Turtle WoW Just COOKED Their BIGGEST PATCH of ALL TIME! | Vanilla Plus | World of Warcraft

[@veknal]

I think the racial changes are enough to cause some drop-off on the horde side of the player base making that faction imbalance even worse. However, from my playthrough on alliance and horde they seem to neglect the horde side in general with updates. Edit: The have dialed back some of the racial nerfs (Oct 21st) Developer Comment: Racials in Vanilla have always been a tricky topic. On one hand, they encourage diversity and avoid homogenization by having races excel in niches through unique traits, this fits Vanilla flavor perfectly. On the other hand however it is common knowledge that the Horde has always had the upper hand when it comes to combat racials, ***especially in PvP***. Our changes to these Racials sought to remedy this issue by keeping Racials unique and flavorful to their race while evening out the power of the outliers. That being said, after extensive discussions and player feedback we realize that some Racials were hit too hard while others got a little less love than they deserve. Will of the Forsaken: Duration reduced from 5 to 3 seconds. Cooldown increased from 2 minutes to 2.5 minutes. Can now be used while under crowd control to break out as before. (Note the patch notes claim the duration is reduced from 4 to 3 seconds this is incorrect as the initial nerf was 5-4 seconds with it being unusable while CCed Vengeance: Now only affects non-player Humanoids. (2% damage nerf in PVP only for undead) Blood Fury: Attack Power bonus increased from 100% of your level to 200% of your level, no longer part of the global cooldown. (Hardness is no longer 25% Stun resistance and is now replaced with 15% stun duration reduction [more consistent however significantly worse but warranted]) Shadowmeld: Cooldown reduced from 3 minutes to 1 minute. War Stomp: Duration increased from 1.5 to 2 seconds, cooldown increased from 2 minutes to 2.5 minutes. Exit Strategy: No longer slows the user after sprinting. Overall, still a massive L to ya horde players.

[@nolger6907]

agreed specifically with how much stuff they gave to paladin and how few new spells shaman got that being said quests and new areas are fairly even with the majority being Neutral ones

[@joezar33]

@@veknal it's foolish to mess around, and Nerf Horde pvp racial . What makes the Horde interesting. This is coming from an alliance player on Turtle. Smh 🤦

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

but alliance racials are sooo weak, for example both elves are worthless, especially in pvp, and no one bats an eye

[@kgeranios1]

@@jimmyhopkins4095 Night Elf was already a better Druid, more Druids means better chances to win WSG, the new racial changes mean they are now better 120% of the time than Tauren rather than 90%. High Elf got gigabuffed too. It's the combination of almost pure Alliance megabuffs (besides Gnome as the sacrificial lamb) and almost pure Horde meganerfs (besides Goblin but their sprint would still be garbaggio if its cooldown was 10 seconds because it's a self-pacify with a self-snare at the end)

[@veknal]

@@jimmyhopkins4095 I agree with how the Elf racial were previously (Especially the change to night elf) however the solution should not be to completely dumpster other racial traits.

[@CapOfXav]

Prot Paladins also get reckoning on blocked attacks, rather than when they get crit, which is huge

[@GrubbsGrady56]

Finally!!

[@amarjamakovic1297]

Nah, at 5 points you get 20% chance to retaliate.

[@imRhynac]

"troll has always been sleeper cuz nobody wants to play troll" *sad troll noises*

[@Yue_Jin]

Meanwhile when i played twow our entire guild were trolls.

[@Tom805]

Troll bis race in classic. Haste, regen, bow, beast dmg.. they da best mon! Orc close 2nd

[@rikuumiu]

all true mage gamers played troll

[@notKevinFeige]

@@imRhynac Sad Taz'dingo mon

[@dawidopiowski2275]

​​@@rikuumiu troll is best race for mage on horde?

[@Wodferd]

Can't wait to see Night Elf Warriors with speed enchanted boots chasing after people in BGs with polearms lol.

[@blastermaster5039]

@@Wodferd I actually want to see how far Tauren arms warriors can reach with Polearm

[@Relexx1336x3]

McDooooble coming in clutch with the TWow video, let's go man.

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Btw the said they posted this early to get feedback, in fact they have already adjusted multiple things.

