Turrican 3 (Amiga) and Mega Turrican (Mega Drive) | Comparison - Dual Longplay

[@Chicomite]

As an American, I feel like we missed out so badly with the Amiga, you never heard of those here, back in the day. It's like Europe got their own Mega Super 16 bit console/computer that we had no idea about. I bet the library is huge, too.

[@Holothurion]

The library IS huge. We certainly missed a lot of titles (both exclusive and ports) here on this continent back then, along with those on the MSX, X68000 and FM Towns. But, hey! At least we have emulation nowadays. Better late than never. 😄

[@afriend9428]

*Mega Drive = GENESIS* 💡

[@Ezyasnos]

The Amiga made the PC look like a stone age tool, and the first one came out in 1985, 4 years before the Megadrive (though you need some memory expansion to run this). My cousins had an Amiga. We had a pc at home 😭

[@Holothurion]

@@Ezyasnos The same goes for the Atari ST.

[@Gggrrrrrrrr23]

Oh boy was the library huge, everyone had disk file cabinets full of pirated games back then and used to trade with each other. Graphic adventure games were big back then, monkey Island 1 and 2 shaped my life... Beneath a steel sky, Simon the Sourcerer.. Too many good games to mention..

[@Ch1n4m4nn]

Stage 1 from the Megadrive is my main ringtone for my mobile :D Absolute brilliant game! Still have it for the Megadrive. Box, game and manual. Quite worth some money as I saw the other day...

[@SeekerLancer]

I prefer the Genesis/MD's graphics for this one but the Amiga's sound is superior. You can't go wrong with either. The game was originally programmed for the Mega Drive so I think it's more at home there.

[@DJ_Dopamine]

Yes, Amiga games that were originally designed for the A500 chipsets' abilities (and limitations) usually looked and/or ran a lot better than a game that was a PC or console port.

[@robchissy]

turrican 3 on the amiga came out in 1993, on the megadrive it was 1994, turrican 1 and 2 were made for the amiga

[@MacMelmac]

I think the MD sound is a lot better, much clearer and with a better bass.

[@shannonbirt9267]

@@MacMelmac I agree MD was clearly superior here in the audio , if you listen to both you wonder where half the sound went on the amiga as the 4 channel limit clearly shows. Samples are nice and clear on the amiga but they are high quality on the genesis here also .

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

@@robchissySo? The game was still made originally for the Megadrive, it just was released later. It's even written in the credits that the Amiga is a port of the original code.

[@mick1811]

If I recall Turrican 3 was designed to run on a non expanded a500 with 512k of ram, not a bad port considering it was all loaded from a single floppy disk and load times were minimal.

[@Ezyasnos]

@@madcommodore Though there are quite a few Amiga games that do a very good job with parallax scrolling somehow. I mean, Lionheart, Kid Chaos and Mr. Nutz have quite nice horizontal and vertical parallax scrolling, and Jim Power, Agony and Shadow of the Beast have quite nice horizontal parallax scrolling.

[@Ezyasnos]

@@madcommodore That's why I stated 'somehow'. The Amiga has a different 'toolset' for putting and modifying graphics on screen than gameconsoles and arcade machines, more or less dedicated to animation. The games I mentioned show this toolset is capable enough to render good looking 2d games with parallax scrolling that is pretty much on par with the Megadrive. Though I do think Turrican 3 is a good showcase for showing the Megadrive to be more well-suited for running these type of games than the Amiga, I also see that the Megadrive version had just that little bit more 'time in the oven' to be more polished. And btw., it's not like the programmers don't need every trick in the book to make Megadrive games look good.

[@Ezyasnos]

@@madcommodore I don't think it was just lazy programming, I think it was rushed programming. I'm a programmer myself, and when I see the quality difference between my code that is rushed, and my code that is well thought out, cleaned and tweaked, I shed a tear. Not just a tear, no, a 'native-American-seeing-pollution'-kind of tear.

[@MGForums]

@@madcommodore I loved the A500 and A1200, like you said though it’s a real shame they didn’t utilise the hardware, especially sad is the AGA chipset hardly being exploited at all 😭. Anyway I just wanted to ask your opinion on pixel shade’s street fighter 2 demo, if you have one I’d be interested to hear it.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

@@madcommodore I agree. I am a C64 ex scener and I like how programmers managed to squeeze every possible cycle out of the machine and games became progressively better. Things are much different when I think about the Amiga (I played pretty much every single game that came put): once we discard all the shitty Atari ST conversions, what's left is usually good looking and good sounding, but usually fell apart game play wise. Even with emulation, to be honest I don't think many Amiga games are worth my time nowadays. Given the hardware capabilities, games should have been so much better, but instead of getting better games over time, we ended up with shovelware for the most part.

[@spacefractal]

Mega Drive wins on the graphics and Amiga on the sound. Its a two great games. Amiga port is still a high console quality game! Im owned the Amiga version of the game back in the days. Btw this game was designed with Mega Drive in mind and ported to Amiga, but got released on Amiga first. Super Turrican on the SNES, while good, but also got cut a lots of content out to fit on a 512kb cartridge. That game ends after stage 4 and then story does not make sense at all and a lots of bosses is missing.

[@DenOndeBoss]

Best music and sound is clearly Amiga but graphics is better on MD. The backgrounds on Amiga seems so empty and dull in many places compared to MD. Also much better use of color on MD. The stage with the planes is also more dynamic because the planes are actually moving :D

[@123doomdoom]

@Guser Tyubie I agree the music in the Genesis version is way more epic.

