Perhaps I Treated You Too Harshly, Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher | Chaos Dwarfs vs Lizardmen

[@jannikgluckert8501]

resummoning a deathshriek 10 minutes in gotta be the supreme "assert dominance" move

[@IIIJG52]

5 Chevrons at the time as well... It did quite well.

[@ruukinen]

I mean he got the refund for unsummoning it as well.

[@Cloud9vegas1]

New bounty challenge: win as chaos dwarves using only hobgoblin units and gordo as your starting lord. Bounty reward: gordo with a luchador mask.

[@joachimwalle3760]

Why a luchador mask, tho?

[@xyro3633]

​@@joachimwalle3760Why not a luchador mask?

[@fiveforbiting]

​@@xyro3633 The wisest of queries.

[@Cloud9vegas1]

@@joachimwalle3760 idk lol when i hear gordo, i think of a large luchador

[@hanskelsen8184]

5:56 he rather nuked himself with that comet. Beatiful play from your opponent indeed.

[@lich109]

I was thinking when you sent in the destroyer that you might accidentally hit the destroyer in the back, funnily enough "accidentally" friendly firing the Deathshriek into combat was a thing on the tabletop too (thanks to a technicality), however it would also really annoy your opponents since you weren't supposed to be able to do that

[@Matt-ln7lb]

The deathsrhieker rocket in single target mode actually seems pretty decent at countering enemy artillery; it's very accurate and kills most artillery models in 2 hits. It's just not good at killing the crew like a hellstorm. DahvPlays did a couple of videos on it.

[@Nubloot]

Loses hard to lil grom though.

[@Cyiel568]

@@Nubloot It has a more upward angle which can be great for sieges. The frag mode is also pretty good when you have some blobs.

[@majorfallacy5926]

yeah given that it can switch to anti infantry i can even see 2 of them being a relatively safe pick against many factions. Obviously except for kislev and maybe empire with the new luminark

[@sagittariusa9012]

@@majorfallacy5926 I would say the Luminark is even OP now.

[@s_moshi11]

Great point, thanks for posting this

[@thatoneguywhosaysstuff9529]

'Beautiful play by my opponent, nukes his own monster, and takes another quarter off his saurus, trying to comet my hobgoblins'

[@micahk99]

Writing from my rack on duty again after binging a few videos I missed. Thanks for showcasing the chorfs vs all these factions nice to know how to play with them. As always appreciate you making all the videos brother.

[@turinRTS]

Cheers man! More good times to come!

[@AverySadBear]

I feel like the kadaai units need some crumbling tweaks. Them basically falling apart after 50% HP makes them feel really lame.

[@nickaretta1329]

The other point is the Deathshriek seems to really be on the money with those hits. Does it have any light homing? Also, I think anything inorganic like demon engines, constructs, ethereals, and war machines should have immunity to poison... Poison itself could use a rework to be saturation-based instead of just "one dart and now 120 men are poisoned."

[@mcsqueeb187]

Happy to see the rocket getting some sick nasty value after hearing how underwhelming people have found it so far, obviously has a very specific niche. I'm guessing it's only good against large SEMs rather than cav or foot lords?

[@turinRTS]

yeah!

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Its ok against some arty too, but not amazing

[@lucasgondra5725]

Youd think that a monster made entirely of metal and fire would be more resistant to some breath propelled poisoned toothpicks

[@voyager9959]

It needs more armor. Just 90? WTF...

[@Tsumetaiyoru]

Today I realized that Turin capitalizes the first letter of every word of his titles.

[@christopher6754]

Dude... whats mine say? Sweet... what about mine? DUDE... WHATS MINE SAY!? SWEEEEEET!!!

[@TehGnomeh]

THAT IS ONE SUPER HOT GIANT ALIEN

[@Dustman5917]

I was hoping that the deathshriek would get reevaluated; I know it’ll take more experimenting to see where it shines but so glad it’s a good anti SEM piece. I still do wish it’s anti artillery sniping was more consistent that would be great. Also it’s weird that the big decepticon has metal slapped all over it but doesn’t have that much armor

[@pacingandmuttering5106]

Not super familiar with the lore, but I'm pretty sure the armor is like a containment for the K'daai, and when it breaks they leave, so it really is less like armor and more like their actual flesh

[@bigmerlin3795]

Yeah but it's surely gotta be softened by the heat

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

​@@bigmerlin3795 softer than a literal dinosaur?