[@RetMagnetik]

LETS GOOOO MCDUBS TALKING ABT CLASS CHANGES 2 VERY CUROUS TO SEE YOUR OPINIONS :)

[@KhannUurrr]

Warrior Arms getting 600 armor pen with 2h hammers is something im super excited about (instead of chance to stun). Its like having around 1.5 extra sunder armors at lv 60

[@spuzvaaa7550]

but what when we alrdy put max arm reduction on bos...

[@Darkstorm299]

I remember playing with you a couple years back when you played on your warlock as I played my hunter doing a couple of that one custom burning steppes dungeon (forgot what it was called), I originally wanted to play my hunter as melee but the playstyle wasn't quite fleshed out yet even though there were a couple things added at the time. I'm kinda looking forward to trying it out.

[@georgeofkunstatandpodebrad8147]

I wonder why are they removing shadow and arcane resistances? Vengeance is kind of OP in comparison to gnomes' new racial. There aren't that many mechanical mobs. I don't really play horde but that's too much nerf.

[@kuwe4652]

I think polearm will become THE leveling weapon for warrior with the new talent. Out ranging enemies + hamstring should come down to (next to) no downtime.

[@realmrkou]

@@kuwe4652 they should of added staves to it. Monk build

[@Darkstorm299]

Only problem (least with vanilla with no itemization changes, not sure how many were added) is there's a lack of polearms while leveling, mostly BoE and only good polearm for leveling is at 51 for doing AV. I see potential in it though

[@abwesend182]

@@Darkstorm299 its turtle wow, next patch on timeline is a rework / addition to old dungeons with rehaul of all items there

[@Darkstorm299]

@@abwesend182 Not saying they didn't because admittedly I don't remember every detail added in that server, it's been a while. Just thinking how niche it actually sounds if there isn't enough variety for that weapon type. I'll likely play a warrior when these go live since the changes look interesting. Edit: Me being a dummy I realized what you meant, another patch after the class changes to add or change items in old dungeons :P

[@jamesbaggett3655]

There are some good ones the stats are the only issue.

[@bigbenhgy]

I don't understand the orc changes, if blood fury gives attack power and spell power as much as your level, that's pretty good spell power, but pretty awful attack power, making orcs better casters than warriors lol

[@Shokisan1]

Yeah the orc nerf is horrible and destroys orc warrior. Overall huge nerfs to Horde. Apparently they already backtracked on some of these questionable changes. For example I think will of the forsaken is castable in combat again.

[@МиланПиперски]

Now it gives 200% ap, they changed it

[@Shokisan1]

@@МиланПиперски yes much better, I think hardiness was still nerfed too much tho. I don't want them to homogenize the races, I like how they're all different and unbalanced.

[@МиланПиперски]

@@Shokisan1 as an ally rogue i can say u that stunning an orc warrior was always a mistake, in total they get almost 50% resist. Flat reduction is easier to balance.

[@Shokisan1]

@МиланПиперски yeah but it's part of the rock paper scissors of the game, obviously a dagger going into a massive green orc with plate armor won't do as much.

[@CatholicJedi]

McDoubles T-Wow video = an hour of my day gone

[@abwesend182]

for the Tauren Warstomp part: Turtle WoW has Nampower addon to not care about latency (its actively under development ) For the nerf - thats the only one I dont understand. 2 sec often are pretty close for a cast, 1,5 sec youll never get a cast out. Its just a kick now :/

[@Avo7977]

How do we integrate the Nampower addon for latency?

[@_selenske_5787]

​@@Avo7977you download it

[@abwesend182]

Sry but you need to figure it out yourself. Yt deletes my comment with explanation. Dunno what oft the many words it detected too be so bad that it needs to be deleted...

[@rynbts]

They've already updated this; Warstomp stuns for 2 sec with a 2.5 min cooldown.

[@goldeneye9859]

I deleted my characters off turtle wow a few years ago and I am getting the itch again so I might come back this weekend if I can get a few minutes to set everything up and play. You got a respect what they did on the server. Did I hear you right they now have a proper blood elf starting zone? That intrigues me more than anything because that old starting zone was bad it’s why I never made a blood elf.

[@808Joshh]

Yup! It’s amazing too! It’s in far north Eastern Kingdoms. The goblins start on and island right off the coast of Durotar too. Idk if they have always been there or what though…

[@Shokisan1]

There has been over 9000 changes since this video was posted 3 weeks ago.

[@Deepstinkt]

That ruins nightelves, nightelf had the unique ability to evade vision, which in the days of addons doing the targeting for you is even more impactful giving them unique approaches to WPvP, that is now gone.