[@ssdravidian]

This game was made for the megadrive ....it looked (slightly) better on the megadrive with more colours and fx. It however sounded way better on the Amiga with its 7 channels and voices.......but what I am mindblown about is this game was ported brilliantly on the Amiga.....played smoothly and held its own graphic wise on an older chipset/hardware.....Amiga forever man !!!!!

[@bigfoot5185]

Hhhhhh One button vs 6 button I just bought amiga it good but its handicap console man playing with 1 button shiit garbag man jumping by up controller totaly on amiga you can't enjoying playing any games Sega is with button for jump button fire button special power like arcade Loading is too slow

[@ssdravidian]

@@bigfoot5185 Sure...but thats how Amiga's are, we are not comparing superiority of one system over the other, we are comparing the game....and i think with the older hardware, the Amiga 500 pulled of the port brilliantly.....Remember Amiga 500 is atleast 5 years older than the megadrive.....that is what you need to appreciate.....Megadrive is specifically for games...Amiga is not.....also you can configure multi button controllers on Amiga like the CD 32 controller and others.....you cant do that on megadrive

[@Elbas_Tardo]

@@bigfoot5185 Men Amiga got keyboard, with more buttons. :D You got a lot of games in Amiga, and you cant play graphic adventures good, with a keypad. Games could be developed in Amiga for Sega but not vice versa.

[@jimkrom]

​@@bigfoot5185the one button crap is a lie. Amiga did support multiple buttons on controllers and/or joysticks, the problem was devs who were making games for both it and the Atari ST which did not support multiple buttons, targeting the lower system which was the ST. There are more than enough games that support multiple buttons on the Amiga, Aladdin being one example. Also, joysticks of the era, despite having multiple buttons, had them all hardwired as one button, no matter which one you pressed, again targeting the ST.

[@grumpyoldgeezr]

Amiga version is great.. remember this is on an original Amiga 500, released in early 1987, a multi-media focused home computer not primarily intended as a games machine (but users made it into one).

[@vapourmile]

Multimedia didn't exist until the PC CD-ROM generation. The Amiga WAS designed as a games machine. It had a slow 1979 CPU and support hardware which was good for nothing but 2D sprite games.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

@@vapourmileTry to read better what he said, he didn't say the Amiga was not designed to play games, he said it was not its PRIMARILY purpose, and that's true. And it could play music and display images, that already qualifies as multimedia.

[@vapourmile]

@@youuuuuuuuuuutube But a Sinclair Spectrum can play music and display images too. Almost any home computer has been able to since the 1970s.

[@friedpicklezzz]

@@vapourmilethe Amiga didn’t have a “1979” CPU.

[@vapourmile]

@@friedpicklezzz Lol. No, you're wrong, it absolutely did The 68000 was an old archaic 70s processor of the 8bit era. Look it up. The Amiga CPU was already six years old the day the Amiga was released. Ancient in computer terms. I bet you don't use a 6 year old PC, and if you do it's slow. What's also true is speed increase from generation to generation was far more rapid in the 1980s than it is now.

[@oldschoolgaming3338]

wooooh MD !!!! this console remain a legend

[@retronostalgic]

Overall I prefer the Amiga version cos of the better, more professional sound. And also the fact that the Amiga version was cheaper to buy back in 1994. Megadrive cartridge would've set you back £40. But I bought this for my Amiga in 1994 and it only cost £15

[@rarchangelo]

Amiga's version is like a prototype of the Mega Drive's version

[@000jimbojones000]

The Game was around 800 Kb. back then ;-) Todays turrican clone.. 120 MB.

[@sloppynyuszi]

That’s actually quite frustrating. Want to buy a cool looking retro game on your phone for a laugh and it’s 500mb. Even the old Mega Drive games for some reason are an 80mb download. No way the branded borders and touch control UI ads that much memory to a 500kb-1mb game. That ads up. Especially for someone who hates their apps on their phone like me 😎

[@wphanoo]

because most modern game programmers are lazy assholes, they just try to make some cash even if in 99.9% case they only get a few bucks

[@000jimbojones000]

@@wphanoo nah thats not always the case... The truth is in the middle.. they simply dont have to.. We have memory and raw Cpu power in plenty. If you want you could do a complete level backdrop in Photoshop and export it as a 10-20 MB PNG File. Back then you had to save every bit to get the game running on your tile based gfx. Today you have almost everything "unlimited" Sprites? Ha.. i doo 500 at once no problem. ;-) And of course its a lot easier today with all the gameengines you can choose from. Back then most of the tricks are only pulled of by pure assembler coding.

[@cyberpc1333]

MD is active new games in 2021, imortal 16bits console.

[@o-datsingh7296]

Which new games??? I wanna know

[@pipikakachu]

O-Dat Singh Paprium

[@o-datsingh7296]

@@pipikakachu oh shit yea.. I forgot

[@pipikakachu]

O-Dat Singh I got an old dusty Genesis. If this game is not emulated soon, I think I’ll buy it

[@o-datsingh7296]

@@pipikakachu listen bro... That game is way tooooo expensive....imma hold fire for minute longer for the ROM to drop... I play and emulate everything on the nvidia shield now...

[@sledgehammer1603]

Mega Drive Wins !

[@sunnyssundries]

Definately not in sound, and Turrican 2 puts both to shame.

