefty.

[@reggielongoria1848]

@@Q-64 Thanks brother. I appreciate that.

[@revmatchtv]

Depends on how you drive and maintain it. The weaker links are the gearbox and diff as they are designed for lower torque.

[@reggielongoria1848]

@@revmatchtv Thank you brother. Any, and all advice is greatly appreciated. 👍👍👍

[@MultiMrCookieMonster]

if you’re on facebook, you should join the 2020 Hakone Owners Group. basically just a bunch of us hakone owners talking about our cars and modding them

[@snarfusmaximus]

Well, I couldn't decide how to boost my BRZ once warranty lapsed but, by the look on your face, I'm definitely gonna go a turbo.

[@landofsyn2980]

Bye bye fa20... 👋

[@christopherlavayen9691]

Which one is better and quick ?

[@BlackTigerMike]

This is an interesting comparison; and the controversy of which is better, belt drive/parasitic/immediate vs exhausted/free/lag, all real concerns and there is no good way to please everyone with one solution; however, I think it would be a more meaningful if you had both cars running the same boost and same fuel systems, ie: 10psi on both and either both on e85 or 91/92/93 pump gas. Also both with similar supporting equipment, intercoolers, at least similar clutches, and tires(type and size). My current set-up is a turbo running 10psi on pump gas however someone running the exact same set-up on e85 will easily put down 15-20% more horsepower and torque, so just looking at the numbers on this comparison it seemed the turbo set-up was pretty anemic. If all this was more level-set it would be great to hear a review and see some acceleration times such as 1/8mile, 1/4mile, 0-30, 0-60, 0-100. It might provide people with more objective information on what might suit their power goals.

[@revmatchtv]

Thanks for the feedback. These 2 cars happened to be available at the same time and are similar. I had no control over the set up.

[@Ryan-ue9ve]

Oh and turbo noises sound better too 😂🤣

[@MrSquid-vy2ik]

I wonder the price difference between them

[@theHedgehogPro]

What's a cost factor for each? Supercharger less expensive?

[@revmatchtv]

I believe the supercharger is cheaper. I don’t know the exact cost for either set up though. Counterspace Garage could tell you.

[@martinstanek9711]

Well ... If you want to do your own forced induction, you can do it cheaper than buying a brand bolt-on ... From research I did on couple of cars, the turbocharging is cheaper, but quite a lot of work and fine-tuning.

[@richsackett3423]

This was a great comparison and incredibly helpful. Looking to do a BRZ/86 swap and just started research (thinking WRX, Volvo T5, VR6 or something). Although I'm already sick of hearing "it's like it shoulda come from the factory".

[@mejiwolf5187]

Great comparision, as an owner of a 2017 BRZ with a Greddy T518Z it does indeed give it that rubberband feel as you say but driven a few supercharged ones myself, I too would say it's a draw. Both options create much more of a dynamic driver's car and it all boils down to personal tastes. I definitely wouldn't change my setup as both a road car/track car to what I already have though ;)

[@mejiwolf5187]

Stock clutch, 16 months later still going strong. I figured it being a brand new car there was no point swapping it out until it died.

[@shadowrambo117]

Meji Wolf DUDE! Updates on your CAR! Please

[@revmatchtv]

The turbo was a little more fun. It makes better noises and has a more 'project car' kind of feel to it. Still a really hard toss up driving them back to back. I agree it boils down to personal taste. The sc is just fast but doesn't really let you know. All of a sudden you're just going very quickly and it keeps on accelerating.

[@mejiwolf5187]

I like the fact that the GReddy turbo has about 40-50kw and a bit more torque more on the low end and creates the wheelspin/sudden gush of power which feels great in my opinion! The noises also just bring a smile ear to ear! The SC definitely is great too but the power delivery is a bit too linear for me to enjoy as much. Around the twisties it is definitely more controllable power (SC).

[@myevilrabbitgames]

If i understand correctly, the supercharger activates in the lower rpms, so as a daily, are u cruising 27mph in third with higher rpms? my exhaust and headers make it loud enough, i want more power, but i cruise to work and school at 20-40pmh and i try to stay lower in my rpms

[@revmatchtv]

A supercharger produces boost in a very linear manner in direct proportion to the RPMs. A turbo is not as linear, it’s a bit more rubber band like. The difference is mainly in how the power is delivered.