[@Freedom-of-speech4]

Any new pvp updates with the patch?

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

Last Sunday [11:30 PM -> 2:30 AM, in VIETNAM ] when I played there were more than 6,000 people online on tWow The best part of Twow is the leveling experience, the new changes wont take away that experience, you still won't be able to pull 3->4 mobs at the same time, mobs will still kick your ass if you don't play carefully . I hope all the haters find new sever to play .

[@dannyp9210]

Huh? We got PvE buffs across the board; of course that will make the leveling easier when they haven't buffed or given new abilities to mobs. That makes the leveling experience more shit imo, as Ihe world should be somewhat dangerous.

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

@@dannyp9210 just make the mobs hit harder

[@draccuzhc7113]

Really would have love to see a ranged rogue, but Support rogue is really awesome too! Probably going melee Hunter, I love it in SoM will give it a try in Twow. Also love to see Disc Dps!!! Shamis, as always a fan favorite, I hope ele wont get oom to fast. Really dont know what I am more hyped about Ascensions classic server or Twow updates.

[@Baltux]

you keep mentioning links in the description, but I am unable to find any that are related to these patch notes.

[@TheStormMage]

Link to the talent calculator?

[@Sol4rFl4r3]

Thanks for this video! I was actually going to reinstall Turtle WoW and so I'm downloading it right now. I'm a noob but loving it. Also can't wait for the Christmas time event. I recall last year it was fun.

[@bjchez]

Dang the war stomp one suuuuuucks. It's bad enough as is at 2 sec. With the lag you won't even have a global to do take advantage of the stun.

[@Vyn_HK]

They rolled it back. It’s a 2 second stun again

[@lukebargodao]

Loved that character health bar, what addon is that?

[@Massie_]

Spirit Troll Warriors eating good this patch

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Eating bbq dwarf and gnome.

[@pheagonthegamer89]

Beast Mastery is getting a lot more powerful, it is getting a lot of scaling from the hunter stats to our pet, it is gonna be a nightmare in PvP to play against lol

[@gaburierusan8179]

Damn they went lazy with the Ret Pala talents

[@GrubbsGrady56]

Yeah :(

[@MartinX192]

I quit the PvP server. Literally lvl 10s running RFC 24/7 and no one else running anything

[@kyleswrath]

What do you mean? And the pvp server is legit pvp server?

[@xeronylloyd21]

To all the “I left the server” chads. Two people who were waiting for the Class changes to finally happen will take each of your place, so no value was lost. You will also be back in 2 weeks.

[@tylerk9455]

I can 100% guarantee these are the same people who make life living hell for someone at a drive through over trivial shit, but refuse to leave until they see the manager which results in holding everyone up for 10 minutes until they get their big Mac remade without pickles on it.

[@joezar33]

4th talent tree Class/Racial , Orc Warrior Blade Master , Scarlet Crusader Human Paladin, Troll Shaman Witch Doctor , Undead Rogue Apothecary etc. Wtf? smh, why turtle hasn't thought of a unique idea like that ? Instead of here, you go nerfs on 1 faction enjoy lol

[@_selenske_5787]

​@@joezar33not really

[@smik2518]

Subbed to Blizz servers already and deleted twow… not going back 100%… But you are right - these changes will definitely drive as much new players if not more to the server than those who are unhappy with this patch and have left. A lot of people wanted for the game to change… I am one of those who enjoyed the server to still be relatively close to vanilla and now there’s very little of it remaining, so there’s no better choice than go to classic for us… Btw I know much more people who wanted for things to stay the same or similar than those who wanted this kind of changes

[@americanvirtues]

I second this, I am going to be playing and bringing friends

[@Андрей-ы3ж9б]

Surv Hunter upgrades! ♥️ It's good that I already have a HoJ.

[@Theokondak]

Lots of the changes mentioned in this video have been updated already

[@miklosveber]

They are also porting this all to Unreal Engine 5 btw, it will come out next year

[@NazzyDragon]

It's quite impossible. You are taking a hail mary with Will of the Forsaken Me, a druid, abolish poison predicting blinds regularly: am I a joke to you?

[@fredie6197]

But you don't have cd, but they added back WOF to normal

[@Grimgariano]

Hi! Imma be starting on Turtle WoW and I'm basically a complete noob. Where can I find good info on builds and how to play the game? I think i'll be playing Warlock or Druid.

[@rypli8309]

What addon are u using for quests in high elf zone?