[@helvio2547]

@@sunnyssundries Amiga computer audio much better than any video game

[@werewolfh7252]

Amiga

[@markoragnos6757]

Before you even compare this you have to know a little bit about the history of these systems. Amiga was designed in 82/83. Launched 85. Megadrive was launched in 88. Amiga in design, Architecture, vision power was leaps and bounds ahead of its rivals. Testament to that is a comparison to a game running on a hardware released 3 years later. There is no comparison. Amiga wins by that factor hands down.

[@DerBingoBongo]

Amiga-Version: one Disk with 880kb!

[@litjellyfish]

Also hardware made for this type of games. Amiga was more general purpose. Still Megadrive wins as the game is better.

[@igodreamer7096]

Such beautiful game for the Mega Drive library!

[@cgmonkey]

The zoom on the title screen is crazy

[@snelieacks140]

I love the terminator post apocalyptic atmosphere of level 3 but the amiga version seems to lack color and rain animation.

[@spitzspitzer6117]

1993 ... I still have my A600 with me and never will sell it... best personal computer ever.

[@ManosGryparis]

AMIGA FOREVER!

[@krysfox5941]

Well, this turrican 3 version is not that bad on amiga but they could have done better on Amiga, same as megadrive, i guess the issue on the Amiga was production cost and time (floppy disks), compared to the megadrive platform with better hardware making the game easier to develop on it. My dream would be to have some independent coders ,programers who could update this turrican 3 on the Amiga 500 (or the Amiga 1200).

[@DehnusNorder]

People also forget that the Megadrive could push sprites around the screen like no tomorrow :P.

[@MudSluggerBP]

Surprised by how much better the backgrounds look on Mega Drive 👍🏻

[@andyukmonkey]

The Mega Drive doesn't have to compromise anything to do 2 layers of scrolling but the Amiga would have a much reduced colour count if it used it's 2 playfield mode (something like 8 colours per layer. So I think the Amiga is just using a single layer with 32 colours and copper effects for the backgrounds.

[@leomonz]

8:04. I didn’t know Yoshi was the voice actor there

[@tmo_m92]

one of my favorite Sega Mega Drive games ♥

[@DamienThierry-d9i]

A little superior graphics for Megadrive but a so much better audio for the Amiga! Thanks to the audio chip "Paula" in the Commodore Amiga. Music compositor : Chris Hulsbeck (turrican 2, Apydia, Jim Power,.....)

[@DehnusNorder]

Really showed what Meg could do later in her life. She was still keeping up with machines 5 times her price. Without adding any chips. And remember, the audio line goes through the cart, it would have been trivial to introduce on cart sound mixing it into the signal. And the two expansions really were not necessary, especially the 32x was too much. The MegaCD should have been launched earlier in the west, as it was now? It was too late compared to Japan. The SVP chip could have easily kept up with the SFX2 chip as well, just the 32X was the monstrosity that never should have been. Like a very early Saturn prototype, that was released to the public lol .

[@vapourmile]

It's a fucking games machine. Please don't call it "she".

[@DehnusNorder]

@@vapourmile Nobody tells Meg to shut up! NOBODY! And Meg is a she! Nothing wrong with that, you just can't handle her chosen gender. PS: Are we not allowed to call the Amiga, Amiga anymore either? (see if you get it).

[@vapourmile]

@@DehnusNorder Lol. That's dumb. We call the Amiga the Amiga because that is what it is called. We don't call the Atari 800 "amiga" So it's no comparison. The MegaDrive is a machine. It isn't a person. It doesn't have a gender.

[@DehnusNorder]

@@vapourmile Don't tell others what to do. and Amiga literally means "Girlfriend" in Spanish, that's why I said it. But I guess you're one of those "I HATE WOKE!" folks so it pisses you off that for some people it is a bit more than a Machine. Also the Atari 8 bit line of computers is basically a Proto Amiga. It shares quite a bit with the architecture with dedicated hardware for graphics and sound and how it interacts with everything. It also shares a lot of the same engineers behind it.

[@vapourmile]

@@DehnusNorder No. It just isn't a she. It's a it. It's a thing.

[@leighbyford635]

Graphics to the Megadrive by a reasonable margin but they are still pretty decent on the Amiga too. The sound I would tie. The parts where the amiga software mixes 7 channels ( e.g intro and ending ) are much better than the Megadrive but for the in game I lean just towards the Megadrive. The action tunes sound better on Megadrive and the atmospheric tunes sound better on the Amiga. Gameplay id assume is better on the megadrive as it so much smoother ( 60 fps vs 25 ) and more creatures , explosions and more frantic arcade like feel. Overall it pretty close though both look really fun. Welcome back Silenig, you do the best port comparisons.

[@DeskoDev]

Funny thing is, T3 doesn't even use 7 voices as far as I'm aware - the only Turrican game to use 7v at all that is T2, and as you mentioned, only for the title screen and ending plus the high score screen. Also, both games normally run at 50FPS - the US Genesis release is an outlier.

[@leighbyford635]

@@DeskoDev I didn't know that. I kind of assumed its 7 channels as it sounds like more instruments playing together than usual amiga music which can be quite stop / start with the instruments. Is the 1st stage a remix of the Turrican 2 intro music? The FPS looks a fair bit smoother on the Sega. You can just perceive horizontal update on the amiga. I wonder that even if the vertical refresh is 50 whether it updates the picture every 2 frame. I assume a game can run on a division of the vertical refresh. Colour count is a bit lower on the amiga too, excluding the copper backgrounds on some stages but they are more of a placeholder than a graphical improvement.