[@myevilrabbitgames]

@@revmatchtv Ok, reading that in text made me really think about it, thanks!

[@mahemove]

How much extra money are we talking abt over stock to have mods exactly like these. Which is cheaper to buy n maintain?

[@revmatchtv]

I'm not sure on cost. You could contact Countespace Garage for details.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Cheaper to maintain is the SC by far. Not sure on purchase costs. Over stock you need a good $10,000 to do it properly.

[@amaterasu8829]

Turbos are by far the best smiles per gallon you will find.

[@christanharper]

Does the turbo sound like that from the turbo kit, or is that a separate BOV I thought that noise was the lack of a BOV

[@revmatchtv]

It's been a while since I drove it so I don't recall. IIRC the air is recirculated badk into the intake.

[@kylejackson1158]

Chris Harper yeah the fluttering is the sound of the air going back through the turbo the wrong way due to not having a blowoff valve. Some people like the noise but in the long run it destroys your turbo.

[@maxx_life]

Holy cow if that brz truly puts down 360hp to the wheels, that is freakin amazing. I wanna see it race some other cars, it should be a monster

[@revmatchtv]

It is a monster. It’s competed at multiple time trial events. It’s very fast on track. I will do an update on it and maybe compare it to a Supra for fun.

[@thevigilantexan]

Too bad they used such a week Turbo setup to compare with here. Not to mention the turbo car had the crappy stock wheels and tire size that makes a huge difference. A supercharger might have a more linear power band but it would never be able to hang with a more aggressive turbo setup. A few upgrades to the fuel and oil system and you can push way more boost and tons more HP with a bigger Turbo on these cars. Very good video with these cars you had available though nice work.

[@revmatchtv]

Vigilant Texan This car has a very conservative tune intentionality. #1, the transmission in these cars is very weak. This car has been through several. #2, the bottom end of these cars cannot handle a lot of torque without breaking. These are all known and proven facts based on lots of data. This car is tuned for reliability, it’s not a 1 pull dyno queen. It’s actually a development car and it has different wheels and tires on it constantly for testing. Every time I’ve driven the car there is something different! Thanks for checkin this out :)

[@sidewayzsrt706]

Vigilant Texan Set up a beast supercharger and the turbo will loose. Why do you make it seem like turbo are always the best

[@marioroldan8993]

Where can I find that supercharger state legal 🤔

[@mresab1997]

Was the Edelbrock on the stock header?

[@revmatchtv]

I don't remember. This was a few years ago. You can contact CounterSpace Garage for details as I borrowed the vehicle from them.

[@raikenbangayan3000]

which one is faster between the two?

[@ORG8]

ah yes, this car with turbo has a turbo feel to it

[@ohdok733]

I was thinking the same thing bahaha

[@legalboy71]

I'm not disputing that Subaru could make a turbo BRZ. I'm not even disputing that some people would buy it. It would tempt me. Although I hadn't previously thought of it, I agree that Subaru doesn't want to compete with the WRX. But I still think a 300-350 wheel horsepower BRZ, the kind that could keep up with Porsches, would be high $30's, not low. Obviously I don't actually know how much it would cost them to make one. It seems highly likely you don't really know that either. But a WRX makes 268 horsepower until you pay at least $36,000 for an STI. Some people would buy a $36,000+ BRZ if it had 300+ wheel horsepower. But STI's and Civic Type R's would still be selling. So would BMW 2 series. And all that completely ignores that we are still talking turbochargers when the linear nature of the supercharged BRZ seemed to be what RevMatchTV liked the most. Maybe Subaru could make a BRZ with more power than the WRX for the same price as a base WRX. If they can, that would sell amazingly well. They should do it. But I doubt they can. And for north of $35,000, I stand by my earlier assertion that for the most part the people who would buy a 350 wheel horsepower BRZ from the factory are the same people who already built their own.