[@TheGrego011]

these were kinda harsh imo, but after they tweaked some of these changes, they look even better, the Twow team does a pretty good job of listening to feedback.

[@besmen42]

love the turtle wow coverage, but when the whole video is just reading a forum post, especially when you say that you're gonna link the post in the description @4:10, then you should really post the link in the description. :D

[@JediFrog]

Hunters get 100% attack power from agility? That means they get 1 ap from str and 2 from agi?!?! Highest attack power spec in the game?!?!

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Unless twow changed it hunters get 2ap from str.

[@JediFrog]

@@jamesbaggett3655 No, hunters have always gained 1ap from str and 1ap from agi

[@nathancasey7712]

Don't ferals get more or did they change it?

[@JediFrog]

@nathancasey7712 Druids get 1 ap from str, 2 from str in bear, and 1 from str 1 from agi in cat.

[@nathancasey7712]

@JediFrog nerfed

[@smitty78749]

the writing impeccable? one of the npc by the fountain said there was a world tree before the great well

[@kyogery8927]

I heard theres a melee hunter spec but I also heard it really sucks. If it is viable, I would love to take a look at this. This was over a year ago though

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Wasn't really a spec...they currently have aspect of the wolf that makes you a bit melee.

[@bigpoints101]

Hunter scaling is also changing, I wish traps in combat was a little higher on the tree so you could use them earlier in leveling, but this should feel closer to a proper rotation that in the past.

[@Solaris502]

as someone who has dabbled on private servers but is mostly a Retail/classic player its fun to see what the private servers are doing. i, like many of my kind, played an undead rogue back in vanilla. Assassination was my spec of choice and i really dont like the envemon they went with. Now i dont know what other changes they have made to the class in general but if buff and poisons work like they originally did then that is a wasted talent. Is there still a debuff limit? if so rogues dont get to use poisons. Do poisons still have charges? if so this just means you will need to stop dpsing and apply poisons more often durning the fight, and thats no fun. There is no damage element to it, so does the 25% extra damage and the extra down time to reapply poisons come out to the damage increase over just evis? prolly not especially with a lot of late game mobs being immune to poison? thats also something else you now have to manage on top of slice and dice again cutting into thruput with finishers. not a good choice if you ask me. but then again im not all that informed on the other elsement of this version of the game.

[@_selenske_5787]

I'm pretty sure twow increased the debuff limit or maybe removed it from what I've seen long time players talk about.

[@rynbts]

Debuff limit is increased, there's a talent that gives you a chance to not lose charges on poison, some poisons iirc are duration based instead of charges, and rogues are getting a new corrosive poison that works on mobs immune to normal poisons.

[@MrRicky175]

The Twow simps glazers and bootlickers out in full force

[@kingdavey90]

36:00 Spirit Link (as of the day I'm posting this) is still a Tauren Racial, BUT it consumes a Talent Point at the moment. Hopefully they change that, because orcs don't need talent point for their wolves.

[@soulreaper8883]

I'm a bit of a graphic snob so I don't like the idea of playing turtle wow, but I'd love to see that level of attention to detail and care given to the custom story/questing I hope to see in CoA in the future. The game itself is looking great, I'd just love to see it gain it's own identity through custom zones, quests and above all stories. Imo Retail fell off a damn high cliff from BFA and shadowlands, so I haven't been keen on playing retail again cause those wounds are deep for me. I'd love CoA or any custom server to be that story path the game could have taken. There are some great ideas in Retail story that aren't fleshed out well and I think it's cause the grand narrative needs to be done in one expansion for them, when you have the perfect chance to split that story into smaller chunks so we can learn to love the new area and lore you crafted, but instead you bulldoze through it all and leave us with shallow game systems to complain about, when a good narrative would make all of that much more barrable. I specifically look at shadowlands as a good example of this. we could have had an expansion per shadowlands faction, participate in their struggle to keep their part of the afterlife going, all the while hearing more and more about this looming threat that's sapping the islands power, finally on the 5th expansion we meet the jailor, a mastermind that has been pulling the strings since before the first war, all in his quest to re-forge the world in his image, causing untold suffering in his pursuit. You could have made shadowlands great, you coulda had a real story there people cared about, with a Litchking call back that worked. instead we have Zoval, a bad guy so dumb we don't even use him for memes. I hope for a private server that can correct these kinds of mistakes, that can make a story that goes hard in and of itself instead of relying on sick cinematics to carry the hype train.