[@DeskoDev]

@@leighbyford635 The reason why the Sega version looks smoother here is because, on top of having scrolling that just looks better than on Amiga, they used the Genesis (60Hz) version for comparison here. It'd be a lot closer if both games were running in PAL. Still, the Mega Drive version is definitely the better overall. Another note is that the MD version had extra development time, so while Stage 1-2 became a secret in the MD version a lot of other minor things were done to polish the gameplay, like making the plasma rope default to diagonally upwards instead of straight forward (a late release candidate from May of '93, a bit over a year before release, has it act the way it does on Amiga).

[@leighbyford635]

@@DeskoDev ok cool. Thanks for teaching me about that :)

[@Galahadfairlight]

@@DeskoDev incorrect. Most Hueslbeck title music since Turrican 2 on Amiga are 7 channel. Jim Power is another.

[@RetroGames4K]

Mega Drive Wins... Excellent...

[@lumpcrittergravy]

I'm seeing people say they like the Amiga version for the sound and the Mega Drive version for the graphics. Well the Anthology has it where you can play both versions and the Director's Cut. Well The Director's Cut version you can listen to the Medga Drive, Amiga, or Remade version of the music. So you can get the best of both worlds now on one single game.

[@tomstills5146]

There was me thinking Mega Turrican was a dumbed-down, polished Turrican-esque game. Now this is a good example of how a boot should be done.

[@moregamemusic]

30:17 I always see this as the destroyed robot from the first level of Turrican 2 on Amiga.

[@metalcoola]

You also fight Giant Fist from Turrican 1 1-2, no wonder it's scrapyard world :)

[@TonimanGalvez]

I like the graphics of both versions, I see better backgrounds on MD, but for the sound, I really like how the Amiga version sounds, never het into the MD music in this game (for me it sounds very strange on MD).

[@ezequielranne3558]

The music of SEGA 16-Bit is spectacular and much remembered and appreciated in the field of video games! *(Las musicas de SEGA 16-Bit son espectaculares y muy recordadas y apreciadas en el ambito de los video juegos!)*

[@TonimanGalvez]

@@ezequielranne3558 is a personal opinion. Enjoy your MD music.

[@ezequielranne3558]

@@TonimanGalvez You mean it is your personal taste! It is not your opinion! because the SEGA version much better, because This one has emotion, soul; While the Amiga version is of better sound quality, but not more than that. Enjoy your AMIGA music:) *(Querrás decir que es tu gusto personal !No es tu opinión! porque la versión de SEGA mucho mejor, pues Esta tiene emoción, alma; Mientras que la versión de Amiga es de mejor calidad sonora, pero no más que eso. Disfrute su música de AMIGA:)*

[@euripidoeuropoide5943]

@@ezequielranne3558 No diría de mejor calidad a la de Amiga sino solo con más o diferentes instrumentos sampleados (Amiga solo samplea no genera síntesis FM) Pero no suena de más calidad ya que se escucha ahogado y comprimido (más en algunos stages) 32:01 Amiga 32:13 Megadrive No se puede decir bajo ningún parámetro que Amiga suena mejor

[@mikeloher7231]

Amiga sound hört sich selbst im September 2024 noch sehr gut an. Zeitlos eben.

[@CCfiftyeight]

Sadly there was no aga version. The limitation to an more or less naked A500 was imho no longer up to date

[@leighbyford635]

I doubt an AGA version would have looked much better.

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@leighbyford635 If used correctly, an AGA version could have looked much better.

[@leighbyford635]

@@paul1979uk2000 colour me extremely dubious ;)

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@leighbyford635 I don't know why, the Amiga 1200 had around 16 million colours and could display 256 onscreen, far more than the Mega Drive could do. Unfortunately, not many games took advantage of it.

[@leighbyford635]

@@paul1979uk2000 in single play field it could do 256. Here , in dual play field it’s 31 colour’s on AGA. You can use the copper to line swap colour etc but it’s still limited. The sprites are still 8 hardware . The Bobs are still dependent on a blitter that wasn’t upgraded. The segas VDP has much more data bandwidth than the blitter has. If a modern programmer with modern Dev tools took the time ,then your right. It could have been a lot better but the same logic holds for the megadrive too. Probably the main issue is that the Amiga isn’t tile based for rendering. That’s good as it makes it really flexible but it’s bad for 2d action arcade games because it takes much more math to render.

[@leomonz]

MD clearly won.. but I am impressed by AMIGA more for porting into limited hardware and still look and play good.

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

I disagree. The voice synth of the Amiga is clean compared to the Mega Drive. Also the spites on the Mega Drive look dithered down with compression. There might be more tiles there on the MD but the Amiga does a better job rendering. For an eye-candy experience I prefer the Amiga, for cheaper plays the MD. I would say they are even overall.

[@n00bprof82]

@Ray Lane this is detail about their hardware. Although I was wrong about AMIGA hardware, they are similar but apart from CPU, other factors also affect the final results.

[@Bashento]

25:17 Man, the octopus on the Sega Genesis looks awesome!

[@silentrocco]

T3 was great but didn‘t fully understand Trenz‘s Turrican universe. Apart from the amazing music, it all felt a little off. Too big sprites, too small levels, the hook was weird, I was pretty disappointed back in the day. T2 still holds up to this date as a milestone in gaming.