[@bigmerlin3795]

@@jtowensbyiii6018 I dunno man dragon scale is often pretty hard and I dunno how far behind the dinos are?

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

@@bigmerlin3795 they're considered as hard as magically enforced steel, (which this creature literally is)

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

I want to see the classic Hellcannon! (I know magmas are clearly better, but it would be for some classic fun!)

[@henri2058]

I love these videos, a comfy blanket and a hot tea combo can't be beaten

[@Bioman197]

Man, those chaos dwarfs really do a Hushit ton of damage

[@spellbound1875]

Great match, excited for this patch! K'daai (both version) need like 20 more armor (80 and 110) and a health bump for the price. Fireborn need like, 1000 at least while the destroyer probably needs around 3000 considering price. That'd match them to Minos and Giants for reference, both units which are notably cheaper and similar damage outputs. I'd also probably want the infernal frenzy to stay active until 50% health. CA really struggles to balance daemons it seems.

[@coopdam3721]

Magma canons should get nerfed so the real showcase of the factions like k’daai and some war machines get the buff. Compared to Vc or TK this dlc is weak

[@Insandom]

I think Daemons in general need tuning to their morale system, mainly unit passives to gain leadership buffs. They're too fragile to invest chevrons just to make them have better leadership, by giving them thematic ways to make the daemonic stick around longer would be a more entertaining and fun solution imo. Nurgle daemons gaining leadership based on damage taken by units they're in contact with (HP divided by model count increase/decrease the intensity value proportionally, More HP + Less Models = More Value per % of damage taken, alongside expendable reductions (and summons don't count, obviously) Tzeentch daemons from Winds of Magic usage (allied only). Khorne by nearby unit wipes (half benefit from expendable units, including basic skeletons). Slaanesh, instead of a permanent bonus, would instead get highly rewarding but temporary bonuses from damage recently inflicted (so that when they've put the hurt on them, they can stick around to enjoy the suffering, but only while they keep the pleasure coming). Hashut Daemons from fire damage inflicted nearby (including the unit's own). The numbers and all that would take ironing out, but giving a better reward for using daemons would be nice. They're not weak or anything, but in comparison to mortal units their fragility is often their biggest detriment. I say give additional staying power to daemons when they're used effectively and thematically, in ways that aren't unnatural for the player to do and don't feel suffocating when dealing with.

[@TehGnomeh]

MORE BOOM IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER

[@havocgr1976]

Switch the destroyer for bulls and you ll be golden.Before people whine it sucks remember, there is a reason the Lizards dont ever use their huge SEM.

[@Hollyclown]

I guess one of the good things about the Deathshriek is that it breaks up formations very well.

[@madlarkin8]

Listening to your half-thought incorrect assessments on unit meta is half the reason im subscribed. If you say a tactic or unit is bad I use it as a guide on what to try next.

[@cheddar1554]

It sneaks up on me just how much I support Lizardmen whenever I see them. Even if I don't mean to. I find myself thinking "come on lizard boys!"

[@davidthewhitelizard3681]

I think Destroyer should have a bit more armor, its literaly made of iron and fire. Hopefully theyll increase it to at least 100.

[@Insandom]

Death Shriek seems like it does better damage vs. Saurus than the Magma Cannons were dealing per shot (not dps, think the magma cannon fires faster), which makes sense. It's got a greater explosion range and better armor piercing, Turin fires a shot off into one at 15:05 for example. It did 15% of the Saurus unit's health in one shot, that's significant damage considering they have 10,200 HP spread between 100 models, alongside the unit's spread out nature. I think it fairs better with it's anti-infantry shot vs. units like the Saurus Warriors and other durable units with loose formations. The rockets seem better suited for these kinda targets, their spread seems perfect to land square hits on them.

[@jdrdoom3705]

The Deathshriek is like a more mobile Bolt thrower. It has the benefit of armor piercing and an allrounder unit at the cost of Damage. The assessment that its good when you dont know what the enemy will bring is probably the msot correct one as it describes this unit well. Its better for Campaign when you fight different armies.

[@lars4349]

I wish one could see more dreadquake mortars in game. Nobody uses them really on replays.

[@turinRTS]

They are really bad...

[@Demaybe1661]

Like for real?

[@Fastwinstondoom]

@@Demaybe1661 Easy to dodge I guess.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

They should gain more accurracy over time, then they would be very solid.