[@jamesbaggett3655]

So you didn't see the optional unreal engine 5 client you can use coming in 2025?

[@soulreaper8883]

@@jamesbaggett3655 Not at all. I might have missed it in the video, but in general, all I know of private servers outside of ascension is what mcdoubles covers haha. I was only half listening for some of the video, so i probably missed that part. I'll be sure to give it a propper try once that update is out.

[@808Joshh]

I hate the graphics on the modern wow. Classic wow graphics are the best

[@hristislavbg]

Whenever I login, the lowest number of players I've seen is around 4200. Peak EU time is like 5300 atm.

[@marcosgavazza384]

where can i find the link for this changes?

[@_selenske_5787]

Go to the twow page in the forums click announcements

[@jamesbaggett3655]

I think youtube deleted the links i posted lol....

[@holski77]

The two hander specialization requirements to spec into master of arms is a mistake. There are plenty of 1h and two hand builds that could benefit from master of arms, without having to sink so many points into 2H specialization which in my POV is overvalued.

[@rynbts]

Master at Arms is intended to be used with 2handers exclusively. The talent as it's written now states that it only effects 2 handers anyway, it has no effect on 1h weapons. In other words; if you're doing 1h arms, you simply ignore both talents.

[@leonardomotta1023]

What is the name of the addon he's using for his character portrait and life/mana bars?

[@Luks1609]

Best class for rogue with new change? For world PvP bg and Raid? Thanks in advance

[@Joao42359]

Can you share your addons? Really liked your UI

[@uvveshlurvvesh6515]

Goblin Iro looks so good 😂

[@ThePeachgaming]

Can you save ascension COA please? They’re fucking it up

[@Molhedim]

how so?

[@thorbeorn4295]

How your questie show the costom quests?

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

pfQuest + pfQuest-Turtle addon

[@joezar33]

​@@hrosofkenterprise9768that shows quest on the maps..? I got the A.I. voice-over , which is a gwad send .

[@0ne0fmany]

I just started playing this week. Had a lot of fun with a Tauren Warrior. I'm a bit sad to see these class changes. I wanted a classic experience with minor tweaks. But now they are dropping this massive overhaul. And it's changing the game too much. Doing stuff like Rend scaling with attack power is a good change that makes sense, without completely changing the class. But that 6s CD on Execute and Hamstring, not to mention the War stomp nerf. Yikes :S EDIT: If I wanted to play custom, I would've gone to Ascension.

[@ThePalo48]

This is classic plus, it's going to have changes. If you want no changes, era is there. I think there's some other vanilla private servers. But I would like raids not being made up of 60% warriors and rogues, along with everyone else who enjoys classic wow.

[@jonas44807]

Turtle wow is popping off for good

[@snakekeeper2073]

"Our philosophy has always been focusing on enhancing and polishing the existing identity of classes and specializations, rather than reworking or replacing them entirely. As fun as some more wacky concepts may be, we want to keep true to the identity of vanilla classes. This means smaller and less drastic changes overall, which should culminate in a healthy meta allowing each class and specialization to shine in their own way." *Yeah so much for that*

[@apblolol]

Tauren still have nature resist right? they remove resist from everyone but tauren?

[@tempest148]

is it worth starting turtle wow now or to just wait for the patch?

[@_selenske_5787]

The patch isn't going to change much for a newcomer, go ahead and start playing

[@jamesbaggett3655]

I agree with this, bout the only thing to mention is once the patch comes out you may need to respec.

[@rynbts]

You'll have to respec when update comes out, and depending on which class you go with, you may have to re-learn a lot of it. Some classes are changing a good bit more than others.

[@Enger1]

just remove the racials dont just gut them also most of these changes just look like... ass just change for the sake of change.

[@BrianShaw-f3u]

Trying to keep up with ascension i see 😂

[@ericsilva7430]

What is the xp rate?

[@808Joshh]

Normal. But you can get something called “Warmode” makes you flagged 24/7 but gives you 20% xp boost.

[@seriouSamx]

Genuinely curious, is turtle wow very popular? I tried it a few months back and saw maybe 1 or 2 people while leveling. I’d love to play but it felt very empty at the time I tried it.

[@Molhedim]

if you want populated servers, go warmane, i play on lordaeron.

[@DavidPachón8591]

Tel'Abim is long dead, give it a try to the RP realm.