[@revmatchtv]

350whp is about 400 at the crank. I can’t think of too many cars that make that power for high 30s. Maybe the Mustang/Camaro. It’s just not going to happen for this generation GT86. It won’t happen in the next generation either because that’s more power than the Supra is likely to have. It’s an equation only the aftermarket will solve. Appreciate the well thought out comment!

[@jellyduck100]

I prefer Black BRZ because that was fast so cool, way to go Eric! ;)

[@revmatchtv]

The black BRZ didn't feel fast because it was so quiet, but actually it was hella fast. Faster than the white one. It's a mini-rocketship.

[@mikegreen2411]

turbos are typically funner in most peoples opinion and you get the torque at lower ends with the turbo especially with the right sized turbo.

[@timcoats]

Used to own a WRX with a stage 2 STI swap and yes turbo was so fun especially during cold season I got a whole lot more power. I’d be curious comparison in different climates.

[@qleap99]

At 80 degrees or under, an NA 2L that's been turbocharged is awesome. In 100+ degree weather, it's miserable. Triple the lag and slower than stock acceleration unless you rev near redline, coolant temps in the 220 range, 230 with heat soak if you idle for more than 3 minutes, leading to the ECU's safety settings to put the car into limp mode due to pulled timing (rightly so), further bogging down the throttle response. Climate absolutely matters.

[@Yavorh55]

Stock - perfect affordability for Starting your journey Supercharger - Great upgrade if you want to just a bit of boost once you've saved up money but don't wanna go hard on the mods Turbo - unlock the full potential of the platform but be ready to pay the price in time and money

[@esko23q]

Sc 86gts here - Still mashing golf gti turbos and other bigger fish lol SC 10psi happy days - For turbo you don't want more than 7-8psi on a stock motor.. can push it more on E85 but stock interans will find their limitations eventually.

[@H0LDENSUX]

Which one is cheaper to maintain? The turbo or the supercharger?

[@revmatchtv]

Depends on how heavy your right foot is.

[@H0LDENSUX]

Suppose you had both cars and you treated both of them equally as a daily driver and as a weekend track car.

[@revmatchtv]

It's really impossible to say which one would require more maintenance. The main track costs are tires, brakes, fuel and fluids. Those can get quite expensive. It really boils down to driving style. The faster you go, the more you use, especially tires. They should be quite equal assuming you don't break too many transmissions. The white car is tracked very regularly for testing purposes. The main cost is tires and fuel.

[@K03sport]

So, those turbo/sc -ing the brz/frs/86, did they buy the wrong car? The reason I ask is because this seems to be the number 1 complaint. Would buying a different car from the get go solve the need to add double power? I'm considering a brz, but I have zero plans to modify the engine. Will I be that disappointed? Current car is a stock mk4 gti 1.8t.

[@revmatchtv]

Test drive and find out if you like it.

[@K03sport]

@@revmatchtv ...I have and I thought everything was fine; granted new car vs my 15yo car. While not mind blowing in the acceleration dept (say like Cayman S/911 C4S), acceleration and drivability seemed on par with expectations (at the time) and everything inside seem to fit me and be where I needed it to be. Yes, my current little 1.8t has max tq down low, making city driving easy and the BRZ's max tq is way up high. Thanks for the reply.

[@Ryan-ue9ve]

@@K03sport um yes if you plan on keeping it stock i would say you will be disappointed after a while and you should consider another car. If possible i would say get headers, better tires and put an e85 tune. For me this is what the car should have been from factory. While its not fast by any means it does satisfy you enough to prevent you from feeling like the car "NEEDS" more power.

[@cainhager9814]

See, I'm not sure about other places but in America, we really like to modify and make our cars our own, I'm sure the stock brz was fine, but the boosted brz was better, and some people would say buy a different car I'd you like power, but I dont want to go buy a heavy sedan that has more power when I can just add power to my lightweight coupe

[@dpbikes]

Nice Video Dude! Ide go with the turbo...cause turbo noises are more fun. Fun over everything!