[@SelfIndulgentGamer]

Totally agree about Turrican 2 :)

[@FrankNFurter1000]

Amiga was really the king for Turrican versions until this instalment, where MD wins. But Turrican 3 for Amiga is still impressive!

[@crystalwater505]

Strange, I don't remember that song in the Mega Drive version of level 1-2 being in my copy of the game. It was completely different and sounded like it did on the Amiga version instead. Then I again I had Mega Turrican NTSC maybe pal's version has different music in some places. That song is awesome though.

[@anonymoususind]

Nah they didn't I played both. The 1-2 in the MD one is the secret level but on Amiga it's a regular level

[@crystalwater505]

@@anonymoususind Ah, I see. Thanks!

[@crzyruskie86]

Is this where they got the characters from Rock N Roll Racing?! Looks like a really fun game and the soundtrack is awesome as well.

[@inceptional]

Well, you can see and hear the various upgrades and improvements across the board in the Genesis version. It would have been interesting to see and hear how a proper version of this specific game for SNES would have fared, especially if all its particular features were used fully on top of what's already there (like the third and potentially even forth background layers in places for example). I guess there's Super Turrican, but it's not really the same game, and even that doesn't push certain aspects of the SNES fully either.

[@tomaskonvicka4135]

MD better graphics, Amiga better music.

[@123doomdoom]

Hell no, Amiga music is good but it can't touch Mega and Super.

[@cesarhenrxr]

I agree!

[@warlockentertainment1192]

Amiga audio is so superior that the difference is embarrassing :D

[@tomaskonvicka4135]

@@warlockentertainment1192 Overall, I prefer the sound of the C64. In a lot of games they squeezed some nice music out of FM synthesis. Chris Huelsbeck did a good job in Turrican. Genesis lovers will hate me, but Sonic has a great intro, Greenlend's music is superb, but the second level is terrible. Same with Streets of Rage - excellent music overall, but the attempt at jazz in the club is terrible. Some of the instrument combinations sound fine. the sampled sounds sound terrible, I get tears in my ears when I hear it :)

[@123doomdoom]

@Ray Lane yep

[@vincent.bouvelle]

I don't understand the absence of background on the first levels of the Amiga version while they are present on the other levels....it makes no sense...Maybe a disk capacity issue?

[@krysfox5941]

production cost and time, if not, it would have been too many floppies disks taking more time and more expensive

[@KorenLesthe]

I really miss the soundtrack variants of the Amiga version on the Megadrive. The entire 5-1 track is missing and it contributed to feel like something is getting much more serious when the 5-2 theme starts. Also not having The Machine final boss theme is sad.

[@StrikerTheHedgefox]

The 5-1 track isn't actually missing, it's used for the secret stage in Mega Turrican.

[@dimdim2203]

They deliberately made the Amiga version look underwhelming, that's clear. Those who have it know how capable a graphics engine it is, and what it can do. But for commercial reasons they made it seem below our expectations. That's all.

[@FightingWarrior]

Amiga version is good, but MegaDrive one is better

[@eaMCMLXXIX]

I would say the Megadrive Verion was bad and with the Amiga one gets worse. The visual design of part three was a downgrade compared with part one and two.

[@solarflare9078]

@@eaMCMLXXIX And the actual game wasn't

[@helvio2547]

Amiga's audio is killer. The Amiga's much larger color palette does not stand out. The program itself for the Megadrive seems better done

[@TheInfinitea]

Def prefer the Amiga version. The md background is just too busy and the multi level parallax adds more depth.

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

and the spites look dithered on the MD. Yet the MD was limited in it own right. Carts are expensive to produce, the voice synth was just not up to the standard of the Amiga. Sega wanted to make the game seem like it has more eye-candy then it really does, i.e the dithering and compression.

[@javaykirk2688]

Genesis was better. Super turrican on the snes was better than turrican 3 on the amiga.

[@afriend9428]

*I love both!* ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[@turbinegraphics16]

Pretty good conversion, some bits of the amiga have a bit better colours and the later levels repeat the tiles a bit compared to contra hard corps.

[@amenophis57]

amiga best audio

[@illegalquantity]

This is a not really good port for the Amiga. Amiga can perform much more better. If this is a 1MB game, 2 or 3 disks, it would be the same as the Sega version or even better. Prince Of Persia Amiga version needs 1 MB with weaker graphics and sound. The Sega developers did a really great job! Adding that if the Sega version doesn't exist, the Amiga Turrican 3 is a very good game in itself, recieving 62-90% from video game magazines.

[@cybermx8896]

I'd like to see a MSU modificacion on megadrive with audio CD quality!!!!!!!!!

[@bitsnbobsbobsnbits368]

The amiga version I like a bit more because of the music

[@rafanowacki2260]

Amiga 1200 - Turrican II - kzbin.info/www/bejne/opvdenegrrybsLs

[@NR-rv8rz]

Amiga Turrican 1 and 2 had better graphics than Turrican 3 on the Amiga. Would love to have a 2021 PC update.

[@lovepiece6485]

DATEEAST is wonderful !

[@iXien]

Data East is just a publisher here. Factor 5 is wonderful 🤩

[@nickgatrell5019]

Very interesting that greens pop brighter on the mega drive than the Amiga version! I know the Amiga had 4096 colour palette I don’t know the mega drive number of colours?

