Uncle Zhao & Blimp Force! Greenskins vs Grand Cathay - Total War Warhammer 3

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[@Shaper_of_Fate]

Longtime fan of the channel! proud I've improved my gameplay enough to be worth casting even if its a loss.

[@krisledford8718]

So why the Goblin Big bosses?

[@Shaper_of_Fate]

@@krisledford8718 they will never do enough damage to pay for themselves but they have full capture weight, encourage, and are dirt cheap without abilities or items

[@ardeleanalex6906]

I think more Trolls would have been the way to go. Just replace the Savage Big Uns with Stone Trolls and you should be fine

[@MrUnspellable]

Proud of you!

[@TheNotreally18]

IMO unsummoning the lord should trigger the "Lord fled" penalty. I also think it would be cool to introduce an "Our Lord Returned!" bonus of like +4ish for a short while after a resummon Also, Turin you missed the dreaded troll tactical reserve hanging out deep in the Cathay homefield most of the game

[@darkagerush3098]

Ah nice my game got cast. I tried that build spur of the moment because GS kept overwhelming my bow and gun lines. Thanks for casting!

[@spoof6023]

do you think cathay is okay or do you think they need more? i feel like the shadows of change gave them nothing but i dont play them and im learning right now tbh

[@darkagerush3098]

@spoof6023 shadows of change was really disappointing except for crowmen, which have single handedly moved them up a tier or two imo. Saytang is also completely busted in some fights. The only real issue Cathay has is it needs one more low to middle cost melee infantry and some decent monsters to help it push and it will be close to S tier. Because it lacks those things it can be easy for rush down factions and builds to overwhelm Cathay. Once Cathay can push back a bit better it might even need some nerfs to what it has now.

[@darkagerush3098]

Currently I'd say Cathays rating depends enormously on the map and matchup because of those holes in the roster, but usually mid tier.

[@piotr7805]

Unsummoning the lord should probably give either full, or like a half "lord routed" penalty to the morale until he is resummoned.

[@Dopetv-zd9ov]

Didn't it already do that or am i misremembering?

[@ryancartwright4104]

The Crowmen in the back chased off the Goblin Shaman leader off the map at 10:15 or so, giving that leadership debuff to the Greenskins.

[@WolfHead94]

The Sky Junk's Accuracy looks abysmal! Like even shooting at close targets it seems to overshoot into nothing DX

[@ChocolatePancakeMan]

I think part of that came from it shooting from the top of the hill down the side of it.

[@RYUcaEU]

nah, its Simply trash and its aim is embarassing and def needs buffs​@@ChocolatePancakeMan

[@Wvk5zc]

​@@ChocolatePancakeMan it just needs a buff, dude

[@lilythebard]

The crowmen charging the savage orcs at the end didn't have bombardment/breath support, but at 15:53 you can see the orcs try to keep moving up onto the point. I think that let the crowmen get a flanking bonus and tear through the orcs.

[@thedeadindividualist9581]

Why do you have the MAP flag as your profile?

[@williammitchell6254]

@@thedeadindividualist9581 it looks like the trans flag.

[@thfkmnIII]

​@@williammitchell6254 is a pdo-file

[@thedeadindividualist9581]

@@williammitchell6254 why did they think it is a good idea to design their flag to look like the MAP flag?

[@anthonylittle666]

Wow the Slaanesh bots are quick

[@Weberkooks]

They have strider

[@fiveforbiting]

Immune to psychology as well.

[@stealthsquirrel4900]

Shoutout to the hero of the mortal realms, champion of the old world, Larry The Cable Guy

[@ygreck5909]

Best character from avatar show and best channel for competitv total Warhammer. Period.

[@manedwolf815]

With you on Lord unsummoning with one exception. Tretch Craventail should be allowed to turn and run at every opportunity

[@darthplagueis13]

Goblin characters (not counting Skarsnik) are always so awkward because they'll lose to basically anything, maybe save for super low tier infantry and completely stripped empire spellcasters. It just feels like the budget pick and honestly, I don't know if they're worth it. Sure, they're cost effective, but that's not because they're very effective but because they cost very little. And that just tends to compound the general GS weakness of the entire battle becoming unrecoverable if they lose their initial momentum. Greenskins are the anti-comeback faction, they do well for a very limited span of time and if they haven't won by then, that means they're inevitably going to lose.