[@revmatchtv]

It sure does make good sounds! It’s fast as heck too 😛

[@xuimod]

Aftermarket turbo's are high maintainence though. I had a turbo FRS. The exhaust gases get so hot, they heat up and loosen your kit's nuts and bolts. Exhaust leaks soon follow which robs your car of boost and lets exhaust fumes into your cabin. They make special nuts for turbo's.... locking nuts that don't loosen even after being exposed to super high temps. But no turbo kits come with it afaik. You have to buy it seperately and make sure you get the right size and thread.

[@josegdumbniglet_1]

is supercharge and turbo at the same time possible (idk about cars)

[@revmatchtv]

Yes it’s possible, but rarely done. The Volvo XC60 and xc90 T6 and T8 models are examples.

[@RantTherapist]

So how much of a difference does that flex fuel make compared to like premium? Isn't it really bad for the engine to use regularly?

[@revmatchtv]

It makes a massive difference. Running e85 allows for a much more aggressive tune. This car makes about 360 wheel hp compared to about 245hp for the 50 state, 91 octane tune.

[@mikegreen2411]

it does not harm the engine with a good tune but instead improves the performance.

[@konforzone]

difference is huge but going from 245whp to 350whp, you ll need some costly upgrades if used regularly.

[@rjmarianojr]

How about tuned to 300whp with e85.... can I do that safely with stock internals on a SC?

[@konforzone]

RJ Mariano pros from ft86club claim that safe limit for stock internals is 320whp. 300whp is achievable with both sc and turbo on even 91 octane. if you use e85 engine will run cooler and cooler is better. but you will need bigger injectors and pump to run properly.

[@ansgaragemx5824]

Excelente video, también elegiría el súpercargado saludos 👍🏻

[@codycurnutte7084]

New 2022 is being delivered across the us. I’m looking to snag one on the cheap used and go balls to the wall with it and do a time attack type build. Function focused mods but with tasteful aesthetic mods to make it look super clean.

[@revmatchtv]

I plan to get a new GR86 shortly and do time attack.

[@bboyairrick]

350whp is a lot for the factory for a 30k car. It was at around 300 CRANK HP(~240-250whp) than yea maybe a bit more believable, but even then, something would need to be sacrificed or adding more cost which means passing the cost to the consumers(YOU). So yea it's fine at 200 just sucks that you can get more from small/cheaper modifications i.e, headers, exhaust, cold air intake, etc…

[@revmatchtv]

What you sacrifice is the the transmission. It can't handle sustained torque over 240 lb-ft without breaking.

[@bboyairrick]

@@revmatchtv haha yea and that too. But I’d say it depends on your driving habits.

[@revmatchtv]

@@bboyairrick Absolutely. The car has been modified further. I should do an update video

[@ferguspark3290]

What exhaust is on the supercharged BRZ?

[@revmatchtv]

I don't remember what it was. It's different now. Maybe I'll revisit the car.

[@TheCldmstrsn]

205 hp 156 lb-ft of torque

[@joelfernandes9814]

Ummm where's the supercharger whine?

[@davidsemeryanov448]

What’s the blow off valve on the turbo

[@shtf3088]

Did you get your numbers flipped? The turbo should be way faster and have more power than the SC.

[@revmatchtv]

This was years ago and I don’t remember the specific tunes. However the sc version made about 360 whp with an ethanol blend in its final state of tune iirc.

[@JONNYGEEKMANG]

Remember the 86 turbo vs the 86 n/a? Then the guy switched to a supercharger to calm the car down. Kind of reminds me of that.

[@revmatchtv]

They have a different feel and power delivery

[@bubajack7461]

only thing that dissapointed me with the super charged one (and maybe the camera didnt pick it up or im deaf af) no super charger whine :(

[@notsoschoolboyq5518]

Buba Jack THANK YOU!!! Definitely no demon:(

[@bubajack7461]

@@notsoschoolboyq5518 i did some research and yes it is there but faintly you gotta turn off the radio and youll hear it when you give it which is nice because after a while i feel the sound will get annoying always hearing it, also a upgraded filter in the stock air box and a better exhaust will increase sound :)

[@bubajack7461]

@@notsoschoolboyq5518 its also a TVS Roots charger not a twin screw thats why it ks not so louf

[@rootbeer666]

No compression reduction pistons or new rods in these?