[@Yotamb9]

@@Fastwinstondoom More so shit accuracy and friendly fire

[@stephenpiper2690]

How does a being composed of metal, fire, and warpcraft become poisoned?

[@johnsnow5125]

poisoned it's mind with questionable ideas

[@CrazyDutch91]

This title and thumbnail are pure gold!

[@AK-lq8ig]

Both the K'dai units are super brittle. The second Ld falls they are basically done.

[@NN-dl1gh]

Hahahaha El Gordo. Turin are you gonna do a livestream for a Chaos Dwarf campaign?

[@turinRTS]

Thinking about it!

[@xlifeisstrangex]

Shouldn't demonic machine units, such as the kadaii, be immune to poison and such effects? Makes no sense to me.

[@emac8616]

Did the HE Vs CD get corrupted? I recall it winning the poll all those days ago

[@turinRTS]

Its on the way, had to rerecord it

[@santiagogarrigos5744]

Am I the only one that thinks it's nuts that the k'daai destroyer only has 90 armor? I mean the thing is half living magma half unholy metal, it sohuld have 110 at the very least right? it's crazy that such a gigantic mosnter with 10000 health can go down so quickly to chameleon skink shooting and a couple of hits from some pretty mid-tier SEM's like bastiladons

[@stebateus7730]

In campaing when I used deathshriek I felt it was 1/3 of a chance whether it misses, hits own troops or hits enemies :D Sometimes it would just make tiny movement constantly and not fire for long time like it cant get firing line or smth but its literally a mortar :D

[@Person01234]

*enemy banishment makes your units run* *enemy comets himself* "Big big play from my opponent there!" lol. Good game though.

[@eust117]

that "contempt" mechanic should imo be straight-up copy-pasted into the bretonnian faction. Peasants would get LD (smaller than the chorf bonus,bc grail reliquae would then make them nigh unbreakable), and knights would not care whether peasants rout or not (thereby also rendering the "expendable" trait obsolete and removable, at least for this faction.)

[@gustafhillertz9374]

idk the death shriek to a million years to kill maz, i know he was healed a lot but still i feel likem artillery form other factions kill stuff quiker

[@lovebus00]

You can make destroyer your lord? Can yu make anything your lord? OMG make steamtank your unbreakable lord

[@eumaies]

certainly and interesting tradeoff between a dread saurian that might rout easily and a destroyer that won't but might just disintegrate

[@jonathankelly4222]

How bad ass would it be if when they rework lore of light they make the spell speed up animations? 🤔

[@lucasgondra5725]

I mean thats what brionas timewarrp was meant to do right?

[@jonathankelly4222]

@@lucasgondra5725 sure, but right now it just increases movement speed and MA.

[@aninnymouse1069]

I can't remember the creator (maybe even it was you) but they were using the deathshriek rocket pretty effectively versus enemy artillery.

[@jake120007]

i really wish they would completely rework ruination of cities, it just makes no sense that the most powerful sorcerer in the world has to deal with complete RNG and usually kills his own saurus

[@thebeggarsdice6020]

Memelord Turin, you summoned me and I answer the call

[@Nightmare_52]

4:35 from downtown on toad man

[@MDPacker04]

I feel like Ruination of Cities could be better than it is. It's always felt so underwhelming to me since it feels so random where it casts.

[@RyanJosepher]

A monster literally made of metal and has 90 armor compared to flesh dwarf 120 armor? Ok. A spell caster so less. Yeah balance makes sense. A monster completely made out of metal and magma, gets poisoned. Makes sense. A monster completely made out of metal and magma, gets scared and runs from battle. No unbreakable. Makes sense. Gotta remember to install those fear inhibitors. ;) Pretty bad piece tbh. Better to bring more flesh. It's a cool looking unit, that's about it. It hits for a few 1000s damage before it becomes useless. nice. "It's not useless though" But there are better pieces to play with. So, in theory it's just more useless then other choices. XD

[@steffent.6477]

I was so hyped for the Kadai destroyer :( Are there many buffs for it?

[@Kosss2001]

Think Lizardmen lose 80% of games on this channel 😢

[@SlytherpuffHouse]

Saurus just seem really bad as line infantry. They hold like champs but they just take Ls forever.

[@kirishimaredriot7264]

​@SlytherpuffHouse Saurus are really good line infantry and they got buffed and most times the saurus kick some ass your clearly not paying attention on them lol

[@fiveforbiting]

Man I love lizards, but the LM feel so disjointed to me. Too much of their many dlcs introduced niche chaff units, or mediocre mid tier units. I also hate the fact that plating cold ones in gold/bronze adds 0 armour, generic Slann have no mounts (so your elite casters are large, slow, soft, land locked targets), and ancient steggos have even worse melee attack then regular steggos.