[@dannyp9210]

Up to 6k currently on the main server (Nordanaar), very lively in the starting zones especially.

[@turdeemi]

@@DavidPachón8591 So PVP server is dead? Damn, wanted to give classic another shot because of world PVP

[@DavidPachón8591]

@@turdeemi you can go warmode in Nordanaar if you want, i'm currently leveling my first character with it.

[@bacontv9423]

Arcane mage seems like they gonna minigun ur face with acrance missiles now haha

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

time to get back to turtle wow I guess

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

The biggest takeaway for me was how much they're trying to push players to stay in one talent tree, which is just boring. Take Shadow Priest for example: making Wand Spec cost only 2 points sounds cool but now you have to literally waste 3 talent points on stuff that only benefits Holy and Disc spells to move deeper into the tree and eventually get to Improved Power Word Shield, which is now also one row deeper than before. At this point, I'll just take Wand Spec for 2 and dump everything else into Shadow. How exciting.

[@jaredm8991]

because they have added so many talents but we have the same amount of pts

[@alandias4636]

you want to hybridize talents leveling? for almost every class it was a pain full of filler talents with just 1 go to solo leveling. i think its a great trade off.

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Algo for Twow

[@Kagarin05]

11:25 you say this warstomp nerf like TWoW is PvP focused. As much as I wish it had a PvP scene it really doesn't D; Tauren Shaman get a new pvp ability too! So hyped to play Enh and tank shaman

[@Aurexor]

What ally race should i pick for priest in both pvp and pve? I want to be a dps

[@DavidPachón8591]

Dwarf.

[@Makons420]

Thanks McNuggets

[@maapaa2010]

Yea... They overcooked... It

[@wdavec3]

Is the new server they are working on 3.3.5? I love turtle but get tired of the limitations of 1.12

[@doriangray7129]

Does this changes live?

[@Preacher_.]

3:48 Preach!

[@alpha6080]

W PATCH FR

[@fufu1405]

TWoW is the best WoW experience you can have. It's hard to put into words how magical the game feels.

[@kokorochin01]

Does the cash shop also feel magical ?..........

[@fufu1405]

@@kokorochin01 Cash shop? You mean where they sell mounts, pets, race changes, name changes, bigger bags, portable repair bots??? That cash shop? How exactly do you expect a private server to function? Did you forget how many ''pUrE'' vanilla private servers ended up imploding due to corruption? Warmane has a cash shop that sells actual gear, yes ACTUAL GEAR, you can buy epics and legendaries in the cash shop. Turtle doesn't have any of that! The cash shop is fantastic and allows the team to actively work on the server.

[@kokorochin01]

@@fufu1405 Buying bags, mounts, instant repair, AH, bank, respec bot.. All that isn't right. How I expect them to function ? Monthly sub fee, or donations, or mix of both. Regardless, never gonna play on a crossfaction server, that's just not WoW.

[@fufu1405]

@@kokorochin01 Enjoy playing soulless offical servers then, where the whole playerbase is toxic and there is no love left in the game. FYI: The mounts you buy are mounts that are unobtainable. You can't buy mounts that drop...

[@fizzler8295]

The class changes prove that they have no clue what they are doing.

[@sinnshii3285]

When does the update drop?

[@808Joshh]

November 1st

[@Dr.Dogo95]

Horde = not trash. Horde = TURBO TRASH. I will reroll alliance with all my friends after we saw the changes. 2% increase damage but not vs players, dude...F OFF! After the nerf on the will of the foraseke?! F off! Also as a rogue, i really liked using premeditation and AP talent. Dude...this kinda suks, im really trying to get exited and happy but this kinda suks tbh

[@IceGeck0]

They jsut nerfed the shit out of a bunch of stuff. The only fun healing priests got to have in dungeons was holy nova and its now useless as it causes full threat from the dmg AND healing, just killing the priest. They nerfed high elf meditation to only return half the mana it did before, barely enough for ONE spell. No idea what they did to other classes but the vast majority are screaming about it. World is 6 years old with a completely ruined economy and no place for new players, and they do this. Pop is up a bit as it always is while ppl check out a new patch, but Im sure this will cost them players. Considering charging back my donations. What a joke of a cash grab server, not made for the love of the game at all.

[@MrJaberrell]

Considered switching to turtle from wow classic. Came here to learn what it's about. I made it to the racial changes, I'm out. Have fun y'all!