[@revmatchtv]

Correct

[@SGTDread12]

When you add those engine mods, what else must you change about the car? Gear ratios, tires, cambers ect? I am a noob. Also, I love to drive my stock BZR. So much fun!

[@revmatchtv]

It depends on if you just street drive the car or take it to the track. Brakes are always my first upgrade when adding power. Beyond that, it’s really up to you. As you increase your driving skill, you can decide what you want to upgrade

[@SGTDread12]

Street driver here for sure. So first tires/wheels and brakes? Make a guide video for us noobs one day

[@xuimod]

I had a turbo FRS. Nice car but with an aftermarket turbo, the car was super high maintaince. Exhaust leaks popping up every few weeks. Very annoying to jack the car up, take the underpanels off and on just to fix the exhaust leaks (there were two underpanels, one steel and one plastic). I eventually sold the car because I was fed up with constantly fixing the exhaust leaks and it eventually got so bad, i could smell the fumes inside my car, made me physically sick. I may go back to the 86 platform again. If I do and decide to do FI, it will be the supercharger route not turbo route.

[@revmatchtv]

Sounds like a bit of an exhaust or install issue. Were you using high quality parts?

[@theclutch19]

I don't get it, "300whp, 215wtq as tested - 360whp, 300wtq peak". So it it 300 or 360 hp? Can you explain the difference as to why there are these two numbers?

[@revmatchtv]

IIRC it depends on the tune and the fuel. Both cars are capable of more power than when I tested them, but the trasnmissions can't deal with the torque.

[@Fitforacting]

Can’t be a draw. Which one please

[@revmatchtv]

SC for the street and everyday “stock” driving feel. Turbo for more fun noises and “aftermarket” feel.

[@hamishsgarage]

So do both of these cars have built motors? Or do they have stock internals? Great vid man, love the work!

[@revmatchtv]

Hamish240sx Stock internals on both. The weak spot in these cars is the transmission. The white car is on it’s fourth. It’s a development mule. Thank you!

[@of2hw]

How about accseleration form 0 to 100 km/h?

[@desolatesurfer8651]

the only reason to mess with a brz/860 is to do burnouts. who really wants to do that? buy a camaro if you do. the 860/brz is so refined from factory i wont touch a thing on mine. thanks toyota/subaru.

[@revmatchtv]

It was designed with the aftermarket in mind actually, but I agree it’s fantastic stock. It’s a wonderful chassis

[@revmatchtv]

Darth Gravid The chassis is fantastic!

[@Rawnfella]

So refined? The first few years had valve spring issues and they’ve got a nasty torque dip from factory haha, I’ve got headers and a tune on mine to flatten that torque dip and it’s much more refined!

[@revmatchtv]

Rawnfella The torque dip is quite annoying. Fortunately there are fixes now.

[@StoicOutlaw17]

How about biturbo?

[@revmatchtv]

On a 4 cylinder?

[@celticwind4122]

I expected the turbo to have more power, odd it has less.

[@revmatchtv]

It's really all in the tune. It can make a lot more power, but it's tuned for reliability. Also, the transmissions in these cars don't handle much over 220 ft-lbs of torque without breaking.

[@4MyTube4Ever]

so whats the "reliability range of a turbo tune?

[@Angry-Lynx]

Turbo/supercharger difference has nothing to do with power

[@Angry-Lynx]

@@revmatchtv Also not true, do some reasearch before throwing some random statements like this, weak spot is cluctch, transmission is actually very strong for 200hp stock car.

[@revmatchtv]

Roni92pl My research is the multiple people I know who have had transmission issues with upgraded power. This includes this particular car. It’s been through 3 transmissions.

[@callsignkasper624]

Question: How much torque can stock AT transmission handle?

[@revmatchtv]

Its designed for around 200 ft-lbs. The white car is on it’s 3rd transmission. That’s the weak link.

[@jonathanchen4109]

even the mt is quite weak too.

[@Iamdesignproducts]

AT is from a Lexus IS 250 and with proper aftermarket cooling options you're good up to around 300 ft-lbs of torque. SSP sells upgraded valve bodies, clutch packs, and torque converters for this platform.