[@Marduk1813]

Turin, please, bring a Dude where's my car thumbnail at some point!

[@CompleteNewbie]

So! Bull Centaurs, eh? Deathshriekers, eh? *Maude*, eh? Just noting that Reforge gives +15% (or so) hitpoints to a single beasty. Which sounds great if it's a beast wot is highly resistant to whatever the other folk have, but not much for a beasty who the other side can smoosh.

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

They need to go back to look at daemons crumbling. It’s way too punishing after the nerfs that were asked for.

[@Zharr87]

Dra-Zho-Ath, not Draz-Hoath... come on man your killing me with that one...

[@hailhydra7959]

Quick, to my Mom’s Great Taurus.

[@malachishock9343]

I get that it's comp, but seeing more diversity in lord and army comps would be awesome

[@majormoolah5056]

Daemonic Instability is way, way too harsh. I like the idea of it, but its bad for balance.

[@tomlynch8495]

Can the destroyer be a lord in single player of is is just an MP thing?

[@TheGreatJinx]

I feel like Hobgoblin Wolf Riders didn't really need a flanking ability, man. I just can't help but feel like this is DLC powercreep at play. Like, what makes them any more "cowardly despoilers" than regular Goblin Wolf Riders?

[@turinRTS]

Chorfs are not OP imo, I find them easy to counter in a ton of MU

[@gman9918]

Cus hobgoblin are literally just better goblins in the lore so they should be in the game too

[@TheGreatJinx]

@@turinRTS I'll take your word for it, then. I'm excited to see how things'll shape up when they drop.

[@ruukinen]

They are more expensive as well so it's justified.

[@quickdraw6893]

Hobgoblins are a bit bigger and stronger than regular goblins. As such, they're also a bit pricier. Also, if you're looking for some lore specific reason to their "cowardly despoiler"-ing, they literally evolved plates of bone on their back because of how commonplace backstabbing is amongst them. Regular goblins or, hell, even Skaven don't have that.

[@gingerone11]

Are CD's OP? Not seen all the replays, but all the ones I've seen they've wiped the floor with everyone they've fought. Or is it people just aren't used to fighting them yet?

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

See more replays, they are not OP. Some of their units are clearly overtuned, but you can say that about most factions. They lose fairly often.

[@N0ahface]

If it makes you feel better I've also seen comments complaining that they're underpowered and lose in all the replays they've seen. Just based on all of Turin's replays they seem like the most balanced a DLC faction has been at launch, I think they'll be a B+ to A tier faction that has really good matchups vs some factions and terrible matchups vs others. They seem like they're going to be near-unbeatable vs Nurgle or Khorne but I have no idea how they could win against a faction like Coast.

[@turinRTS]

They are not op, in my games its been 50 50

[@gingerone11]

@@turinRTS ironicly after posting I then watched the Kislev replay where they lost.

[@steelbear2063]

Out of all the DLC factions they seem to be the most balanced, as opposed to outright broken at launch. *Wood Elves flashbacks*

[@praiseHashut]

WOOH BOI, LESS THEN A WEEK!

[@Мастер-и1п]

I hate when missiles fly soooooooooo slow, that you can avoid them just by step! It is problem of all artillery and gunners in TW W 1-3

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@Josiah_Trelawny1]

why we never see tzeentch or slaanesh? Are they forbidden in mutliplayer?

[@turinRTS]

Slaanesh soon!

[@lenkalenech3102]

Is there one Thanos quote that isn't memeable ?

[@FantomEx22]

Where is the continuum transfunctioner!?

[@s_moshi11]

how does chameleon blowdart poison slow down a mechanical beast lol

[@Lerpustin]

Cant believe destroyer has only 90 armor. Feels so pathetic. Give it less health or something. Visually one of the most heavily armored monsters should not have less armor than basic infantry soldier

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Basic infantry soldiers don't typically have 90 armor lol, also this is just a stat, and higher hp is better than higher armor.