[@NRSGuardian]

That is very lore accurate to how Greenskins are portrayed, but I understand how from a gameplay perspective it can be frustrating for a faction to not have a chance as soon as they lose their initial momentum, unless they've already built up a commanding lead.

[@benignsentient6772]

HOW!?!? HOW TURIN??? HOW ARE YOUR THUMBNAILS AND TITLES ALWAYS SO PERFECT!!!!! Been a fan since you were a creative dwarf lover in WH1 and I have never been disappointed.

[@kouvang522]

Uncle Zhao, "Did I ever tell you how I got the name, 'The Dragon of the West?'"

[@therexyogaming]

"I'm not interested in any lengthy anecdotes, Uncle." "It's more of a demonstration, really" proceeds to spam Dragon's Breath spell

[@healinglight333]

Give it up for Grand Cathay! 👏🏻

[@SunlessSage]

First time I see a video pop up in my feed this soon, and the slaanesh bots have already swarmed the comment section. Crazy.

[@gun_hound]

Every video...but the humans are vigilant as well.

[@SunlessSage]

@@gun_hound Absolutely, they're the true defenders of the empire banishing the foul temptations. Sigmar bless 'em!

[@SocalDunedain]

The dreaded blue magic player response

[@gray1shark]

I really wanna see someone use the celestial lion against slaanesh.

[@decay79]

Agree that lords should not be up for unsummon, nor should they be summonable again if they actually fall/flee.

[@spoof6023]

decided to start learning both multiplayer and campaign stuff for cathay. cathay multiplayer video gets posted. like bro

[@Festivejelly]

Cathay player looks like he kept forgetting that he had idle units on the battlefield. Easy to do with lots of chaos.

[@xanman2003]

The sky junks probably also serve as a distraction carnifex of sorts for any army with poor air power and no guns. Great greenskin tech

[@goblin7750]

I feel like get er done wasn’t so obscure maybe that’s just me tho

[@Christian-jl4ln]

Why do I feel like every blue magic player would 100% be abusing tzeench soul grinders right now!!!! Hahaha

[@bxzidffbxzidff]

Any plans for more 2v2 tournaments? They were a lot of fun to watch

[@JesuskoSupaChloor]

Do you think it would make sense to create a mode in WH3 similar to Total War: Arena?

[@benmallett1552]

Turin you mean Uncle Iroh! (Admiral Zhao is a vvv different character)

[@xensan76]

He's talking about the Cathay LL.

[@williammitchell6254]

@@xensan76 yah i think the comment is a joke

[@Batton]

I'm not sure about the values, i think it's -16 leadership for the death of a lord and -8 for a lord fleeing Perhaps lord unsummoning could trigger lord fleeing penalty ?

[@gsauwce5488]

Blimp Bizkit!

[@Blecco]

How is the Barge after the hot fix? Still insane?

[@MrEddieLomax]

I originally destroyed full Breton army of 10k losing 40% health, now when I just blundered it in it did ~40% damage before it went down. Much weaker, although I wonder what it would have done if properly played.

[@arcadius2569]

No shooting or characters for Cathay is interesting. Giving me some ideas

[@Mr_Giraffe989]

4:11 He did what now?

[@VasRoof]

DarkAgeRush the Delhi enjoyer❤

[@marbles863]

I feel like unsummoning Lords should be removed from all factdions except the Skaven, cause it's lore accurate lol.

[@doorag_bill]

Yee

[@pierre-yvesmaertens1482]

The guy in the thumbnail is iroh

[@v.zoster7660]

DarkAgeRush from AOE community?

[@maximilianovazquez9988]

You know, I´m not sure I agree with them geting rid of lord unsummon. Honestly, it´s a tactical decision. But I do think they should nerf it somehow. Make it give tue "lord fled" leadership debuf, and make the proces take longer perhaps?

[@JonesyMcDanes]

Lords should definitely be unsummonable since lots of lords in WH run away, but there should definitely be a steep army wide leadership penalty for it.