[@callsignkasper624]

I AM Design Products How about HP? How much can stock AT handle?

[@revmatchtv]

I AM Design Products I’m sure this is true, but personally I FAR prefer a manual transmission for driver engagement. The 86 is happiest in cornesr, not a drag strip.

[@boostjunkie2320]

turbo is more fun to drive. You can actually feel it when you do a pull

[@chip9038]

3:10 that microophone thooo

[@revmatchtv]

Yup. Mic issue. Made me sad.

[@chip9038]

no worries loved the video

[@izzydoesittv]

Do you happen to know the exhaust setup on the turbo brz ? Great vid btw!👍🏼

[@revmatchtv]

Isaiah R. Thanks :) The exhaust is CSG ceramic coated. What else do you want to know? I can find out.

[@izzydoesittv]

RevMatchTV thanks for the reply! Also is it running equal length headers?

[@turnip5465]

Isaiah R. Greddy Turbos are all EL headers

[@Aaron-fb6mb]

Vreat video but it would be really nice if you did a longer one and got more in depth. This one was a bit rushed and glossed over details

[@revmatchtv]

I only had a short period of time as the cars became available to me on short notice.

[@Aaron-fb6mb]

@@revmatchtv understandable, great video for the time lol

[@tt2000hp]

Tbh Hyundai should have just said that a tech "swapped" a muffler and get it retested

[@rookietoprobuildz]

YES ! That 350 whp is definitely the goal

[@muffinlion6299]

Should if ran that Supra when merging on to the freeway the first time

[@carsonwescott9450]

How much does the turbocharged one cost to bulid

[@revmatchtv]

I don’t know the exact cost but it’s definitely quite a bit more.

[@carsonwescott9450]

RevMatchTV is it around 3K?

[@Ryan-ue9ve]

@@carsonwescott9450 3k lmao, no the cheapest and best bang for buck turbo kit is an sbd500x which will run $3200. That kit will produce around 300whp but at that power you will need a clutch & clutch fork= $800. You will want to keep your engine cool since turbos make more heat so thats $500 for an oil cooler, then you will want to monitor your cars oil temp, oil pressure, afr and most importantly boost so around $600, then you will need a tune $900, and to put that power down you will want wider wheels and tires which may come out to $2000. Then you have to consider the labor and add ons that dont come with the kit like heat shields, better clamps, better air filter, new oil and oil filter. As you can see boosting a NA car can quickly add up, especially one that is engineered for 200hp lol. Then again you can always slap a turbo on the car and spin your wheels, slip the clutch and over heat the car...

[@alanw5812]

If they are same horsepower,supercharge should be better,but much more expensive,that why the company make turbo more than other.

[@cainhager9814]

Typically superchargers are actually cheaper, they just require maintenance

[@jonathanchen4109]

The stock NA just revs higher and have way less problems. In my opinion tuned stock is the better way to go. If u want a pounchy car. Buy a Golf R or Audi Rs. Anyone same thought?

[@revmatchtv]

RWD vs FWD vs AWD. 3 different classes of cars there...

[@jonathanchen4109]

golf R and s3 rs3 are kinda same animal

[@jonathanchen4109]

golf R is AWD.

[@noneofmybusiness9895]

Not blow off noises - that's turbo flutter.

[@legalboy71]

"If it came like this from the factory, I'd buy one." I don't think you would. That was a lot of money under the hood of that supercharged car. If they did that from the factory, the price would go up. Sure, not as much as it does when an individual does it, but at $35-40,000 I think most people would get a Focus ST, Civic type R, or even a 2 series BMW (you can get the straight six for $45,000). Unless the cars in this video had all bolt-on's. Subaru/Toyota could do that for a $5-10,000 price increase I'd think. Did they not upgrade the pistons or connecting rods? Everything I've heard is that the difference between 350 whp and 350 hp at the crank is the difference between needing to upgrade engine internals and not. But these cars claim 350 whp and the list of mods didn't include pistons or connecting rods. For the most part the people who would buy a factory supercharged BRZ for $35-40,000 bought an NA one and built their own. For that money I prefer a BMW interior. More than I prefer the BRZ's light weight? I'm not sure. That's a tough call. Clearly for more people than just me.