[@DenisExgardian]

512 colours

[@DJ_Dopamine]

Mega Drive = 64 colours from 512 Amiga A500 = 64* colours from 4096 (in EHB mode = Extra Half Bright mode, where you had any 32 colours, plus a further 32 that were half as bright). Though in reality, the Amiga A500 could display hundreds of colours on screen at once using colour interrupts and also the copper. But the programmer needed to know his stuff. An example being the platform game 'Brian The Lion'. There was also the HAM mode (Hold And Modify) that could display a static image of up to all 4096 colours at once. One game (Links Golf I think it was) used the HAM mode to draw the greens/backgrounds of the golf courses and then they used the regular 32 or 64 colour mode on top of that for the hud, golfer and the ball etc. (things that had to move quickly). It worked well, but ran slowly unless you installed it onto a hard drive (which very few A500 owners actually had at the time).

[@balorduomo]

@@DJ_Dopamine beside Links I also recall Pioneer Plague running in the HAM mode

[@stephandolby]

@@DJ_Dopamine Mega Drive is technically 61 as each of the four 16-colour palettes shares the same transparent colour, but it also benefits from shadow/highlight, though not to the full (and implied) 183 colour count due to some repetition. Traveller's Tales managed 148 on the stills in _Toy Story_ but it required a combination of all four palettes as well as clever selection of the initial palette colours in order to avoid too much duplication in S/H mode.

[@danielnicolini2841]

La mejor versión es la de Sega, supera a la versión de amiga y snes, las imágenes lo dicen todo, realmente un juegazo para Sega

[@felixinoa2182]

creo que todas la versiones se ven feas.🤢🤮🤢🤮

[@alubaldini]

Jaja aun no comprendes que en sega estuvo ausente el 1 y 2 y la versión de sega e sin port del 3 de amiga y lo peor ese port salió un año después ósea no les dieron ni el 1 ni el 2 claro como decir que mortal kombat 2 es mejor que el 1 ajja

[@danielnicolini2841]

@@alubaldini me quedo con la versión de sega. Claro turican 2 para SNES es otra cosa

[@alubaldini]

@@danielnicolini2841 no lo he jugado crecí más con snes tenho snes y sega veee si compro una flash cart de esa pra sega

[@MrSnapy1]

Kinda surprised the graphics go to the Genesis if only it had the Amiga sound engine.... At least you didn't have to swap out disks on the Genesis.

[@benjaminzuniga5750]

Idk man, I preferer the Genesis soundtrack, gotta love the FM patches and the fantastic sample drum quality. The Amiga version is pretty neat too, I preferer a couple of stages themes on the Amiga version

[@leighbyford635]

Why surprised. Nearly every 2d action game looks better on a MD. With a few exceptions like Shadow of the Beast.

[@somethingoriginal1707]

The Genesis can display up to 64 colors simultaneously + highlight/shadow, while the base Amiga is limited to 32 + 32 HB colors. I also think the Genesis version sounds better with the louder drums, but that's up to personal preference.

[@leighbyford635]

@@somethingoriginal1707 Its a bit more complicated than a direct colour comparison. The A500 generally only shows 15 colours on screen in 2D 2 playfield ( i.e Parallax). So 8 for one layer, 7 for the other including all sprites and Bobs. It can do 32 if one playfield. The Copper chip can add a colour gradient for free, which is why so many Amiga games have these colour bar backgrounds. The Megadrive can do 64 but it cannot just pick 64 random colours out of its 512. It can do 2 16 colour palettes for the 2 layers. So 32 in theory for backgrounds but you have to select from a 32 colour palette and its unlikely you will use them all. Another 2 x 16 palettes for sprites. So while theoretically the MD is better the way it makes you use them is less versatile. The Amiga can do better stills with Ham 4096 colours but that's not useful in games really. The Megadrives main advantage for 2D side scrolling games is that it uses Tiles instead of Bitmaps. All arcade machine display using tiles. Its a more efficient but less versatile way to display graphics. Its excellent for 2D side scrolling Arcade games but not good for games that don't fit that mould. That's why it runs at 60 fps vs AMigas 25 fps and has so many more sprites etc flying around. The MD is purpose built and better suited to 2D scrolling games. The Amiga is better for pretty well any other kind of game. Still , 99% of the arcade games we wanted were 2d scrollers at the time

[@cloudskipa]

This game was made for Mega Drive and hence is the best version. Amiga got a lovely port though.

[@thehumbleone1983]

Love both the Amiga and Mega drive but I ❤️ Mega Turrican for the Sega mega drive more 👍🔉🕹🕹🕹🔉👍

[@Trunchisholm]

The sound quality for the Amiga recording used in this comparison is terrible. Here's a proper version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp_Tfo1ja9msrNk

[@DeskoDev]

I think you messed up here - you played the two games in different display standards. MD is running in 60HZ and Amiga is running at 50, when both versions were designed around the latter refresh rate. On top of being faster than intended, the music pitch is slightly off on an NTSC MD compared to PAL MDs and T3.

[@ragoshgames]

I played Super Turrincan from Super Nintendo

[@derekbuckler9888]

Oh good God, seriously? I can't believe people are trashing the Genesis, which even the famed developer treasure said has one of the fastest processor's around. And I completely disagree on the sound, or the music for that matter. This is one of the best Genesis games period, right along with Thunder force 4. In the hands of the right developers, the Genesis did amazing things. It's not just the amazing graphics, or multiple lines of parallax scrolling. But the music is incredible, I could also mention M.U.S.H.A.