[@Hahandledle]

Thanks man

[@dragovire4654]

another twow series inc ?? pog ?

[@4AR0N030]

Can you Tell me you UI Addon Whats Looks Like from Dragonflight? And nameplate pls

[@Molhedim]

they cooked so hard, they made me quit the server.

[@Nu_C-Jay]

Hahaha exactly it’s all about the shop now!

[@leverflick]

Its okay i hope you had fun while you liked it, you cant please everyone so i hope you find something else you enjoy :)

[@joezar33]

Are they really nerfing the Horde Racial..? I play ally, but that would be utter BS , if they mess with Horde PvP racial ability. 1 of the benefits of being a Horde , make pvp more challenging on the Alliance side .

[@PaulettoSnow]

sucks to suck

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

Hope u find new sever to play

[@beausweatman9623]

Tsk, yet queue times are a damn drag. Seems high time for PVP community to find a new home.

[@philaltmann6252]

Take another look at BM hunter

[@KunoichiPeri]

...the reactions to these changes....has thus far been overwhelmingly negative....folks hate these changes...i havent seen anything this bad since Blizzard put out BFA Expansion!

[@SkolzLiving]

But retail finally made a good expansion why would you play private servers when retail is in a good place?

[@kokorochin01]

Funniest comment of 2024. Well done.

[@SkolzLiving]

@kokorochin01 can't afford sub? Haven't experienced the game? Hmm

[@kokorochin01]

@@SkolzLiving Retail is absolute trash, a monstrosity of a game and the antithesis of Vanilla ; when it comes to core game design pillars and philosophies. No way in hell. People playing retail are simply dumb.

[@macmac6064]

spirit gear fury troll confirmed

[@marruekoskazkaccy-ko1ej]

😎💯👍💪 Nice wow turtle Rulez 🎉

[@Dogjokic]

the resist thing is a big bs too cuz if u take it away from an orc overall take it from priests too then as a rogue u taken away my palying around resist gameplay element and its not fun decreasing the diff in skillcap im pretty sure next they gona buff paladins hoj duration from 6 to 8 second... devs dont have to mutch common sense

[@Yue_Jin]

Not surprised the dev team would nerf horde racials, they all play alli, as evidenced by how unbalanced AV is (unless they fixed it). Horde had no backdoor into alli base, alli had a backdoor into horde base, alli always had a huge advantage and refused to play any other bg, forcing horde to queue AV or no bgs.

[@jeremyts9032]

Lol

[@bigsmerf8158]

Mald harder (seriously though what the fuck are they nerfing berserking for. No one asked for that shit.)

[@antonkokic]

now turtle needs fresh with this changes :P

[@Subxenox15]

I didn't hear the first ~8 seconds of your video where you said it's NOT OUT YET, and I spent the last 2 days downloading it getting addons and my interface all perfect and leveled up a new Mage only to realize...Well yeah, it's not out yet....And there's no ETA...Could be a week, could be 6 months.

[@fredie6197]

They said this month, but removed that part from discord post. So yeah can be this month or in a year

[@Chordgaille]

Why would you play the new mage when all they did was gut it lol. Arcane tree is still a dead tree

[@Subxenox15]

@@Chordgaille The arcane changes look sick? Arcane Missiles is going to be insane single target.

[@ditonejt3250]

Alot of changes and alot of them are bad pl will quit

[@spiderversestyle]

WIN For us Moonkins! :D

[@Itsjumbomuffin]

if blizz would take only a fraction of this shit we'd live in a better care free world.

[@grizl123]

new player, started yesterday, do we know when patch hits? these are some amazing changes

[@jamesbaggett3655]

This has been out for a few days, the plan is the end of the month so i suppose it could spill over to the first few weeks of November 🤷‍♀️

[@Rekinado]

only a pvp server gives real immersion in the game, if you don't just want to spam dungeons, you enjoy world pvp, occasional pvp, adventures, meeting enemies in SV, fighting for territories, feel the progression of character development, you have to choose a pvp server. I have several characters on a pve server, and the pleasure of playing on telabim is incomparably greater. the pve server is boring, soulless, shallow, and all you can do is spam dungeons, which doesn't really translate into anything, because you don't feel your character's progression, because you just stand in the city and go to dungeons. the whole world is alive on the pvp server, and hc player's caravans are simply world champions!! only telabim.

[@markbenjamin2152]

What happened to the WORS server and the discord is closed down????