[@revmatchtv]

Very tough call indeed. It's a fantastic platform, and they have been able to keep it cheap because of the low power. I have also heard once you get into the 300s it is wise to upgrade the internals. My comments of course were geared toward the driving experience - which is great - not really the economics of it.

[@Code325]

I think you’re wrong. I think they could do a forced induction BRZ for low $30s (they can with the WRX, and it’s all wheel drive, so why not?). And I also think that ABSOLUTELY people would consider the BRZ over an equivalent Civic or Focus. I think the issue is, Subaru knows it would pull customers away from the WRX and somehow the cost/benefit for the R & D just isn’t worth it to them at that point... I also kind of disagree with Subaru on that point though. I think they could sell them hand over fist if they had a BRZ that could tag along with a Cayman.

[@revmatchtv]

Code325 Definitely appreciate your point of view! You’re right, they don’t want to compete with themselves. They need to differentiate.

[@shadowrambo117]

What? A RWD coupe isn't even in the same category as a Focus ST or a Civic Type R. If I can choose to spend $35,000-$40,000 on a fast sports car theres no way in hell i'm choosing an ST (or RS for that matter) or a civic over a hypothetical factory force induction BRZ/86 . The comparison between a 2 series like a M235i is understandable

[@Code325]

Josh C I agree, one could argue that it is a different market. The ST, Type R, and GTI belong to a market where people want something sporty, but practical, but (in the case of the Type R) still ostentatious and flamboyant. A BRZ with FI would target folks that genuinely want an involving driver’s car with few compromises besides a reasonable price tag. I believe there’s probably a respectably deep pool of potential buyers out there for something like that.

[@gamingcomedy5]

Can anyone explain the E85 fuel thing?? If a BRZ stock needs 91+ octane wouldn't changing it to a lower octane rating mess with the engine?

[@revmatchtv]

E85 is the equivalent of a very high octane fuel. It reduces pre-detonation.

[@danielbenner6274]

Check out science garage they have a fantastic episode ecplaining octane ratings and they delve into e85 and how it differs

[@parkv4861]

Turbo... for the feel.

[@revmatchtv]

I should do an update on this car!

[@Amber57499]

I think I'll turbocharge it. Consumes less, so it's a better daily driver. Fuel is super expensive in Germany, 1,45€/liter.

[@sandorclegane9734]

Amber57499 did you supercharge it? And btw fuel is way more expensive in the netherlands: 1.86€/liter

[@spacewalk3073]

Any one now how much the turbo cost?

[@spacewalk3073]

Know*

[@kalidesu]

Daily drive super charger, race track turbo...

[@martinstanek9711]

Nah, you got it the other way around ^^ on a track it's better to have a supercharger to get that linear, predictable power... Turbo is better as a daily, as it gives you better efficiency and a good pull for overtaking. But that's me :)

[@RoyalMobileAutoDetailing]

Wait this isn’t a sponsored video approved by your opinion or just simply facts? There is a difference lol

[@revmatchtv]

This video was not sponsored. I didn’t receive any compensation at all for this.

[@wes276]

How much were those builds though is what I want to know...lol

[@revmatchtv]

I don’t know costs. Contact Counterspace Garage for the details.

[@mohammadalrefai8253]

The BRZ needs 1 more trim option with the FA20DIT and all its problems would be solved..

[@revmatchtv]

Mohammad AlRefai Toyota has all but confirmed that the car will never get a factory turbo.

[@reyesnfs1legend-_-120]

I like turbo for the sttutututu

[@inSpyr]

isnt the Turbo wheelspin dangerous?

[@revmatchtv]

Maybe a little more sudden than supercharger but power delivery is pretty similar in these cars.

[@IvanJrFOST]

Is that a supra? Min 1:31

[@chrisdavis1151]

I've always liked these cars, but the price in my opinion is ridiculous.

[@chrisdavis1151]

@cha vang if 30-40 thousand is affordable then by all means be my guest.