[@animewarrior3]

Diagree about lord unsomming. Its very lore friendly and often generals. If injured, would retreat from the field.

[@turinRTS]

But would they magically teleport into the ether, and would their troops not be negatively effected by the absence of a leader?

[@RYUcaEU]

finally some poor abandoned Cathay content 😭😭❤️❤️ always a pleasure to see some non-meta factions with low wr% having some love! Thx uncle Turin❤️🗿

[@florians9949]

I think you shouldn’t be abble to resummon your lord or heroes.

[@butmunch19121993]

agree should stop lord unsummon

[@MyronGainz]

Big agree! Lord unsummon should be removed.

[@brightonhansford3926]

Not sure how a Lord being able to flee from the battlefield "breaks immersion". And you still get the Lord (thats really integral and often too expensive to resummon) off the field, thats still a huge reward.

[@N0ahface]

Because you don't get a -12 LD penalty for retreating off the middle of the battlefield, but you get it when they run off the side

[@brightonhansford3926]

@@N0ahface well ya. Withdrawing a unit/character would be equivalent to a tactical withdraw which is completely different than a route (routing or breaking in game). So why would units lose leadership? Also, the leadership penalty isn't the only metric of punishment for a lord leaving the battlefield. By punishing an enemy's Lord heavily (like they are only a couple hits from death), you've effectively left your opponent with roughly three options; A.) keep the Lord on the battlefield far beyond the battlefield which means the gold invested into the Lord is now wasted and the things the Lord brings to the value of the army (like combat prowess, magic, abilities, etc) becomes useless. B.) risk leaving the Lord (who has been punished and assumedly accrued like no value) on the battlefield and risk getting killed or routed and suffering heavy leadership penalties. And even if they leave it on the battlefield their options of engagement have become severely limited. This can also increase the opponent's required micro. C.) Unsummon the Lord and now the gold and the abilities of that Lord are wasted. You have to wait until they heal, and you put the opponent in a dilemma to have to respend the gold to resummon making the Lord that much more economically ineffective overall.

[@Erebus2075]

unsummoning and resummoning should not work on lords and heroes; (and should be way more needed on the rest off the army. want to see 3k point fights where keeping a unit alive to resummon is a Big thing and holding your lord/heroes back for the important things instead off nonestop throwing them wherever they can fight is a thing; it would also make orcs, skavens, and low leadership faction utilize the retreat off their units to unsummon much much better giving a far greator sense off a "SWARM" that keeps comming, instead off having their elite and SE be as powerfull as factions which are supposed to have SE off absolutely terrible porportions) they are not units you can just switch with a healthy backup off same unit :P and it would allow targeting them to be less gambling, or pointless if just resummoned

[@Erebus2075]

or you could unsummon it, bc it flees from the battle, but not resummon and the lord penalties should be permanent whether unsommon or dead (little heavier if dead to incentive unsommon oppose to death; though most races death would give far more morale; honestly human like races should have a temporately huge boost to vigor when a lord or hero dies near them, at least Dwarfs should channel that anger and grudge into some bonus in killing :P )

[@daegon1985]

I came here to watch cathnese git r done

[@SneakyBeeBuzzBuzz]

First!

[@Marlerc11]

I get the idea of banning lord unsummoning, but should the penalty for losing a goblin be the same as losing a dragon kid? I would be panicking as s much if some dumb guy died vs. the dragon emperor son who is almost a God to my peasant mind

[@Petterwass]

How is Cathay these days. is Formation Attack still bad and should be turned off?

[@Erebus2075]

12:28 cav+inf full hp regiments just sitting there looking at the point and their friends getting slaughtered :P i so wish that rts's won't equal to "zero AI behaviour allowed ", seems silly and breaks immersion and pushes heavy APM focus, which does nothing but stress the brain and destroy the joints :/ :P

[@Erebus2075]

13:46 upper right corner; another cav just sitting there doing nothing for a long time :P at least let people set really points on summoned units xD and we could call it reinforce instead off summon, maybe ;P

[@Weberkooks]

CA nerf slaanesh bots they are way too fast