[@cyberfennek]

snes version theme sounds so good 11:47

[@matiasd.7755]

Get out of here! These is between blast processing 68k cpu based machines!!

[@meh78336]

If you asked me without seeing and hearing this I would have said MD for gfx and Amiga for sound, but I have to say, the Amiga music wasn't exactly that great, if anything it sounded worse at times than the MD and at best only slightly better depending on taste. I never played this game back in the day though I was fan of the original 2 on my Amiga which were better than the crappy console ports (if I recall they made T2 into a universal soldier game) with actual head and shoulders better music (T2 title music is still among my favourite game music of all time). Got to say I am impressed most by the MD going toe to toe with the Amiga on the music front though, as it put out some great chip tunes when it had talent behind it, but on average the Amiga left it in the dust on that front.

[@shannonbirt9267]

I wouldn't agree with you there on the sound front - had both machines (genesis and amiga 1200) and listened to hundred's of tunes on each machine (this game was an easy win for the genesis - amiga sounds hollow in comparison) - genesis is my preference although i love the amiga sound still , if your talking about sample quality then yes the amiga had clearer sample playback in games - it has 4 pcm channels after all and the genesis has 1 - it also could devote more memory to the samples (hence higher quality) as the storage medium was way cheaper on the Amiga eg the game came on floppy disks rather than expensive carts this is likely one of the main reasons for clearer samples. So the amiga could play more concurrent samples in higher quality often . However it had 4 channels only and thats a big limitation - many games were either sound effects or music but not both because of this. The genesis has 6 FM channels (1 channel could play samples ) and 4 PSG channels . Its sound quality was largely dependent on the sound driver , eg how the Z80 was programmed to handle the playback - particularly japanese programmers with FM experience could really make it sing. In the right hands the genesis could sound incredible . Some of the best on Genesis - Thunderforce 4 , Midnight Resistance - Flood of power , Vertyex , Vapor Trail, Gauntlet IV , Master of Monsters, Streets of Rage 1 & 2 , Mega Turrican etc. There are a lot of others . Lookup SavagedRegime on youtube to see what genesis is capable of.

[@meh78336]

@@shannonbirt9267 I take it you didn't read what i wrote, as I said I would have expected the amiga version, as in this game as this is a comment on one game, to have better music, but in this game and referring to only this game, not all games, the MD has the better overall music. My whole comment was about the amiga usually having the way better music but after Turrican 2 having some of the best music on the amiga, I am surprised that the MD managed to beat the amiga in this game especially given its amiga musical heritage. If you think the amiga for this game had better music then you are entitled to your opinion, but as far as I am concerned in this game, again not all the games, in this game the MD sounds a lot better to me.

[@afriend9428]

*SEGA SEGA SEGA* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

[@marior6299]

So T3 and MT are the same game. But MT is visually better than any turrican I have seen.

[@garywho1988]

I think there is no argument that Megadrive is better than Amiga in Graphic and vice versa in sound.

[@bighairydel]

great video

[@ilpojaaskelainen1552]

Sega Megadrive looks a bit better with more colours on the dual playfield ... but ... why was the screen streched? It messes up the pixel ratio!

[@neat3468]

After Turrican 2, Turrican 3 never felt as good, you had that stupid harpoon instead of your awesome 360 gun. Biggest gripe for me though is colors used in the main sprite and the running animation, it's about half the number of frames and also animates way too slow. For something you spend so much time looking at, I can't believe this small issue was never noticed.

[@krysfox5941]

Finally someone who knows and who noticed that!!!!

[@derekwilson8898]

Mega Drive by far is better than Amiga and that was usually the case with Amiga running games at lower frame rates even if graphics weren't as far apart as here

[@DeskoDev]

Normally the two versions would run at the same framerate since they were both designed around 50Hz, they just happened to use the NTSC version here. Still, T3 tends to slow down a lot more on an A500 compared to MT.

[@lassesuurmunne8340]

I grew up playing both. And it really depended on the port. Theme Park if you remember that game, the Amiga version was much closer to the PC version than the Megadrive version. Both systems actually shared the same processor. On the whole I think it was a tie. Amiga also had a lot of 3D graphics games that Megadrive didn’t have. But they felt very similar at times. I’d much prefer playing Lemmings on Amiga since it had a mouse. But then obviously there were tons of games where you’d prefer to have the Megadrive controller and the buttons it had. Although you could plug the Megadrive controller into the Amiga and it worked. But I did much prefer the cartridges on the Megadrive over having to swap discs on the Amiga. But personally the nostalgia is just as strong for me for both. And each had such great games that weren’t on the other system. Even as a kid I felt like they each just had their own strengths and weaknesses. Sound was soo good on Amiga. I have to disagree respectfully to the “Megadrive was usually better”, it really depended on the port. And each had exclusives optimized for each. Both beautiful machines, equals overall to me 🙏

[@paulmagicflute]

@@lassesuurmunne8340 I also had both, and loved both; and agree with your comments entirely. Cannon Fodder was another game on which the Amiga's mouse made it far more enjoyable to play.

[@iXien]

@@lassesuurmunne8340 A very good answer. Can't tell better. With the two systems you can get the best of both world. The important point is to know what game to play on each.