[@billselinski3392]

@cha vang how'd you buy it straight from Japan? Direct Toyota? What website did you use?

[@billselinski3392]

@cha vang ty man, I'm looking to get the 2022gr86 job,but 1st waiting to see if it'll be turbocharged-the wait game

[@billselinski3392]

@cha vang well then I'll get it & s/c it; was my goal 4 my scion tc,but that 🚫

[@j-deezy321]

Too bad he kept shifting before they hit power peak

[@revmatchtv]

You think I should shift higher than redline?

[@j-deezy321]

RevMatchTV That didn’t sound like redline to me or you telling me that you were running up to seven grand?

[@Showmetheevidence-]

There is no way the edelbrock car makes 350whp on a stock pulley with normal gas. That’s just straight up bullshit.

[@revmatchtv]

I don’t know the specific setup but it was making more boost than stock. Why so angry bro?

[@carlosrangel7646]

Don’t think the white one is a 2017

[@revmatchtv]

It is.

[@aster5031]

5/5

[@TheSwiftHDSG]

👌🎥🏎️

[@revmatchtv]

TheSwiftHD Thanks Callum ;)

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

I’d take the turbo one

[@revmatchtv]

Both are good. I like the turbo noises though ;)

[@berengerchristy6256]

I hate the statement "this is how it should have come from the factory." if it did then so many people wouldn't be able to afford it. if you have the money then just do it yourself or get a more powerful car

[@revmatchtv]

Berenger Christy The WRX is the same price, same manufacturer and has far more power. It could be sold for a similar price I’m quite sure.

[@berengerchristy6256]

but then fewer people would be able to afford it, not to mention forced induction cars are less reliable. the point of the car was a fun, inexpensive, naturally aspirated, fun car. which it is. people also complain that the wrx is underpowered, and then in that price point people would moan about being able to get a mustang. people also conveniently forget their ability to find a used toyobaru and boost it themselves for less than the price of a new one. in this day and age of cancerous social media, people will always complain imo those people are keyboard warriors or on ramp racers. 200 bhp is more than enough to have fun on twisty roads. the problem is driving fast on twisty roads is scary while flooring it on an on ramp isn't

[@revmatchtv]

Berenger Christy 200hp is more than enough for the canyons or track. It’s just not too inspiring for commuting though which is how most people will be driving it.

[@berengerchristy6256]

I know this is asking a lot these days: but maybe people should be educated consumers. I knew going into this car that it was a cool, good looking, reliable, affordable sports car. I knew it wasn't a muscle car I'm always incredulous that people are shocked that 200 bhp isn't fast. like, duh

[@Iamdesignproducts]

RevMatchTV 200 hp in other lightweight cars "feels" faster because of the large torque dip present right at 3500 rpm from the factory which is a huge fail. Nothing headers and a tune can't fix but common...

[@mrporsche4236]

It you dont floor the turbo you are going nowhere. Superchargers are fun turbos are not its that simple. Even a 1000hp turbo car is less fun then a sporty supercharged car.

[@smoothpinoy7]

1:25 UR UNDERAREST FOR SPEEDING TO 90000000000000000 MPH PULL OVER NOW

[@MumbleVlogs]

Many people will say that stock they are tuned to perfection, but if that’s the case why are people so heavily modifying them. It’s because they need to improve. I feel you man they are so. Underpowered stock, I remember seeing drag racing videos of them and was disappointed by the times they put down stock.

[@revmatchtv]

Mumble Great platform to mod. I really do think the chassis is amazing. I see it as the modern 240sx.

[@MumbleVlogs]

RevMatchTV so true I wonder if the whole drift tax is going to apply to these once all of the 240sx are basically gone. I know I saw someone saying the 350z will become one of the future 240sx replacement what are your thoughts on that?

[@revmatchtv]

Mumble I’m sure drift tax will apply. The total production of the FRS/BRZ in North America is about 100K so far. The 350Z is already popular for drifting because it’s a great platform.

[@cainhager9814]

Yeah sure some might think its underpowered but the reason for modifications is because it's fun, people will buy ferraris and still modify them to a certain extent