[@vincent78433]

90 armor is really not that bad it's high enough that non ap attacks really wont do much to it

[@Lerpustin]

@@LuzikArbuzik77 of course i exaggerate. Seeing those simple blowpipes doing that kind of dmg on that thing tho just hurt to witness. I dont know might be better for mp balance but i dont care much for that

[@majormoolah5056]

Doesn't it have 20% Physical Resistance for being Daemonic? Because that is like 30 Armor right there. And focus fire does good damage against single entities because they do not have a block chance from a shield so each attack will hit. And when an attack hits, it is guaranteed to do at least 1 damage.

[@fridericusrex6289]

@@vincent78433 non-AP attacks still do tons of damage against 90 armor, there is a very large difference between 90 and 100 armor (unlike between 0 or 10 armor which is pretty much the same)... this game chamelon skinks (who have low AP stats) killed him, they still do 49.4 % of their damage to him which is certainly enough, it should have 160 armor like empire steam tanks

[@jacksheldon8566]

Is the rocket guided?

[@Quadnt]

how useful is the Deathshriek against Cav?

[@turinRTS]

Not so good imo, better against slow SE

[@TuanHoang-zy7of]

When the Kdaai Destroyer get picked but doesn't make it to the thumbnail, you know that thing sucked that game lol

[@zachhowe98]

The kadais armor is kinda doodoo even though it is literally made out of metal and fire.

[@SlytherpuffHouse]

The fire is too hot and its causing the metal plating to melt down to only 90 Armour. The designer for the Kadai was enslaved once they worked out what a crap job he did, but at that point they had invested too much in the project and just kept making them.

[@chene-aurelgaudreau1072]

Demonic instability really needs to be toned down. I know demons are supposed to be high risk reward, but as it is now, it’s like they just straight up have 1/3 less health than everyone else.

[@ruukinen]

I don't agree. Otherwise we end up with undead "crumbling" mechanic where they barely take any damage in return for being unbreakable. Necromancers with lord of the dead heals faster than crumbling deals damage.

[@quickdraw6893]

@@ruukinen They're two different effects, and undead have vastly greater access to healing than daemons. I think it's fair for undead to crumble quickly but be healable while daemons crumble slower since they can't heal as much. Daemons even have their 20% physical resist (since most of them are pretty light armored) but they probably lose 20%+ of their HP just from crumbling damage so it ends up being moot.

[@frostlight8609]

DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS!

[@wendyanna507]

***WTF! STOP HURTING THANOS, I LOVE HIM! !I WILL HELP THANOS, SO HELP ME JESUS CHRIST!♥️🥰 ***

[@ricardoalarcon5144]

I Do remember Zoltan (Zoltan!!)

[@Draconas]

What I'm learning is that Chaos Dwarfs have some super broken units while simultaneously not have any bad units on the roster either

[@turinRTS]

Iron demons are bad, same with skull crackers

[@beggilax]

ZOLTAN!

[@Ja1n]

ZOLTAN!!!!

[@AurioDK]

When did they nerf the Saurus warriors? ... I remember them being so strong in WH 1.

[@SlytherpuffHouse]

The insane thing is that they got buffed in WH3 when they got rid of their frenzy, but yeah they're just so goddamn feeble at fighting against equivalent cost infantry.

[@TheAJordanB]

Zoltan!

[@MarshallHallenbeck]

Why did it say the destroyer was your lord when it died?

[@ruukinen]

Because it was? The first unit in domination is your lord.

[@thesilverspleen8485]

Because he acidentally chose it as his lord.

[@johndavis2108]

ZOLTAN! Z

[@03Grunt-arrino]

You should start secondary channels for each game. TWW, AOE, CoH. I’d sub to all three.

[@voyager9959]

Considering he has less than 250k subscribers, I don't think that would prove very effective. If Turin had say, a generous 1 million subscribers + at least 500k were consistently watching and interacting, then yeah, but otherwise it could hurt his engagement since he doesn't have the active following of say, TommyKay.

[@03Grunt-arrino]

@@voyager9959 Fair enough. Just want him to be able to put out more videos. Multiple channels may be more money. Either way, we’re helping him be commenting haha. Enjoy your Easter!

[@johnsnow5125]

@@03Grunt-arrino he'll create a channel dedicated to tabletop gaming when Old World is released

[@pierreo7108]

Zultan 😄😄😄😄

[@emadsaberi]

F

[@avrandlane2735]

ONE REASON why i don't like depth guard vampires in this game hate just seeing like 15 to 20 of them just DYING instantly! they really need to fix that since range just destroy depth guard to much as it is due to low model count infantry unit.

[@Dean_Green1489]

ZOLTAN! "Z"