[@lassesuurmunne8340]

@@paulmagicflute Cannon Fodder was another great game, made me remember playing North and South with my dad! So many great games on both machines. I still have a Megadrive thank god, still play it all the time. But I sadly sold my Amiga in the late 90s and I regret that so much to this day. It’s like they covered different food groups 🙏. And I knew about game demos early on because the Amiga magazines came with demos of games. Also games like Monkey Island were great on Amiga. But then Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Streets Of Rage you needed the game pad and they were so good on Megadrive. Those were gems on the Megadrive and I loved the NHL games. Golden Axe actually felt good on both machines and Bonanza Bros. They felt the same. Megadrive had Probotector/Contra and Alisia Dragoon, Sonic. Both had Zool. Amiga had New Zealand Story and a great port of Ikari Warriors. Wish I still had both systems but thank god that I at least have the Megadrive. Can’t live without it or the NES. I hope an Amiga 500 mini comes out one day soon! Sorry for the long message

[@sunnyfrisch]

Amiga wins. Mega Drive/Genesis 512 colour palette, 64 colours simultaneouslly. Amiga 4096 colour palette, 32 colours sim., 64 colours sim. by half brite mode, all 4096 sim. via interlace. Amiga also had great parallax capabilities through blitter chip. They skipped most of the parallax on Turrican 3 to save disk space. Games like Shadow of the Beast (2 Disks):or Lionheart (4 Disks) put Genesis to the dust. Limiting factor was the 4 channel sound chip, which could be beefed to 7 (by Jochen Hippel sound software), plus had better sound quality.

[@sunnyfrisch]

@AleSSAnDrO VeNtUriNi There had been some pretty good games from various European developers at that time, which do not have to hide from Japanese productions. Thalion and Rainbow Arts from Germany, Cinemaware and Psygnosis from Britain, Ubisoft from France, and many more

[@sunnyfrisch]

@AleSSAnDrO VeNtUriNi Nah, many Europe Games were on par with Japanese. Plus you had pretty cool RPGs on Amiga like Ambermoon, or Adventures like It came from the Desert. Also very cool shooters like Apidya, X-Out and Turrican, which easily matched Japanese quality.

[@zendher]

Mega Drive its a beast!!!

[@Ladico1142]

Mega drive imortal.

[@pitstopman]

I think.the same almost..amiga better.sound.like always ❤

[@rushmore3927]

Mega wins this one.... I wish Simulcra was ported to MD.

[@rob4222]

But Amiga as far better music

[@rob4222]

@Benjamin Jagun lol, ok. Not in my opinion. Looks like you have another taste. Perhaps you grow up with the Mega Drive!?

[@Titan-im7op]

🔥🔥🔥💪🎮💙🎧👑🤪💜🟢🤎⚡🔴🟠🟡🟢🔵🟣🟤⚪⚫🟥👑👍🖤

[@MySamurai77]

It's all about removing the last little bits of flicker and slowdown from these mythical games. No Genesis emulator offers reliable sprite limit removal or FPS inc. Amiga emulators do.

[@mikeheinlein3746]

That's not true. Genesis GX Plus does both

[@MySamurai77]

@@mikeheinlein3746 Well yeah i know that now 2 years later with Gens GX on Retroarch. although Mega Turrican doesn't work to good with an overclock, seems to speed up the music.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Those freakin' really bad looking anime-style cutscenes though.

[@Longlostpuss]

The Amiga was 12-BIT around this time right? Somewhere between a NES and a Mega Drive in power. Results here are pretty much what you'd expect really.

[@PrzeszczepiX]

no. Amiga was fully 16-bit

[@Longlostpuss]

@@PrzeszczepiX That's baffling in that case, the Megadrive ports always murdered it, why do you think that is?

[@armorgeddon]

@@Longlostpuss Amiga is about 5 years older and not a machine specifically designed for gaming.

[@Longlostpuss]

@Ray Lane So why did the MegaDrive version of pretty much every port look better than its Amiga counterpart in that case? Something's not adding up is it? There's technically no reason that nearly every single game looked inferior on the Amiga.

[@RAMCARTGAMER]

MD version looks miles ahead.

[@jabarijones7871]

No it doesn't!!

[@Mittens0407]

@@jabarijones7871 It really does.

[@perihelion7445]

Yes the MD version looks better but it's not "miles" ahead. That's quite an exaggeration. One would think you're comparing a Sinclair Spectrum version of a game with an Amiga one with that kind of language.

[@krysfox5941]

Edit: The character and star wheel design of turiccan 3 are horrible, they should have implemented an option on this game where you can choose the original sprite (and original star wheel) from turrican 1 or 2 which was way better than this ridiculous one from turrican 3. And on turrican 3 the sprite has less walk animation steps (less smooth) than the orignal sprite from turrican 1 ans 2. How developers can be stupid to make stupid changes from something in the past which was way better !???

[@DarkbluesEXE25]

Jojo's

[@andersonmarlen77]

Genesis wins

[@normanm3799]

Mega Drive is MEGA BETTER

[@bigfoot5185]

29:36 thats what we call blast processing listing to that Vs 31:00 shiiiit man is that what amega can give Vs 32:14 thats the answer of our beloved megadrive Vs 33:22 amiga fan!!!!! shiit man don't open your mouth shut the fck dud megadrive is killing it shame on us 35:00 amiga try ...no no no oh man no Vs 35:22 genisis megadrive Sega megadrive fan from north africa morocco land of amazigh poeples ♓♓♓♓

[@tofton1977]

Like always, Megadrive sound like shit!

[@felixinoa2182]

ese juego no se figura bien,creo que todas la versiones se ven feas.🤮🤢🤮🤢